Broken past 99k followers on Twitch, less than 1k to go for the huge giveaway, getting pretty hyped! Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu
@AdalbertSchneider_
4 жыл бұрын
If the phone was discord, sorry Flolo, Schneider 😜 Gut vid, gut points...
@arminiusmaximus5806
4 жыл бұрын
Flamu isnt that thing suposed to have torp reload booster in its smoke screen consumable slot?
@Panza1965
4 жыл бұрын
NEVER 2 million for a DD
@RandomGuy17768
4 жыл бұрын
@Flamu I greatly appreciate your review and honest opinion of WG ships, if I had not watched this video then I probably would have been that sucker who spent the 2 mil FXP on this ship.
@Steevo2004
4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the z-52? Got any suggestions on how to make it better?
@bastiangrau2791
4 жыл бұрын
You'd be better off unlocking Daring and Gearing with the 2 million FreeXP.
@SackMaggie
4 жыл бұрын
@@dragonflydreamer7658 with the exception of russian navy.
@user-yb6ih8tj3r
4 жыл бұрын
@@SackMaggie Balans Navy, comrade, Da, Da
@rocker10039
4 жыл бұрын
@@dragonflydreamer7658 what about balans?
@alexandrlarson7252
4 жыл бұрын
Completely ignore the kleber
@bent404
4 жыл бұрын
No, you could get the Gearing, Daring, AND Harugumo from I to X with 2.1M FXP.
@Wischmob_vE
4 жыл бұрын
Imho neither of the tier 10s are worth 2 million free exp, since they are not real premiums und thus will generate less income and xp than the tier 9 ships. Friesland > Smaland.
@thiagosantiago1704
4 жыл бұрын
that was what i was thiking... get a Alaska and a Friesland and be happy till the end of your life.
@danielkol477
4 жыл бұрын
If you can do better in T10 ship than in T9 then the credit modifier is negligible. Smaland will have radar, meme speed boost and fast reload torps so an interesting playstyle and a different one from Friesland.
@thiagosantiago1704
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielkol477 Smaland is somthing... But the Japanese one is probably a big NO. Unless you have nothing to do with free XP.
@danielkol477
4 жыл бұрын
@@thiagosantiago1704 I mean that's what FXP ships are becoming, resource sink. For 2M FXP I'd rather reset three lines instantly.
@skavies2351
4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the Missouri 700k free xp when it came out? I see no reason to spend 2 million free exp on any single tier 10 ship.
@sappinmahsentrys
4 жыл бұрын
"people have too much free xp and can skip our terrible grind for free when we release new trees what do we do" "ayy just make two ships cost 2m free xp" "brilliant"
@notaidan4451
4 жыл бұрын
“Let’s also remove the #1 source of free xp. Da.”
@P99AT
4 жыл бұрын
"If they put the Alaska at two million..." Don't give WeeGee any ideas, Flamu.
@suprashank
4 жыл бұрын
WG already regrets selling the Missouri for 750k
@Sunnyboy-ob4xz
4 жыл бұрын
Good or not, 2mil free Xp is sometning I don't tnink I'll ever get..... took me about 500 hrs to save up 800k, pretty sure I'll lose interest in the game before getting 2 million lol
@hullygan8476
4 жыл бұрын
Бојан Павловић Belorussians*
@supercustodiam2197
4 жыл бұрын
Woow another awful IJN premium, imagine thaat... Seriously, after the Azuma, Yuudachi, and Yahagi being awful ships, why bother with new IJN premiums anymore if they keep making them suck so much? I feel like Yoshino is the only decent one and that was after they downtiered Azuma, split her into Yoshino for tier X and added torpedoes.
@crucisnh
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think that the Azuma was awful. I think that it'd be better to describe it as underwhelming. Ditto for the Yoshino. What I don't like about them is that the Devs made them into pure HE spamming snipers due to their bad armor and weak AP. What I don't get is how they could think that this was a good thing. Compare them to Alaska, Kronstadt, and Puerto Rico. Those ships all have good ammo and solid armor, and really OP. Strong yes, but not IMO OP. (Yes, the Stalingrad goes beyond strong and into the realm of OP.) How would it have been a bad thing to have given the two IJN super cruisers useful armor and good AP to go with their good HE? I can't see how they'd have been any more powerful than these three supercruisers? It just seems that in their quest to try to create IJN super cruisers that had a much different flavor than other nations' super cruisers, they ended up making super cruisers that simply weren't good, super cruisers that had no flexibility in their play style.
