Latency is a deal breaker for me...hope they fix it.
@Charmander009
4 жыл бұрын
Not just latency . Look how slow the ball is moving
@MegiddoTheImmaculate
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't know if the processor isn't up to snuff but this thing looks barely playable as is.
@RabbitConfirmed
4 жыл бұрын
was just thinking the same, that's so bad. like that's one of the most important thing for a pinball game. Heck even the iPad version of Williams Pinball is better than having to deal with latency issues..
@BobMcGeeSlaps
4 жыл бұрын
They're offering free PCB swaps to one without latency and coming out with a new version of the cab using the new hardware.
@polariscat
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like customized Pinball Arcade software. Would explain the latency. Don't hold your breath for an update :P
@allenedwall3835
4 жыл бұрын
I came across your channel by accident. Very interesting. I had no idea such a thing existed. BTW, the Centigrade 37 game you reference as part of the 12 games, I designed that game (I worked for both Gottlieb and Premier Technology). I also programmed "Bone Busters" and "Class of 1812", and worked on "Lights, Camera, Action". I also helped program Haunted House.
@motnostaw2813
3 жыл бұрын
Class of 1812 is a lot of fun. Still appreciated all these years later. :)
@johnross9118
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a real full sized class of 1812 and it is my fav!
@overratedprogrammer
Жыл бұрын
You are a wealth of experience and stories
@BenDunlop
Жыл бұрын
I grew up playing haunted house on Microsoft pinball on windows 98 😅loved it virtually, but never played the physical pinball...yet
@zyxyuv1650
4 жыл бұрын
If ETA PRIME didn't complain about stuff like the latency then I wouldn't watch this channel. He's honest and never became an affiliate link seller.
@mrburns366
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if he's never posted an affiliate link but I wouldn't care if he did. He puts a lot of time into these videos and if he posted affiliate links I'd be fine with it.
@zyxyuv1650
4 жыл бұрын
@@mrburns366 He posts affiliate links on all the vids where possible. I meant he's not an affiliate link salesman. There's a lot of channels that are like that, they even ban commenters for hating on the products.
@Vince084
4 жыл бұрын
The delay killed it for me..... you can’t have that in pinball
@figment1988
4 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, ToyShock announced that those who bought these tables are able to order a revised PCB that fixes the lag, some high score issues and ensures 60 fps gameplay
@Vince084
4 жыл бұрын
figment1988 thanks I’ll probably wait it out and hopefully revised ones roll out
@figment1988
4 жыл бұрын
@@Vince084 if you get one now, you will be able to request for the revised PCB when they start becoming available sometime in July
@UnixGoldBoy
4 жыл бұрын
If you’re interested in playing the original Gottlieb Haunted House pinball machine and live in North Carolina, there is a playable one at the Asheville Pinball Museum.
@ETAPRIME
4 жыл бұрын
And it’s only $15 for all you can play, I’m going again in February.
@dereks3849
4 жыл бұрын
The retrocade in Ashville is pretty good too.
@RandomHajile-j7z
4 жыл бұрын
Galloping Ghost Pinball has it too.
@defconone1498
4 жыл бұрын
That latency on bumpers is a game killer for me. Especially for pinball.
@dontmesswiththeman
3 жыл бұрын
I was kind of on the fence about picking one up, but thanks to your honest review I decided that my money would be better spent towards another real table.
@TacticalPower88
4 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I got inspired to open my laptop so that its flat, lay it down and fire up some mame pinball roms. Kinda random but I thought you should know lol.
@ETAPRIME
4 жыл бұрын
😂
@jessragan6714
4 жыл бұрын
That's actually a really good idea. I've got a Fujitsu tablet computer with a screen that can be flipped and folded over the keyboard... it seems like it work work really well for Visual Pinball. (Is that still supported?)
@mrburns366
4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to do the same with my cell phone and put my face REALLY close... ;) ;P
@TacticalPower88
4 жыл бұрын
@@mrburns366 A tablet would probably work alot better lol
@LemonRush7777
4 жыл бұрын
After you finish, put it sideways and play Shmups.
