In 1954, General Matthew Ridgway gave a presentation to President Eisenhower outlining the expected costs of going into Vietnam, replacing the French, and defeating the Vietcong. He said it would take anywhere from 500,000 to 1,000,00 troops, and "Even then," Ridgway said, "that may not be enough." He saw the conflict as a colonial battle, and not in cold war terms. Prescient. Eisenhower listened and asked, "And then what"", meaning, if America goes in and is successful in defeating the enemy, are we (USA) to occupy the country for the next 20, 30+ years? The old saying of ''well, if we had only known then what we know now", is simply not true. What was known in 1975, was known as early as 1954.
@hugglescake
4 жыл бұрын
France told the US to stay out of Southeat Asia but our arrogance won over sense.
@josephjjenkins1549
3 жыл бұрын
@@hugglescake , well put.
@redseneastmkii
9 ай бұрын
The Pentagon Papers made the same point.
@132indo
6 ай бұрын
America hubris was peak. And among policy makers they generally believed that geopolitical strategic interests trumps the costs which they view as acceptable.
@crumdoggy
2 жыл бұрын
Hubris and arrogance can be dangerous: McNamara first and then Rumsfeld.
@adamfrazer5150
3 жыл бұрын
This is a really valuable piece of footage - a big thank you for making it available 👍🍻
@oldfan1963
3 жыл бұрын
The National Archives, the Library of Congress and The Internet Archive are rich sources of period U.S. history. :)
@dexranch
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to know who McNamara was look into "McNamaras Morons"
@Yo_Kelz
Жыл бұрын
And that’s just one chapter in the lengthy, dark, twisted book of McNamara.
@THomAs.H.P.76
2 жыл бұрын
The domino effect Eisenhower said is like Minority report, arrest someone before commiting a violation.
@leeweisbecker6048
4 жыл бұрын
this guy should run a shell game at a carnaval
@franksu9735
Жыл бұрын
😆😆😆😆
@catsiey
3 жыл бұрын
After watching McNamara, this character is slick as snot, and, just an evil person.
@jamesbeckham7046
2 жыл бұрын
Simple stupid questions, answers in depth, truthful, well thoughtful with the fire of experience Mr. R. McNamara .
@randallmooreao9950
Жыл бұрын
Simple stupid response
@whoknowsknight9628
7 жыл бұрын
crappy questions from an interviewer not interested by the big picture.
@davidpage322
2 жыл бұрын
The lies this man is spewing are unreal! He has innocent blood all over his hands!
@senior_ranger
3 жыл бұрын
The antidote to this man's self-aggrandizing bullshit is the book: "The Living and the Dead: Robert McNamara and Five Lives of a Lost War" by Paul Hendrickson.
@platinumjeweler
Жыл бұрын
This man is brilliant, his knowledge exceeds most, which is why his career lasted so long.
@strikerorwell9232
Жыл бұрын
McNamara and Kissinger were the best people that ever walked the earth! Kissingers "Useless eaters" and "Military Men are dumb animals who charge when you tell them!" Kissinger 1975
@Yo_Kelz
Жыл бұрын
Hitler had a lot of knowledge too. One other thing they had in common was their lack of ethics.
@franksu9735
Жыл бұрын
Are you still in the Project 100,000 ?
@platinumjeweler
Жыл бұрын
@@franksu9735 Obviously you only can respond in apparent insults, crawl back underneath your rock.
@Sonic-tnf
10 жыл бұрын
I have to respect a person who is so candid about his high profile life in times of controversy. He truly wants us all to see how we can do better as humans. The Fog of War is more proof of his mission to show us our follies as humans and that we should seek alternatives to the past in actions that were misguided. Thanks for posting. He has blood on his hands but he is brave enough to stand up and say how wrong it was to do so. Too bad we still don't get it.
@MrKfq269
3 жыл бұрын
How about "McNamara's Morons"?
@willemverhaegen6873
3 жыл бұрын
A very bright man but with so much blood on his hand ! He though war was a game of numbers , statistics and didn't accept any critisism, very american.
@mirazusta2002
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly Sir, and with due respect, I don't find McNamara bright, I found him, if anything, opportunistic and profoundly immoral.