@chrise2621
4 жыл бұрын
While i agree azuma is plain bad, i dont feel any of those other ships are all that bad. Yoshino atleast has the 30mm deck and walls of skill, yudachi is imo pretty good for a t7 dd, on par with sims and z39 in her own way. Yahagi is plain fun, sure the guns are few and small with a bleh reload, but its fast, sneakier than most at t5 and those torpedoes are brutal, especially with many bb drivers at that tier sailing straight ahead the entire game. Atago is super solid at t8. Now the IJN bb premiums, definately hit or miss, mutsu is ok due to overmatch, ashitaka is just plain bad, but kii holds her own decently well. Wouldnt pay 2 mil for this ship tho, or any t10 "premium". If they had the credit bonus of a t9 i might, but otherwise ill take the chance of getting a t9 game with no smolesters and deal if its a t10 game.
@arker24
4 жыл бұрын
I play IJN all the time I have Kaga, Musashi, Yahagi, Mutsu, Ashitaka and the list go's on.. I hate how they did the Yahagi light cruser, Kaga had good apc bombs before the rework of the CV did 7k on bonkers of pillbox and naval defenses, and it had good planes not paper shit WG vision . Some IJN BBs secondary are jast shit, IRL it wast that bad like in this game.. Japanese torps that the Shimakaze and Akizuki and Kagero had were oxygen bace fuelled and enemy didn't see them till it was to late some report less then 600 miters not shit 2.5 km.. And no defensive fire on a DD line on the IJN dds that meant for AAW wtff.. and why remove the torpedo reload booster from so many IJN dds that had the creins of the reload of torps in the top torrents by a houseing next the torrents on so many dds of the IJN, I say after all this this game gon to swear to me. I hate WG mentality!!
@oppaiomanko
4 жыл бұрын
Revenge for tsushima comrade
@youhyunnam9426
4 жыл бұрын
@@arker24 you'd be glad that WG didn't make the yamato and musashi's secondaries like their real life counterparts. The 155mm guns on those ships had 25mm armour and due to poor design, the ammo rooms of the secondaries and the main guns are close to each other. And that means that there's a chance that DD guns can detonate the yamato. Secondary armaments are far inferior in the game compared to real life. Their range is butchered and their aim is poor. It isn't only the ijn BBs that have those problems, every BB line except secondary build german BBs have that issue.
@crossfirerambo
4 жыл бұрын
"Hey bro can I copy your homework" "Sure just change it a little so it doesn't look obvious"
@nikanotsane
4 жыл бұрын
100k is so close. I think on next week
@JV-lq3tx
4 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to get my hands on the Smaland, but no ship is worth 2 million free xp.
@grimmshredsanguinus2915
4 жыл бұрын
2 alaskas
@RedXlV
4 жыл бұрын
1 million would be more reasonable.
@GravityTrash.
4 жыл бұрын
@Luna Valentine If being a whale is prem account only with flags you earn then sure but netting 20k free xp a battle is fairly easy if you allow prem
@Jarulck
4 жыл бұрын
Given all the problems the Hayate has, you might as well as run a Shimakaze built for the guns. It'll probably do better overall, and that's kind of just sad when you think about it.
@yuf3660
4 жыл бұрын
After the many buffs that the IJN 127mm DD guns have received, gun Shima isn't actually that bad... although Yuugumo has the exact same gun setup at a tier lower. Makes me think maybe they shoulda made Shima's legendary mod improve the guns as part of their "alternative playstyle" intention with those modules.
@GravityTrash.
4 жыл бұрын
@@yuf3660 Not buffs its just old nerfs they did a roll back on
@Billy_The_Dog
4 жыл бұрын
2 million is WAY too much, when they only charged 750000 for Missouri and only 1 million for Alaska, Azuma, etc... Half the costs fo Hayate and Småland and then maybe we can talk...
@cl4ster17
4 жыл бұрын
750K for Missouri was relatively comparable to or even more expensive than 2M now. Back then we weren't flooded with signals and camos and 750K was extremely expensive. For that you got yourself a powerful T9 BB for that time with a ridiculous credit multiplier but Hayate is mediocre at best since Kitakaze can do almost everything better.
@TheRobbiUno
4 жыл бұрын
cl4ster17 rubbish, I used lots of premium camos and flags in 2017 (3 years ago) to get Missouri
@cl4ster17
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRobbiUno I don't recall farming 40K FXP per game back then.
