I got a new microphone starting with this video, so let me know what you guys think of it!
@someguy2338
6 ай бұрын
It's good. Keep it.
@Harrymation-productions
6 ай бұрын
Didn’t notice a difference
@largechild9941
6 ай бұрын
It certainly records sound
@uriahrootsva
6 ай бұрын
A slight improvement for sure. Though I think everyone's more concerned with the new avatar art style; personally I don't think it fits your vibe, your last few were much better, but that's just me. I know there are some that are all for it.
@CynInfectedTriTitanOfficial
6 ай бұрын
50K Mic? W.
@yaboylou7967
6 ай бұрын
I’m gonna say it, but inserting the war on heaven in the first season would be the equivalent of having Weirdmaggedon in the first season of Gravity Falls.
@Undergamer12
6 ай бұрын
Stanford appearing in like episode 6
@toastysweaters5692
6 ай бұрын
Half of the major plot points in this show could’ve been way more impactful if they were built up throughout S1, and THEN having a payoff for S2, instead of being shoved in all at once in the first 8 episodes. Ex: the dead angel mystery, Vaggie being an angel, visiting heaven for the first time, hell vs heaven war, etc, etc, etc.
@nehen2225
6 ай бұрын
Holy shit this is a perfect analogy...
@cubinel
6 ай бұрын
jotaro vs dio on season 1 episode 6
@nicholasaugello2534
6 ай бұрын
@runningispointliess I mean imagine if they Flew to Dio directly and didn't get their Plane to Egypt crashed 🤣
@_V.Va_
6 ай бұрын
Charlie not knowing what she's doing is symbolic of Vivzie not knowing what she's doing either.
@andriygriffin4782
5 ай бұрын
Charlie is a perfect example of the show, she is so committed to the plot and such that she has no time to spend with any of the characters and their growth. She barely spends time with Vaggie, and only has a second chat with Alastor in the SEVENTH episode!
@angel_of_rust
4 ай бұрын
these kinds of shows always seem to be reflective... in a NON self-aware way, sadly
@fmor2779
3 ай бұрын
She and the whole crew have no idea what their doing in the story department. The plot holes are so annoying, like how is Vaggie's opinion about the extermination being a secret to most heaven never addressed? As an ex exterminator she should have a notion, but we never see her contemplating telling her girlfriend or not since that could compromise her status as an angel (which could have been interesting but no, we needed that stupid poorly written trial ). Or how the angels didn't knew their steel could harm them when Lute used it to cut Vaggie's eye and wings. Or why the exterminators didn't just focus on Carmilla and her daughters? She only killed ONE of the FIVE they encountered, did the other four just... forgot who killed their comrade? If they cared so much for their secret then why not just make Carmilla and her daughters disappear and keep things as they were? And then they call people who see the flaws "Unfair" or "Too judgy", as if there are no rules nor proper ways to write a story.
@oddity7263
2 ай бұрын
@fmor2779 since we've so far seen the behavior of exterminators to be cold and absolutely prejudiced towards all demons and hellkind in hell, it seemed it would make sense for Vaggie to have been the same. but this is never properly addressed. also, apparently her incident with Lute was caused by her sparing a demon which otherwise she has no clue was "innocent" or not. anyway Lute stabs her eye out and cut her wings off and seemingly this is the first time in thousands of years any of these dumbasses figure out angels can be hurt and bleed. then after Vaggie retires to being a demon like everyone else and coming to hate heaven (as she does in episode 7) for their corrupt hegemonic system and what they did to her, she...decides to help fellow womanchild Charlie redeem sinners and send them to...heaven? the very place that performs an inherently racist genocide on them once a year and that she hates. the concept itself already has a big glaring issue and it also isn't addressed: how is this a good selling point?
@oddity7263
2 ай бұрын
it's somewhat funny because Viv has revealed in the recent QnA that Charlie is the character she's most like and can relate to. viewing herself as someone with good intentions trying to fix something or take charge of a bad situation, but misunderstood. oh man....
@SpoopySquid
6 ай бұрын
"Great concept, poor execution" is pretty much Viv's brand now. They desperately need a strict story editor who can keep things tightly focused (especially important given the limited number of episodes).
@no_0riginality937
5 ай бұрын
I agree cause I think giving Viv either you give Viv too much freedom she will completely change the premise of her shows in a matter of seconds or too much restrictions and she will cram everything single plot point and sacrifice what the premise of a show is about.
@erikbihari3625
5 ай бұрын
That, has been the go to for cartoons since 2010, as every random project from anyone got the Green light! Rather than people who know what their doing, and have reasonable ambitions. Canada was pretty mutch the exception!
@Noelle_Holiday
5 ай бұрын
@@erikbihari3625 The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to appreciate Adult Swim for being what it is. They always take risks when it comes to greenlighting such projects, and that's why they typically pick up surrealist avant-garde humor cartoons and straight-up experimental animated shows like Superjail! and Xavier Renegade Angel. From its very inception, it was meant to be a playground for artistic expression by allowing creators with ideas their own voice that wasn’t on most network television. Vivziepop's style of humor and animation are far too polished and edgy for a cool network like Adult Swim.
@Noelle_Holiday
5 ай бұрын
@@no_0riginality937 You know, I see people defending the author with a simple narrative of independent pure artists vs big bad corporations, but writers are ALWAYS going to be under some constraints. Sure there are more and fewer cases of creative freedom, but all of them have to change and adapt to the screentime that is given to them (or rarely, chosen beforehand). Vivziepop failed at this because she had this story macerating in her head for years on end and couldn't bring herself to change this precious child. No matter what, you have to let go of the things that you love the most.
@Noelle_Holiday
5 ай бұрын
@@erikbihari3625 The more I think about it, the more I appreciate Adult Swim for being what it is. The difference was that Adult Swim is known for taking actual risks and doesn't care about marketability, which is why they pick up surreal Dadaist anti-humor comedy cartoons, and straight-up avant-garde animated shows like Superjail, Xavier: Renegade Angel, and King Star King. From its very inception, it was always meant to give odd creative artists and animators with ideas their own voice that couldn't exist on any other network television. Vivziepop's style of humor and animation are far too polished and edgy for a cool network like Adult Swim.
@cynicalyetfragile1909
6 ай бұрын
I feel like Hazbin Hotel is one of those shows that would actually BENEFIT from having filler episodes, it just needs to slow the hell down and dedicate episodes to the characters, their relationships with other characters, etc etc.
@ashlxserii
5 ай бұрын
6-8 episodes isn't enough, we need more 😭
@NancyIsTheName
5 ай бұрын
@ashlxserii I feel they had enough money for 2 or more episodes but Viv pissed it away for Broadway voice actors.
@AndroidHarris
5 ай бұрын
I dissgree having only 8 episodes makes rewatching it in one setting an easy movie like experience. Its only 2 hours and 40 minutes of content.
@xduwu4257
4 ай бұрын
@@ashlxseriimaybe unpopular opinion but 8 episodes was fine, but they should have split it between season 1 and 2.
@carlossanblas5807
2 ай бұрын
It definetly needs world building
@cordyceps7531
6 ай бұрын
If you told Vivziepop to write the SpongeBob pilot, Help Wanted, she’d find a way to have plankton, Sandy, boating school, and Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy included in just the first episode.
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
That'd be wild to watch tbh.....
@nevaehhamilton3493
6 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 actually it would suck, that's the point they're trying to make.
@GamerTowerDX
6 ай бұрын
@@nevaehhamilton3493it would wildly suck
@zephaniahofgod1673
6 ай бұрын
it would be wild to watch how much it'd suck@@nevaehhamilton3493
@drewhughes9127
6 ай бұрын
@@nevaehhamilton3493it would suck…but still a wild thing to see. Lol
@OldStank
6 ай бұрын
Making Heaven a corrupt system was very cliche. I wish that they did something else with it in order to make it more of an incentive that most of the cast of characters would want to achieve.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
I think it could have been worse. What we see of Heaven makes it seem like a genuinely nice afterlife, despite the problems with the higher ups. We also see that most angels aren't as bad as Adam and that most of the angels are unaware of the extermination. While Sera might not have much sympathy for Hell's denizens, she seems like she genuinely thinks that Hell is a potential threat to Heaven while Adam seems to want to kill demons solely out of spite.
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
Right, if Heaven is just as bad as hell or corrupt then what's the point of the plot? What's the purpose of the premise of the story? Especially in the show hell doesn't seem all that horrid of a place. It's not really an eternal pit of punishment more like a night club for furries
@Hedron1027
6 ай бұрын
Technically, Heaven’s system isn’t corrupt. It’s just misguided in some way because the Elder Angels just don’t think it’s possible for a Sinner to be redeemed, and Charlie barely having any evidence as to why they can be definitely didn’t help either. However, the Exterminators are definitely corrupt assholes.
@christopherbravo1813
5 ай бұрын
@@Hedron1027 assholes maybe, but there's no indicator that the majority of their "victims" didn't have it coming.
@sunakokirishiki3572
5 ай бұрын
@blackchickiedee7 it is not a hellscape where you are at risk of death 24/7 and susceptible to random exterminations.
@MissAtSHy
6 ай бұрын
I think Hazbin Hotel having such a big fandom this early is part of what's so detrimental to it. I think a big part of the "slice of life" content of HH *is* understood to be "canon" as Vivzie is so happy to declare so anytime she finds fanart/fanfic/fanwork she likes... It's like... like it's not actually a series but rather a multimedia franchise relying on the fans making up funny interactions between the cast while the cartoon gives big situations to shake things up.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
Interesting take on the situation.
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
Especially when a lot of fan theories are in the show. Vaggie being an angel instead of a sinner who took her own life. Alastor and Vox having beef with each other because they were possibly friends instead of just a petty rivalry between a boomer and someone who is electronically progressive. Alastor manipulating Charlie because he's plotting against the hotel... I agree with that take with how fans are carrying the show and HH is fanfic/fanart fodder because even they sometimes along with webcomics have more compelling plots. It's like the creator went on social media to find material to write Hazbin
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
@@blackchickiedee7 There is a fancomic where Lucifer tells Charlie "So you're into girls? Nice. Me too." And then he ended up having a pretty similar line of dialogue in the actual show. There's also a comic where Valentino says something like "I've killed people for doing less than half of the shit you pulled" and in the show he says "I've killed bitches for less than this attitude you're giving me!" It does make me wonder if some of the show's interactions were drawn from fan material.