@kevsteele
4 жыл бұрын
So, this appears to be a port of "The Pinball Arcade" by Farsight Studios. Since they lost the Williams/Bally license, I'm assuming the Gottlieb tables are all they still have a license for.
@yvesnyfelerph.d.8297
4 жыл бұрын
They still do have Sterns though...
@figment1988
4 жыл бұрын
That's what it is - a tweaked version of The Pinball Arcade, but with the alphanumeric (and electromechanical in the case of Big Shot and Jacks Open) Gottlieb games
@Alexis40ar
4 жыл бұрын
LOL the ball seems like it’s floating on air. They should have licensed Pinball FX 3 engine which is awesome.
@baddoomguy1986
3 жыл бұрын
Or used Visual Pinball X which is free and open source, told people to download tables, and told Farsight to piss off.
@DaHaiZhu
4 жыл бұрын
The Bezels are for your BEER!!! 🍻
@loop5
4 жыл бұрын
and the latency so you can take a zip in between sips
@Zoyx
4 жыл бұрын
Hope they come out with a Bally or Williams version. Also, hope they take care of the latency.
@figment1988
4 жыл бұрын
Arcade1Up is making the Bally tables as they have the license with Zen Pinball
@theoldar
4 жыл бұрын
Mine is wrapped under the tree. I am looking forward to Christmas morning.
@b.o.353
4 жыл бұрын
Spot on review with the slow mo latency. Wish they had spent a little more on the CPU and got rid of the latency
@WonkoTSane
4 жыл бұрын
The latency is a factor of the display not the CPU. It is possible that it can be fixed with an update to the display. It is the same as playing your Xbox on a TV that is set to movie mode rather than game mode. Even with it set up correctly it is still not as responsive as a real machine though.
@spacecowboyfpv5511
4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see V2 of this. V1 is clearly crappy but the idea is gold. FIX IT AND TAKE MY MONEY
@furrymessiah
4 жыл бұрын
This looks an awful lot like a reskin of The Pinball Arcade, right down to the instructions mode and achievements. They have all 12 games in their DLC library as well.
@ivandavidmacinas3257
4 жыл бұрын
I believe they partnered up, as the FarSight Studios channel posted an ad for this machine.
@Yaoau
4 жыл бұрын
That thicccc boarder kill this for me. No sure, I don't like it
@travallen5481
4 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to trim bezel and put a bigger screen on it.
@ADR69
4 жыл бұрын
Even a logo or border sticker could help immensely
@Zogtee
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can't get past that giant bezel. Even some generic artwork there would have helped a lot.
@Nephyness
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. That bezel is just awful. I am surprised they didn't put any art on it.
@ninjamaster3453
4 жыл бұрын
Probably be OK with a 32". Those ain't expensive. Probably will be offered in future.
@jayhunts8667
4 жыл бұрын
Not bad looks fun and for the price can't go wrong
@WickedGamerCollector
4 жыл бұрын
Toy Shark is expensive toy virtual pinball, same here love to have virtual pinball some day. Great Video Review like always ETA Prime ! :D EDIT - 5:50 very important when playing these virtual pinball games. thanks for showing !
@GforceMI1965
4 жыл бұрын
I've been considering making one of these and slapping a PC inside for Pinball FX, could probably use an old Dell/HP Office PC.
@redperson11
4 жыл бұрын
I would love to just see everything you have. You seem to have so many things i haven't even seen in stores, like this.
@peachjackson3856
3 жыл бұрын
Argh! That latency really is a dealbreaker. Kinda like THE biggest deal with pinball. So disappointed! I was totally about to start saving for one of these. Thanks so much for reviewing it in such great detail! 👍
@retrorewindllc9363
4 жыл бұрын
Get sum of those plastic bed frame leg raisers to raise it. There like a big plastic block that's made for legs of beds to sit into to make taller, but would work great for this, comes in black plus can get em @ Walmart! Simple solution
@ETAPRIME
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea!!!! I’m gonna pick some up Tomorrow. Thank you that will work perfectly!