@jamielonsdale3018
4 жыл бұрын
@@cl4ster17 Except Kitakaze can't do the following things: Captain grinding without retraining, XP and credit multipliers. Standard tier Clan Wars. Surprise enemy DD's when a Japanese DD uses its guns; everyone knows the Kitakaze is a gunboat and therefore they dont under-estimate the ability of the Kitakaze to gun them down. I'm pretty sure I have more kills with my Yugumos guns that her torpedoes, but I'm not 100% on that, and the other DD is sailing like he's already doing torpedo beats, and only half heartedly gunning me. I'll give them a wide-angle torp spread for the alarm and lucky hit, but I'm under no illusions a skilled gunboat captain would dodge a torp reload booster spread with relative ease so I only launch 1 set and hold the rest of my launch for denying them their quickest retreat path to cover, if there's any nearby. That is usually a much better use of her torps tbh
@cl4ster17
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamielonsdale3018 I don't see Hayate being relevant for clan battles because of its concealment and clumsiness, at least for how we use DDs. Being T10 it doesn't offer any premium benefits outside of not having to retrain a captain. I agree with your point that the average player underestimates IJN DD guns but because of the huge number of potatoes in high tiers it doesn't have that much of an impact. I've seen enough DDs pick a fight with superior gunboats.
@anidiot2818
4 жыл бұрын
175k coal for commander, 2m free xp for 1 tier 10 ships? Who's making up these numbers??? Waiting for the day, when research bureau ships will be cheaper for free xp then free xp ships.
@mishkata348
4 жыл бұрын
They are getting there XD
@ryanbrochu3336
4 жыл бұрын
Who's making up these numbers??? The very same @$$hats that thought the 20/20 Xmas event was "fair and reasonable".
@laytonlacorte8107
4 жыл бұрын
Greedy commies at WG headquarters. That's who. Bunch of ex KGB gulag commandants. "Nyet, comrade. Is not your free xp. Is OUR free xp."
@Bierstadt54
4 жыл бұрын
The day will come, but I won't be playing this game by then to see it.
@greyowul
4 жыл бұрын
Old UI is blessed Long DD icon is very cursed
@SalvaBarbus
4 жыл бұрын
I still can't see the logic behind designing a ship that has to have a shorter hull than a Shimakaze (because of the missing torp launcher), but has way worse concealment and maneuverability. I mean, fixing it would be as easy as giving it concealment between Shima and Kagero and you would have a nasty ambusher DD.
@davideporcaro7069
4 жыл бұрын
stares intensively at the ship: H A Y A T E I'll see myself out.
@thebudgieadmiral5140
4 жыл бұрын
I was kinda looking forward to this ship. But for that price tag? And with these issues?
@bushyfromoz8834
4 жыл бұрын
So I can have the Alaska and the Friesland instead of this thing?
@comrademod4503
4 жыл бұрын
No ship is worth 2 million exp in my book. You're far better off getting those two than spending 2 mil on the hayate.
@bushyfromoz8834
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I probably wont get he Alaska either, my average connection makes anything over 14km or so a bit hit and miss in terms of hitreg. Better off sticking to DD's anyway.
@hotpenguin607
4 жыл бұрын
And either of the ships u mentioned have much better gameplay experience than Hayate, lmao
@thegreenfather1978
4 жыл бұрын
Her stats are WAY closer to the Kitakaze's. She trades pen, aa and some concealment for more torps. But one tier higher. At tier IX, I think she would be very good.
@cl4ster17
4 жыл бұрын
200m is a actually a huge deal for DDs. The only reason for Hayate to exist is that torpedo reload booster. If you want to run smoke Hayate, you might as well take Kitakaze which is similar or better in every aspect and gets T9 MM and economy.
@thegreenfather1978
4 жыл бұрын
@@cl4ster17 TRB? Better run the Yuugumo, then. You have the exact same torps, but better concealment and maneuvrability. The ONE thing different to other japanese DDs is her guns, you gotta take what compliments them: smoke.
@Hanimichal
4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for these information, I am already with 1.5 million free XP and was grinding for this one, but now I know to not not buy anymore
@terranceroff8113
4 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that the Hayte has TRB, and that changes the ships capabilities..that means a wall of 20 torps. essentially a super Kagero.
@Zeon087
4 жыл бұрын
Basically, a Tier X version of the HSF Harekaze with two more torpedoes, but worse concealment and no option for Torp reload booster.
@saltefan5925
4 жыл бұрын
A strictly worse TX Harekaze. *YAY*
@1stPCFerret
4 жыл бұрын
Something weird here. There were two Japanese destroyers named "Hayate." One weas built in 1906 and scrapped in 1924; the second was built in 1925 and sunk at the Battle of Wake Island, not a very illustrious career.