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
@@Corrector1 wow... and also, someone said that there was a comic on YT where the main cast's outfits looked very similar to how they are in the show, especially Charlie's and Vaggie's. 😬😬😬If it's true, that the creator took ideas from people online I'm like, y'all deserve some coins lol you should be getting paid at this point
@ScorpionStrike7
6 ай бұрын
@@Corrector1Yeah I remember that Lucifer comic too 😅
@TheMedicatedArtist
6 ай бұрын
I remember Vaggie was originally in Hell because she took her own life. Imagine if Charlie tried to redeem/convince Heaven that someone like that deserved a second chance. How would Charlie react if she Vaggie was so desperate to escape her old life, only to end up in Hell. How depressed was Vaggie on Earth? Why was she depressed? Had Vaggie self-harmed or isolated herself during depressive episodes? Was Charlie aware of any of this? How would Charlie react if Vaggie got redeemed? Could Charlie visit or would they break up? All that potential, but nope. Vaggie’s an angel now. And I genuinely doubt we’ll ever get another sinner who unsubscribes from life.
@AzraelSoulHunter
6 ай бұрын
And also this whole angel thing not only makes little sense with how Vaggie acts (Yeah. I wonder what kind of weapon can possibly hurt an angel, I can't possibly know and for some reason my back and empty eyesocket itch whenever I think about it), but also it provides nothing to the plot as her being an angel and having wings is redundant detail and in the final fight it barely mattered as I don't even think she flew on her wings even once.
@artistanthony1007
6 ай бұрын
She should've stayed a former human because it makes things way more compelling and have impact as Vaggie is the conduit to what Charlie should consider with the kind that makes her up, plus being half Sinner and Angel does more stuff. Angel and Demon isnt even a good pairing, we see the difference with the two Dante's and why Classic Dante is better vs Reboot Dante.
@yeetthefeet2504
6 ай бұрын
Not to mention, it makes sense why she would even define herself through being Charlie's protective girlfriend, because Charlie hazbin (laugh you cretins) her only source of positivity and genuine love if she were someone who self-deleted, espescially if it were because of a lack of positive influences on her life. Like seriously, the potential!
@ajakakakak
6 ай бұрын
Rly? I thought her design always implied she was a fallen angel?
@amateurdechats
6 ай бұрын
@@ajakakakakback when she had that backstory, her design was WAY dif iirc, but when her official design we see in the pilot came out it looked so similar to the shot in the intro of the angels we saw ig it was changed to her being a former angel bc of the connection
@Es_gee
6 ай бұрын
I had a big problem with Adam's personality. I dont know...i feel like he should've gotten a "holier than thou but secretly evil" prim and posh vibe just like Claude Frollo from hunchback of notre dame, instead of the surfer dude douchebag that somehow got into heaven Nonetheless, Alex Brightman was the only reason i found the character tolerable
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
Alex's voice acting did a lot to make Adam a more entertaining character than he would have been otherwise.
@stuckatthevalley
5 ай бұрын
Frollo > Frat bro
@christopherbravo1813
5 ай бұрын
honestly I think a few things could have been done that would have improved Adam as a character, such as giving him actual depth and, well, *not* having the character be Adam. Ironically enough, the Bible has a character that fits Hazbin Adam's description almost to a T. Anyone here remember Samson?
@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132
5 ай бұрын
That was Alex Brightman?! How do they keep roping him into vivzie series like this?(He was the robot clown in helluva).
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
"And he shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!"
@damonlam9145
6 ай бұрын
There a reason why the term "kill your darlings" exist, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.
@ryszakowy
6 ай бұрын
yeah i legit root for angels to end hell because in the big fight the "opressed underdogs" literally lost nobody while evil opressing angels lost entire legion
@maybemints
6 ай бұрын
They could have been in spin-off stories unrelated to the main plot not animated but like in comic format
@floatingf8783
6 ай бұрын
@@ryszakowyno. A lot of the Cannibal army.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
I suspect Viv not doing this is a big reason why her work tends to be contentious. "Helluva Boss" gets criticism for seeming to jump from one plot point to the next while "Hazbin Hotel" got flak for trying to fit too many characters and plotlines into eight episodes.
@angrybrony
6 ай бұрын
and cut what tho?
@metal6948
6 ай бұрын
The first half of the season should've been the entire season. Stretch out all the plot points and give them room to breathe.
@misterm7486
5 ай бұрын
yes. i love hazbin but oh boy the pacing makes me cry. im living off vibes and twitter lore
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
That and the war with heaven should never have happened.
@dejus_e
3 ай бұрын
“erm actually they didn’t know if they’d be getting a season 2-“ it’s fucking hazbin hotel of course itll get a season 2
@wavesofthestarlesssea
2 ай бұрын
or give them more episodes lol why is vivzie like this
@pr3ttyw3irdgrl
5 ай бұрын
To the people who say that Vivziepop explains lore in her podcasts in response to others complaining that it isn't in the show, let me put this in perspective for you. Imagine if Rebecca Sugar did this with Steven Universe. Imagine if she never explained the concept of fusion in the show but did in an interview or something. Wouldn"t that SUCK? You shouldn't have to rely on outside sources to explain important lore thats apart of a show. That should already be explained. I excuse Helluva Boss for this since its still a web series, but HH is now held at the same standard as every other animated show. It's not excusable.
@theunsexyoccult1379
5 ай бұрын
As an author, that would be like me writing a book without explaining a huge plot point within the story, but instead in a blog post on my website.
@ragsrare3771
2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@a_person5853
2 ай бұрын
Basically Wings of Fire
@richardzaloudek8208
Ай бұрын
Sadly, yes
@katrinsorokatkat1597
Ай бұрын
Rebecca and Vivziepop are the same person They have bad writing Bad world building Favouritism towards character(s), ignoring logic It’s never was about plot or good story with grey morals - it’s always was about gay, gay, gay and liberal ideas against evil conservatives and another shitty metaphor about racism, homophobia (insert your insecurity trigger) They both are fetishists, Rebecca about wlw, viv about mlm Fans making a better job, than creators
@carbknight4888
6 ай бұрын
"Erm if you look on the wiki it actually tells you what the sinners were like before they died 🤓🤓🤓". Someone in these comments have absolutely said this, and I hope they read this, and I hope they get mad.
@Ramsey276one
6 ай бұрын
*YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO READ A WIKI TO UNDERSTAND A SHOW*
@Black_Konoha
6 ай бұрын
@@Ramsey276onemy biggest problem is that Vivzie will talk about the world building and lore, but only in podcasts, and not the show
@chrisbacon1275
6 ай бұрын
That makes it EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING!! Like, they were able to piece together that lore, write it, announce it, and yet they STILL didn't put it in the damn show! They could've stretched out the whole Heaven v Hell battle for at least 2 seasons to keep it interesting while showing more depth for their characters, but they decided to rush it and pack it all into one confusing pile of mess
@bloodyidit4506
6 ай бұрын
@@Ramsey276one You could instead watch it. It doesn't throw in details you can't understand without outside info bro. Just admit you hate gays or something lol
@bloodyidit4506
6 ай бұрын
@@thatoneweirdo522 So? If you had never known any of the background lore you'd have never whined.
@deejayf69
6 ай бұрын
I think the way they portrayed Sir Pentious's sacrifice for the Hotel was also really bad. The fact he just gets backhandedly oneshot by Adam who then drops a one-liner is so anticlimactic, I don't even know how they thought this would be appropriate.
@tiablue9106
5 ай бұрын
yeah I don't get why they didn't make it an actual dramatic moment; I thought for sure sir pentious was gonna fire his attack, adam would get the classic anime moment where he was totally unscathed, and we'd get 1 last look at sir p's face (maybe he'd be horrified, maybe a tear would roll down his cheek, maybe he'd just give his egg bois a comforting smile, smth like that) before adam kills him. adam just obliterating him before he even fired the attack felt like a joke / like we weren't supposed to care abt sir pentious
@diegohinojosa3049
5 ай бұрын
Ryan Johnson levels of subversion. Oh, you thought the comic relief character would have a satisfying arc by standing up for his friends. Wouldn't it be fucking hilarious if we reduced him to atoms in a single frame before he could earn his development?
@angel_of_rust
4 ай бұрын
@@tiablue9106 you expect too much from a progressive liberal like Vivziepop Whedonism and Roganism ruined an entire generation of writing
@Birbzz
3 ай бұрын
It was so bad i genuinely found it so funny how the rest of the cast just dropped to the ground crying without taking a second to process anything, then after 5 seconds stood up and went on with the fight
@ThisguySL
2 ай бұрын
@@Birbzz Well yeah, that's how fights tend to work. It was hardly like the exorcists were going to give them a moment of silence.
@Atlas_Summit
6 ай бұрын
I’d say HH’s biggest problem was it’s fumbling of it’s core concept: REDEMPTION. The entire point of the hotel was to redeem sinners, but Charlie had, and still has, no evidence that redemption is even possible, so there was no reason for the Angels to listen to her. On top of that, people like Adam and Lute show that things that are considered sinful can still be done in Heaven, so what’s the incentive to actually REDEEM yourself? Edit: I believe this video will help as it articulates my opinion better I have. kzitem.info/news/bejne/mYBvsniArJSIl6Afeature=shared
@tiablue9106
6 ай бұрын
well heaven is shown to be a cool place even tho the ppl running it are pricks. better to spend ur afterlife in a safe, cheery utopia than a craphole city where u gotta worry abt gang wars and cannibals and w'ever else on a daily basis, right? but as lucifer said, heaven isn't as great as charlie thinks and I hope they keep expanding on that beyond the higher-ups being jerks. like showing more dark spots in heaven as there are more bright spots in hell (not the most original idea but)
@duncanharrell5009
6 ай бұрын
I don’t want that! The whole point of the show is redeeming sinners to get to Heaven. If Heaven is as bad, if not worse, then Hell… then what’s the point of trying to redeem yourself?
