What is amazing to me is those flight attendants went from sitting in their seats expecting a totally normal landing to assessing doors to evacuate and yelling commands to the passengers, in just seconds! Great training!
@AmeriFanPicker
8 ай бұрын
Yeah I thought the same
@Djmc_2002
8 ай бұрын
Truly amazing!
@carriestuart9921
8 ай бұрын
What you guys aren't aware of is that before every take off and every landing, we are doing a silent review. That is a mental rehearsal of what we need to do in case an "oh shit" moment happens. We do it EVERY single take off and landing. That's WHY the back end crew was ready and did a superb job of evacuating everybody through only the correct available emergency exits. Text book evacuation. They were excellent. They'll be using that in classroom instruction for flight attendants on initial training and annual requalification training sessions.
@HweolRidda
8 ай бұрын
@@AmeriFanPickerPresumably a plane with relatively few Americans. Not most, but a significant fraction of American passengers would be ignoring instructions AND trying to gather as many personal belongings as possible.
@willnelson5692
8 ай бұрын
I fly a bit, and it really torques me how, often, FA's are poorly treated by overly entitled passengers. FA's need to be respected and obeyed as the necessary/required crew members that they are. We are not on a joy ride people! Well, not primarily anyway.
@peterclancy3653
8 ай бұрын
I take my hat off to the cabin crew. A lot of people don’t understand the importance of these people and how critical they are to the survival of passengers in incidence like this. This is why I think any type of abuse of these crew members should be dealt with the severest penalties.
@dantreadwell7421
8 ай бұрын
On general principle, I agree. Any job dealing with customers, people shouldn't have to put up with the crap some customers give. Double so when that person's secondary job is to try and save your dumb butt if everything goes wrong.
@robertl955
8 ай бұрын
calm down 🤣
@numberLuan
8 ай бұрын
The people escaped death as a natural instinct. They saw an exit and ran no flight attendants were involved. Just escape fast thanks to the design of the aircraft.
@808INFantry11X
8 ай бұрын
@@numberLuanyeah thats not how that works. The doors only the crew understand how to open them in a timely basis especially when seconds count. So yes the flight attendants aren't there for show they are for your safety as well as everybody else in evacuation their job is make sure not only the exits are operable but your exiting out the right way. Just like in this case they quickly assessed where the right exits are albecause you still operational engines turning so they chose the exits smartly where it would not be in front of the engine all that stuff matter in life and death and that's what they train for that's their real job.
@NoelleTakestheSky
8 ай бұрын
I was reading a Reddit post a couple days ago that had a lot of people expressing their shock that flight attendants were responsible for more than drink and snacks.
@nigelclinning2448
8 ай бұрын
The airframe withstood a major impact and, although on fire, maintained cabin integrity long enough to get every one off. Hats off to the crew and Airbus. Condolences to those CG members killed in the line of duty.
@One_Shot_Garage
8 ай бұрын
I believe this is the first major incident of its kind involving a widebody composite airliner. It really says a lot about how tough that fuselage construction is. I feel a traditional aluminum fuselage would not have fared so well and may have broken apart on impact. An absolute tragedy, but could have been so much worse.
@Takyodor2
8 ай бұрын
@@One_Shot_Garage If this was the first crash of this type of aircraft, then the engineers deserve even more respect for designing something that kept all people on board alive!
@jonahtaivalkoski322
8 ай бұрын
@@One_Shot_Garage it will be interesting to learn which parts of the aircraft collided. if only the engines and landing gear had hit the other aircraft, it may have been little worse than a gear up landing.
@anneleonard739
8 ай бұрын
What a testament to engineering and proper training...
@roscored1000
8 ай бұрын
reading a few articles, there is the case for the CG plane being full of fuel, in the wings i think, so not a good place to have a 300 ton aircraft fall on you. sadly@@jonahtaivalkoski322
@psmirage8584
8 ай бұрын
Blancolirio is hands-down my first go-to page for comprehensive, unbiased, and excellent reporting on any aircraft incidents or crashes. I love the fact I can always count on this page for the best possible reporting of aviation tragedies.
@charlestoast4051
8 ай бұрын
I avoided watching any MSM coverage of this accident, knowing it would be sensationalist and flat out wrong. I did watch some Japanese channels, including one that gives a live view of the wreckage. Wonder how they will clean it up and how long they'll have to wait for any initial inspection and investigation to be completed?
@jamesturner2126
8 ай бұрын
He's wayyyyy better than NTSB reports.
@spiritmatter1553
8 ай бұрын
Agree with OP!
@LT1SWAPCOM
8 ай бұрын
@@charlestoast4051 tried to find info today on MSM, only to find some professor from halfway around the world giving his opinion on what happened.
@erickborling1302
8 ай бұрын
Yes Mr. Brown's accident briefs are exACTLy what you'd be doing in pilot training ground school. Professional all the way.
@gulfcoastaero8048
8 ай бұрын
As an airline pilot who used to fly in and out of Japan all the time. The Japanese passengers listen and take there safety briefing very seriously. Also one thing I noticed is that the don’t take a lot of carry open baggage. Everything is checked. I am sure this played a factor in getting off the plane. In the U.S. I see people during an emergency evacuation still holding their carry on bags. It is amazing more people were not injured. Also one other thing. I flew with some of the best Japanese flight attendants in the industry. They were always 100% on their game and very professional. I will never forget them.
@matzmn
8 ай бұрын
You are right. There is another factor as well. Japanese are not overweight like most Americans. They can be evacuted faster.
@drewdorkhead
8 ай бұрын
@@matzmnWhile that's correct, they also have a much older population, which might negate this. I think their societal outlook about caring for/respecting others might have something to do with it too.
@tbm3fan913
8 ай бұрын
I flew JAL many times over to the Philippines between 1993-2000 and also some flights on Northwest. I loved JAL. Everything always went so orderly boarding, exiting, and during the flight. Contrast that with Philippine Air last December for my wife's family visit. Day and night.
@donnafromnyc
8 ай бұрын
The passengers undoubtedly largely Japanese as this was an domestic flight followed directions and did not panic.
@Marsubleu
8 ай бұрын
mmm not sure I agree with the comment on checked luggage... I fly all the time in Japan and people have quite a lot of stuff. But for sure the respect for guidelines is very good and the crews at Japan Airline are very well trained, in general. Still amazing they managed that evacuation with only 3 slides and a full plane...
@InFltSvc
8 ай бұрын
I am a retired Flight Attendant here in the US. This is a perfect example of why it’s absolutely important to pay attention to your pre departure briefing. Know your exit! Know your alternative exit, know how to open the exits and this is VERY IMPORTANT! Leave EVERYTHING! Do not take anything as seconds matter and do not panic … move quickly, listen and stay calm…
@danfarris135
8 ай бұрын
Congrats to the crew of the A 350 for making the best outcome of this really bad event. Deep condolences to the dash 8 victims and their families. ❤❤
@shauny2285
8 ай бұрын
I've read that the passengers helped themselves by NOT grabbing their carry on items while evacuating the airplane.
@scottskinner577
8 ай бұрын
Yeah the guys in the Dash never saw it coming
@mcpr5971
8 ай бұрын
My opinion is that they should make the baggage containers automatically lock in an evacuation. The Japanese are well-behaved but if this happened in any US airliner idiots would be fighting to get their consumerist junk back. @@shauny2285
@oliviarodrigo2025
8 ай бұрын
They are beautiful flight attendant
@n1vg
8 ай бұрын
When people complain about flight attendants not getting their drink order right or whatever, they need to remember that THIS is their job - they got every one of those passengers safely out of a burning aircraft.
@bluetickbeagles116
8 ай бұрын
As a US COast Guard aviator, I send my condolences to the crew, crew members’ families, their home unit and Japanese Coast Guard. 💐😞
@worlds_okayest_pilot_421
8 ай бұрын
What does you being a Coast Guard aviator have to do with anything except bragging? Just send the condolences without the ego trip. Good God.
@j.griffin
8 ай бұрын
@@worlds_okayest_pilot_421 He paid tribute, Comrade to Comrade. Apparently, Honour is something you cannot understand.
@worlds_okayest_pilot_421
8 ай бұрын
@@j.griffin 1) it’s a female. 2) look at her KZitem profile. She brings up the fact that she’s part of a Coast Guard fly crew in literally every comment she leaves. It’s not hard to see, it’s called an ego trip. Has nothing to do with honor? Weird flex
@roch145
8 ай бұрын
@@worlds_okayest_pilot_421So in the middle of a disaster, you seem to think her comment was in bad form? I would say being a Coast Guard aviator can be very risky at times, and there but for the grace of God go I, comes into play. Your comment is beyond pointless.
@amg863
8 ай бұрын
@@worlds_okayest_pilot_421diversity quota hire but she feels like she earned it. Bless her
@juliomanalo7074
8 ай бұрын
I’m an active airline captain. I fly to Haneda Airport twice a month and have been flying there for the past 11 years. In fact I am flying there tonight and again 2 days after. I’ve operated these flights over 200 times. I have this to say, Haneda is a very complex airport and can be very confusing even if one is well prepared. Each time I fly there is always a challenge. The Japanese ATC use ICAO Standard Phraseology but to a native English speaker, their heavy accent makes it very challenging to understand their communications. On top of this, the Japanese ATC have a habit of communicating with native Japanese pilots in Japanese which adds more challenge to situational awareness for monitoring by non Japanese pilots.
@295walk
8 ай бұрын
Is it difficult to see if there is an obstruction once landed ?
@juliomanalo7074
8 ай бұрын
@@295walk in this case yes because the obstruction would have been at least 400 meters ahead and there would have been no time to react even if the crew saw it an impossible to avoid. Too late to execute a go around, not enough distance to stop or avoid.