@retrorewindllc9363
4 жыл бұрын
@@ETAPRIME yea np! Hope they work good for u. I use them for about the same, really is a cheap decent solution to raise machines , I even used them to make a raised platform for the one ups!!
@Colin_Ames
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s too bad, considering the intended market. It wasn’t built for aficionados of real pinball machines, and wasn’t meant to compete with systems from companies like GRS, which are way more expensive. It’s a toy, and will be played by kids who have never played a real table. The price is a little high, but it will probably drop after Christmas.
@wetoutLL
4 жыл бұрын
I wish you'd make virtual pinball videos and how to set it up in Launch box, emulators, etc
@FatNorthernBigot
4 жыл бұрын
Digital pinball? New one on me! Looks great fun, though.
@Diedonacagedworld
4 жыл бұрын
Thats really cool for what you get. Ironically I would want a smaller one lol. I live in a camper. When there cheaper might keep one at a friend's house.
@benlogan100
4 жыл бұрын
I love the idea here, but ball physics need work.
@jothain
4 жыл бұрын
I was looking everything else that wasn't good, but then actually looked at the gameplay and oh dear god they really need to work with physics :D That's just absolutely horrible.
@Singuy888
4 жыл бұрын
I thought it's the video but does look like the ball is extremely floaty. Far cry vs vpx
@BIGMIKE360AMUSEMENTS
4 жыл бұрын
The Nudge has a faster response than the actual flipper buttons. I wish you can add more games on here instead of modding the entire pinball machine. On a scale from 1-10 what is your rating on this game?
@MrLloydFletcher
4 жыл бұрын
I'd paint the bezel black. The gray color looks weird on it. Other than that, I want one!
@GenGamesUniverse
4 жыл бұрын
I'd personally put a custom bezel on there.
@figment1988
4 жыл бұрын
I know that a game Graphics Company is selling a custom bezel artwork that matches the motif of haunted house
@Joshn714
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reveiwing this machine. I have a digital pincab in my house and always interested in what's going on in the digital pinball market. Black Hole is a very addicting table!
@thomashounsome7737
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a great little machine, I would happily pick one up but the latency is really a deal-breaker.
@uksewingmachineservice7030
4 жыл бұрын
Looks brilliant mate nice one don 🤠🇬🇧👍👍👍
@teddym2808
4 жыл бұрын
Man even when you had it at normal speed, I could "feel" the latency through the vid. I could never get used to that and makes it an 100% deal breaker at this stage.
@FranktheTank319
4 жыл бұрын
How is the ball physics, though? That's what I want to know.
@ivandavidmacinas3257
4 жыл бұрын
This is just a modified version of The Pinball Arcade. You can play the free trial of the various tables (and more). For me, it's good enough.
@b.o.353
4 жыл бұрын
Android version of pinball arcade.
@MoviesNGames007uk
4 жыл бұрын
Disappointing they lost the licenses for the base games tables Im just glad I purchased all of the packs in time. Pinball FX 3 is a good alternative though l.
@ivandavidmacinas3257
4 жыл бұрын
@@MoviesNGames007uk I hope that Pinball FX3 acquires the Gottlieb tables, mainly Haunted House and Cue Ball Wizard.
@craigepeel4320
4 жыл бұрын
how can a bigger monitor be added?
@modeljetjuggernaut4864
9 ай бұрын
Why does there seem like a lot of lag on gameplay. You mentioned the flippers but its choppy everywhere else. Or is my wifi connection slow..
@iamtheflu
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the latency exists because of the lack of power in the CPU. It's unable to run the tables accurately enough to limit the latency. I'm still interested though. I would probably replace the computer and eventually the field display. I could do the recroom masters cabinet, but this seems like a little less effort. I'll look into it more.
@ADR69
4 жыл бұрын
So is it basically a 24 inch monitor turned 90*? If there's a normal digital interface it may be replaceable to help with that border.
@superduty4556
4 жыл бұрын
Can we get a game room tour? Apologies if you already did one.