@tiablue9106
6 ай бұрын
@@duncanharrell5009 it rlly depends on the direction ig, but I saw someone give the idea that charlie's focus would shift from helping sinners get redeemed, to generally making hell a better place, once she becomes disillusioned w/ heaven. still helping ppl, but no longer trying to impress heaven. but again, idk if they'll go that route; they'll prolly stick w/ the idea of heaven being a utopia and hell being a craphole for at least some time
@KK-bl1oc
6 ай бұрын
@@duncanharrell5009 To be honest, Heaven looks like a preppy town for snobs. Like, it's way better than Hell, but beside that it acts like Earth: it have restaurants, its own economy, politicians, war criminals, brands. Heaven is just better version of Earth, while Hell is worser version of Earth in this universe.
@Yami-mugoni613
6 ай бұрын
Heaven is different than hell tho? Emily and Sera aren’t like Adam and they are higher than him
@Harrymation-productions
6 ай бұрын
The angels are the most wasted in terms of potential I think. They could’ve been characters that snapped Charlie down to reality. The reason for declining Charlie’s idea could’ve been because of her not having proof that the hotel could work. Adam could’ve revealed more details about him and Lilith’s relationship; making Charlie realize that her mom wasn’t as good as she thought she was. Maybe the angels could’ve even taken over the hotel and actually start making it better and help Charlie realize what it takes to redeem people.
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, Charlie REALLY needed more evidence about the hotel's success before doing that court case..... If she hadn't been so foolhardy then, maybe the hotel could've been used as a place for sinners to hide during the exterminations. And eventually, a few sinners might have joined the hotel just because they liked the vibe there. Just saying, most likely sinners are going to join the hotel for reasons OTHER than getting a spot in heaven.....
@redwithcoffee619
6 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 Why would they even want to go to heaven? From the looks of it the place is just as immoral as hell, just it's better at hiding it. It feels like the idea of heaven in this show was completely fumbled
@DeathKitta
6 ай бұрын
That's just be a different cartoon. And Lilith plot is a show's mystery, why would it drop so much about her so early.
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
@@redwithcoffee619 Yeah I wish we knew more about heaven..... Right now it's basically like people dreaming about going to Disneyland, but when they go it's a bad travel experience. 😆
@redwithcoffee619
6 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 The entire point of heaven is redemption and becoming what a human should aspire to be. The topic is up for debate as to the details but the general sense is virtue, honor, kindness, justice, discipline, ect. Angels should be honest even if the truth may hurt, believing in her cause but making it very clear she has no idea what she's doing. But instead this.. "interpretation" completely drops the ball. She gets no support or guiding hand, no wisdom, not even protection in such a hostile environment when again Heaven would be in full support of what she's trying to to achieve. Looking at the Hunchback of Notre Dame, the main villain claims to be a man of God and yet this couldn't be further from the truth. In the end, he's not rewarded simply because he cheered for the right team, he was met with fire and visions of demons before his terrible end. In this show however, I get the feeling the writer doesn't understand that God would hate more than half the angels seen in this show.
@Soporiflc
6 ай бұрын
Something funny I noticed was how Alastor was barely mentioned in this video.
@Niolce
6 ай бұрын
He's literally the best part of this shit show
@RJS2003
6 ай бұрын
I KNOW RIGHT? Despite him always being my favourite Hazbin character you can completely remove him and the show is exactly the same. Which to me just says I would have loved for him to have his own show instead lol.
@nicolpineda8632
6 ай бұрын
@@RJS2003Well, I love Alastor but he does have his problems. It is so inconsistent that it is clear that the team does not know what route it is going to take; whether the pasifist, neutral or genocidal. We know he's hiding things, but his behavior changes from scene to scene. But its inconsistency is the only consistent thing about the series.
@geet9830
6 ай бұрын
alastor reminds me of villainous' black hat- super powerful evil entity supplying power to the main cast, and the most recognizable character of the cast irl. but instead of doing what villainous did- recognizing that black hat was best as a background driving force- they just...kept alastor in the main cast, doing nothing. they desperately want us to think he's super cool and powerful when he's basically a glorified lamp. i don't even like black hat and i can admit he was done ten times better than alastor. it feels really insecure, like the writers (or producers) were worried people wouldn't stick around if the fan favorite wasn't front and center 24/7.
@Yami-mugoni613
6 ай бұрын
@@geet9830but Al isn’t shown as powerful in the show. He lose to Adam and metaphorically lose to Lucifer. You don’t usually have your super cool powerful character look like that
@cordyceps7531
6 ай бұрын
I’ve watched hundreds of Hazbin rants and reviews and you’re the first one to point out how odd it is that Cherry Bomb just inexplicably sticks with the hotel at the end
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
I think it's due to her friendship with Angel Dust. (Honoring Pentious's memory is also a possibility)
@cordyceps7531
6 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 that is a very good possibility, I also figured it was for Sir Pentious. But it’s still odd having her act like she’s hotel staff now, unless she dips after the hotel is rebuilt.
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
@@cordyceps7531 Honestly, I'm fine if she stays. I think it's a nice idea for sinners to initially join the hotel for different reasons other than redemption. THEN they warm up to going to heaven as time passes.
@artistanthony1007
6 ай бұрын
@@cordyceps7531 I think it's best you just not think about it and move on, Viv's shows are not supposed to make sense, dont expect the show to explain why..
@MASTEROFEVIL
5 ай бұрын
Replacement for Sir Pent
@Collie-King
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, the more I see the slightest overreaction to the slightest bit of criticism, the more I realise just how immature the fandom is. I’m a fan of Hazbin, and as long as the criticism is fair, I’m all here for it.
@Randomyoutuber-4831
6 ай бұрын
Except it usually isn’t… The whole SA controversy Just Stop covered demonstrates as much.
@mk_gamíng0609
6 ай бұрын
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 No it usaully IS But guess what, that stuff does not get covered The defenders , Take every little bit of dumb criticism super seriously but then when there is actually well constructed criticism you just lump it in with the bad and ignore it so they can live in a fantasy world where Viv is perfect
@Randomyoutuber-4831
6 ай бұрын
@@mk_gamíng0609 There is only one criticism I agree with and that the show needs to work on it's pacing. But other than that, I feel that the rest of the criticism even when it's legit is flawed. But whenever I offer up a counterargument you all throw a bitch fit like I'm supposed to just shut up and accept your word as the gospel. You wanna give criticism? you better be prepared to defend your stance as with any debate. Viv isn't perfect, but you know what? Her shows are perfect for me and that's enough.
@androidps1440
6 ай бұрын
@@mk_gamíng0609 yeah yeah yeah keep living in your bubble
@comparc1972
6 ай бұрын
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 There's nothing wrong with criticism and no matter how much you like the show, you cannot pretend as if no one should criticize Vivziepop. She isn't perfect, her shows aren't perfect, and her writing isn't perfect. There's a mountain of legitimate flaws that you can bring up which would make these shows much better and I see no reason as to why we shouldn't be trying to make her work better.
@hilotakenaka
6 ай бұрын
The funniest thing about Adam’s characterisation is that they had a perfect way for him to parallel Charlie. He could’ve started off as being a really nice, well-intentioned Angel who did the genocides as a last resort, but over time he grew more and more corrupted and cynical. Whereas Charlie still believes redemption is possible, Adam could’ve deluded himself that it’s impossible due to his own failings in his attempts, and the death of the Angel would’ve sent him over the edge. Hell, if they wanted to keep the “first human arrogance” angle they were going for, have it so Adam blames the failed redemptions on the demons rather than his own failed methods. Sure his hatred wouldn’t be wholly unfounded since the majority of demons act like that, but it could’ve been made clear that even with nicer demons he did a horrible job.
@hilotakenaka
6 ай бұрын
To add to this, and so my main post doesn’t become TOO big The arrogance could also be used to explain why he blames others for his own flaws. He’s the FIRST human; all other humans come from him so, in his eyes, he would “know” how all other humans behave. He’d try out methods that only work on himself rather than trying to reach out and learn about other people
@syppy7416
6 ай бұрын
but no, we gotta have "Blitzo again, but worse, and an angel"
@Perdix64
6 ай бұрын
I’ve said this and I’ll say it again, they should’ve used Adam Caedmon instead of Human Adam. Playing a far more logical and calm character, but he’s too set in his ways to fix it. Human Adam could’ve been a demon that became desperate to return to Heaven, but he was desperate that when he thought the first purge occurred, he would’ve been killed by it. Eve or someone else could tell them about this, it still shows Heaven hypocrisy that even the first human couldn’t even make it in. Having Adam being an actual foil to Charlie’s hopeful and fun loving side with Caedmon’s calm, analytical, and rule bound ways.
@jojomond7828
6 ай бұрын
When I see Adam's character he doesn't give off the feeling of being the first man no instead he feels like a douchebag roommate who does nothing all day but gets high and just does sex jokes everytime you talk to him That's probably really specific but that's what Adam character feels like to me
@hilotakenaka
6 ай бұрын
@@Perdix64or if you want it to be biblically accurate, have it be Michael instead. He was the one partially responsible for taking Lucifer down and he’s often seen as Heaven’s prime soldier
@the_UF365
6 ай бұрын
I do actually miss the trend in cartoons for season 1's being dedicated to "A Day In The Life" plots because those types of episodes made me care enough about the characters to root for them and understand their emotions in the big battles later on. Steven Universe's original ending actually worked for me because I knew beforehand how the corrupted gems and the crystal gems themselves felt about corruption. Seeing centipeedle get to interact with Steven for that brief moment warmed my heart.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
It's not a bad way to do things, but I feel a lot of shows that develop from episodic plots to ongoing plots end up taking too long to get to the point. "Steven Universe", "Amphibia" and "Star Vs The Forces of Evil" are all shows where I've had this problem. Given the set up of the pilot, "Hazbin Hotel" does feel like a show that would have been better off starting off as character-focused before building up a bigger plot.