@295walk
8 ай бұрын
@@juliomanalo7074 wow . What a situation . So too fast or more dangerous to steer off runway if you see the problem. If you have seen it , It's far too late anyway . The pilots must of tried reverse thrust and foot brake? Your a very brave human to fly especially with language difficulties .
@wobblybobengland
8 ай бұрын
Sad about the casualties, dreadful accident. The engineering behind modern aircraft is absolutely phenominal, near four hundred souls walked away from a high speed accident unscathed.
@grayrabbit2211
8 ай бұрын
Reviewing the footage, it was pretty impressive how long the lights stayed on inside the aircraft, even while it was burning.
@recoveringsoul755
8 ай бұрын
Well not completely unscathed. There were some injuries
@SixOThree
8 ай бұрын
Also it was mentioned somewhere that the passengers did not attempt to bring their luggage, which has caused fatalities in other countries. And that this was probably due to cultural reasons.
@aliceakosota797
8 ай бұрын
You mean those metal tubes that erupt into flames the moment they come in contact with the ground? Yeah great feat
@Mr.Volcanoes22
8 ай бұрын
@@aliceakosota797 How does someone come away with this take when thousands of flights happen everyday without incident. What are you smoking?
@carlvanderweyden9527
8 ай бұрын
I'm a retired airline captain and have had the opportunity to fly to both Haneda and Narita airports in Tokyo many times. What was always a challenge for me and my crew was understanding the air traffic controllers. Many conversations had to be repeated before we could fully understand what ATC required of us. This was the case both in the air and on the ground. I have heard the controllers on occasion speak Japanese to the local airlines so it is strange that the Coast Guard airplane, if he was confused with his clearance, did not respond back to ATC. Anyway, the investigators are doing their job and we will have to wait to see exactly why two airplanes were on the runway at the same time. Definitely kudos to the cabin crew of JAL for evacuating that A350 without any casualties!
@skayt35
8 ай бұрын
Another channel showed a radio transscript which contained the Coast Guard aircraft reading back the exact instruction to taxi to holding position. They told that the ATC communication with the aircrafts involved was performed on separate channels. Which might explain the confusion about the communication.
@tomwalsh6774
8 ай бұрын
as a civilian, I find it staggering that Pilots and ATC can actually understand each other over the static/accents/speed of delivery almost at all airports. Listening to the Haneda ATC I could barely understand a word and I think i've got a good grasp on accents
@DERP_Squad
8 ай бұрын
@@tomwalsh6774 The recordings that are available online are usually done from the ground on lower grade equipment than is available on the aircraft and ATC centres. What the pilots and ATC hear is usually much clearer than what is publicly available on platforms like KZitem.
@iclicklike3397
8 ай бұрын
@@DERP_Squad nothing to do with equipment. Japanese controller English pronunciation usually is terrible. Though it is not just controllers, but English teaching in general. It is taught with the Japanese syllables rather than correct pronunciation. Unless you are used to that it is very hard to understand. That is why very often Japanese can understand written English well, but not spoken English. For example Tokyo Sky Tree is just called "tokyo sukai tsuri". I suspect even for a Japanese who learned English in an English speaking country this would be very difficult. Hopefully this accident will force the English teaching to a better standard before something worse happens.
@thud9797
8 ай бұрын
@@skayt35 The transcript shows it all as one but maybe the coast guard airplane was on ground control and then when you get to C5 holding point as instructed he would switch to tower to advise he was there but don't see anything on transcript showing he did that. He also seemed to interpret the holding point C5 as a point on the runway at C5 which is where he stopped, obviously a huge mistake.
@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars
8 ай бұрын
My condolences to the CoastGuard crew, families and friends lost in this tragic event. However, MAJOR respect to the cabin crew! To go from 0 to 150 in a second like that, not only to successfully evacuate the aircraft but avoiding using exits over the still running engine in that situation shows excellent training, and proper use of that training! I seriously hope those crewmembers get some good bonuses. They've truly earned them!
@YankeeWraith
8 ай бұрын
Ever since I saw this on the news this morning I've been waiting for your analysis.
@EricEsser
8 ай бұрын
Me too. Blanc is the go to guy for balanced and informative analysis on all things aviation.
@georgemartin1436
8 ай бұрын
AGREE. No horse$hit here!
@SeanFromTX
8 ай бұрын
Patiently waited all day for this report. Great job as always, Juan.
@flyzfw
8 ай бұрын
Me too.
@demef758
8 ай бұрын
I join the crowd singing the praises of Professor Browne. That he can speak to both professionals and rank amateurs like me is why all of us tune in to his channel.
@CheatOnlyDeath
8 ай бұрын
And acknowledging how quickly and diligently he put this show together. Juan is a treasure and so deserving of patrons who can swing some support for his channel.
@belladonnahigh9206
8 ай бұрын
Damn, USA truck plummeting in a crowd, now this. Already to a great start, aren't you 2024? Now I know what to expect.
@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke
8 ай бұрын
Ditto
@Dutch1954
8 ай бұрын
Married 42 years to a Japanese National, and having family in both Tokyo and Osaka, we've lost count of the number of times we've flown in and out of this field, which unlike Narita International, Haneda offers spectacular views of Tokyo, especially at night. Our connections in Japan are now telling us there is a major concern for the Traffic controller's mental state, that he may feel compelled to harm himself. This a nation that when in the past, when a major disaster struck the nation in the form of a huge earthquake, followed by a tsunami that killed thousands and a destroyed a nuclear power plant, there was no looting in the aftermath. People were both orderly and peaceful and lined up to help the survivors left in a landscape of mass destruction. No one wants another death in this unfathomable situation.
@axmajpayne
8 ай бұрын
Hopefully Japan has a similar support system for controllers that we have here in the US. American controllers are able to receive peer to peer counseling with other controllers who have been specially trained to act as counselors after incidents like this one.
@paulnotdownunder3172
8 ай бұрын
The controller at fault needs support. There cannot be more victims in this accident.
@jerryconnors8663
8 ай бұрын
This is an extremely busy airport at all times of the day. I’m sure the controllers are under stress quite frequently. Hopefully there is a program in place for these professionals!
@uhrbexer9134
8 ай бұрын
That concern might extend as well and even more to the surviving captain of the Dash 8.
@ColinMcNulty
8 ай бұрын
Very likely the air traffic controller AND the pilot of the Dash-8 will be found dead by suicide within the year.
@shawnbell6392
8 ай бұрын
The flight attendants are heroes. The whole crew were amazing and the passengers were brave. Condolences to the coast guard members and their families.
@drexdqueen
8 ай бұрын
We're going to be using this accident for years to study how composites behave in fiery disasters. The five deaths are so awful, and on top of the earthquake this has just been a terrible few days for Japan. But what an incredible job by the crew!! Staggering how almost 400 people got off safely. Thank you for the timely coverage Juan!
@rolandvachon9848
8 ай бұрын
The Dash-8 Q300 is a relatively old but rugged aircraft. I've flown on my share of them in Canada when they were extensively used by Air Canada. There probably won't be a lot of composite material to study in whatever is left of it.
@samuellim1554
8 ай бұрын
I think he was talking about the A350.
@gulfcoastaero8048
8 ай бұрын
Aluminum melts also.
@schmal911
8 ай бұрын
i'd be surprised if there were any revelations about composites from this. from the clips i've seen the firefighting effort largely appeared to stop after people cleared out, so the fact the fuselage was gone after several hours isn't surprising
@WhiteHawk77
8 ай бұрын
@@rolandvachon9848he’s not talking about the dash 8.
@wordsmithgmxch
8 ай бұрын
The cabin crew are the heroes, particularly as the PA system packed up, leaving them with bullhorns and live voice to establish and maintain communications! But let's give a bit of credit, at least, to the aircraft manufacturers and the regulators who gave us aircraft that made their heroic performance possible. Working at Airbus through the '90's in a non-technical role, I was impressed by the amount of thought, research and money that was put into cabin safety / survivability (e.g. flame-resistant, non-gassing materials). And Juan, you praise the decision not to extend escape slides on the burning side of the A/C. Early escape doors DID NOT HAVE a viewing port for checking outside before opening the door. NOW THEY DO! Simple, no-brainer idea -- but someone had to think of it.
@vbscript2
8 ай бұрын
As an engineer, the need for the viewing port is definitely obvious, but designing those in isn't nearly as simple as it might seem. Punching holes in the exit door requires a pretty significant amount of strengthening around that window to maintain the structural integrity of the door. (On a pressurized aircraft. On an unpressurized one, it's no big deal.) That door would have 3 pounds of force *per square inch* (200 grams per square centimeter) trying to blow it out even under normal circumstances during cruise. Agreed that an incredible amount of engineering goes into designing modern airliners for survivability, though. And, undoubtedly, this tragic accident will contribute quite a bit to understanding those concerns in composite aircraft and making them even more safe in the future. This accident as well as the Asiana 777 crash at SFO almost 10 years ago demonstrate just how excellent Airbus and Boeing are at designing survivable aircraft. In the Asiana case, they literally flew the plane's tail into the seawall and still the only fatalities were someone who was struck by an exit door that was ripped off as the tail impacted the seawall and 2 passengers who were tragically not wearing their seatbelts during landing and, as a result, were ejected during the impact. The passengers sitting right beside them were fine and there was minimal damage to their seats. Everyone else safely evacuated the aircraft.