@CONxNOR
4 жыл бұрын
LOL spending 2 million free xp on a DD when CVs exists
@jamielonsdale3018
4 жыл бұрын
You know that pretty soon CVs will have their own problems, called submarines?
@Just_A_Random_Desk
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamielonsdale3018 oh yeah they're so scary when moving at 15 kts
@emmanuelmedina2740
4 жыл бұрын
@@Just_A_Random_Desk there's 20 minutes in a match
@jamielonsdale3018
4 жыл бұрын
@@Just_A_Random_Desk Yeah, they're still an issue. I have reversed in a BB from one corner of Ocean to the other in less than 20 minutes, just to test how stupid you really are. The answer? Really, really fucking stupid.
@Bierstadt54
4 жыл бұрын
I remember when WG asked us what resource to use for Hayate, and it felt like WG was recognizing that they needed to do something nice for the community. Then... they reveal that once again, the initial nice gesture was just a joke before they screwed us again. 2 mil free xp, for a ship they have made to be trash. It should have been 1.25, maybe 1.5 tops. But they just can't help themselves. They don't respect us. F them.
@YourFault
4 жыл бұрын
Wg listens to the community but also came out with innovative ideas to f us over on top of what we suggested in the end. Haha funny because it's their common practice as of late.
@thomasgallagher6935
4 жыл бұрын
IDK, it might be worth 10k
@justalog7475
4 жыл бұрын
You know shit is bad when Flamu starts comparing this to Z-52
@mirkomihovilovic1142
4 жыл бұрын
I'm really sure that they are still salty on the Russo Japanese war. Thus making underwhelming premiums for the ijn.
@AstralDragoon
4 жыл бұрын
If WG actually wants people to have these ships, I don't understand why they make them cost so much. If they're so determined to make ships that become exclusive to a small fraction of players, I'd rather they didn't develop the ships at all.
@jjcastleberry3662
2 жыл бұрын
On Dec 16th, 2021 I received IJN Hayate from the 8 Mega Boxes I opened. So I saved 2 million free XP. I'm here to see your build.
@Gundolf300
4 жыл бұрын
2020. The year WG still persist on sending people back to single player games 😂🎮
@luuk341
4 жыл бұрын
Still Harugumo master race! Outgunning smolensks with a DD is the best
@2020heinsite
4 жыл бұрын
Wargaming just discovered P.T. Barnum's business model: "There's a sucker born every minute & two (million) to take him."
@Omegawerewolfx
4 жыл бұрын
You just saved me 2 million FXP. I'm one game from Jervis right now and have 525,000 free xp saved up for the Hayate. I guess I'll be pushing Daring much sooner than expected :P If they sell for 500k, I would consider it. I already have the Shimmy and Haragumo, plus the Harakaze. Don't need the Hayate if this is what it is.
@b.b.5240
4 жыл бұрын
Not just Hell No but F__K NO! Go Home War Gaming, you're DRUNK!
@Sfirodrepanoskarxarias
4 жыл бұрын
Take it easy dude, no one forced you to get the Hayate...
@b.b.5240
4 жыл бұрын
@@Sfirodrepanoskarxarias my point is that one million is tough enough but two is not worth the grind
@alphax4785
4 жыл бұрын
While I do agree to an extent that the Hayate has been power crept since its introduction by Venezia, Kleber and even probably the upcoming Swedish line, showing us a 242k win (i.e. a fantastic game even by your standards) while being highly critical of the ship is kinda sending everyone, including WG, mixed messages... If you're going to criticize as you did, you should show situations where the Hayate is struggling not because of your fault, but because a Venezia is taking 5k off you at every turn or you get run down and killed by a Kleber or etc.
@UnexpectedInquisition
4 жыл бұрын
If they let it drop the smoke for torpedo reload, I could see some sort of niche for it. With those lazy shell arcs, you could hide behind islands and lob shells over rather than using smoke; and with torpedo reload, it would have 20 torp volley; so still not great DPS, but best alpha in the game. Would at least be an interesting gimmick.
@la_potat6065
4 жыл бұрын
Now we know why the IJN Type 5 127mm finally gets decent traverse and reload comparable to the USN 127mm. Because the literally removed 1/4th the armour of the Type 3 127mm on Shima, from 25mm to 6mm...
@Maxa1
4 жыл бұрын
Very cool 2017 clan battles reward ship. Wait, what year is it? WAIT, IT COSTS WHAT?