@boshwa20
5 ай бұрын
@@Corrector1 I'm honestly tried of these cartoons seemingly being the only GOOD type of cartoon for western fans. Thank god for Smiling Friends
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
The first season did not need an antagonist at all. It should have just stuck with its own characters and let the bigger plots happen in the next season.
@oddity7263
2 ай бұрын
you're reminding me of the official Hazbin prequel comic "a day in the afterlife" which focuses on Alastor's daily activities
@jakestrider3565
Ай бұрын
One of my personal favorites examples of this is in adult animation is Metalocalypse!
@TheDigitalApple
6 ай бұрын
Hazbin Hotel only having 8 episodes in its first season feels insanely rushed.
@artistanthony1007
6 ай бұрын
Edgerunners and Over The Garden Wall have 10 episodes but the creators did far better.
@catcactus1234
6 ай бұрын
Only feels rushed because they crammed 24 episodes of plot into 8 episodes rather than writing a story fit for 8 episodes
@nightshade9184
6 ай бұрын
I love the show. But, it did feel rushed . Especially with the songs. Love them! Just kinda didn't tranist smoothly
@oneofnone7947
6 ай бұрын
It was probably the streaming rule one season becomes two
@mirulei
6 ай бұрын
genuinely what is it with animated tv shows not even maxxing 10 episodes runtime for a full season nowadays? like... hazbin hotel, fionna and cake, scott pilgrim takes off, arcane, invincible; except the last two were at least given 40 minutes per episode instead of 24. is giving writers in the animation industry like two seconds to establish their story a new trend or something? i swear they used to be much more generous.
@madengineerkyouma
6 ай бұрын
It's ironic that we see more of humans on earth going to hell in Helluva Boss, even starting from episode 1.
@tiablue9106
6 ай бұрын
tbf helluva boss is abt killing humans so it makes sense the human world is more involved. but I agree it shouldn't be ignored in hazbin hotel, both the hotel and IMP cater to sinners after all. I hope the lives of angel, alastor, etc are factored in someway
@Ismazure
6 ай бұрын
@@tiablue9106It was about killing humans, now? The drama of Blitzo's life
@mdalos0624
6 ай бұрын
@@Ismazure a sad yaoi fanfic for 2 losers who cant express their feelings Yeah Tbh its fucking boring Helluva boss would've been better if it was like a monster of the week episodic show
@Ismazure
6 ай бұрын
@@mdalos0624 yeah, And on top of that, some of the episodes are not even salvageable, for example the one in the cabin, where they show how useless Moxi is not only doing absolutly anything, and they show how superior Milly is in everything, tell me, when Moxy has had an episode where he shows that he doesn't need anyone? And the songs in that episode were horrible too
@reaper2579
6 ай бұрын
charlie would be very appalled if she realized that I.M.P was responsible for overpopulation of hell
@rogueone3722
6 ай бұрын
I’m going to just say it, making the angels evil jerks is a stupid decision and bad story telling. If Vivzie wanted to make them the antagonists, she should’ve had them not be blatantly evil, but prideful and stuck in their ways. It would make way more sense and be more interesting if the angels weren’t straight evil but simply didn’t believe demons could be redeemed, becuase they are prideful in their service to God, but despite that they are good and kind beings. But having half of the angels we see be murderous lunatics is ridiculous, if an angel were actually like that they would’ve fallen and gone straight to hell already.
@DrAngelKins
6 ай бұрын
Prideful fits well
@surprisedchar2458
6 ай бұрын
God doesn’t even rule Heaven here. A councile does, which is incorrect. Adam is an angel, something that is just also incorrect. Humans do not become angels. Angels are a different type of being created by God to serve other purposes (man was made to be the Steward who tends Creation, as relayed in Genesis with Adam in Eden). I could go on longer. The whole setting is a mush of half baked gnosticism that doesn’t make any sense.
@A_C_E1537
6 ай бұрын
@@surprisedchar2458HH isn’t supposed to be accurate to Christianity if that’s the correct way to say it. It’s just very loosely based on it, and it has its own rules. Treat it as an Alternate Universe if you will.
@warzed6220
6 ай бұрын
It's insanely obvious that the show was just meant to appeal to reddit atheists. Like Adam being an ass. You can't change Adam because his whole point is for people who hate Christianity to go "Look at how funny it is that the first human is an ass!" Even as a person who has bad experiences with Christianity, having a show basically only there to shit on it doesn't feel right.
@OlTimeyChara
5 ай бұрын
Isn't adam the only jerk? The other angels seemed really reasonable, like Sera wanting to protect Emily from falling like lucifer did.
@Good100
6 ай бұрын
The problem with Charlie is that she's clearly an expression of Vivziepop. When she says, "the hotel isn't working," she doesn't mean "the hotel isn't redeeming anyone," but rather, "nobody is believing in the hotel." And that's because Vivziepop's response to criticism or failure of her shows is not "my show is flawed and needs improvement" but rather "people need to recognize how great my ideas are." It's the same problem all these self-insert characters have. They are static, and all the dynamic characters change to validate them. Once upon a time, editors would make sure this kind of character never got a budget, and it was restricted to fanfiction, but it seems like a lot of big money is going into shows with this kind of main character. Some people call every main character a Mary Sue, but sometimes it's actually true, and it's been happening a lot more the last decade.
@PlanetZoidstar
5 ай бұрын
It's funny because Vivi even wrote daddy issues into Charlie (like she does with literally every protagonist she writes) as if the self-insert allegations weren't bad enough with the MC for Hazbin Hotel. The show is almost a meta-commentary on itself, with Charlie's struggle to get the hotel seen as a legitimate venture being representative of Viv's own struggle to get her shown to be a success.
@diurtydantv8061
6 ай бұрын
It's like you read my mind. My friend and I both watched this show and she didn't notice any of this stuff while I noticed a lot of it. I went to the Internet to see if anyone else shared my criticisms but a good number of the talking points I saw were as shallow as "Viv put a lot of gay people in hell: therefore she thinks gay people belong in hell". It made me feel like I was taking crazy pills.
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
Er, showrunners came out and stated that you can't go to Hazbin's hell for being LBGT+.....
@rustyyy1k
6 ай бұрын
For real, there are real points to be made but a lot of people just make stuff up or make total leaps just to shit on the show
@diurtydantv8061
6 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 Even if characters did go to hell for being gay that wouldn't be a point against the show because A: a big theme of the show is how some people are in hell unfairly and B: it's Christian hell so it would make sense that gay people would be in hell.
@redwithcoffee619
6 ай бұрын
@@diurtydantv8061It's vaguely Christian hell but it's definitely a wasted opportunity.
@thomasrose2149
6 ай бұрын
*sigh* Of course
@AnimalDelos
6 ай бұрын
I feel like Adam's reasoning could have been so much easier and better justified if it was simply as revenge for Lucifer getting both of his wives (Lilith and Eve) in the sack. "Lucifer stole not one, but BOTH of my wives... so I'm going to systematically slaughter his people every year in retribution" would have probably played a LOT better than "I just do it cause I can and it's fun." It would at least have given him proper motivation for his actions. I also would have liked to have seen Lute fleshed out more. Most of the exorcists just go along with it because "Well, our boss is telling us to do this, so... we do it." because who are they, low-level angels, to decline/deny an order from someone who's basically 2nd only to God in a lot of eyes or such. But Lute is different... clearly... but we never get a good sense as to why.
@silli_clownmaeda
6 ай бұрын
THATS LITERALLY THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT TY FOR SAYING IT
@haveagoodday7021
6 ай бұрын
I get people whine about "sympathetic villains" but Adam could have that motivation of revenge and still be a villain. People conflate understandable motive with automatic sympathy which isn't true.
@crod9905
6 ай бұрын
Us fans having to do the heavy lifting and make things make sense.
@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216
6 ай бұрын
@@haveagoodday7021 I think people don't have a problem with sympathetic villains so much as shows/movies/novels acting like a sad backstory is a replacement for a redemption arc
@Saltedroastedcaramel
6 ай бұрын
There is a video talking about the nuance of Adam I watched recently.
@clamytoes474
6 ай бұрын
when characters die in hell do they go to hell part 2
@oreotaku4017
6 ай бұрын
When they are killed by angelic weapons, it’s a more permanent death. If you say get stabbed by another sinner you will come back after a while.
@theorangeman9147
6 ай бұрын
Respawn queue
@Notllamalord
6 ай бұрын
layer 2
@no_0riginality937
6 ай бұрын
From what I heard from Viv’s livestream, podcasts, or QnA Whenever is Sinner is killed via angelic weapons their souls and essences becomes embedded into hell, which explains the eyes all over hell However take that with how you will since this information has not been officially confirmed in the show.
@markhirsch6301
6 ай бұрын
@@no_0riginality937 I hate how out of show sources are being used to explain away unexplained stuff that NEEDS to be explained in the show. It just shows either bad writing, or very bad pacing that they couldn't explain necessary world details in the show itself
@NowRacattackForce
6 ай бұрын
The interesting thing about Charlie's "daddy issues" for me is that it was a facet of her character that was established so differently in the pilot. She just leaves her mom, who is too busy to answer, an awkward phone message. And in that message full of self-doubt, she wonders if "Dad was right about me." It's a heavy moment that says a lot about her relationship with both parents without outright spelling it out. It is also more dramatic than I think the final show wanted, or rather, needed to do with Charlie and Alastor's relationship. The show clearly wanted that swift resolution in order to make the Heaven stuff in the next episode happen, so for better or worse, playing it for laughs from the start with blunt "haha, daddy issues" jokes makes it easier to swallow the idea that they can solve the bulk of their problems in a single episode. That's just my guess though; it could have been a choice made separately from the desire to cram so much into eight episodes.
@tiablue9106
6 ай бұрын
yeah if the pilot's supposed to be canon then I hope they address at some point what this "dad was right about me" means in the series' context. bc the worst I can see the lucifer we met saying abt charlie is "you're wasting your time with this hotel thing" (ignoring how in the series lucifer seemingly didn't know abt the hotel at all before his visit). I can't see him calling her a failure to her face or smth... they built up charlie's daddy issues like that and as much as I love lucifer, he feels disconnected from the idea of him we got based on what charlie had said--not just in the pilot but in the series. she said she and lucifer have never been close but then sings w/ him abt how they love each other more than anything. this dude who seems to adore his daughter rlly ignored her for like 7 yrs bc he was depressed? basically I'm saying I hope they don't act like charlie and lucifer just have a perfect relationship now, and expand on the mistakes lucifer has made
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
Lucifer feels like he was being built up as a much more flawed character. It feels like they changed his personality without changing his relationship with Charlie and the end result is that I'm not even sure why there's any conflict between them to begin with.