@Mute_Nostril_Agony
8 ай бұрын
20 years ago my secretary was former BA cabin staff. She is Japanese and usually olive and quite. Her party trick at office parties or informal drinks was to show how she was trained to flip instantly between polite and docile stewardess speaking politely and quietly to becoming an assertive and loud crew member taking control of bad situations. It was like flipping a switch. Also helps that it was an internal flight. Th passengers were all Japanese and did what they were told. They helped each other to get out and left their carry-on bags behind. If the passengers were American, you would have had overweight fuckwits blocking the aisles. It you had Chinese passengers, it would have been a total shit show
@randkhor7571
8 ай бұрын
@@Mute_Nostril_AgonyCouldn't agree with you more on that passengers comment. Not being racist or anything but that's the likely truth.. (PS: i'm Malaysian-Chinese btw😅)
@Mute_Nostril_Agony
8 ай бұрын
@@randkhor7571 Wasn't being racist
@lance31415
8 ай бұрын
I've sat in the wing exit row more times than I can count. One flight crew told me a rule I hadn't heard before - if there's an accident, look out the window. If the wing is on fire, don't deploy the emergency exit. Lesson learned then, lesson reinforced now. Thx, JB.
@FastTheFood
8 ай бұрын
i was a flight attendant and i always added this bit
@nw6gmp
8 ай бұрын
This is on the Safety Card. The FA is also suppose to brief it.
@FastTheFood
8 ай бұрын
he does not mentions this, but the aft slides on the running engine side could not be opened either becaue the jet blast would have either ripped them off, or would have potentially injured people going across it
@xrotor7813
8 ай бұрын
I have flown may emergency rows and never heard this - thanks for sharing.
@HweolRidda
8 ай бұрын
Briefed on fire only once?!! Change airlines. In addition you are supposed to read the safety card. (If the safety card is regularly missing, change airlines.)
@davec2214
8 ай бұрын
It's a miracle that everybody on the A350 survived. Egressing 379 people safely and quickly from a burning wide-body like that is amazing. My observation in normal non-emergency conditions is that people are unbelievably slow to board and exit. Granted, much of that is due to carry-on luggage considerations but egressing almost 400 people from a burning plane after a runway collision without losing anybody is truly amazing. P.S. Love your channel, Juan!
@NoelleTakestheSky
8 ай бұрын
Being Japan, chances are good that NO ONE stopped up the exiting to get their overhead luggage as Americans do. I don’t care if someone grabs the purse at their feet, but people stopping to get stuff from the overhead compartments should be charged with crimes.
@merlin51h84
8 ай бұрын
And what's even more amazing using only 3 slides. Tremendous effort and applause to the crew and the passengers. First there was miracle on the Hudson river, now miracle on the Haneda runway!
@wohcroloff3871
8 ай бұрын
I visited Japan a few times about 25 years ago and what struck me then was that almost no one brought any hand luggage on board. The luggage transport systems at the airports were so efficient that you barely had to wait at the belt to get your luggage back (not to mention that even small luggage is treated properly). If that was still the case today (no idea if it is), that could explain to some extent the speed of evacuation.
@FlyingAceAV8B
8 ай бұрын
The Japanese people also listen and respect what they are told to do by someone in authority. In this case, that worked out well. Additionally they also are not completely out of shape like the average American.
@hisnibs1121
8 ай бұрын
Reportedly, the crew were unable to use the intercom, because it was inoperative, and had to use hand-held megaphones to communicate with the passengers, too. Excellent job by the cabin crew, and passengers actually following instructions.
@JamesHazou-y7c
8 ай бұрын
Hi. I've Captained a Global Express into Haneda on several occasions over the last 10 years. It is a very complex environment with tricky IFR to VFR approach transitions, minimum aircraft separation, often with late landing clearances. The missed approach procedures alao require detailed pre-briefing as most have early level off altitudes. Deconfliction with departing aircraft when executing a missed approach is a very serious threat. The quality of, in particular accent and tone intonation, during ATC transmissions in English, is not particularly good. As a native English speaker, RT is difficult to comprehend, often requiring clarification. Personally, I think this was an accident waiting to happen. It's very tragic, but the JAL cabin crew did an absolutely superb job. So sad about the loss of life to the Coastguard.
As the pilots involved were flying for JAL and the Japanese Coast Guard, they were most probably Japanese, being used to this accent.
@GoCoyote
8 ай бұрын
@@oasis71 RT: Radio Transmission.
@juliomanalo7074
8 ай бұрын
@@oasis71 Radiotelephony. Actually the correct abbreviation is “RTF”. It means communication by means of 2 way radio. This is very critical in Aviation Safety that’s why it is imperative to use standard phraseology to mitigate any possible miscommunications between ATC and flight deck crew. The worldwide standard is ICAO and the standard language is English. In Japan the controllers use standard phraseology however they tend to have a thick accent and their pronunciation of syllables is rather difficult to comprehend even for Japanese themselves. It’s a cultural thing because as non native English speakers, they think and compose their communications mentally then translate to English mentally then speak in English so it’s 3 steps mentally to listen to instructions and another 3 steps to compose your response and read back. It’s easy enough for a miscommunication to occur between 2 native English speakers, as the accident records in the US would show, it’s that much more difficult for non native English speakers as was the case in Haneda.
@retiredfederalie178
8 ай бұрын
I really appreciate your analysis and how careful you are to not jump to conclusions. I spent 30 years as an FAA ASI mostly air carrier but some GA digging through accident sites either as the FAA IIC or as an aircraft specific member of the NTSB team and so many times I saw “aviation experts” jump to conclusions that weren’t necessarily so. It makes an unpleasant job more unpleasant when you have to keep telling media or politicians “no that’s not exactly correct…” just because they saw or heard something, especially from an eyewitness. Keep up the good analysis.
@andicee8324
8 ай бұрын
I work in aviation and the chat is that the Dash-8 crew was told to taxi to C5 and hold short, it seems for some reason that didn't happen and they crossed onto the runway. The A350 was travelling about 228kph, so you are right no one would have even seen what they hit or what hit them. And because of the speed everything unfolded tat he controller wouldn't even have had time to spot that the Dash-8 had crossed onto the runway. Fantastic video, its great to see a video made by someone that knows what he is talking about, I appreciate it. Thank you.
@gozirraizroose
8 ай бұрын
Retired Navy submariner here. We had to repeat back comms via sound-powered phone systems throughout my career. We were taught early on that communicating clearly and slowly gets the message across first time every time. Being in a rush leads to confusion. Listening to ATC/Aircraft interactions over the last many years, you all need to slow the hell down. It's no wonder this happened. I didn't understand a word ATC said on that high speed burst. Is saving 2 seconds on a comm worth it? Safety needs to be #1 on the list. Every single time. It clearly hasn't been for a while now.
@uhrbexer9134
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sound-powered phone, never heard of that before. :) I'm sure my Japanese would suck less than the english of ATC if I would learn it privately. And he is, or should be, a professional. Same in France, ATC english sucks. And in the skies over Texas the only understandable english comes from Lufthansa pilots, maybe one time or another except da tee-aitch. :)
@evebit6252
8 ай бұрын
Great analysis. I hear the clearance as "Number 1. Taxi to holding point Charlie 5." This is a typical clearance in Asia, where they generally do not explicitly state to "hold short" in my experience unless you specifically request a takeoff clearance. Without any other information, I think the Coast Guard crew may have misinterpreted (even subconsciously) this clearance with the "Number 1" statement as permission to take the runway. Sad that 5/6 of them didn't make it, but very impressive that the A350 crew got everyone out!
@WaterlooExpat
8 ай бұрын
Perhaps any ambiguity could have been avoided and this tragedy could have been prevented if ATC protocol had been to give instructions to "Juliette Alpha Seven Two Two Alpha" instead of to "Number 1."
@evebit6252
8 ай бұрын
@@WaterlooExpat He wasn't referring to the aircraft as "Number 1", he was telling the aircraft that he was #1 for departure.
@LandyVlad_Rides
8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if 'hold short' as a compulsory component of taxi instructions is introduced into ATC in Japan following this.
@lexteakmialoki5544
8 ай бұрын
I'm not a pilot, but been watching aviation stuff for years. what you said is so on point. I think most of the US language is "hold short" or "line up and wait". Given that "holding point Charlie 5" could be confusing. I wonder if they use the same "line up and wait" terminology. After the Tenerife disaster they only say the word "takeoff" when you're cleared for takeoff. seems maybe some standard might help... Not sure. But I agree with another poster here. Sometimes controllers speak so fast it is hard to keep up, and others are more methodical. Pilots and controllers have immensely difficult jobs and I am not one to criticize, but accuracy seems to be of the utmost importance.
@OkiDingo
8 ай бұрын
You can hear the coastguard pilot respond with “lineup on runway 1”
@mrtoldyou5589
8 ай бұрын
Blancolirio makes an astute observation about the non-deployment of the right over-wing chute and the running engine. It highlights the importance of why window shades are raised and cabin lights dimmed prior to landing.
@aawillma
8 ай бұрын
Very good point! Last year my 7 year old asked why we have go sit up straight and have everything configured for landing and I told him it's because the most common time to need to evacuate is on landing so we are just getting ready to go. We need to be able to see everything and get out without anything in the way. He's kind of twisted so when we landed he said, "yeah my window is open so I could see if that engine burst into flames very easily!" 🤨 Err, right lol.
@Rasscasse
8 ай бұрын
A very astute observation. I was not aware of this before I watched this analysis by Juan.