@charmainegoree766
2 жыл бұрын
I’m just coming across this video now I hope they fix the lag that you were talking about because my machine is arriving today and the price jumped to $600
@000jimbojones000
4 жыл бұрын
i build my 24" pinball out of used pc parts... 2 used monitors (40 Euros) a used core 2 quad pc for 20 Euros. Used PC 3in1 speaker system 5 Euros. a 120 GB ssd with windows and tables 20 Euros. Buttonset (8 Euros) + the wood and work... So you can build a better system like this for around 100 Euros if you make it DIY and use used parts. Also its fun to do so. good thing is the marque display changes when you use pinballx. and you can add tons of tables. Mine has around 400 now.
@CementRoots
4 жыл бұрын
yep this is true... I built a standard 40" for under $1000...
@GenGamesUniverse
4 жыл бұрын
honestly I'd be tempted to get one, gut out everything (i.e. change the screens so that they're two monitor style screens as well as the buttons), slap custom decals on there and get a custom PC with Future Pinball on.
@LCOmusic
4 жыл бұрын
XTheVideoGamerGirlX same honestly. I have a DIY mini cabinet already, and a full size cabinet in the works, but I’m going to try to keep an eye out for sales on this because it would be a fantastic target for mods.
@CementRoots
4 жыл бұрын
not worth the time or the money.... start from scratch
@atariforever2002
4 жыл бұрын
How can they leave the flippers timing screwed up?!? Thats essential too pinball. That will be a no for me.
@kyles8524
4 жыл бұрын
Cool I own several real pinball machines one being black hole and the huge problem here is the balls move way slower than they should
@CantankerousDave
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, Black Hole, I haven’t seen that table since I was little. I played tons of pinball in the early nineties, but not Gottlieb. Gilligan’s Island and Addams Family were more my jam.
@Sydneyadventuretours
4 жыл бұрын
Latency sucks ...thanks for the good review I’ll hold off till a better unit come’s along
@scottishgamer7210
4 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if they added a usb so you could download your pinball games
@AlexVandeBunte
4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to follow ETA PRIME on a custom (or even pre-built) digital pinball build journey! I hope to have one in my home within the next five years. In the meantime, thank you for giving us a look at this off-the-shelf possibility!
@kepler240
3 жыл бұрын
the flipper lag is the same on "pinball arcade" which I also returned because of this same issue.
@ozzie.l.6035
4 жыл бұрын
Wow kool pinball machine,i like it..i wish I would have the space to have one of those..
@stephanietarkenton491
Жыл бұрын
Hello is there a way to get in touch with them. My machine needed a replacement plunger and Hall effect pbc
@FuncleNaeNae
4 жыл бұрын
When you do the mod on it make sure you put SPACE CADET.
@michaelkaybecker
4 жыл бұрын
I have been trying to find a good version of space cadet for my digital pin but there hard to find a decent copy
@XavierP56
2 жыл бұрын
Can the plunger be replaced if broken ? How hard ? Thanks.
@jnkmal9519
4 жыл бұрын
That latency is gross. I don't understand why game controllers are released before bugs like this are ironed out. Unacceptable.
@DoubleG247
4 жыл бұрын
Who likes Bally/Williams over Gottlieb? Your thoughts 💭
@loganq
4 жыл бұрын
It depends on the time period really. But the System 80 machines are fantastic.
@timdawg9198
4 жыл бұрын
I need Williams!
@stinkypinkeee5085
4 жыл бұрын
Data East made the incredible Star Wars machine in the early 90's...that table alone puts them in rarified air...Bally-Midway made some amazing games, but Gottlieb did as well...so very hard to pick between them...
@figment1988
4 жыл бұрын
Most Gottlieb pinball tables were very good, and many arcade operators loved the tables because their dot Matrix displays didn't eat up as much energy as the Williams tables
@ThomasGrillo
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demo. Looks pretty interesting.
@manipulationstation2454
4 жыл бұрын
Almost worth it for Black Home alone Haunted House is a great one also. Always loved Gottleib tables......Good Lord I'm getting old lol!
@octoman_games
4 жыл бұрын
time to see mods!!!!
@stevenwheat3621
4 жыл бұрын
Give it alittle time. They will come..