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
It was another wasted potential in the show. The creator stated that Lucifer doesn't really support Charlie nor the hotel, heck he didn't really even care about the residents all because he enjoyed his status as King and had to keep a status quo for the exterminations to happen. When I read that, to me, I thought he was a sinister, crafty tyrant in cahoots with Heaven or something but nope we were just left with generic 'it's all better in a matter of seconds' because we sang about it
@PlanetZoidstar
5 ай бұрын
It also doesn't help that we've never shown 'why' Charlie has Daddy Issues. Like was it due to the separation? That flasback where Lillith takes an infant Charlie from Lucifer? That doesn't work since when we're introduced to Lucifer he's just screwing around with rubber ducks, when he gets the call from Charlie he drops everything to go visit her without a moment's notice. So where is this estrangement coming from? Charlie could have called Lucifier at any moment and he would have been there near-instantaneously.
@Sunnysideup420
5 ай бұрын
@@tiablue9106 I also would like to mention that early artwork of Charlie and her family made it seem like she wasn’t exactly happy or felt indifferent about them. There is also the phone call scene. To me, it seemed like Charlie’s parents just didn’t believe in her. It seemed like they loved the chaotic environment of Hell. Also, the pilot being canon makes the phone call weirder. Why would Charlie call her mom after 7 years of radio silence? I get still wanting to know where she is or having hope she’ll answer, but the call had nothing to do with that. It was almost like Charlie talked to her mom every now and then, but now apparently she’s been missing for 7 years. So the phone call to her mom makes no sense.
@somerandolad
6 ай бұрын
This Hazbin long in the making.
@casecyrus2500
6 ай бұрын
Holy guacamole thats a fucking kneeslapper🤣🤣🤣🤣 am i right fellas?🤫🤣
@colt1903
6 ай бұрын
Feel bad.
@scarsch1286
6 ай бұрын
@@colt1903Did you have your hopes high or low?
@colt1903
6 ай бұрын
@@scarsch1286 what do you mean?
@scarsch1286
6 ай бұрын
@@colt1903 Going into the show. Expectations wise.
@jaqiqi33
6 ай бұрын
The pacing, as I've been describing it, is like a group chat RP session going on, where everyone wants to get their characters developed and aren't the best at the pacing of a story, especially when everyone's tryna get in there and do their thing.
@GamerTowerDX
6 ай бұрын
This is like a group RP session but instead of something like a discord server with multiple channels to talk, it's all one single chat group
@impulsivity7
5 ай бұрын
thats actually the best way i could ever describe it
@crowqueenamps
2 ай бұрын
The single best way I have ever seen a show like this described. Same with RWBY.
@strikingsarcophagus
6 ай бұрын
One idea that I wrote up for Adam's motivation is that since his days as the first human in heaven, he's lost the esteem and special privileges that came with it. With heaven gaining more rules and becoming more and more boring for his eternal existence, he decides to implant the idea that the demons in hell may uprise and that he should go down to kill them once a year. However, it's all just a mask to go spend time in a place with no rules where he can commit all the sin, indulge in all his vices, and kill whoever he pleases annually. Essentially playing god amongst being far weaker than he is to enjoy the lawlessness of hell without consequence. (Also, adding this, the reason he hates sinners so much in this version is because both of his wives gave into sin before they could ascend to heaven, leaving him alone in paradise with nobody to spend it with which lead to his spiral into boredom.)
@isaiahgarza87
6 ай бұрын
Especially when you consider that the last thing he says before his death was that because mankind from him, people (including everyone else in hell) should be worshipping Adam. I’m guessing that because he kills the sinners in hell, which are meant to be bad people, he probably sees it as a opportunity that if he’s killing bad people and with the fear that the residents of hell could potentially uprise against heaven, he wants to be seen as a hero and believes that he should be worshipped as such. But I’m not sure if Season 2 will explore that idea or not, if Adam does end up being in hell after dying in the S1 finale.
@Cornucopiaofdreams
6 ай бұрын
A lot of the great parts of Hazbin Hotel are concepts that are done infinitely better in The Good Place which dives into the reasons the characters got where they got and how they could be redeemed. And what redemption even means.
@NoahSylva-u3n
6 ай бұрын
That doesn’t mean anything if the whole show is just an overambitious mess
@hed-empti2336
4 ай бұрын
@@NoahSylva-u3n well now I know to just watch the good place instead of attempt to sit through 8 episodes of poor writing
@dejus_e
2 ай бұрын
I like the good place
@UnluckyAmulet
5 ай бұрын
It's the way Vivziepop keeps throwing away interesting ideas all the time. Like, Vaggie being an ex-angel should be a HUGE deal. It has massive implications for what Charlie's trying to accomplish, because if people who were born in heaven can be thrown out (and for fairly petty reasons), shouldn't it be a hugely demoralising blow to the sinners? Shouldn't they shun Vaggie for killing so many demons before she became one herself, and for not telling anyone until she was forced to? Shouldn't it put pressure of Charlie's relationship with her because she's dating a woman who used to kill her own people? But no, Charlie's mad about it for like half an episode, then it's "Let's go home" and everybody is just fine with it - like the person who has most beef with Vaggie is Lute for some reason. It's like Vivzie just can't have something disrupt her OTP so she ignores any potential conflict so she can back to them going "Omg I must protect you! I support you! You're so important to me!" over and over.
@Pangora2
3 ай бұрын
Also when we're talking about populations, the main character is a Child of Lucifer. So he's fertile? You can be fertile in hell? Do you know how many doors that opens up? Apparently sex is a huge thing everyone is up to but there aren't babies? Is God providing abortion services in his eternal punishment zone? Yeah, I'm sending you to burn in hellfire, but heaven forbid an unwanted pregnancy! If babies can be conceived, are they also getting killed?
@garbagetoaster8828
6 ай бұрын
I whole heartedly believe this show would’ve killed it with 16 episodes. Just give each of these characters one more episode and they’d have more breathing room. It feels like it’s being strangled by the scope of the writers and constraints of 8 episodes, gotta take that writing noose off or at least loosen it a bit.
@47ratsinahoodie
6 ай бұрын
Agreed, almost 100% of my criticisms with the show are that it needed time to spread things out.
@blade8741
6 ай бұрын
@@47ratsinahoodie tbf, a good writter should be able to handle constraints in a creative way. Sure, more time would be great, but sometimes you gotta work with the cards you are dealt with, you know? Vivzie should've worked within the constraints she had. Cut plot threads, foreshadow future events of future seasons, etc.
@catcactus1234
6 ай бұрын
@@47ratsinahoodieTbf there’s a lot of evidence that Vivzie would’ve probably just added more characters and storylines in that timeframe instead of using it to flesh out the existing characters. Just look at Helluva Boss. There’s some great glimmers of character depth in there, but it’s been going on for 2 seasons now and we still hardly know anything about most of the characters. We keep getting new characters and dramatic plot lines instead of focusing on the core cast of characters (Blitz and his team). Also writing a story to fit the amount of episodes you’re given is a skill most TV writers learn. You’ll never be able to request the perfect amount of episodes you need unless you’re a mega hit show. It’s common to cut content and rewrite plot lines to fit the episodes you have. It’s the writers responsibility to figure out how to convey their story in the timeframe they’re given.
@damonlam9145
6 ай бұрын
There a reason why the term "kill you darlings" exist, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.
@47ratsinahoodie
6 ай бұрын
@@blade8741 A writer should also be given a reasonable time to work with. Hazbin Hotel was pitched as a show that needed a lot of time show off the world and characters. It's difficult to introduce characters and plot points we need to care about in 8 episodes with a world with SO much going on. There would've had to be almost nothing going on for 8 episodes to work well, and then the story both sucks and long time fans are left unsatisfied :/ also, nowadays I don't understand the idea of 'foreshadowing future seasons' events' because next seasons aren't a promise. If you spread out the story over a stupid small amount of episodes too thin, you risk the show getting cut off in the worst spot, leaving too many things unanswered. I'd see the 'a good writer should be able to blah blah blah' point if they were at least given a reasonable amount of time for this kind of story. Either a slightly longer season or longer episodes. Not saying they need 20eps to prove they can write (iirc Viv was only asking for 10-15), but at least give them time they can actually work with. A24 basically gave the Hazbin team brownie ingredients when they proposed the idea of making a cake and said "Okay now make the cake." You can if you really try, but if you're proposing a cake, shouldn't you get the ingredients for a cake? It seems like both a waste of time and money to try and get a cake from brownie ingredients and leave it a toss up as to whether it's a good cake or not. Why not just do it right the first time?? Sorry, I'm just REALLY fucking tired of studios disrespecting animation and creatives in general. They either don't give them time, executives fuck with the writing, or they don't advertise the shit, and then they act like they had no hand in the outcomes unless the product ends up a hit.
@krazyivan9733
6 ай бұрын
I will say with Adam, you can't give a character a mask for the whole show, then on the final episode, reveal their true face, and then just kill them off with no more character development.
@Sr.BulletBill
5 ай бұрын
You just remind me that Netflix She-Ra did that very same thing with one of its villains, Shadow Weaver.
@Pangora2
3 ай бұрын
Korra did this as well. Why would people in heaven need to hide behind masks anyways? Adam eventually learned he was naked and hid from God to hide his shame. So this mask is another version of his shame? So how does this tie into slaughtering people? See, basic understanding of Adams story and you could have such a better plot.
@Sr.BulletBill
3 ай бұрын
@@Pangora2 Yet another example of Vivziepop knowing nothing about Abrahamic mythology and only relying on pop culture references.