@robertw.1499
8 ай бұрын
I am absolutely convinced that the main reason why all the Japan Airline passengers were able to escape unharmed is because the majority of them are Japanese. These people are well known for their discipline, so on the aircrew side as well as the passenger side, this was the absolute best constellation for such a scenario. Had this happened on another airline full of "other" nationalities, they would have been trying to take their luggage out of the overhead lockers causing all sorts of delays. Great reporting even with so little information 👍
@fabianmckenna8197
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely, the plane crash in Dubai showed crowds of passengers standing around while trying to retrieve their hand luggage. Luckily they all disembarked without casualties but yes, but I've seen plenty of evacuees walking away from the slides with all of their luggage......is it really worth it in a race away from a burning plane
@pczTV
8 ай бұрын
So true. I lived in Japan for three years and they are the only group that would follow instructions. Were this in the US ….
@great-life-experiences2024
8 ай бұрын
I agree ! Well said
@ianmilne655
8 ай бұрын
Was thinking exactly the same, I don't think it would have been as quick with westerners on board
@N0xiety
8 ай бұрын
That's true, but the asian discipline can also cause tragedies when the intructions are flawed, such as in the case of sinking of MV Sewol. Captain and crew told passengers to stay put for the timeframe of 1.5 hours the incident lasted, while they abandoned ship saving themselves, leaving behind hundreds of passengers to go down with the ship. It was too late for them to escape when they realized staying put and following instructions wouldn't be a solution. Those who were lucky and those who didn't conform to social compliance survived in the end. So yea, blind trust in authority doesn't always work...
@TokyoCraftsman
8 ай бұрын
As a resident of Tokyo for more than 33 years this crash was shocking. Both JAL and the Coast Guard had sterling safety records. It will be very interesting to find out exactly what happened, I'm confident that the report will be very thorough and correctly done and it will take a very long time to see the light of day. Prayers for all involved.
@recoveringsoul755
8 ай бұрын
Both pilots survived so that should help. Although I heard the coast guard pilot was in serious condition. A shame they were bringing earthquake relief supply to the affected area.
@wickedcabinboy
8 ай бұрын
@@recoveringsoul755 - The Coast Guard pilot is reportedly in critical condition on life support.
@tymcfadden8496
8 ай бұрын
Likely the Coast Guard pilot misheard the order to hold at C5 and thought he was to enter the active, line up and hold for clearance for take off. Looks like the A350 ran straight over the back of the Dash 8 while it was sitting still.
@arcenciel2968
8 ай бұрын
I heard a few iterations of the tower’s instructions in a language that was supposed to be english. To me, such airports, wherever they are in the world, should have tower personnel more competent in english.
@zlm001
8 ай бұрын
@@arcenciel2968iirc, the Japanese ATC are known for having extremely good English as they're very strict about only using English and not switching to their native language for native speakers, which is fairly common in other countries. The recording I heard was rough, so I don't know what it sounded like in radio, but I think he was speaking clearly until he dropped off a bit at the end. I don't think English was the problem unless the pilot didn't understand English. If you fumble your words or speak at light speed in NY you're supposed to listen to the read back to make sure you were properly understood. I do hope we get the clear full audio soon.
@kellyem33
8 ай бұрын
The unsung hero of the day, the Airbus. Just like with Sully on the hudson, the composite design makes the grade.
@lyleparadise2764
8 ай бұрын
Also thank the FAA, and similar international aviation entities, for requiring that all airliner manufacturers use flame retardant materials in the interiors and insulations of their aircraft. In a fire every extra second counts...........and that played a big role here.
@AwestrikeFearofGods
7 ай бұрын
It definitely helps that the Airbus is a much larger, heavier aircraft. I'm wondering how much of de Havilland's damage was directly due to the collision vs. ignition of the full fuel load.
@philstanton231
8 ай бұрын
Full credit to all the aircraft accident investors over the years for their recommendations. To the aircraft manufacturers for taking on board those recommendations. To the training instructors and crew of this aircraft for their actions. The results speak for all of you.
@happycanayjian1582
8 ай бұрын
Juan Browne, aka “Old Faithful”. Always 100% unbiased and perfectly fact/information-based reporting. I’m convinced a little part of him dies any time he has to report on such an unfortunate incident like this, such is his love for aviation, both GA and commercial. RIP to the crew of the Dash-8. 🙏🏼😢
@LarsLarsen77
8 ай бұрын
He's biased towards leftist bullshit. You just haven't watched him long enough. He's from grass valley for crying out loud.
@RetroracerDB1
8 ай бұрын
Indeed. Whenever there is an aviation incident I ignore the news media reports and wait for Juan’s analysis.
@deang5622
8 ай бұрын
News media doesn't know enough about aviation and doesn't pay enough attention to detail. Their accuracy is often deficienct. It's the same on many technical and science subjects.
@Harry_Gurvich
8 ай бұрын
I checked the Blancolirio Channel at least 3 times yesterday to get some of my questions answered (angle of escape chutes, engine running, specific location on the runway, etc.) without luck. I knew I'd find it here. Great job.
@Yakman18
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was waiting for Juan's video on this...didn't even watch anything else. I've got a commercial cert. He's the real deal.
@kacornish1
8 ай бұрын
My daughter is a new flight attendant, less than one year on the job, and this scares the hell out of me. But they train extremely hard for situations like this. I’m actually not surprised the crew was able to successfully evacuate the passengers.
@royal9848
8 ай бұрын
My brother just retired as a flight attendant, no worries.
@mikoto7693
8 ай бұрын
I don’t know if it’s any comfort but I’ve been ground crew for two and a half years now and so far the worst injury I’ve heard about it the bumps and scrapes I got falling down the last four or so aircraft steps at night because I was carrying an uneven load and was in a hurry! But yeah serious accidents like this are very rare. Think of the thousands of flights that go without a hitch every single day.
@davecrupel2817
8 ай бұрын
Rest assured, this is a very extreme, and extremely rare, event. Though it is the better part of wisdom to keep events like this in mind, your daughter is almost guaranteed never to find herself in a situation like this.
@vevenaneathna
8 ай бұрын
study the difficulties the cabin crew had of the klm 747 accident. such a big difference in how many survived.
@tomstuart2652
8 ай бұрын
Your daughter will be one of the safest person on the plane. My wife was a senior purser for Pan American Airways with every flight beginning or ending in a foreign country. She emphasized in her crew briefings that although passenger service was what everyone was expecting the job of the crew was to be prepared for emergency. This JAL cabin crew was on their jump seats about to touch down when they encountered a tremendous impact and the aircraft was surrounded in flames. Even without power they used bull horn and loud voices activating only the safe three exits out of eight and got the passengers off. This was a professional crew doing there job and saving hundreds of lives.
@ihmcallister
8 ай бұрын
As a retired aviation pro (London en-route ATC) I always wait until you have your preliminary report, Juan. As usual you've provided the first sane overview of the accident. It's the first hull loss of a carbon fuselage widebody (A350, B787) Apart from the runway incursion, the investigation of the resulting fire will be very interesting.
@peterebel7899
8 ай бұрын
I don't expect the hull material playing any good or bad roll in a disastrous event like this.
@lightningdemolition1964
8 ай бұрын
@@peterebel7899I can see the hull material being relevant to how well it held up during the impact at least. It didn't look like it snapped or fell apart. Performed as designed?
@peterebel7899
8 ай бұрын
@@lightningdemolition1964 Flying through another aircraft is no relevant design criteria.
@oldRighty1
8 ай бұрын
@@peterebel7899an impact and resulting fire has to be part of the design / safety considerations.
@CaptainCreampie69
8 ай бұрын
@@oldRighty1Nobody makes a plane thinking “if we hit another plane sitting on the runway will the landing plane be salvageable and safe?” That is an unrealistic expectation in a design. That is such an absurd thought. That is why we have read backs in aviation. Sadly from the audio the coast guard is at fault. Had the flare occurred at the same time as the taxi instructions then the deck angle would have been higher possibly preventing the sight picture required to identify the aircraft that got onto the runway. Having logged over 4k hours in the 777 I can tell you that after a 12-16 hour flight upon landing you are very tired and it literally takes all 4 pilots to be paying attention to cover each other. When in doubt just verify the clearance. It is one hundred percent free to make sure you heard it correctly and read it back the first time correctly.
@Awubala
8 ай бұрын
As someone who has flown widebodies in and out of Japan for 24 years I hear: “… good evening, number one, taxi to hold point charlie five”. Number one implying number one, ie. you’re next for take off. Hold point C5 implying hold short of the runway on taxiway C5. Pretty standard ATC. RIP to those crew who died in the line of duty. A truly amazing evacuation performed by the JAL cabin crew and passengers.
@TimToussaint
8 ай бұрын
Granted. However, why would one request, and why would ATC grant, an intersection take-off in this scenario. With hindsight, the landing aircraft would have overflown an aircraft that was “lining up and wait” at threshold 34R.
@davidmontierth8258
8 ай бұрын
I thought the universally agreed upon language would be something like "CG01, taxi C5, hold short 34R". It's the "hold short" that seems to be missing. "Implied" just doesn't work in aviation.
@vbscript2
8 ай бұрын
@@davidmontierth8258 Agreed. That would seem to be the more standard - and helpful - call in this case.
@bronze5420
8 ай бұрын
@TimToussaint number 2 and 3 may have been heavies, so best to get the smaller aircraft out ahead to avoid wake turbulence. Also Dash-8 doesn't need anywhere near full runway length so giving them C5 for shorter taxi makes sense. The lack of any sort of "hold short" instruction gives me the willies. I'd expect a change in phraseology will be implemented as a result of this incident.