@davidwidener4955
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Flamu: I can't recommend this ship I did 242k dmg and 2700 base XP in LMAO!
@Markus-zb5zd
4 жыл бұрын
I think this thing really shows how OP the 100mm guns are
@gaborlaczko7190
4 жыл бұрын
"Fire starting capacity isnt anything special" then first salvo cause fire on Lion, first salvo casue fire on Conq, then again first salvo burns Lion who used dam con.
@emmanuelmedina2740
4 жыл бұрын
I think he's shitting on the shit just because of the price. He said the size and handling were bad when compared to the Shima, but didnt compare it to the Harugumo, which is in fact, a lot bigger and clunkier.
@richardnewrick6400
4 жыл бұрын
@@emmanuelmedina2740 no he did cite the harugumo turn radius and the fact that this boat lands right in the middle of gumo and shim
@alecadanglao8386
4 жыл бұрын
They might as well give the community 1k Papa Papa flags if it's gonna cost 2mil
@skarhabekgreyrukh8601
4 жыл бұрын
They already did
@dlegofan
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot to point out Hayate has the option to use TRB over smoke. Not that it matters, since the whole point of the ship is to be a gunboat, and with all it's flaws, trading the smoke would be straight up stupid, but it's the kind of thing that could easily trick people into thinking there's something there since you can throw 20 torps. Although, in reality, even trading the smoke for TRB, the amount of torps you can throw overall is not much higher than Shima's, and it only lasts for as long as you have charges of TRB left, at which point Shima immediately takes back the lead and zooms with it. Shima is just straight up better as a torp boat, and even as a gunboat, since despite having overall weaker guns, Shima outspots every other DD except LU Gearing, meaning it gets the time to turn away from a fight as well as the first shot advantage.
@endcsline0752
4 жыл бұрын
if you want to farm commander xp for 19 pt captain: just use the free xp on commander if you want credits: why waste money on 2m free xp and grind afterwards if you can just buy a life saving of silver if you just want a t10 dd: 2m free xp is enough for 2 whole tech dd lines the only reasons i know are: 1. historical ship, but at what cost 2. wants to own every ship 3. beginner thinking : expensive ship = pay to win ship 4. some hard masochistical CV-fetishes (just buy fr dd)
@Drink4Exp
4 жыл бұрын
I've stopped playing WOWS simply because the grind has just gotten to be too much for me. I was a good player, I'm STILL a good player, and I'm just done with it. It's too much; I don't have enough time in the day, the month, the YEAR for this. And I play Warframe, so this is saying a lot.
@pr0skis
4 жыл бұрын
SLAVA 10 million FXP. confirmed.
@25xxfrostxx
4 жыл бұрын
2 million? Maybe if they shaved a full minute off of that torpedo reload. As it sits, I would hesitate to buy this at half the price.
@SolidMitchRapp
4 жыл бұрын
I'm hoping this will be 1M free and ability to trade smoke with torp reload booster. But honestly Benham uptiered to T10 is a better ship.
@Ciorram1
4 жыл бұрын
You can calculate how much this ship will cost in realworld money because free xp has a value, and it comes to 80,000 doubloons or £246.4, €279.88, $307.84
@BugaBooJared
4 жыл бұрын
Would giving it torpedo reload consumable make it worth?
@BugaBooJared
4 жыл бұрын
Thought it would only have 12km torps?
@viniciusdesouzamaia
4 жыл бұрын
I think this ship needs basics. Either stealth, or shorter reload on the guns, or better ballistics, or better manueverability and speed or a combination of these elements. As a hybrid, her torps stand as a nice complement to her strengths, but they have to exist in the first place.
@repaleonhalo9754
4 жыл бұрын
Shimakaze needs reload booster.. Its alot fun on kagero and yugumo and then at tier 10 its gone 🤔
@BugaBooJared
4 жыл бұрын
Well with 3 racks you almost don't need one
@midend
4 жыл бұрын
yes actually
@Elgar7022
4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention how a single tier 10 is only 770k ish exp
@comrademod4503
4 жыл бұрын
full harugumo price is less than 700k.
@thebossness1440
4 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid to grind basically any strong silver ship line that's not Russian. What's to say that the Daring, Yamato, or Conqueror dont go the way of the nerf hammer that the Henri and Kleber experienced? Not to say that certain ships aren't balanced- but all the non-Soviet ones seem to eventually go to the way of mediocrity and not actual engaging and healthy changes.
@711jastin
4 жыл бұрын
the most valued ship up to date imo are smolensk and kamikaze.