@KrisRatliff75
4 жыл бұрын
Good morning ETA Prime. It looks like the machine is running the Pinball Arcade app. I have that on my 1st gen Pixel XL and have several games. I wonder if the interface can accept additional pins?
@ChadWSmith
4 жыл бұрын
I am not sure I've ever heard of a digital pinball machine before (other than just normal video games) - one set up like an actual pinball machine is pretty awesome. Now I want to dive into videos of people building their own using RPis or other SBC or PCs.
@MannyDer
4 жыл бұрын
I found VP a few months back. I ended up putting a 60" tv in portrait next to my main tv just for VP. I even made a controller out of wood and arcade buttons the same width as a normal table. There is a huge community of people into this. The best IMO is VP on the HTC VIVE. So cool to play a 20 ft pinball table
@chibang492
4 жыл бұрын
I wish they would of made this based on the Black Hole cabinet with spinning black Hole backbox instead of Haunted House. Then I would of bought it. Never the less, it's a pretty cool concept. However, I dont need one of these because I have a decent collection of original real full sized pinball machines. There ain't nothin like the real thang baby.
@TXetc
4 жыл бұрын
These are sweet. I’d like to do a Pokemon Pinball build maybe. Kinda bored of tinkering with the Arcade1Ups and want to do something new.
@malakaibrown94
4 жыл бұрын
it looks like its using the pinball arcade versions of these tables now how can we hack it so we can have all the tables available for that version
@gaeljehnno
4 жыл бұрын
I have paid les them that for my pinball ( old electromechanical bally, all 3 of them).
@sightingson18wheels
4 жыл бұрын
Aww man.. Now I need a raise, or second job to buy this stuff! Will wait for the second run machines when they get the flipper issues worked out, or possibly make it upgradeable. Thank you once again for your wonderful review!
@davidcarper5411
3 жыл бұрын
A monitor with a faster refresh rate would solve the latency issue ?
@rushmore3927
3 жыл бұрын
The geometry skill of these companies is is hilarious. These aren't 3/4 scale. They're closer to half scale.
@UltraReefReseller
2 жыл бұрын
These are on sale for $549 now....399 was a steal, you just didn't know it.
@IRWPD
4 жыл бұрын
This is a cool idea for those who love pinball but don't have the space for a real one.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
4 жыл бұрын
Another Top Notch Review by ETA Prime! Well done as always good sir! For those who want to know MORE about this product including seeing some exclusive upcoming cabinet releases and improvements you may want to check out and join The Official Toy Shock Digital Pinball Fan Page on Facebook. Great community over there, well moderated! Toy Shock will be at CES next month as well (nudge nudge wink wink)! It is very difficult to cram a $5,000 Machine into a $400 Machine, for what it is, this Toy Pinball (it is definitely a TOY) is a lot of fun!
@douglasquaid4518
4 жыл бұрын
Part of the delay might be slapping the flipper buttons instead just rest your fingers on the buttons then push
@joeyjojojunior4886
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a physical pinball machine.
@melvinlovejones
4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video, thanks.
@Uncle-Jay
4 жыл бұрын
Input delay ruins it for me. Also should have some sort of knocking function to make it more realistic. Would have been an easy buy for me then.
@TomMinnick
4 жыл бұрын
Can it be modded? It looks like Farsight Studios maybe did the software/emulation? The font's, goals, etc, etc just seem like it.
@fred_derf
4 жыл бұрын
The legs aren't adjustable, so how do you level it? Note: The above is a joke, I'm sorry I have to point that out but so many people seem to be humour impaired these days…
@LucDesormeaux
4 жыл бұрын
You're awesome at doing tutorials. I really hope that you'll do a tutorial to setup the virtual pinpall "emulator". Not an easy task to set it up properly. :)
@EmergencyChannel
4 жыл бұрын
Should have done a blackhole theme imo. I hope they can get a Williams license, would love to see Black Knight 2000 and Bride of Pinball, both are in my opinion the peak of pinball design and pinball machines started majorly declining after.
@gmontoy153a
3 жыл бұрын
Is this latency common in all Vpin builds? Does anyone know?