@thecarpetman7687
3 жыл бұрын
He’s bright in the way he finds justification for everything that he did without looking like his lying
@mirazusta2002
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecarpetman7687 Yes, you are absolutely right in that he is intelligent. However, from a strictly moral point of view, what is the point of being intelligent when holding a most prominent position in a government if you just follow, more often than not, your own particular agenda. Imho, what really sucks about Robert McNamara is precisely his lack of conviction in what he says when trying to justify the unjustifiable with regard to decisions he made as US secretary of defense in Vietnam.
@zelmoziggy
3 жыл бұрын
@@mirazusta2002 I find McNamara much brighter than I find you.
@mirazusta2002
3 жыл бұрын
@@zelmoziggy I don't wonder you do. However, the matter discussed here is not people's IQ, specially those like McNamara's, with a very high one, or mine, with a lower than average. What is to be discussed here is the moral of the individual, something nobody seems to give a shit about. I answered one post from Mr. Willen Verhaegen, and Mr. Roger Wynne, whom I addressed in a most respectful fashion by the way, when they referred to Robert McNamara as a bright person, before you joined the conversation. The definition of bright consists basically of two meanings, i.e.; intelligence (which nobody doubts Mr. McNamara had in abundance,) and success in one's career, which imho cannot be applied to Robert McNamara when it comes to Vietnam. Mr. Verhaegen, Mr.Wynne, and myself focused, I believe, solely on McNamara's involvement, decision-making, and legacy on the Vietnam War as US Secretary of Defense. I think Mr Verhaegen, and Mr. Wynne made their point clear when arguing rightly that McNamara was a very intelligent man. I don't know you, but, I'm much more interested in Robert McNamara's career and legacy on the Vietnam war than in his personal IQ. Because whatever the angle you look at it, his track record in that respect is awful, to say the least. Should you feel like discussing more in depth this particular, I would be more than happy to continue this conversation. Otherwise, thank you for reaching out, and stay well.
@carlkelly3710
3 жыл бұрын
And he still doesn’t get it.
@unknownkingdom4270
8 жыл бұрын
The interviewer is somewhat obnoxious. He either isn't listening or doesn't understand the answers and keeps interrupting with bumper-sticker style simplistic questions.
@KeithWilliamMacHendry
8 жыл бұрын
+unknownkingdom Aye, the twat is full of himself, MacNamara made mistakes but he was a decent man.
@lafeeshmeister
6 жыл бұрын
I think they're both being as honest as possible. Really. Don't undersell either. They're talking with different objectives - one with morality first, the other with factual recollections first. In the end they're both making valid comments about history that they both lived through.
@MaartenPrinsen
6 жыл бұрын
Fully Agree
@stevemorse108
Жыл бұрын
We lucked out just after he said that it was the best managed international security crisis in history. He takes us for 😊fools.
@jamesbeckham7046
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant mind, late realizations.
@samsonwilkinson8090
2 жыл бұрын
I knew his son in Chile 40 years ago. Nice guy but his Dad? Yeuch...
@raymondfrye8968
5 жыл бұрын
To Batrachious: I agree whole-heartedly with your Title. Down here in Pto.Rico we have a similar saying: Batracio de baño or sapo de letrina. The latter term means "toad from the outhouse". Why? Because toads eat shit and and talk shit whenever they open their mouths.Ha! It just like McNamara excusing himself for his bungling in the war.HE WAS LYING ALL THE TIME. The reason he was made Sec'y of Defense was because he belonged to the military-industrial complex , that Eisenhower warned about. Regards
@rothvinbosley1335
8 жыл бұрын
Well, the amazing thing to me is that after 50 years we have up to three wars going on right now with no end in sight and no way they say to end them! NcNamara states his belief that one can not win, by military force alone, civil wars yet we hear the same calls for more troops. If the USA had just entered the Iraq war with more men, and kept a few thousand more, ISIS would never have been able to get a foot-hold. The Afghan war was not like the Vietnam one because that was a jungle and the other a desert. But, they both had porous borders and lots of friends on all sides to support their tribal or religious group. Thus 15 years later, we are still there and the talk is l of what to do and how to get out of these third world quagmires as cheaply as possible! Americans, as we did in Vietnam, get tired after so many unending years of conflict, even if the body counts are low and price tag enormous. I still hear the charge of "cut and run" but after 15 years, can this still be true??