@V4zz33
4 жыл бұрын
So basically you could get 2 fully researched ship lines with with tier 10s for just 1 single ship? - This would have been the case when the Missouri was around if I remember correctly.;)) With no uber credit boost, I would give a pass on this one.
@killawhale8726
4 жыл бұрын
maybe, just maybe, if it was a coal ship it would be worth considering. I could probably research 3 new tier 10s for 2 mil fxp
@hotpenguin607
4 жыл бұрын
Its like the features of Hayate just doenst synergize with each other
@EternalGaming786
4 жыл бұрын
I love Friedland one of the best ships I've spent F.EXP on. :3
@Aotearas
4 жыл бұрын
2 million free XP is just completely absurd. Tier IX free XP ships are 1 million free XP and that is already a price hike from the original 750k free XP. No ship is worth that much free XP. I would've thought WG would settle for something like 1.25kk free XP for the tier X ships, 1.5kk at the worst, but 2kk is just bollocks.
@Abed1984
4 жыл бұрын
The only advantage and the reason it might cost 2mil fxp is that she has got "torpedo reload booster" which makes you launch 20 Shima torpedos.
@happycatto9555
4 жыл бұрын
Still shima torps are Flamu said are bad in every single sense except damage. Like really, you should worry when a gearing with 10 torps hits more often than a ship with 15 torps. This explains a very bad situation for a "torpedo boat" that doesn't even really serve its purpose. It can work ut it is very very situational.
@d.c7464
4 жыл бұрын
The only way any ship is worth 2M free exp is if you already have every other line of ships completed. 2M free exp is 2 complete lines.
@nabusvco
4 жыл бұрын
Hayate is so thicc the clap of her guns alerts the enemy team
@keithw4920
4 жыл бұрын
Due to perfect Balans, I have decided to only grind/buy realistic Soviet ships from now on.
@pikkozoikum8523
4 жыл бұрын
My suggestion would be: Give her Shima concealment, but only the choice of 8km and 20km torps With this change, Shima would be still different and not replaced by this ship, but also Hayate becomes a good DD
@N1njaSnake
4 жыл бұрын
WG just had to discontinue some ships from the Steel section because they're not worth it. I guess this will be similar in the future.
@yuf3660
4 жыл бұрын
As someone who specialises in the IJN torp-boat line, and believes in the IJN 127mm guns (I actually run gun-build on Yuugumo)… even I don't want this garbage. I have well over 2m FXP, but I wouldn't spend even a quarter of that on it. The 0.5km better concealment that Shima has over this thing is worth WAY more for that playstyle than a slightly faster gun reload, even if you didn't lose a torp launcher. Even Shima upsets me slightly for being 0.1km worse conceal than Yuugumo, and clumsier too (even if its top speed is higher), so having a ship with even worse concealment and maneuvering is a huge turn-off. What I was hoping for from a T10 IJN DD is something that focuses on the IJN DD specialities of stealth and agility, since Shimakaze gives up a bit of this (compared to T8/9) in exchange for raw torp power. Instead they went the other way and gave these features up completely... and gave it nothing in return. :(
@ficklefingeroffate
4 жыл бұрын
Bitching about the boat while scoring 240K damage. Classic Flamu.
@SackMaggie
4 жыл бұрын
Here's what average ship look like, not a single thing stands out, this is purely balanced ship.
@thomasgallagher6935
4 жыл бұрын
underpowered is not equal to balanced
@emmanuelmedina2740
4 жыл бұрын
@@thomasgallagher6935 it only underpowered when compared to overpowered ships. Otherwise, its pretty balanced
@TheFreaker86
4 жыл бұрын
Even 1 million FXP is a very stiff price tag
@depth386
4 жыл бұрын
Is there a wikipedia article on this design? I imagine it’s a paper ship
@SackMaggie
4 жыл бұрын
But what if this ship were Russian version? 100knts speed a size of a car invisible ship 50 of shima torp, faster than light, and with a big 10 sec reload. hp equivalent to yamato *Next week WG release new Russian DD line with all ridiculous thing.
@roller_47
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine wanting to pay a ridiculous price for a tier X DD in today's meta
@FancyaBevMate
4 жыл бұрын
WG has £220 premium ships available! Forget license to kill this is license to print money! And there will be 100s of players buying doubloons to exchange for this ship! ;)
@SakuraShade
4 жыл бұрын
It's kind of a bummer that Hayate is 2 Million FXP (or probably will be) I was kind of excited for it since Somers is a bit out of reach at the moment. But for someone who doesn't have all the tech tree tier 10s, that's a hefty price to pay. That would get you through 2-3 seperate full tech lines, depending on the lines you go for. That being said, anybody have a good DD line to recommend grinding in the current meta? I did Gearing a while back, but haven't bothered to do any others given the current state of the game.