@gorhor9006
4 жыл бұрын
...but can it be modified 🙏
@djm2373
4 жыл бұрын
I wish the bezel was green the same as Cab.
@beakerwick646
4 жыл бұрын
So if they do fix the latency, is there a way to update this thing?
@rushmore3927
4 жыл бұрын
ETA, like the Arcade 1ups, not sure on the geometry they are using to say this is 3/4 scale ;)
@jeffhernandez7594
4 жыл бұрын
As the kind of psycho who built his own full size cab, it's not hard do it yourself. These are the same versions that you can buy through steam on the pinball arcade. (but seriously, just wait for pinball fx3, it'w superior, or vpx which is superior to that)
@SuperCacahuete93
4 жыл бұрын
C'est trop genial ce flipper !
@graydogg51
3 жыл бұрын
Could just purchase some plastic bed risers from Walmart. They make them in two heights.
@RenManinJapan
4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm is it just me or... I have actually never heard of those pinball machines.. I’m a late 70’s, growing up in the 80’s. Arcades and skating rinks.. just never even played those!
@CementRoots
4 жыл бұрын
Gottlieb was more popular with there electromechanical pinball machines, these are there early Solid State machines.... Haunted House was the first two level machine.... as for this POS machine , it doesnt do these these machines any justice.... I built a video pinball a few years ago and it cost me a little over double... and its full size....
@zoasvideogamesarcadetours5336
4 жыл бұрын
Ya yay!!
@Chillywilly8818
2 ай бұрын
Dang could have atheist blended the bezel with cabinet art or made it black
@fred_derf
4 жыл бұрын
You say that the flipper-latency isn't really an issue and you're use to it, yet in the video I saw several occasions where you missed shots because of flipper-latency. That just makes me think you're not being honest in your criticism.
@MrJaz8088
4 жыл бұрын
If your into Pinball i have built a couple of Mini's, not that expensive, you will have old TV's or Monitor's, you will have a Zero Delay Encoder, and you will have buttons, I have working sets or VP9, VPX, FX2, FX3, Future Pinball, you just need 12mm MDF optional: Plunger/Nudge Kit, Full size different story you want all the toy's/extra's On that Toy you have there, the borders are way to wide the screen should be under-glass and lower, for a start
@MrJaz8088
4 жыл бұрын
My mini's like similar to the GRS version
@MrJaz8088
4 жыл бұрын
And no latency with mine
@ywcfuture3621
4 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason why you haven't done a tear down of the AtGames Legends Arcade yet like you said you were going to do? RetroRalph removed the heatsink in one of his videos, but he couldn't read the letters on the board for some reason. Really want to know the specs of that machine before buying.
@Loenne555
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah as Kevin Steele mentioned correctly, this is def the Pinball Arcade Android version, you can tell by the in-game menus, and it is obviously using some kind of custom frontend like Hyperpin or PinballX... The latency is also in the Android port when played on a "normal" android smartphone or tablet, one gets used to it, but from the looks of it here I can tell that the underlying hardware here is not up to snuff to handle the game, making the latency worse... This here looks like PBA played on my 5 year old Lenovo Tablet (interestingly enough, also a Rockchip powered device), looks almost slow motion, and def way slower than on an actual Shield TV, Samsung Galaxy A50, S10, Tab A6 or Huawei P20. Would be nice to see this device hacked though, as the last "complete" version of Pinball Arcade Android version (before they lost the Williams license) features exactly 100 (mostly awesome) tables.
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR
4 жыл бұрын
Would a UDOO RYZEN Bolt V1000 have worked better with no latency.
@KerryTheKid
4 жыл бұрын
Anyway to add extra pinball games?
@southerndandy4910
4 жыл бұрын
The state of that damn bezel.
@michaelturner4457
2 жыл бұрын
This looks very much like Farsight Studio - Pinball Arcade I have on my computer. On the computer can't say I've noticed any latency though, with either the flippers, or the plunger controls.
@grahamgreene1158
Жыл бұрын
Hello, can we add tables? thx
@drsuperfreak1
3 жыл бұрын
The sides are perfect to rest palms on. Why would you want to lean on glass????
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