@vbscript2
8 ай бұрын
@@TimToussaintPerhaps the intersection takeoff was to minimize wake turbulence issues? A Dash-8 behind a landing A350 would need to wait quite a while before attempting to take off from the area just before where the A350 touched down, but, once the A350 was on the ground with spoilers deployed, the wings would stop generating much lift and, therefore, much wake. Starting your departure roll from after the anticipating landing point (or at least right around it) therefore makes sense. Of course, this does highlight just how important it is to look down the runway before entering it. While the Dash-8 would have been difficult for the A350 pilots to see, that A350 would be lit up like a Christmas tree and can be seen from a LONG way a way, especially from the front with the landing lights on. Though I haven't heard how the timing played out in this case. If the Dash-8 entered the runway before the A350 turned onto final, then they might not have been able to see it. Or, if it was still a long way out, they might have thought Tower was going to clear them out in front of it. Hopefully between the recordings and testimony from the controllers and Coast Guard Captain, they'll be able to figure out exactly what happened and prevent it from ever happening again.
@gilliantracy7991
8 ай бұрын
What a testament to the build of the A350 and the incredible crew that saved so many lives.
@olasek7972
8 ай бұрын
probably very little to do with aircraft “build”, more with its size and height above the other aircraft
@John-nc4bl
8 ай бұрын
The 350 was well ' kablammoed ' as Juan would say and it is doubtfulif it will ever take to the sky again.
@HammondOfTexas0
8 ай бұрын
@@John-nc4blhe didn't show the photo of it, but it's currently a burned out shell. It'll be taken away in pieces.
@kliffkloff2476
8 ай бұрын
I think composite materials play a big role on this accident , in terms of strenght and anti fire, penetration ,structure resistance@@olasek7972
@leelizington9501
8 ай бұрын
The exits opened and the fuel tanks didn't go 💥 so seems pretty sturdy
@joes6089
8 ай бұрын
As a Dash 8 tech writer, i know that The Japan coast gaurd, has the optional Aux Fuel tanks. These would have to be empty, if the is any payload inside , as is most likely for the earthquake relief. Thus these Aux Tanks, inboard of the -8 engines, could have residual fuel, vapours, contributing to the explosion.
@kevin.keen.socialmedia
8 ай бұрын
Thanks Juan. If one zooms the video immediately before the 350 impacts the DASH-8, one can see the DASH-8's tail become visible from the 350's landing lights and see the 350's nose and nose gear appear to strike the DASH-8's tail.
@FailureatRetirement
8 ай бұрын
I played the last part of Juan’s video at half speed and I can see the red tail beacons reflection on the front of the 350 as well. Looks to me like the 350 was fully on the ground.
@benjaminl3084
8 ай бұрын
I agree. The last part of Juan's video I believe you can also see both wing tip strobes and the nose wheel taxi lights which would align with Juan's theroy that the Dash was lined up on the runway when the A350 struck it. Not sure why they don't have the wing landing lights on while on the active unless they only turn them on when take off clearance is given?
@MrRem7600
8 ай бұрын
@@benjaminl3084 quite possible - at the airline I work at one fleet's standard procedure is landing lights go on only when take off clearance is issued - while on another it's landing lights on when entering the runway
@satoshimanabe2493
8 ай бұрын
ASN posted on X a diagram from a briefing. It showed the DASH-8 entered the runway at C-5, had turned and was nearly at C-6 when it was struck. So this also seems to indicate the DASH-8 was lined up.
@mikethrower742
8 ай бұрын
@@MrRem7600 always a clash at my old Big Airline airline SOP’S and FAA recommendations regarding when to put all aircraft lights on. Put them on and aircraft crossing down runway queried whether you had been given take off clearance. Leave them off and you’re less visible……. Maybe global SOP’s in order to standardise ?
@roscored1000
8 ай бұрын
To all those people who dont pay attention or sleep or have their headphones on when the crew are doing their safety demonstration, remember one thing, they know how to get out of a plane faster than you, all they want you to do is pay attention for a few minutes that could save your life and theirs and others. This incident brings it home that a few minutes to learn something could save your life. Nearly 30 years as cabin crew and I still watch what they are doing even after retirement. Great job guys and girls of the crew.
@svr5423
8 ай бұрын
Chances are those people have seen the safety demonstation already a dozen times that month. Once you get on board, you familiarize yourself with the exits, take a look at the emergency cheat sheet in front of you, check where the masks and life vests are, memorize that (in smoke, you may not se the exits) and you're done. Switch on your headphones and slumber while the crew will be explaining the same thing you did in one minute in 3+ different languages, followed by various advertisements of what you an buy for food and duty free.
@eloisebrynlee
8 ай бұрын
I always try to select a seat within three rows of an exit.
@Rasscasse
8 ай бұрын
Wel said roscored1000
@markylon
8 ай бұрын
True, however, apart from the location of the doors the procedures are exactly the same, I have flown hundreds of times and never seen anything different apart from the door locations.
@johnw8102
8 ай бұрын
I don't think I need training to get out of burning plane
@eddyg1794
8 ай бұрын
The testimony of the Captain of the Dash 8 is going to be very interesting as well as the ATC recordings.
@lyleparadise2764
8 ай бұрын
Kudos to the JAL crew for getting all their passengers out safely. This evacuation will hopefully be studied by all airlines around the world for it shows that it can be done, even under the most extraordinary circumstances........ My condolences to the families of the CG crewmembers that perished.
@billyng2890
8 ай бұрын
I'm a non-pilot long-term subscriber who loves these accident analysis. I've been following this all day hoping to understand how something like this happens, and was so grateful to see your video pop up. Thank you very much for what you do and I wish you great success.
@haroldlipschitz9301
8 ай бұрын
MLIT has released the ATC transcript in Japanese this evening. Following JL516 clearance to land, the JCG plane was instructed to hold short at C5 as #1 for departure, and they read back that instruction. Never told to enter 34R or clear to takeoff, anything of the sort. And not a peep from the tower for the next half minute as they apparently entered the runway.
@LandyVlad_Rides
8 ай бұрын
I didn't see the words 'hold short' used?
@haroldlipschitz9301
8 ай бұрын
@@LandyVlad_Rides Because it was double translated. The original English transmission says so
@MiguelAlejandro1969
8 ай бұрын
10:26 If you zoom in on the video you can see that dash 8 was on the runway and the A350 illuminates the tail of the dash a few seconds later and passes over it. That explains the 2 dents in the engines, it literally severed both wings. It's tremendous how in Juan's video the shine of the Dash's tail can be seen perfectly. If you slow down the video and let it run and pause, you can check how it happens.
@jarheadcharlie2315
8 ай бұрын
I got flashbacks of the US Air / Sky West at LAX (91) from this one. The big saving grace was that the A-350 was tall enough to clear most of the Dash. If that had been an A-320 / B- 737, this would have been horrific.
@michaelzilkowsky2936
8 ай бұрын
this plane did not land anywhere near 'on top of' the dash 8, he ran out quite a bit before impact. I thought the same thing about the US Air crash (having just watched it on Mayday a few days ago); the Airbus did not see the smaller plane in that sea of lights. I thought that the NTSB investigation was supposed to have proposed / implemented a fix to make planes on the ground more obvious....
@jarheadcharlie2315
8 ай бұрын
@@michaelzilkowsky2936 That problem isn't going away... not without lining the entire leading/trailing edge of the wing/tail with some monstrously powerful LEDs.
@michaelzilkowsky2936
8 ай бұрын
@@jarheadcharlie2315 Kiss just came off the road, maybe they can donate part of their crowd basher fixtures to airplanes..... 😛
@davidfreiboth1360
8 ай бұрын
Well done, Juan. You provide the most timely and accurate accounts of aircraft mishaps. Relying on my hometown paper for an accurate illustrative reference is a nice touch. We are blessed with the best aerospace reporting in the country. My condolences to the unfortunate families who lost loved ones in this tragic event.
@JayRobin
8 ай бұрын
I fly in and out of HND often. "Taxi to holding point XXXX" is standard phraseology to taxi up to and hold short of the runway at the XXXX intersection.
@critterwatcher8009
8 ай бұрын
It sounds like typical phraseology was used here at a civilian airport but I wonder if the military phrases things differently. It would seem obvious that it should stay consistent - but I'm not any form of a pilot (civilian or military) flying into or out of Japanese airports.
@davecass485
8 ай бұрын
When I heard that all souls on the A350 made it off it reminded me of the Air France A340 that overran the runway at Toronto Pearson and burned up. That was one of the first really major accidents that I remembered when the frame fully burned after a violent crash (went over an embankment before burning) and all souls made it off. Only took seconds for that frame to be fully engulfed as well. The training of these cabin crew is amazing and heroic for sure.
@MrEtnorb
8 ай бұрын
HI Juan. I picked up a very important fact thanks to your report. You said that emergency evacuations have to be carried out in 90 seconds using half the slides on an aircraft. This point has been missed in both of the major news carriers I read here in Sydney. Typical of mainstream journalists to not do their work properly. Look forward to continued reports from Sydney. Enjoyed your South Steyne beach report last week.
@derekinhawaii
8 ай бұрын
Juan, your full explanation along with video / graphics really summoned up this accident. I heard about it, watched some footage and read an article or two, but nothing compared to your explanation / analysis of what could've gone wrong. As a former employee of United and a current global travel nerd, your education and continuing education, really shows well on your videos. Hopefully some day I will run into you in an airport or better yet on a flight, possibly a hiking travel outside of HKG. You have done everyone, who lives/briefs/honors the aviation world, a great service. I know you work for a competitor to United, but I also know anyone who works in aviation respects everyone who works in aviation. Your work/knowledge is invaluable.
@ChristinaChrisR
8 ай бұрын
100%👍🏼
@Deltiranoditodo
8 ай бұрын
This could have been another Tenerife if it weren't for the discipline and orderly mentality of the Japanese people. As a pilot/CFI I got goosebumps watching the moment of the accident video footage and lamenting the loss of almost the entire crew on the classic Dash, but for he last 11 years I've also worked as a cabin crew for a major airline in north America and seeing all these folks evacuating without a single piece of luggage and only 3 suitable slides is nothing short of a miracle these days.