@mr.j3rs3y
6 ай бұрын
15:15 “It was this girl, Hollow Knight” I bursted out into laughter lmao
@xavierdurham377
6 ай бұрын
Something I wanted to bring up from Schafrillas' review also sticks here (regarding Angel's trauma). They really don't know how to handle it with tact. On one hand, it subtly tries to say that his trauma and Husk's gambling addiction are comparable in "Loser Baby" even if another interpretation could simply be that they recognize their self-destructive tendencies and want to heal like JS offers. On the other hand, to try and have a serious convo about this sexual trauma in the same episode as Sir Pentious being dragged against his will into a side room at the bar after nervously proclaiming he's having "sex with everybody" as a joke isn't a good look.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
It's similar to how "Helluva Boss" was criticized because one episode shows Stella almost hitting Stolas and it's meant to show that she's a bad person, but Loona attacking Blitzo in the very next episode just for asking that she be nicer to the clients is played entirely for laughs.
@Noelle_Holiday
5 ай бұрын
Hold on, did Schafrillas actually made a review on Hazbin Hotel?
@PlanetZoidstar
5 ай бұрын
It doesn't help that Viv said that's her favourite joke in the show. It's almost like she doesn't 'actually' think rape is a bad thing if she can add a rape joke into a show that 'also' wants to tackle it as a serious issue. If Viv actually cared to portray rape as this horrible, monstrous thing, the thought of making a joke scene with rape as the punchline would never have crossed her mind.
@AndroidHarris
5 ай бұрын
That wasn't the same episode loser baby is episode 4. The bar was more episode 6. Its hell making inappropriate jokes is fine. Loser baby i think wasnt even about changing their self destruction it was more about accepting and laughing at their circumstances together.
@weirdfishes364
4 ай бұрын
u referring to Dumbsville?
@catboytartaglia
6 ай бұрын
I think pacing and coherence is Viv's biggest issue with writing, not just for Hazbin, but for Helluva as well. As you said in your video, she has way too many ideas she wants to include into her show that nothing really follows a coherent and reasonable timeline of development, and even the individuals feel really jarbled because it's jumping between so many ideas. I watched Hazbin with a few friends in a call, and we could barely keep up with all the new additional information it kept piling onto itself, and we were left not feeling dissatisfied, but just confused on what even happened
@catboytartaglia
6 ай бұрын
While having only 8 episodes DEFINITELY contributed to this issue, her problem with pacing is an issue she consistently had even outside of this limit
@catboytartaglia
6 ай бұрын
My other issue I have with Hazbin is kind of... I hate to say it, but the fact its overly-edgy? I'm not sure any other way to word it, but everything the characters do feel so hyperbolically evil or angelic or way too much of something (especially in Hell, where everyone is constantly just killing people and acting evil and mean 100% of the time) that we can barely process them as characters or people
@damonlam9145
6 ай бұрын
There a reason why the term "kill you darlings" exist, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.
@biker_buckets3629
6 ай бұрын
I believe vivziepop has mastered the art of “Fumbling The Bag”
@FlashGordonRox69
6 ай бұрын
It would of made more sense if Adam’s hatred for demons came from Lilith leaving him for lucifer and then lucifer telling eve to bite into the apple and possible seducing her, so he slaughters countless demons every year out of spite against lucifer for stealing his first wife and getting his second wife banished from the garden of Eden. It would of made the final fight scene were Adam fights lucifer so much more dramatic instead of being treated as a joke and it would of made Adam a much more interesting and somewhat sympathetic character instead of the clown he turned out to be.
@TOMNICE
6 ай бұрын
Damn. How come i see so many people coming up with better ideas for this series than Vivziepop herself? The same you can see in fanfics, many of them are much better written than the canon.
@ajakakakak
6 ай бұрын
Fr. Doesn’t mean he can’t be a sadistic piece of shit, who shows 0 care for demons and enjoys the extermination, but a little bit of depth like this would go a long way
@herpderp5727
6 ай бұрын
And why not have Adam rebuke Lucifer seemingly rizzing up both his wives. It's like we're supposed to see Lucifer is some Casanova chad whom Adam's wives "didn't seem to hate what he had to offer bow-chika-bow-wow.". The exchange is treated like it's supposed to be a "take that" moment from Lucifer to Adam. Except, both ended in failure. We're now told that Lucifer and Lilith split since Charlie was little in episode 5 IIRC. Adam could've mockingly asked Lucifer "Hey "Casanova" didn't you and Lilith split? Did you drive her away too, or did she just grow tired of you?" Eve accepting Lucifer's fruit resulted in both Lucifer and Lilith being banished to Hell, which resulted in Lucifer falling into depression. "Didn't you curl yourself into a ball after the whole fruit fall fiasco? Yikes, after seeing that disaster it's no wonder Heaven never listened to you." These momentarily stun Lucifer, and allow Adam to get a hit in with his blast, sending Lucifer into the ground. This would've made Adam more intelligent and threatening, but we can't have the villain be competent now can we?
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
@@TOMNICE coming up with better ideas for the show than the showrunner is not that difficult a feat to be honest.
@MrSophire
5 ай бұрын
The main issue with the story is she is using Jewish-Christian mythology without understanding the very basics of their philosophy. Why is sex outside of marriage wrong, why is doing drugs wrong etc. no instead she made Adam a jerk and made the Devil sympathetic. She doesn’t understand why eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was wrong. She made heaven hypocritical without knowing why. Jewish and Christian morality is not about just following rules and being “nice”. There’s more to it.
@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq
5 ай бұрын
There is another show on KZitem it’s about the devil and the devil is nice
@asmodeus304
5 ай бұрын
whats REALLY funny is that bc of this (not understanding the underlying philiosophy) what charlie wants (redeeming sinners) isnt even anti-christian. the idea of people changing and repenting is like...half the point of christianity, to my understanding. its not even a controversial or anti-christian take, its just dressed up in controversial aesthetics
@maritofuentes4690
5 ай бұрын
I'll say it Lucifer being an "avid dreamer whos ambitions where crushed" makes absolutely no sense I am absolutely sure that the "roo" character because vivzie needed to shift Lucifer blame to someone else Since he's kinda to blame for literally everything that happens in the show
@christopherbravo1813
5 ай бұрын
that's probably my biggest criticism with this show. I have long held the belief that it is difficult if not impossible for people who are neither Christians nor Jews to understand the Word of God, and this show is only further evidence of that.
@christopherbravo1813
5 ай бұрын
@@asmodeus304 the issue is that even in Christianity, Hell is the absolute end for those who rejected God's offer of mercy. Once you're there, that's it. You're done for good. If Charlie did what that one priest did and attempted to rehabilitate sinners *before* they went to Hell, then yeah. That'd be perfectly in-line with Christian teachings. instead she's trying to redeem people who have already had their chance and chosen to squander it.
@ItsAK9
6 ай бұрын
Beautiful points! One of my main gripes with the show was how they handle death. What does dying ACTUALLY mean in this universe??? Because it's so contradictory with adam saying "A man only lives once. Did you forget that hell is forever?" Like, THEN IF HELL IS WHY DO PEOPLE IN HELL DIE???? It's so stupid.
@tiablue9106
6 ай бұрын
apparently there were lore explanations given (prolly on twitter) how dying in the afterlife works but I forget them tbh. and it's not like they were in the show. I think it's basically that if anything angelic hits u then ur gone forever, but anything else u can recover or smth
@Ramsey276one
6 ай бұрын
@@tiablue9106 those dying in hell respawn... *Painfully* Makes sense because H311 Angel Purge is FINAL DEATH, though!
@regenbogenwolf
6 ай бұрын
@@Ramsey276one That's fine but it should've been explained in the shown itself, given that it is important information for the setting. Also wouldn't "you cease to exist" kind of death still be a form of freeing yourself from your supposed to be eternal punishment? Logically there should be at least some sinners, who try to get killed by the angels so they can escape hell.
@Ramsey276one
6 ай бұрын
@@regenbogenwolf Good point there!
@chrisbacon1275
6 ай бұрын
Right? I wish they could've gotten into what exactly happens when they "die" a second time. Do they get placed elsewhere? Purgatory? Do they just disappear? Even in just a little sentence or something like "Did you forget that hell is forever?... wellll except for those who get sent to the darkness of course-" and then he could've explained the killings. Fucking SOMETHING
@MiaoNya
6 ай бұрын
One of, if not the greatest, and most important rules in all of storytelling is this: _Show, don't tell._ Hazbin Hotel often *told* us that things happened, and that characters developed. It never *showed* us _how_ these things happened. Being *shown* these things, allows us to experience the sensation of an actual story. _Words, actions, emotions;_ not mere descriptions of what already came to pass. The closest we ever got to that, was the interaction between Angel Dust & Husk. It's incredibly disappointing to see genuinely interesting story beats being thrown into the trash.
@tiablue9106
6 ай бұрын
I rly noticed it in ep 3 when they said being in the warzone actually helped angel, husk and sir pentious bond. I guess I can see them bonding over going thru such a dangerous experience (as they showed thru them laughing and reminiscing on it) but I felt a bit cheated that all the focus was on vaggie for that whole time. I would've liked to see those 3 get closer and protect each other during the battle
@bloodyidit4506
6 ай бұрын
Except it did show them develop cause none of yall saw the show, and you're just telling everyone you did lol
@Jly_1945
5 ай бұрын
@@bloodyidit4506no they didn’t hazbin hotel goes on the telling you what happened with the bare minimum of showing us that to the point it’s forgetful and underwhelming
@bloodyidit4506
5 ай бұрын
@@Jly_1945 You're allowed to have shallow opinions and it's clear you didn't watch.
@Jly_1945
5 ай бұрын
@@bloodyidit4506 it’s clear ur bitter cuz the majority is right lol
@MahiruKoizumi
6 ай бұрын
28:30 im so glad someone said this, I always see people say pentious' redemption was one of the best parts about the show but them getting into heaven despite barely showing any character improvement to earn it, really made me scratch my head
@frsl2820
Ай бұрын
The writing of this "show" seems to have been done by a TikTok and Wattpad user. Wattpad because it's cringe, fanservicey, and has a toxic fandom, Tik Tok because it's cringe and seems to kill people's attention spans. And let's face it, if it weren't for the sexualization of the merch and the fan service this show would be dead.