@djones9122
6 жыл бұрын
ROTHVIN BOSLEY hay its a job isn't that s what all you good time hillbilly say .so stop bitching .
@deckerbob
Жыл бұрын
I read your comment seven years after you made these comments, Trump never started any wars and was in the process of properly, ending the Afghanistan war, now look at us deep in the Ukraine, in a war that will never end…. Military Industrial Complex at its best….. tragic
@jamesrobertson432
Жыл бұрын
Even if they had planned to remove The Jupiter Missiles from Turkey anyway would The Soviets have removed the missiles from Cuba without that assurance? The common understanding seems to be that it was a condition so it's would therefore have been a "deal". Was McNamara saying the Soviets would have backed down regardless?
@rizwansharif1
5 жыл бұрын
WHOA...Soviets had 160 nuclear missiles in Cuba during the Crisis.
@jburtch
3 жыл бұрын
He was tragically wrong. Flat out wrong.
@Ken49169
8 жыл бұрын
One question no one ever asked "Why are we fighting communist?" No one could give a factual answer instead of propaganda.
@nastrael
7 жыл бұрын
Ken It's simple really. After WWII, the two remaining superpowers suffered a total breakdown in any existing relations due to conflicting ideologies, cultural misunderstanding, historical context and geopolitics. Russia and the West (namely France, Britain and Germany) had been enemies for centuries prior to WWI and WWII. The violent overthrow and execution of the Romanov Dynasty and the rise of Communism made the entire Western world shit its pants and relive collective nightmares of the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars. The aggressive posture of the Soviets, combined with their terrifying industrial power and contradictory ideology only solidified those fears. On the other side, the Soviets were, likewise terrified of the West, with their greatest fear being a Capitalist coalition forming to stamp out the revolution. Given its relatively isolated position, in order to defend itself from the Capitalists it began pursuing autarchy, further increasing the divide. So, unsurprisingly, after WWII and the defeat of their common enemy, the old enemies went back to being enemies. A line was drawn in the sand, and the word went out that if you weren't on our side, you were on their side. So, as birds of a feather flock together, the Capitalist nations, lead by the United States, went to "their" side and the Communist nations went to "their" side. Bada-bing bada-boom, Cold War.
@Ken49169
7 жыл бұрын
Nastrael Rowe, don't you think it has something to do with central banks in those communist countries?
@nastrael
7 жыл бұрын
That's a small part of the issue with conflicting ideologies, so, yes, obviously. Communist and Capitalist economic policies are inherently at odds. If you're implying that it was *the* source of the conflict, not by a long shot.
@TheFriendlyamoeba
7 жыл бұрын
Ken Would you suggest that knowing now what we know about the events of 20 th century that communism is a desirable outcome? Or are the 100 million dead in it's name merely propaganda? Oh no I guess it's the damn banksters again :shakes fist at imaginary foe:
@djones9122
6 жыл бұрын
Ken I will answer it are you blind ? ask any free Russian at anytime why did you leave Russia .you want to live under one man law judge jury. have your property stolen and sent with out trial to prisons branded a traitor and execute
@TheMrBennito
5 жыл бұрын
Robertus McPilatus
@philippejacob
8 жыл бұрын
The guy is responsible (among others) in the west, for the death of 2 to 3 million people (mostly vietnamese) and he calls himself a christian! He says he would do it again, (avoiding the mistakes). Are the mistakes the millions of death? The guy had to teach a lesson to the communist leaders, and show his allies that the us policy was ruthless (millions of lives were just a detail). Morality was strongly lacking to the guy, i think. I am not sure if he could see this, or if he uses religion to further his criminal mind and political design of our current society, where people like him rule.
@markusweissenbock6337
6 жыл бұрын
The US can do much worse. Reagan, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush again. Those are the assholes of the century. Corrupt as anything can be (Saudis???). Such a dumbass nation NOW. Electing Tump....
@williammedford5891
5 жыл бұрын
McNamara should have resigned early on.
@paulmancini3363
Жыл бұрын
Johnson should have Fired him when he took over but was too chicken shit to do so
@Kurdati
8 жыл бұрын
Welp, this is what happens if you allow people with a huge ego into the politics
@lastknowngood0
3 жыл бұрын
Who in politics does not have a huge ego?