@PRH123
8 ай бұрын
There's quite a few passengers visible with backpacks, purses and handbags coming off the slides...
@captarmour
8 ай бұрын
Great Video! Years ago departing Piarco Trinidad, I was told to enter and hold. I read back that I would rather hold short of the runway as I don't have review mirrors(at a 90 degree taxiway I can see the approach path). ATC said "no reported traffic", I said "I'm more concerned about unreported traffic" he laughed and said "so true, so true". A few seconds later we got our route clearance and then our takeoff clearance. This is "self preservation instincts" which in the last 30 years has gradually become an endangered species.
@spacedriver24
8 ай бұрын
Agree with you. It's just common sense , before you enter the runway, LOOK OUT THE WINDOW.
@captarmour
8 ай бұрын
@@spacedriver24 should be part of our religion. Also we need to listen to what's going on around us especially to someone on approach, and read back enter runway clearance slow, loud and clear to alert anyone on the approach of conflict.
@julianray
8 ай бұрын
Absolute cheers to the cabin crew for getting everyone, including a number of very young children, off the aircraft safely and with only three slides! Total heroes!!!
@Nighth4wk172
8 ай бұрын
When driving on the apron at night, for me: the Dash 8 is always the hardest plane to see if it didn't have its taxi, landing, or strobe lights turned on. Usually just after pushback with engines running. From a truck driver view angle the dull looking red beacon on the tail is very hard to see and not bright enough in the dark at all. Sidenote: Also the Beechcraft 1900 is really hard to see at night. It has a hard to see beacon light too and for some reason allowed to be a white light instead of red.
@ml66b
8 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting on your synopsis since this tragedy occurred Juan. As a railroader in the UK for almost 40 years (and also lucky enough to spend around 100h on the flight deck of 747-400’s back in the day) it continues to amaze and concern me at how rushed and sometimes incoherent the voice comms are in aviation especially when on the ground.
@joso5554
8 ай бұрын
Yes!! Totally agree. This is a major issue worldwide. Totally out of touch with the extremely high technical standards that airliners design and operations have reached nowadays.
@camm.7106
8 ай бұрын
Rest in peace to the Japanese Coast Guard members passed from this incident responding to an already bad situation with the recent earthquakes. Thoughts and love to the family's affected. From our family here in Canada.
@peterebel7899
8 ай бұрын
A very sad story! And do not forget thy had badly needed ware on board to rescue people from the consequences of the earth quake and Tsunami.
@JonLarrabee
8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Juan. Always appreciate your timely and informed videos on these types of tragedies
@filter501
8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Captain, for your great commentary. My prayers are out to the lost souls of this terrible accident.
@indorseable
8 ай бұрын
As tragic as this accident is, what's incredible is how the A350 had zero fatalities and that the plane was intact! Incredible engineering.
@mikebronicki8264
8 ай бұрын
Probably just lucky physics. It looks as though the A350 scimmed over the top of the Coast Guard plane.
@bertchiu9265
8 ай бұрын
@@mikebronicki8264I agree with your “lucky physics” sentiment. Normally any sort of violent collision like this would result in catastrophic damage to both aircraft, but surely the significant height differential between the two aircraft played a major role in the minimizing of damage during the collision 💥
@Georgiagreen317
8 ай бұрын
I knew it wouldn't take long for a comment like this to pop up. Had that second aircraft been a few hundred feet further down the runway the outcome would have been completely different.
@MikeCaffyn1
8 ай бұрын
it not skim. It hit it full on. There's always some luck but this is the first big carbon accident we've seen and I would say the aircraft proved to be very tough. It did not buckle or split open. Well done engineers.
@mikebronicki8264
8 ай бұрын
@@MikeCaffyn1 the engines on the Airbus show us that they struck the wings of the Coast Guard plane. Remember, the plane on the tarmac was a high wing design. Therefore, the body of the Airbus passed over the body of the smaller, stationary craft. The dent on the nose of the Airbus would be from sticking the high tail.
@kevinm.n.5158
8 ай бұрын
I deeply abhor the mainstream news sources, and when it comes to situations like this, I depend on analysis by true journalists like yourself, JB.
@pulaski1
8 ай бұрын
You mean true _experts._ Unfortunately journalists are rarely experts on anything. 😢
@dks13827
8 ай бұрын
you do????? same.
@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648
8 ай бұрын
Understanding aircraft and aircraft lingo is going to greatly increase the odds of an accurate report.
@volvo09
8 ай бұрын
Same here, the "news" is there to push hype, fear, and political narratives. You'll never see such detailed information on TV news. Just a quick blurb that's been all cut up if they did happen to interview someone who knows what they are talking about.
@PRH123
8 ай бұрын
BBC anchor was speculating on whether the earthquake could have caused the accident...
@j.k4984
8 ай бұрын
Straight to the point and factual. Thank you Juan. RIP to all souls lost in the Dash-8.
@flynjay7178
8 ай бұрын
Juan, Thank you for such clear reporting. @ 10:34 in your video you can see the tail of the -8 being lit up by the A350 with its nose still off the runway. Looks like the tail was slightly left of the centerline. If it was any bigger of a plane, this would have been a major tragedy.
@-TJ-
8 ай бұрын
There was a 737 on approach right behind the A350. I imagine the smaller 737 would have come off far worse had the incursion been a minute later. Sad to see a modern aircraft get destroyed like this, but it's structural integrity saved a lot of lives.
@EnergeticWaves
8 ай бұрын
especially if it had mcas
@raihothexiv15th37
Ай бұрын
@@EnergeticWavesYou’re not funny. Get a life.
@Ro32da72
8 ай бұрын
This channel has become my go-to for aviation incident news (and Oroville updates!). Juan your pilot's eye and professional analysis are so much more informative than the over-excited and uninformed news people. Such a sobering accident this one; some 'luck' with the actual impact point and utterly outstanding work by the JAL crew saved this from being a huge disaster with hundreds of lives lost - Great work folks. As always, the aviation industry will look inward and learn from what happened to help prevent a similar occurance. Condolences to the families of those lost in this shocking accident - in this game we ALL take our work home with us 💔
@jeffcox9930
8 ай бұрын
Eerily reminiscent of the USAir/Skywest event in LAX, Feb 1991. This was the impetus for no more holding in position at night(not saying that is what happened here). However circumstances seem almost identical though. Truly amazing keeping control of the 350 and getting all evacuated with 25% less exits than required for certification.
@bsmith1164
8 ай бұрын
As an ATC who has had aircraft just taxi onto runways without clearance and without saying a word to me, this situation is a possibility I'm always looking out for. I would guess that Haneda has ground radar (ASDE) for the tower and there are runway stop bars. ASDE is a digital map of all maneuvering areas and aircraft and vehicles are easily seen on the display. The ASDE display is right next to ground and tower controllers and is part of a normal visual scan of the operation by controllers. Stop bars are rows of red lights at intersections that are turned off by the controller when an aircraft is cleared to enter a runway and they reset after 90 seconds or so. If the Dash 8 crossed lit stop bars without clearance, it is even more unfathomable to me. When given taxi clearance for a runway, it is implicit that holding short of the runway at the hold line is mandatory. Telling an aircraft to hold short of the runway is normally done, but is not really necessary: you as a pilot simply do that as standard procedure. Upon reaching the holding line, you contact the tower and wait for the next instruction. If a pilot is not 100% sure that they have been given lineup or takeoff clearance, they must wait at the hold point and clarify with the tower controller before proceeding.
@timothystamm3200
8 ай бұрын
Okay, I was wondering if signaling of some sort outside of radios was done. Would it be possible to do in cab signaling as well and even disable the ability to move forward with a plane if there is no clearance to move? If possible and not implemented, I could see this being equivalent to the Evansville Burlington Route railroad crash with the equivalent of mandatory automatic train stop regulations following.
@davidmorris1536
8 ай бұрын
I want to know if they did have a ground radar (ASDE-X or similar) was it equipped with something equivalent to AMASS?
@MADHIKER777
8 ай бұрын
My understanding is that stop bar lights were inoperable since Christmas day. However current NOTAM (notice to airmen) included this information. Also, some reports SAY the CG DASH-8 did not have latest transponders for detection by collision detection system. All this needs confirmation.
@timothystamm3200
8 ай бұрын
@MADHIKER777 They let Tokyo's main airport run with just radio communication?
@trunkmonkey9417
8 ай бұрын
I believe you are 100% correct the A350 crew likely never saw the -8, that the -8 was on the centerline and holding, and the A350 "walked over" the -8, by the evidence of nose/radome damage, NLG damage, and the mirrored damage to both engines on the A350. Most notable, and I would hope be driven home in all "news stories" is the fact the passengers did not waste time or resources trying to gather/take personal belongings. There are 380 nickels scattered by a lot of folks this New Years. Having been flying aircrew, Crew Chief and in many aspects of Aircraft Maintenance (USAF career), this outcome really touched me that so many peoples lives were spared, both loss of life, and the loss to those who would have been affected. I have been on the "other side" where things did not go this well. Kudos to the A350 Flight Crew and Attendants for their clear headed evacuation and proper selection of exits utilized. "Not today, cheese holes. Not today..." Thank you Juan, once again. And a, Happy and Safe New Year, to you.
@robertlomax543
8 ай бұрын
As a frequent international passenger I'm amazed that the pilots and controllers can understand each other. I have given up trying to understand what they are saying when they give the safety instructions. There has got to be a better way.