@pjdixon6199
Ай бұрын
Sure pal, whatever you say 👍
@speeddemon5339
6 ай бұрын
Something I hated is when Alastor started using modern insults like “clout chasing,” to Vox. Vox should be the one saying that, not Alastor, especially considering how set in his ways Alastor is.
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't like how Alastor shifted into a sassy swearing edge lord as opposed to a shady yet charming radio host how he was in the pilot. It's like they tried to make him progressive in a way, modernized him when he's someone who believes his time period was the best
@A_C_E1537
6 ай бұрын
@@blackchickiedee7 I totally get what you mean. But I always thought of it just being Alastor learning the terms to piss Vox off more. 😅
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
@@A_C_E1537 well, I can say that just me, because of his mixed background he would understand shady AAVE remarks, maybe even think some are funny. But also, Alastor is from the South where people throw shade or make underhanded comments - I wish we could have seen that with Alastor. I feel like not only would it tie in with his personality but also where he grew up
@A_C_E1537
6 ай бұрын
@@blackchickiedee7 Hm, yeah. That would’ve been nice to see.
@asaknight321
6 ай бұрын
I really hate how the show's plot took a running start and went from "let's redeem and help sinners and try to survive in this hellish world" into "WE NEED TO SAVE THE WORLD IN 6 MONTHS" like the whole reason I got into this show in the first place was because the idea of one gentle and loving soul trying to help others in a hellish and dark place like hell is a cool concept. It would've been nicer to move into it during later seasons but it feels like we get the best moments of a 3 seasoned show into 8 20 minute episodes
@gamecubechair9066
6 ай бұрын
The new Just Stop avatar jump scare!!!
@Picccles_hates-dbl
6 ай бұрын
Bro, he's gone through like 6 of these
@The_Robbing_Narrator
6 ай бұрын
Why does he look like he has a cold lol
@GingerGamerDoofus
6 ай бұрын
He looks like "Stoner Friend" Bryson now
@DoublePack337
6 ай бұрын
He looks werid
@Linudroit
6 ай бұрын
Its like a Pixar character in 2d
@THERATSANDTHERATS
6 ай бұрын
This is something I need to say is that Hazbim Hotel doesn't understand how to use swearing in writing, swearing can be a GREAT tool to highlight moments, the word fuck can be genuinely great to make things more emotional, more angry, more intense. And frankly Hazbin Hotel just doesn't understand how to use it, the word fuck is said too much and it makes the word meaningless, fuck loses impact and purpose, it loses the emotional punch it can have, a trailed off quiet under the breath "Fuck..." can add to a moment, it can be a moment of shock, a moment of failure, but if fuck is said 15 times minutes before that moment that fuck LOSES all its punch and reason to exist
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
This is why I wish in episode 8, Alastor either said "I'm about to end your fucking life" or "What just happened? ...Fuck", and not both.
@turqussy
2 ай бұрын
like bojack horseman
@jackwhite2654
6 ай бұрын
This advice is going to be really useful to me. Whenever I write something for my webcomic, I focus too much on hitting plot points, and not enough on what those moments mean for the characters.
@damonlam9145
6 ай бұрын
The term "kill you darlings" exist for a reason, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.
@flowerbloom5782
6 ай бұрын
Yeah I really recommend localscriptman, Abbie emmons, and d&d dm community really helps a lot with writing advice.
@bloodyidit4506
6 ай бұрын
You actually do need to hit plot points. Feely writing can just turn people off if it's all you do. Don't be an extremist.
@pawnhearts8785
6 ай бұрын
Watching a highly critical and negative video on _Hazbin_ after JUST watching a video praising it (schnee's "Hazbin Hotel's MASTERY of tone") is whiplash.
@gem9535
6 ай бұрын
Hey, me too! XD
@daryltor7608
6 ай бұрын
I like that guy
@ern1609
6 ай бұрын
We need more positivity videos in the future. Not just for Hazbin but many other shows.
@Jdudec367
6 ай бұрын
@@ern1609 Literally....I get negatively is big but genuinely? It feels off putting compared to the positively at this point even though I know most people don`t hate the show.
@Jdudec367
6 ай бұрын
@@ern1609 I will say though that like wtih Cartoonshi going through snipbits of this video while I disagree with parts of it (like Adam) it honestly isn`t that unfair, maybe even more fair then his Helluva Boss video in some areas which felt more negative. Hell they both called it a mess but it being a mess doesn`t even necessarily mean that it`s bad.
@mano447
5 ай бұрын
The best I can describe the series is that it feels like it's made from a lonely edgy teen that wrote it and never developed
@Gayintheback
5 ай бұрын
it's babies first edgy comic but with a high budget
@turqussy
2 ай бұрын
all her work gives that vibes, like even more so with helluva
@Blingy
5 ай бұрын
Yea even when watching the show originally I didn't notice the plot holes or bad pacing. But I did notice how Angel Dust's redemption was speedran and he suddenly was already a better person just in time for Charlie to show Heaven her program works. But Angel Dust's been under Val's control and has been addicted to drugs and sex for so long so his redemption should NOT have been that fast
@WobblesandBean
5 ай бұрын
23:20 That's because Charlie is a Mary Sue and Viv can't bear to have her protagonist ever be wrong. *_About anything._*
@1sdragon
13 күн бұрын
She was wrong though ,in the show charie goes from believing that anyone can change to understanding and changing that belief as she keeps seeing more things
@gorman1852
12 күн бұрын
I would say yeah Charlie is definitely not a great protagonist (I have seen some much fanfiction that portray Charlie better than the show did). But in regards to Viv thing if Blitz could be considered a protagonist then he is definitely wrong about a lot of things but hey that’s your opinion I don’t object to it.
@Krantzingoing
7 күн бұрын
That’s not what a Mary Sue is people need to stop saying it at every corner. For a Mary Sue Charlie sure as Hell get almost no personal development, she’s secondary in her own show, she’s just a tool. She’s here to move the plot where all the protag gets good stuff and attention. She’s not the most powerful and barely does anything so you can’t say she takes the place of others protag in stuff they’re supposed to be the best at. Almost no one likes her. She have only 1 and solid love interest. The narrative doesn’t bend previously written stuff to make her right, it’s just established to be that way from start. Like even in ep 1 we know she’s aware Heaven are just bloodthirsty hypocrites. Nothing she does works until The very end and just brings her problems. People see a writing issue and call it Mary Sue, it’s why I don’t trust most hazbin « critics » Really. As an exemple duum Slayer is top tier Gary Stu.
@coughidareyou3797
5 ай бұрын
You said it all, tbh this show feels like it was written for children, shallow writing, songs that explain the episode's moral, 1 dimensional charachters, like who wrote this, Whats worse is that there actual better written kid shows out there to watch
@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398
5 ай бұрын
No way in hell she has been cooking up the idea of Hazbin for 10 years when we got such a mess of a first season.
@hibikiholmes2867
6 ай бұрын
I think the whole setup for the Angels Vs Devils/Sinners thing had become too predictable for me. Maybe it's because I've been playing one too many Shin Megami Tensei games, but it just feels clichéd when it ends up with "Heaven bad, Devils are rebels against The System™" yadda yadda yadda. It would've been more interesting to see Hazbin Hotel actually carry out its task of reforming sinners and see each one ascend to Heaven. Maybe instead of focusing on reforming one, we could see a variety of characters in each episode. Each one coming in as a sinner, Charlie figures out what sin they've commited in life, gets to the root of it, confronts them with it, they have a heart-to-heart and by the end of the episode we see them take on a more angelic form. Perhaps it's too simple and may get a tad repetitive, but at least it honours the original pitch of this show. I dunno, just ANYTHING that doesn't devolve to making the angels into dictators and the literal devils as some kinda "misunderstood" underdog.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
I was worried it would end up that way, but I think it ended up being more nuanced than that. We see that the other angels aren't as bad as Adam, and in fact most of them are unaware of the exterminations. Sera might not care much about Hell's inhabitants, but she comes off as someone who's genuinely afraid that demons could become a threat to Heaven while Adam seems like he's just making excuses to kill them. With Hell, it is true that the show whitewashes Lucifer and the higher up demons seem overly compassionate from what we've seen of them, but we also see that many demons are pretty brutal and Angel Dust and Sir Pentious are portrayed as people who are genuinely trying to be better, instead of just being misunderstood. After all, there's no reason for redemption if someone hasn't done anything that they need to be redeemed for. There are criticisms you can make of how the show handled the conflict, but I still feel it managed to be a little better than "Angels are oppressive asswipes, demons are cool rebels".
@christopherbravo1813
5 ай бұрын
@@Corrector1 Bot Account detected seriously, are you guys not able to do anything other than regurgitate the exact same talking points ad infinitum?
@angel_of_rust
4 ай бұрын
Grey Area-isms and GoodBad-BadGood-ism ruined this show
@christopherbravo1813
4 ай бұрын
@@angel_of_rust Amen.
@garbagetoaster8828
6 ай бұрын
Honestly? I can respect the show for what it WANTED to do. If I had the opportunity to make a show with the characters I’ve worked on for the past decade, but got told “you have 8 for the first season, then you’ll see what we can do for the second” I’d be going buck fucking wild too. It’s a deeply flawed show, but I respect the attempt. It’s like watching someone trying to do a kick flip and face planting after landing it. Respect for the attempt, but more practice is needed for that.
@flowerbloom5782
6 ай бұрын
Yeah. But at some point writers must learn restraint. RARELY there is perfect production and total freedom in any show. I learned a lot from recent shows this lesson, sacrifices is necessary.