@paulmancini3363
Жыл бұрын
Or be involved as a Higher Up of the Military
@lastknowngood0
3 жыл бұрын
Mac was a good Guy! A very intelligent man. He took a huge cut in income to serve POTUS's Kennedy & LBJ. He did what was asked of him and much more.
@beedub93
Жыл бұрын
A good guy doesn’t knowingly and willfully send young people to their death 10,000 miles from home.
@ralfrath699
9 жыл бұрын
Today we can not always undstand whether the US americans are already a nation or not! Why? They have not enough history and culture and own language!
@charms71
11 жыл бұрын
a very intelligent man!
@a.joseph4233
8 жыл бұрын
He died in 2009....lots of blood on his hands.
@jaimesandoval1988
8 жыл бұрын
They have to find some sort of way to justify their actions to themselves as to clear their conscience. Secondly they might hope that the others buy into their verbal vomit.
@markusweissenbock6337
6 жыл бұрын
A lot of blood reasoned by the right wing. Everytime, everywhere. All those right falcons are wimps. They don't understand mankind. They are machos like those poor little guys from the mafia. No brain. Just guts.
@chickensandwich8808
6 жыл бұрын
While I'm in no way condoning the actions taken by McNamara, I find it amusing to think people in this thread feel they know better. The perceived moral high ground is an interesting thing.
@Tsnore
9 жыл бұрын
Is this Rumsfeld, Dulles, McNamara or some other murderer?
@markusweissenbock6337
6 жыл бұрын
Rumsfeld is the worst, he is a true USA. Pure Capitalist.
@leeweisbecker6048
5 жыл бұрын
This man makes no sense
@Tristin1974
7 жыл бұрын
He was asking the hard questions-They needed to be asked!!
@djones9122
6 жыл бұрын
Tristin Gunn they were asked this 40 years ago
@dickiesdocos
6 жыл бұрын
Yes but in that time the answers given have probably changed
@jameseldridge4185
2 жыл бұрын
tactical nukes?
@charlesmicheaux4121
3 жыл бұрын
McNamara is such a LIAR he makes me want to vomit!
@frederickgreen3665
7 жыл бұрын
Figures don't life, but liars figure.
@RobertJamesChinneryH
10 жыл бұрын
nonsense -events in Vietnam endangering the west? leave these countries once and for all to settle their own differences ie: Iraq Afganistan without the big bully of the U.S. coming in-where is the legal basis for this? maybe the U.N.? (which is run by the U.S)
@ezymk69
6 жыл бұрын
Did they not offer him dental insurance? His teeth are awful🙄
@senior_ranger
3 жыл бұрын
Sad case of a man who believed his own mountain of bullshit. And so many families suffer today for it.
@zyxmyk
11 ай бұрын
yes, but he later admitted it was a mistake. Rumsfeld would never admitted unto death.
@senior_ranger
11 ай бұрын
I can assure you his admission provides absolutely no comfort to the family of John Haley.@@zyxmyk
@MrKfq269
3 жыл бұрын
Knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
@crumdoggy
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if he had listened to Harold K Johnson, Army Chief of Staff, who said Westmoreland’s policy was wrong things might have gone differently? This is use another example fo an arrogant man trying to defend his grievous mistakes.
@jcsully24
3 жыл бұрын
The documentary "Fog of War" really tells the whole story (as much as can be). McNamara was a brilliant man but flawed as are all humans in the most trying of circumstances.
@ivanmiller383
Жыл бұрын
Bull shit. He’s an arrogant asshole
@helloitsmehb
Жыл бұрын
This asshole should have gone to electric chair. He literally killed my father
@beedub93
Жыл бұрын
He’s a war criminal. Project 100,000.
@zman6513
Жыл бұрын
He was corrupt. He knew the war could not be won in 1965. Many human beings died needlessly. But of course the MIC made plenty of money now didn’t they?
@frederick-nrunkkamara103
7 жыл бұрын
Even at such an age he was bright as a button which a great recall for dates.
@coreycox2345
5 жыл бұрын
A classic mistake of logical positivists, is to think that is all there is to it Frederic-Nrunk Kamara.
@josephjjenkins1549
3 жыл бұрын
@michael , uhhh, I disagree whole heartedly. Please provide evidence.