@thomaswp2706
4 жыл бұрын
RN DD's Mostly for Daring. For Daring you get Sheer DPM on the Guns with great firing starting capacity. Usable Torps. While slow it is nimble aswell. On-Demand Smoke to protect from CV's. Heal so you can stay in the fight. AP with improved angles. And next Patch the IFHE changes will be such that you no longer need IFHE for Daring.
@SakuraShade
4 жыл бұрын
thomaswp2706 thanks for the comprehensive recommendation man, appreciate it. I’ll give them a whirl :)
@marcofava
4 жыл бұрын
Grozovoi or Daring lines are best in the current CV heavy matchmaking
@tpaktop2_1na
4 жыл бұрын
So Flamu you are saying the Hayate is another Snowflake ship for Co-Op if you get it for your port? So we can expect to get steel 2 times a year for the Hayate. I still wonder why this ship is so hyped by WG? BTW, I do own two Alaskas. And tone was free (Black) through a cate.
@laytonlacorte8107
4 жыл бұрын
Everybody brace for WG to completely ignore their CC's once again and release Hayate for 2mil anyway. What a ridiculous pricetag. I voted for it to be fxp, but I had in mind that it would be 1.25mil or 1.5mil at the *most*. Y'know, basically the sum cost of pretty much any DD line in the game in fxp + 500k extra because of its premium economic advantages. 2 million fxp is utterly ridiculous and WG should be ashamed of themselves (among many other things) for taking advantage of that poll to extort the playerbase out of ALL their fxp. And I was legitimately excited for the Smaland too! That's more my speed as far as DD's go... I like the gunboats. And they're gonna make it 2mil? I hope it's just an error in translation and the currency they mean is *Rubles*. There, that makes sense. Rubles shoulda been an option in the poll. Sell these ships for a currency as utterly worthless as WG's care for their playerbase. Greedy commies.
@jakecomerford5588
4 жыл бұрын
T10 "premiums" are not actually premium. They are "special" meaning no economic bonuses besides what you get from T10 permacamo, and the ability to slot any captain.
@laytonlacorte8107
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakecomerford5588 Then that's even worse. Only reinforces my point that WG is deliberately shafting its players. I for one will never spend another penny on this game because of it.
@jakecomerford5588
4 жыл бұрын
@@laytonlacorte8107 I have severly cut down on my spending. I use to buy every new high tier premium but since Puerto Rico I haven't spent a dime. Part of me wants to quit but with the amount of money I've spent on this game its almost like an investment, so i cant.
@laytonlacorte8107
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakecomerford5588 Man I felt that in my soul. I want to quit too, but I have every tech-tree tier X besides the CV's and almost every premium tier X too, including Ohio and almost Colbert. It's a lot of time and money, but WG is doing everything in their power to drive me away, and it's about to work.
@TheGelini
4 жыл бұрын
So, that means in Update 0.9.2 they will begin the European event arc with early access to European destroyers where we can get them up to T9. In 0.9.3 we get the Smaland and the Hayate for 2 mil FXP each but for around 250k we could get the Holland instead as a T10 and could save some FXP for the Russian CAs? Smart move... Don't know who is calculating this but 2 mil is crazy. You could research like two lines with that amount of FXP! Some people got everything in the game and got that many FXP to spent but that’s like what less than 5%? Casual players would need months of grinding or more than 200 bucks to convert FXP. Was looking forward to Smaland but instead I’ll just get Marceau for coal with the upcoming Coupon...
@robertcorsini4399
4 жыл бұрын
A special tier 10 mod changes it into ULTRA MAN
@achunkyduck9740
4 жыл бұрын
This ship would have been good years ago. So much op shit in the game rn no point
@HitBoxMaster
4 жыл бұрын
The Salt of Tsushima strikes again!
@todaysgrailtomorrowsbeater
4 жыл бұрын
I bought this and I’m using a harugumo captain with shima style torp equipment and reload booster
@XanderDraft
4 жыл бұрын
At a million free do I would have considered this ship. At 2 mil not a chance unless it gets super buffed. At the moment I’m just saving free xp for the new Russian ships that will come out with the cruiser split.
@carstenhansen5757
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's great they make it so unrealistic for new players to get their hands on this...