@nafcom
8 ай бұрын
Then you are just lacking the practice. Giving up on it is the wrong way. The more you practice and keep trying to understand, the more you will get used to all kinds of accents and will be able to understand a lot more in the long run.
@crazy4gta1
8 ай бұрын
It’s because you’re listening to it over the internet. It’s been downloaded and passed through various websites. As a result the quality drops. In real life, you get the transmissions directly and they’re right in your ear through the headset. Radio is line of sight, if you have a clear range to atc, the audio is crystal clear. You can often hear the chatter in the background
@ytkristi9876
8 ай бұрын
When I did my flight training several decades ago in the SF Bay Area, Japan Airlines trained pilots out of the Napa airport so we heard their radio calls all the time. The pilots had Japanese accents but were very good with the radios and calls. I'm not sure if JAL still trains there.
@robhoneycutt
8 ай бұрын
@@ytkristi9876 I was about to post the exact same comment.
@lyleparadise2764
8 ай бұрын
Reading the safety card is a good start. If you aren't sure, or are uncomfortable about something, ask a crewmember. They're here to help.
@twobins2060
8 ай бұрын
This is the channel I wait for following an aircraft incident. Always factual and to the point.
@petermcgraw7759
8 ай бұрын
As a retired ARFF firefighter, this incident clearly shows the way ahead for AFRR crew when it comes to fighting aircraft fires that have been constructed with composite materials. Its very apparent it is a whole new ball game so to speak!
@PRH123
8 ай бұрын
I was watching the feed from local tv, the fire actually propagated pretty slowly, despite the dramatic initial fireball... a long time went by, seemed like 10 minutes, before the first truck arrived to apply some foam, and then not much...
@petermcgraw7759
8 ай бұрын
@@PRH123 Yes I fully concur with your observations, I was not on scene so any comment would be hypothetical, however with that said I have some concerns.
@markmichal2952
8 ай бұрын
No.2 engine not shutting down, I'm guessing because the avionics compartment with engine controls included is basically below the cockpit floor which was destroyed by the impact. Juan, your analysis of events are top notch, and as someone that is in quality control for a large carrier, i watch for your posts for details. It does concern me on the amount of near misses and now accident that have been occurring worldwide over the past year or so. RIP to the Japanese Coast Guard losses, during their effort to help those earthquake victims.
@shodancat1000
8 ай бұрын
i agree, i was thinking exactly the same re: engine 2's failure to shut down... just a guess though.
@robertbutsch1802
8 ай бұрын
The engines are operated by FADECs which I believe are local to the relevant engine. But if communication with the FADEC (or with its own controller) were interrupted then that could account for it I suppose.
@kuebbisch
8 ай бұрын
All it takes is for the fuel valve to be stuck open, either by impact damage or severed electric wires. The engines just need fuel after they are started, no spark or anything else. Much like a diesel engine.
@ntcarver
8 ай бұрын
Yes! Nose wheel could well have damaged the avionics or wiring. I hope the blackboxs are recoverable.
@juliomanalo7074
8 ай бұрын
The taxiways are very complicated at Haneda Airport specially at night. There are many complex intersections with various angled taxiways and short distances between crossings. Some are even 5 way intersections. At night, all the lights are turned on and because of the complexity of the taxiway layout, it’s very challenging to figure out the taxiways and intersection. It’s quite confusing. On the night of the accident, the most important lights that could have warned JA722A that he wasn’t cleared to enter the runway yet, the RED STOP BAR LIGHTS were also U/S. Late at night, RWY 34R is the runway in use and RWY 34L is closed however, when you are texting to Terminal 3 after landing on RWY 34R, you will have to cross RWY 34L. All the lights of 34L would be ON except the RED STOP BAR LIGHTS. That’s one of the many challenges at HND at night. Day time taxi is another thing. As if the complex layout of taxiways weren’t confusing enough, you will find that the signs would also be partially obscured by tall grass.
@Urbexy
8 ай бұрын
Saddened to learn of the loss of lives on the Coat Guard aircraft, but that A350 stood up incredibly well to the impact. This may be the first real-world example of a composite fuselage aircraft being involved in a serious incident. It eventually caught fire and was completely lost but it retained its structural integrity long enough for a full and safe evacuation. Had this been a conventional fuselage constructed of aluminium and rivets I think the outcome could have been so much worse. Incredible job by the crews in orchestrating the evaluation.
@JohnnyMotel99
8 ай бұрын
@@phillipbanes5484 I wonder if Airbus add fire retardents to the composite mix?
@roquemocan
8 ай бұрын
@@phillipbanes5484 seems Urbexy is referring to the structural integrity in the crash itself
@UncleKennysPlace
8 ай бұрын
@@phillipbanes5484But it's more likely to hold together during the impact. Look at Jack Roush's Oshkosh jet crash. I'm surprised anyone survived, but both on board walked out (though not uninjured.)
@UncleKennysPlace
8 ай бұрын
@@phillipbanes5484 Unlikely. Strength is the primary requirement. But aluminium planes also burn to nothingness.
@IamSook
8 ай бұрын
The A400M that was lost a few years ago was predominantly composite. With regards as to whether a metallic airframe would have performed the same; they are designed to the same certification specifications, so there is no reason why it shouldn't have performed the same unless Airbus have used additional special factors in their analysis to account for any uncertainties in their material data which have led to a greater factor of safety. The airframe survival is more likely due to the attitude at the point of collision; if the cockpit had been taken out rather than the NLG the result is likely to have been significantly different.
@frankwells6013
8 ай бұрын
I was waiting for my blancolirio report, thank you Juan
@noonedude101
8 ай бұрын
This thing right here is why I almost went around when DTW had a TDZL that was malfunctioning. It was flashing instead of steady. It was a calm, VFR night. Radio traffic was light, and visibility was great. We told tower about our concern on a 3 mile final and they assured us that it was just a malfunctioning light. I told my FO that I didn’t feel certain that an airplane hadn’t ended up where it shouldn’t be. Thankfully we were in a plane equipped with new landing lights, so we opted to land a tiny bit long and allow our landing lights to illuminate the touchdown zone before we had a potential hazard.
@SaoJun
8 ай бұрын
Thanks Juan for your coverage. Condolences to the families of the Coast Guard crew. Kudos to the JAL flight attendants & crew for the safe & speedy evacuation of all passengers.
@dogfoodking
8 ай бұрын
This story will be a case study for years to come. Amazing evacuation. Big time Kablammo....sad for the coast guard crew.
@nw6gmp
8 ай бұрын
how so?
@dogfoodking
8 ай бұрын
@nw6gmp ????? Because with the exception of mechanical failure which is likely going to be ruled out almost every other aspect of Commercial Aviation safety is involved.
@windowboy
8 ай бұрын
I live in Tokyo. This was incredible to see pop up on my twitter. Amazing the fuselage held together, it saved lives.
@user-tj8wv7ri7d
8 ай бұрын
Somewhat similar to US Airways 1493 and the Metro at LAX. I was a tin kicker at that investigation, and that was a real hot potato. So sad on all fronts. My prayers are to the crew of the Japan Coast Guard plane and their families. Thank you Juan.
@aircraft_appraiser
8 ай бұрын
Great job on the cabin and flight deck - it's still a wonder that all passengers were saved! Dear Juan, thank you for condensing all the data into one comprehensive video. Your work and efforts are much appreciated, thumbs up!
@h11s20
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your outstanding, unbiased, detailed and calmanalysis in all your videos. As a slightly hearing impaired young man I stopped flying shortly after obtaining my ppl, because I realized that my inability to properly understand a lot of the radio communications left me a danger to myself and others. I have been wondering for years why ATC communications haven't moved to digital messages on top of verbal communications. So much less risk of misunderstandings or missed calls if you have a visual chat log in front of you that shows you exactly what instructions you were given. With our current state of technology this surely ain't tough to implement.
@stephenholland5930
8 ай бұрын
Do a search for CPDLC.
@joso5554
8 ай бұрын
YES !! The awful quality of ATC flying crews voice radio comms, the language, pronunciation, talking speed problems PLUS the very bad sound broadcast and rendering quality are a real serious safety problem nowadays. Totally prehistoric as compared to the very high technical safety standards to which airliners design and operations have been brought.
@bosshog8844
8 ай бұрын
agreed
@57appel
8 ай бұрын
After a fatal fire to a parked aircraft at LAX in the Eighties, aircraft would be required to use less toxic products due to the smoke inhalation. This aircraft shows the changes and it is good knowing the Engineering performed as expected. Brilliant crew, too.
@Mikeknz78
8 ай бұрын
Really amazing all the passengers made it off without fatalities. I do wonder how much this has to do with the Japanese culture. They are so orderly and follow instructions and generally dont push and shove, grabbing bags etc like you see in other parts of the world. Will be really interesting to see if they study why this evacuation was such a success so they can make sure any learnings are shared.
@bryanderksen4448
8 ай бұрын
I was having the exact same thoughts. I was imagining this occurring in North America and having belligerent and entitled passengers trampling each other like at a Black Friday Sales event
@johngreydanus2033
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely, I flew into and out of Japan years ago and I still recall how disciplined the boarding process was, just impressed me so much.
@johnthompson7420
8 ай бұрын
right! if this was an American flight three would be 3 or 4 belligerent drunks and a couple of sovereign citizens screaming about their rights and blocking the aisles.
@petesharp3640
8 ай бұрын
Yep. I'm in the U.S. and you're absolutely correct.@@johnthompson7420
@SVSky
8 ай бұрын
@@johnthompson7420 The bigger issue is people trying to get their bags. You know someone would do it.
@m.mahdi_BRN
8 ай бұрын
Did you say " the importance of correctly reading back and transmitting all runway and taxiway instruction clearances?" What a priceless piece of advice from an experienced pilot? A big thank you Sir.