@dwetick1
5 жыл бұрын
Remember that the these idealogies were being taught and prescribed in universities throughout the world...by so-called learned men. As I've grown older, I am less and less impressed by world leaders in positions of authority, both here and abroad...as everyone should be.
@larrywheeler9917
3 жыл бұрын
As a kid in school I remember being taught the red commie fall of the dominoes. That was the ideology of the era.
@Yo_Kelz
Жыл бұрын
@@larrywheeler9917an ideology based on a slippery slope… an argumental fallacy with no evidence to support its claim. I’m guessing the US was still hungover from the victories & new wealth from WWII to actually think critically during that time. Smh.
@Yo_Kelz
Жыл бұрын
On the flip side, a an American studying the Vietnam War from Vietnam’s side, the virtues you’ll discover of Vietnam’s people, leaders, and history are PROFOUND. It’s a shame a lot of Americans are still blinded by their Anti-Communist or even racist ideals.
@m.e.7558
5 жыл бұрын
sending poorly trained "low-IQ" people into combat (mac's idea) shows an extreme prejudiced & poor leadership qualities.
@montanasbigsky
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/wIBovKt8fYhlYJw
@johnunderwood3132
5 жыл бұрын
I think the interviewer was great! McNamara was wrong. He knew the conflict was lost, and still sent men to their deaths. I am a vet by the way and would have gladly gone to fight in the beginning but it ended up being a lost cause.
@MultiWalrus1
3 жыл бұрын
It astonishes me that men like McNamara and Dean Rusk weren't tried for war crimes. I mean talk about double standards. These guys had as much blood on their hands as the very worst that the Third Reich had to offer. I've seen Vietnam described as a genocidal campaign against the Vietnamese, and when you look at the figures it's hard to argue. General Westmoreland said things like that killing civilians wasn't so bad because it thinned out the population and so on.
@zelmoziggy
3 жыл бұрын
@@MultiWalrus1 Please link to a quote of Westmoreland saying that killing civilians wasn't so bad because it thinned out the population, or words to that effect. I can't find it. And if it was a genocidal campaign against the Vietnamese, why didn't the US attack the South Vietnamese, too?
@MultiWalrus1
3 жыл бұрын
@@zelmoziggy because it would have been strategically incoherent. The US military killed everyone within the politically-determined range of operations. “Free-fire zone” was a euphemism for “killing everything that moves”. When you consider that indiscriminate psychology in relation to the sheer numbers of civilians killed, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that they had totally devalued Vietnamese civilian life. You can argue (correctly) that falls short of genocide, but still, it is a massive chunk of the Vietnamese population completely wiped out by an invading foreign power.
@jake105
3 жыл бұрын
He didn't send men to their deaths. The President did. As GW Bush so eloquently said "I'm the decider". I'm a post-Vietnam war Navy veteran.
@jake105
3 жыл бұрын
@@zelmoziggy - The US military dropped 6 times as many bombs on South Vietnam than North Vietnam, according to Stanley Karnows book. But I'd like to find that Gen. Westmoreland quote as well.
@bkkbound
3 жыл бұрын
Funadematly it was a war of independence which is why the dominoe effect never happened.
@stuartmcalpine9468
Жыл бұрын
All great empires sow the seed of their demise with magnificent hubris. No exceptions.
@allend2749
3 жыл бұрын
as an 84 year old man no world leader impresses me with his intellect. Simply put, they are not as smart as I am.
@deckerbob
Жыл бұрын
He certainly learned to be a politician… he went along with whatever Johnson said, regardless of what he’s saying now… he was so guilt ridden when he died, 58,000 dead…
@whoisthispianist194
Жыл бұрын
He refuses to accept responsibility for sending thousands of men to their deaths, and killing so many innocent civilians. It’s just so frustrating watching him fail to answer questions and keep butting in.
@fruff30
3 жыл бұрын
This man has the blood of over 58,000 young American men on his hands yet he got to live out a long peaceful life. Where's the justice?
@MsColl90
3 жыл бұрын
And millions if Vietnamese!