@Kampbeltown
4 жыл бұрын
I disagree here flamuu, this ship needs to be played like a torpedoboat, in which case taking TRB is a must so you actually have an advantage over Shimakaze at the cost of the smoke, as a gunboat you're better off with Harugumo or Kitakaze (32mm pen) or just playing another T10 gunboat (Daring, Grozovoi?)
@deltasource56
4 жыл бұрын
Its a xp sink for people like you flamu that have all the ships and all the free xp in the world
@solardwagon1526
4 жыл бұрын
Oof, 2 million is ridiculous. I was pretty interested in smaland but that price alone is making me reconsider that, a ship I was actually interested in.. let alone this. Although the 240k game does make it look pretty nice.
@primastanislaus9184
4 жыл бұрын
Its Japanese Falmu, pointless is a synonym in WG's Book
@greasemonkey6362
4 жыл бұрын
well I have the Free XP . . . but . . . Naa I'll give this a miss thank you . . . I'll just keep saving the Free XP till something good comes up . Thanks for the Heads up Flamu .
@crucisnh
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this is sort of what you get when you vote to have the Hayate sold for FXP. Should have voted to have it sold for coal, and you'd have known pretty much what the sale price was going to be, and it'd have been fairly reasonable. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, just had to vote for FXP, and you have only yourselves to blame. As for the ship itself, releasing this ship as Flamu has eloquently described is ridiculous. IMO, it should have a concealment of around 5.8 to 5.9 km, and a torp reload reduced to something that's competitive with tier 10 DDs like the Gearing and Shimmy, etc.
@douglaswilliams210
4 жыл бұрын
"Not very good at starting fires" Sets 11 fires, 7 in the first 7 minutes of the game....
@viniciusdesouzamaia
4 жыл бұрын
Dude, Its ijn he, the fire chance is high, but look at ballistics and rate of fire and you'll understand.
@douglaswilliams210
4 жыл бұрын
@@viniciusdesouzamaia i know. Just thought it was funny to hear him say fire chance is low as he sets his 6 or 7th fire in as many minutes lol
@emmanuelmedina2740
4 жыл бұрын
@@viniciusdesouzamaia doesn't matter. He was talking about the fires. 11 fires is very damn good. Besides he keep comparing it with the Daring, which has one of the best fire chances on a DD at 8% with 2.5 sec reload speed. Highest fire chance on an IJN DD is shima at 9% with nearly 6 seconds of reload. People keep saying the IJN gunboats have better fire chance when they dont. Its 5% The only DD with higher fire chance is Kleber sitting at 11%
@zwen3763
4 жыл бұрын
2 million Free XP? My good old Missie sounds like a bargain.
@lucaslu5125
4 жыл бұрын
What WG should do long time ago is shutting down PVE mode, take back what those PVE guys’ earning, teach them how to get better by play random battles. The PVE mode just make fexp cheap and make PVP players harder to get fexp ships. Now I wonder when will fexp price become astronomical large.
@Mr.P.Griffith
4 жыл бұрын
How long does it take an average player to reach 2 million free exp? I'm a wot player so that goal seems unreachable without a cash money investment.
@greyfoxdelta
4 жыл бұрын
That's the thing I don't get. Why the hell did people vote for Free Exp rather than Coal. Since IMO, coal is easier to get for everyone rather than 2 million free exp. Plus with that amount, you can get the Alaska and other tech tree ships for that same cost. It's mental to think that a single ship would cost 2 million free exp
@bradleynugent4991
4 жыл бұрын
wargaming news today says she can mount torpedo reload booster, and that her concealment is only slightly worse than shima
@MrSchmekker
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like it has HAragumo Hull, Daring guns and whatever torps :D
@flashkyu6935
4 жыл бұрын
2M Free XP for a T10 Destroyer?Are they drunk?
@therevanchist1123
4 жыл бұрын
I’d rather save 2mil free xp for something truly special all these ships are just for players whole already have all the other free xp ships and nothing to spend it on.
@CeKyPuTo
4 жыл бұрын
I agree its not good enought for this price of 2 mil Free XP! BUT I have all Tier X ships in the game, have all tier IX ships available for FXP! So in my case (and many others i assume) on what to spend near 7 mil FXP that i have? Im gonna get it, might not play it much, but will have it just for decoration!
@YC-ls4yx
4 жыл бұрын
They are basing these price on playing with all special flags mounted, but even me, a big effing whale, have only 200 of them.
@skarhabekgreyrukh8601
4 жыл бұрын
Two million free XP???? FRRRIIEESSland everyone!!!
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