@TheBarzook
8 ай бұрын
As many have already said, astonishing performance from the cabin crew and build quality of the A350. We've seen these near-miss more and more in the past year when listening to Vasa for example, it's unfortunately not surprising. What astonishes me the most is that in this industry of top technologies, we still rely on 2 way radios where the quality can be very poor, everybody speaks too fast and don't annunciate properly. You can have the tower call for a go around at the same time as another pilot will make a call and you will never hear one or the other. I'm surprised not more accidents happen. In an era where we have Wifi available almost everywhere, can't we develop a better system than this? If the system could allow for text messaging for example, in case of doubt you just read the ATC instruction on your HUD.
@tomdchi12
8 ай бұрын
Kudos to the Flight Attendants managing that evacuation. Flying GA I’m not in a hurry so if I’m not 1000% sure I’m cleared onto the runway I’m not moving over the line until I get that unambiguous clearance. But I don’t fly out of a busy Bravo so my impression is that you professional pilots are expected to keep things moving quickly. Let’s see what the final report contains. Hopefully improvements can come from this to reduce the chances of anything like this happening again.
@annabodot962
8 ай бұрын
Flying GA is enough of a burden. But once in a while, Bravo airspace is fun.
@w5cdt
8 ай бұрын
Never take flight attendants for granted.
@Paiadakine
8 ай бұрын
When I am cleared to take the runway I always check for anyone on base and final. If someone is on final I hold short and wait. Not sure how long the CG plane was on the runway. So sad.
@annabodot962
8 ай бұрын
Visual check? @@Paiadakine
@brucestambaugh
8 ай бұрын
I knew I could count on you for a fair and factual analysis of this tragic accident. I greatly appreciate your unbiased professionalism, especially in these rare catastrophic crashes. Thank you.
@notboeingnotgoing5483
8 ай бұрын
I was wondering when you would review this, great job and very fast . My first year as a FE on a 74-2 for TWA (my very first major job in the industry) we came very close to a runway incursion because of our lack of having a sterile cockpit and it led to major distractions and non pertinent information , our crew basically had "poor cockpit discipline" . This is a scenario that I still think about every day in the 74-8. At that time I was very young, inexperienced and feared the senior Captain in the left seat, this was way before CRM became the standard. What happened in Japan was a horrible accident but one that could have been much worse.
@petermiddo
8 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw this accident come up in my feed, I turned to KZitem to see who was covering it. Sadly, it was UK's SkyNews and their talking heads were terrible. I turned it off knowing it wouldn't be long before Juan would cover it much better on the Blanco Lirio channel. Another great job, chappy!
@recoveringsoul755
8 ай бұрын
I heard about it first on VASAviation, but Juan always has the most detailed information once some data is in
@maddyharn588
8 ай бұрын
I can't imagine the heart wrenching second the Airbus pilots went through the moment the Dash-8 came into view. Outstanding job by the cabin crew on their evacuation. A great reminder for us all to pay attention to those safety briefs!
@johnemerson1363
8 ай бұрын
If he even saw it! "We hit something, try to control direction and evacuate." And they did it.
@UncleKennysPlace
8 ай бұрын
@@johnemerson1363Yes, if the nose wasn't down yet, he could have overrun the smaller plane. It's possible he saw something, we'll know in a few weeks.
@johnemerson1363
8 ай бұрын
@@UncleKennysPlace Indeed! How often do we get to ask the cockpit crew, "What did you see before impact?"
@ryanupchurch9683
8 ай бұрын
Can we say a prayer for the coast guard captain? He lost his whole crew and has to live with that. Culpable or not. That’s too heavy. And of course prayers to the coastie crew and their families. Coast guard is a noble service.
@fortusvictus8297
8 ай бұрын
They were running relief missions for the recent earthquake in the northern part of the country. We will have to wait and see, but I suspect they may have been running those missions long beyond normal crew rest and/or getting priority all day at least.
@stephen3164
8 ай бұрын
I read the CG captain was in critical condition. If they were lined up on the runway, they never saw it coming. Not sure why the ATC audio is all garbled.
@xlynx9
8 ай бұрын
So much more informative than all the drivel in mainstream reporting. Thank you.
@heber0101
8 ай бұрын
From some of the reports, the flight attendants yelled instructions to leave all bags and get out as quickly as possible. With apparently good compliance from the passengers. How do you think that would have gone at a US flight? I expect about half would try to grab their bags before exiting, greatly slowing the evacuation. And a lot more casualties.
@davidzachmeyer1957
8 ай бұрын
The damage on the A350 strongly suggests the scenario you described - the nose hit the T-tail of the -8, and the engine nacelles struck each wing of the -8. For that to happen, the -8 had to be fully on the runway, lined up for takeoff. Unbelivably good work by the crew and passengers of the A350 getting everyone out of that inferno safely!
@johnlambert1505
8 ай бұрын
newest morning aerial pic of the runway shows that dash 8 was already in straight position for take off
@noevalleygiants
8 ай бұрын
Agree
@smartervilleonroute66
8 ай бұрын
@@johnlambert1505 the tail being illuminated by the port side landing light prior to impact is heartbreaking to watch. RIP. Thank you Juan.
@jamesturner2126
8 ай бұрын
#2 Engine just kept dieseling away. Turbine engines are incredibly tough, and that situation illustrates exactly why they are used in aviation. Probably a mechanical fuel pump, with an electric over mechanical control system, it just couldn't get the signals to close its valves so it kept running at the last throttle setting.
@awuma
8 ай бұрын
Once again, superb reporting by Juan, by far the best on this crash I've seen a day afterward. One thing nobody mentions here is how long the evacuation actually took. My impression was that despite the trying situation, the fire under and in the A350 progressed rather slowly. One report (probably incorrect) was that the evacuation took 25 minutes. The toughness of the A350 is impressive. Mind you, the B777 has also demonstrated great strength in its landing (and takeoff) mishaps. Another thing I notice is that in similar mishaps, the fuselage burns out and the wings don't (e.g. AF358, Asiana 214). I still recall my 1983 flight on a LOT Il-62M, and the fact its upholstery was woollen and the interior panelling was metal, quite unlike Western airliners and their all-vinyl and plastic interiors. That didn't help an iota in the two disastrous uncontained turbine failure crashes of LOT's 62's, but I did notice it when even then there was a lot of discussion about toxic fumes from burning plastics in airliners. I've seen at least one interview of a Tokyo survivor noting choking smoke during the evacuation. EDIT 3 Jan.: Japan Airlines reports 18 minutes between collision and end of evacuation (NYT Jan. 3, 2024 Updated 1:01 p.m. ET, Motoko Rich & Hisako Ueno).
@scofab
8 ай бұрын
I was waiting for this one... my in-laws were scheduled to fly out of Haneda shortly after this happened... needless to say the airport was closed and their flight cancelled. They're going to try again today. This is after we were all vacationing together fairly near the recent events in Ishikawa. Ya... glad to be home now. Kudos to the JAL crew and condolences to the families of the Coast Guard crew... last I heard the pilot was in critical condition. Thanks again Juan.
@leokimvideo
8 ай бұрын
I'm glad you spoke about the No2 engine failing to shut down, there's some amazing video out there of this engine eating itself to death. I was very surprised that the airport firefighters could not contain the intense fire that engulfed the whole fuselage. I'm thinking the Dash 8 must have ignited the cargo area with it's fuel after impact. I'm yet to see any evidence of of the Dash 8, it seems to have been completely destroyed. How did anyone on that aircraft survive?
@nirfz
8 ай бұрын
With the amounts of fuel envolved and the size of the aircrafts, i think firefighters nowhere would have been able to fully contain that fire. Their main goal is to keep the fire down as good as possible for passengers to evacuate. ->Prolong the time they get to get out and help evacuate people if possible. (Hence the ICAO requirement for the firefighters to reach any point on the airport within 3 minutes, timed from when they get an alarm.)
@brandyballoon
8 ай бұрын
I saw footage on a BBC news channel of when the fire looked to be under control, but you could see flames inside the cabin. At that point in time there was no fire outside. They were unable to stop it being engulfed from the inside out. So your theory that it started in the cargo hold makes sense. It could have been just from heat through the thin alloy skin, even if it wasn't ripped open (it probably was).
@ryonotrio6904
8 ай бұрын
It's reported that the captain escaped right after the collision and made a call saying "plane exploded. I was able to escape but the whereabouts of the others are unknown."
@snotnosewilly99
8 ай бұрын
I thought the firefighters did a great job in keeping the fire away from the 350's wings, where the fuel is. The entire plastic fuselage burned, but the wings never burned.
@johnnunn8688
8 ай бұрын
Thrown clear?
@robg3545
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for that Juan, facts without hype as ever. Seems clear that the fully fuelled Dash was the main flash ignition and presumably the fire got into the A350 via ripped outer panels. But remarkable job by the cabin crew in deploying the absolutely correct escape slides to get the passsengers off. Good to see the new materials used in the internals of a passenger aircraft being tested and passing that ignition test long enough to let folks escape.
@helmuthj.zotter7272
8 ай бұрын
Have been waiting for your report Juan. Your channel is the best in reporting those very sad accidents. It is very clear, you know what you're talking about. Thank you, even if it is a very sad day for aviation. RIP to the five crew members of the CG Aircraft.
@artrogers3985
8 ай бұрын
When I first heard that everyone on the A350 survived, I was shocked! Great CRM.🎸
@vevenaneathna
8 ай бұрын
compared to klm 737 accident, this difference is insane.
@jackthorton10
8 ай бұрын
I feared for the worst… while 5 were lost… it could have been… so much worse
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