@montanasbigsky
2 жыл бұрын
So true. kzitem.info/news/bejne/wIBovKt8fYhlYJw
@crumdoggy
2 жыл бұрын
If it was vital that South Vietnam be able to defend itself, why did you let Westmoreland implement a strategy for four years that almost ignored preparing the South Vietnamese Army? The British, during the same period, effectively implemented a counterinsurgency policy in Malaysia.
@nancymcmonarch
Жыл бұрын
By "Communism" they meant the economic threat to western imperialism posed by Asian people who weren't having it anymore. After WWII, when the whole world had seen France knuckle under to the Nazis, French plantation owners thought they could waltz back into Vietnam and regain control. NOT THIS TIME, said the locals, and set about kicking French ass. American leaders were horrified at their French allies being beaten and sent packing by those rebellious little Vietnamese; they saw it as an assault on the proper, white-controlled scheme of things. That is why our military was sent to prevent further "destabilization" in Southeast Asia.
@zyxmyk
11 ай бұрын
when i was in fifth grade, in 1965, i read a story in Weekly Reader than McNamara was stating we were going to build an electrified fence across Vietnam at the border between North and South, and THAT would keep the Communists from coming down to the South.. So that would end the whole thing. I thought, oh good, they've got it worked out then. Seven years later when I graduated high school they tried to draft me to send me to the same war.
@jameseldridge4185
2 жыл бұрын
read Mac's book, everything he did was correct......but then why did it all lead to failure?
@paulmancini3363
Жыл бұрын
Bad Policies result in Bad Results
@nancymcmonarch
Жыл бұрын
Because the basic premise of that war was ridiculous.
@philippejacob
5 жыл бұрын
That McNamara guy seems to be on the verge of crying whenever he talks about personal anecdotes taking place on the past, same in the movie ‘The Fog of War’. I really think the guy is mentally sick. He does not hear the question of the interviewer either. He still is the big kahuna, the brightest of them all. Also he says it was the best managed crisis in the world when he and the others almost created a nuclear holocaust! Total contradiction!!!
@yhho8473
3 жыл бұрын
Should have been in prison as war criminal
@silvergalaxie
11 ай бұрын
Hardtalk was a nasty forum&the clear speaking clear thinking guest always comes across as honest. The Fog of War,like completely R. McNamara,is interesting & intense,w/ justa well spoken,clear thinking old(very)man.
@redseneastmkii
5 ай бұрын
The U.S. political and military leadership grossly underestimated the belief in their cause, resolve, and strength of will of the Vietnamese revolutionary-nationalist forces and their capacity to fight and resist. _Never, never underestimate your enemy._
@Albert-Arthur-Wison225
Жыл бұрын
Please remember the responsibility borne by the political establishments in US allies such as Australia, South Korea, the Philippines, New Zealand, not to mention South Vietnam,…for t h e i r collusion with people like him,…and the resulting deaths, injuries, and lifetimes of shattered psyches.
@ednorton47
3 жыл бұрын
Khrushchev never would have gone to war over Cuba. Cuba was not within their sphere of influence.
@jamesanthony5681
6 ай бұрын
The world got lucky in October/62. Google the name Vasili Arkhipov. HE'S the reason we're alive today.
@franksu9735
Жыл бұрын
Cuba crisis sounds like a nature disaster to him, those crisis just drop out of sky for no reason ? for those who can not see the change of leaves should not talk about the change of seasons.
@patfraizer4469
Жыл бұрын
say what you want, the chinese are building islands throughout the south china sea today. They are chocking commerce all the way to Indian.
@ritchie9030
7 ай бұрын
You can't run the military like a Fortune 500 company.
@zevlove612
Жыл бұрын
Evil war criminal. Deserved nuremburg treatment
@jasonmitchell7550
4 ай бұрын
Using terms like war criminal, sexist, racist, nazi, homophobe so loosely just cheapens their meaning - unwise.
@zevlove612
4 ай бұрын
@@jasonmitchell7550 what should we call him?
@jasonmitchell7550
4 ай бұрын
@@zevlove612 Analyzing/describing someone’s decisions/actions is always more helpful than using labels.
@zevlove612
4 ай бұрын
@@jasonmitchell7550 i think you are trying to be too cute and politically correct here… the courts for example are able to assess and declare a situation to be genocide or war crimes. Is it because the McNamaras are your personal favorites that you want to treat them with kid gloves? When it is a sadam hussein or Assad or Putin etc we are quick to label them an axis of evil etc but not when its our own no sir
@dwightdowson9259
Жыл бұрын
Mr. Namara was only one Civil Servant...
@ssgtsouth
9 жыл бұрын
Still trying to CYA. A despicable man.
@Salvus967
9 жыл бұрын
ssgtsouth I admire him...He is a major figure in world history. He may have made mistakes but he still was more brilliant than the vast majority of us, and he still performed better by far in his life than the vast majority of us ever could. Look at his life and his achievements....All through out his life were the marks for greatness. High achievements in school, military, Ford, political, World Bank, etc.. A very great man in my opinion. He shaped history, many of those who criticize him have never had to shoulder the weight he did, nor would they shoulder it as well as he did. His name will forever exist in the pages of history, up there with the likes of Seneca, Cicero, Cyrus, Averroes, Maimonides and all the other great names of our collective past. .
@ssgtsouth
9 жыл бұрын
McNamara was a brilliant man. So many of the Kennedy whiz kids were brilliant. My distaste for him is not rooted in intelligence. He disdained the military, insulated them from President Johnson. Lied to both the JCS and the president. He knew early on that the Vietnam war was unwinnable with the non-strategy they were pursuing, he ignored what the JCS (an the JCS failed also) recommended. Let's not forget that Project 100,000 was his program. A program that targeted low IQ men that led to a disproportionate casualty rate and post military failure of minorities.(IQ being influenced by background and education). Yes he was a smart man, but did not have any of the most crucial qualities, wisdom and honesty.
@laquaker1
5 жыл бұрын
@@Salvus967 or the book by James Agee and Walker Evans; 'Let Us Now Praise Famous Men"
@TheKdizzle1971
Ай бұрын
Stop interrupting bro
@MapleSyrupPoet
Жыл бұрын
Difficult to be at the top
@tjschakow
Жыл бұрын
His downfall was having to work for LBJ and having Westmoreland serve under him. Had Kennedy lived he would have gone down in history as one of our better SecDef’s
@tommyjenkins7453
2 жыл бұрын
He LBJ , the whole administration committed murder by sending men to war and not letting them fight with all their might and ability
@NicThatOneKid
5 жыл бұрын
He was young and thought that swift violence could create a reassurance to the general population , now hes old and cannot self incriminate. Hes old school, no incrimination but factual story telling. wyt
@jameseldridge4185
2 жыл бұрын
Mac never proposed a strategy to destroy the north's ability to make war
@Vujo357
5 жыл бұрын
Intelect without moral, such a bad combination. What a waste
@GetToDaChoppa-k5r
9 жыл бұрын
Robert McNamara. Former US Secretary of Defense, helped kill approximately 2-3 million, mostly poor Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians. Not to mention a sizeable portion of the 58,000 dead US servicemen pressed into that war. Not to mention that equal number of US veterans who committed suicide in the years to follow. McNamara is an Elder Statesman now, walking around freely today.
@ryandriscoll7345
9 жыл бұрын
+no hassle He also helped save the world from nuclear war. And he is dead.
@ryandriscoll7345
9 жыл бұрын
+no hassle Only 1,313,000 total casualties in the Vietnam war and that is an approximation. So where did you get 2-3 million from.
@GetToDaChoppa-k5r
9 жыл бұрын
Ryan Driscoll I was talking about from time of that film being made he was walking freely. Were are your sources from regarding the death toll? You just pulled that number out of your ass.
@ryandriscoll7345
9 жыл бұрын
No you said today and you wrote that three months ago. And yes ii was wrong on the numbers.
@ryandriscoll7345
9 жыл бұрын
Would you rather have a few million dead or a couple billion. The Vietnam war was a very complicated thing. For the most part it was a proxy war against Russia. I personally take the Vietnam war of nuclear war with Russia any day of the week.
@sodapop1999
7 жыл бұрын
Let McNamara speak without interrupting. He has so much more interesting things to say than the interviewer.
@lafeeshmeister
6 жыл бұрын
18:49 Preach
@johnnyscifi
7 жыл бұрын
You were a very smart man Robert. Rest in Peace!!!
@johnnythreefour2902
10 жыл бұрын
McNamara seems like a good person put in a very difficult position.
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