@---ro1fc
6 ай бұрын
@@flowerbloom5782 I agree, and if I was just handed the premise, cutting down is the first thing that I would do. BUT- as someone with a couple passion projects in the background of my shorter stuff- if I’d finally been greenlit to show off something I’d been thinking about since middle or high school, I would have been devastated by the episode count they wound up with and can see a world where I might’ve crammed in as much as I could, lol. Wouldn’t be the right thing to do, but (and I’m not necessarily talking about you) I see a lot of comments really tearing into the creator for overindulging herself or ‘not thinking about it more than five seconds’, when in reality, I think it’s a pretty understandable action I can sympathize with. Maybe if so much of the planning HADN’T been posted online before hand, and she hadn’t had a decade to stew in everything and confuse what is ESSENTIAL to keep (because again: passion project. If she’s anything like me, she gets really attached to ideas and can’t let them go), it would have been easier to cut the cord? But I think the added pressure of everyone expecting to see certain characters and a more complicated story (minus the Heaven stuff, which was the most confusing choice to me) encouraged the team to make something, well, complicated, and they overfilled their plate. Again, not the right choice, but I understand why it happened. It made for some terrible groundwork and a whole mess of problems, but given all that, I’m actually surprised the show is as fun as it is, even if it falls apart under a microscope.
@Featheryfaith7
6 ай бұрын
Not just inconsistencies but plot holes. Inconsistencies can cause plotholes. Lots of plotholes. This series needs a reboot.
@Gayintheback
5 ай бұрын
the biggest plot hole I noticed was Vaggie not knowing angels could be harmed with angelic weapons when she literally got her eye taken out by one.
@Featheryfaith7
5 ай бұрын
@@Gayintheback Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Carmilla wasn't even wearing Angelic weapons. Her shoes were white not silver. Angelic weapons are silver. It should be a light grayish color but with special effects like in HB...
@anlydaly5726
5 ай бұрын
The fact that Hazbin hotel just released, it's on its first season, and people can already see that it needs a reboot is.... yikes. (I agree with your point I'm just saying that for a show this is really bad)
@X-SPONGED
5 ай бұрын
@@Gayinthebackthe only explanation I can find for that is "Vaggie thought she was fallen and the fallen CAN be harmed by angelic weapons" or "she meant she didn't know angelic weapons can kill the angels, not harm them, you misread the scene"
@Featheryfaith7
5 ай бұрын
@@X-SPONGED No, the point is that Vaggie would have died by the angelic weapon which led everyone to confusion since she didnt die. Plus her eye would have been recovered along with her wings due to the power of love, I guess. Whatever, Vivziepop.
@rulerzreachf4n34
6 ай бұрын
Your point on how the perspective of the concept of Hell would change if sinners went there for only minor offenses really made think of how great The Good Place handled this sort of concept. Seriously, it does a lot of what Hazbin attempts to do SO MUCH BETTER.
@Rhetoricalquestion-m6c
6 ай бұрын
Nice to see a fellow good place fan
@bazzfromthebackground3696
6 ай бұрын
This show needs a therapist. Like seriously, they need somebody with some kind of therapy background to consult on the script writing. It feels like they want to do therapy speak but don't know the words they need in any situation.
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
Religious consultants would help too. Would make the show slightly better.
@cam3127
5 ай бұрын
26:06 So I just realized that the Hotel is TECHNICALLY working, but not because of Charlie. The reason why Angel got "clean" in the undisclosed time frame is because of Husk. The whole "Loser, Baby" bit and some of Angel and Husk's interactions are the slow process of recovery. The hotel "works", because Charlie is taking credit for doing nothing, while the bar tender who works for the Hotel is actually doing her job. Also I think Sir Pentious didn't have as much focus is that if we judge by Viv's "I like writing broken characters", Pentious isn't broken, wasn't "as bad" with vices and shit (he was really just shown to be awkward as shit and loved making cannon and battle blimps), so his climb to heaven wasn't really steep to begin with. Not to say the show wasn't rush and feels like they leave shit open for "hopefully" be wrapped up in Season 2.
@BismarckDidNothingWrong
5 ай бұрын
Something the show also never brings up is that Lucifer is responsible for literally everything Charlie's trying to fix; Lucifer was the one who turned Eve into the Root of All Evil, and Hell is this shit due to him being a bad ruler. If anything, Charlie should be the one rejecting her Dad for all the suffering he has caused, not be glad that he's back in her life.
@Godzillakuj94
6 ай бұрын
This show really feels like it gaslights Vaggie with that whole song about her needing to fight for love. She's so underused but she's always doing her best.
@redpanda6497
5 ай бұрын
That isn't what gaslighting means.
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
Let's think about it this way. She's being told this by demons. Demons are liars. She's being led away from Heaven by liars.
@ad1kher0gaming71
5 ай бұрын
One plot-hole that pissed me off in particular was that the Exorcists had no idea that their own weapons can kill them. Tell me this then- how was Vaggie's eye cut out? What did Lute use to do that? Hmmm? How did Vaggie not figure that out and tell Charlie in the first place (aside from the fact that it would reveal she was an angel). And how Adam reacted in the finale too- Rather than ,,Oh shit, they figured out our weakness" it was ,,Shit, our weapons can kill us?" HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT!?
@stuartward1755
Ай бұрын
I mean it's obvious that Vivziepop's entire writing style revolves around sex jokes, daddy issues and swearing like a 13 year old trying to be cool.
@lovediedin2009
4 ай бұрын
hazbin is a great case study for why you need filler episodes. if you barely know the characters, what they go through doesn't matter. think of it this way, would you feel more impacted hearing a random person you've never met got killed, or hearing that your next door neighbour who you talked to every morning got killed?
@castform7
6 ай бұрын
13:42 Filler has become another filthy word that doesn't get used properly. Right up there with over/underrated, iconic and any modern slang past 2019 after 2 months of its origin. Yes when literally nothing happens to the characters or plot in a serialized show, that is filler. But what also gets classified as filler is something that could further the characters in the future in small ways that add up but woops, nothing big happened to further the plot every 2 episodes in the first season. I can't believe they wasted so much time on filler. I remember a reply to a comment on a Hazbin video about how someone was disappointed about how Camilla was basically revealed with the fact that she killed the angel and how we had no time to care about her character to feel anything along with the mystery being rendered moot super quickly. The reply to that was roughly, "well at least they aren't wasting our time and you can care now". Listen, more power to you if you feel this way but I have to ask the big question of WHY?! Why should I care about a character I've never met and has no ties to our main cast doing something monumental for her children that I've also had like 2 seconds to get to know? If we were to see Camilla as a caring mother who protects her kids at any rate beforehand a couple times while sprinkling in the possibility of her killing the angel only to show her actually doing it after the build up, wouldn't that be better? Because now I have a deeper understanding of the characters and motivations they have to actually be invested in the decisions they make. In a serialized, character focused show, you kind of have to put a good deal of, oh I don't know, focus in the characters so they come off as nuanced and interesting as you want people to think they are without needing to slide into headcanons. You need to pace them and allow them to grow over time and not just be like "they're at this point now. We told the audience so now they have to believe us without the show actually making it believable if you critically think about it for more than a minute. Please clap". Filler is important because if handled correctly, filler adds to the plot without doing the absolute most to remind you the story is moving.
@lol3342
6 ай бұрын
Keith David carried the show
@pjdixon6199
6 ай бұрын
Cap
@thesmg201show
6 ай бұрын
I know right
@zorgnaxstash
6 ай бұрын
I loved him! Him, Alex Brightman (Adam/Sir Pentious), and Jeremy Jordan (Lucifer) were my faves.
@terrigo3987
6 ай бұрын
He sang like 1 song 🤨
@razarine
6 ай бұрын
He ate his performance UP but I wouldn’t say he was there often enough to carry it
@MimiMonday
6 ай бұрын
This is what happens when you try to make a show asking deep, complicated, and spiritual questions that require years of soul searching, enlightenment, and even (*gasp*) FAITH, but all you did was read demonology books and watch Disney. How do you make a story about redemption and your ANGELS have NO IDEA how humans go to Heaven? You can have your opinion about religion, but the objective truth is that Heaven is where the good people go, the redeemed and atoned included. I'm supposed to think Hell (full of lunatics and criminals) is somehow move civil, and to support sinners and devils because trauma. Meanwhile, I'm supposed to question (and even hate) Heaven and angels...because they do their ONE job of punishing sinners and fighting demons... See how dumb that sounds when you take out Vivienne's self-insert and her trauma circus?
@freetimesketchbook9485
6 ай бұрын
Exactly my problem, I'm completely expecting Hazbin hotel is gonna end with every single demon being redeemed and going to heaven without questioning because "Heaven is just full of evil perfectionists and sadists who don't believe in redemption owo" because vivziepop wants to project her anger on being criticized on her work
@castform7
6 ай бұрын
I feel like the word to describe HH is "ambition". Ambition is great. It strengthens your passions and makes you work to achieve those goals. However, too much ambition can go too far. Say I wanted to make a board game and I throw *every* cool idea in there regardless of if 2 ideas clashed or it made the game unclear or made the game a disjointed mess. I was ambitious, but at the cost of screwing over my game I worked so hard on because I didn't take a step back and differentiate my wants from the games needs. HH is a similar case. The big moments in a vacum, songs, animation and (at a glance) the characters are all fun charming, beautiful and interesting. When you actually look at the show however almost everything storywise falls apart. Plot points presenting themselves earlier and resolving faster than they should, characters and themes that speed through what the plot needs or don't get the time or energy they deserve so if you don't like, say, Vaggie at the start but want to see how she grows, tough toenails buddy boy. Way too many ideas thrown at the show so now it feels like it's going a million miles a minute and nowhere at the exact same time. All that and more in 8 episodes that were not used wisely so that when we do get that awesome finale, when you look at what came before it feels hollow. It is not lost on me that the 8 episodes were not the ideal amount the team wanted. It sucks that they were given such little time and no matter my opinion, I actually do respect not only the fact that they made a show that multiple people enjoy despite the flaws but also that this show, an originally indie project, even gets to exist in the first place. But respect isn't delusion and I can't ignore the problems this show has, especially since it's hanging out in the big leagues now. I don't hate Hazbin, not at all. I could never hate Alastor's smug grin. But I like it in a similar way that I adore Sonic. It's fun, but I'm not turning a blind eye to how flawed it is.
@jlwiseman98
6 ай бұрын
HH I'd say is an excellent case study on WHY "filler" episodes are important to any show thats strongly character driven. If you don't get time to understand your characters and the stakes, all the big moments won't matter as much. It looks cool, it's got great music, but story wise it's like if every episode was required to be as big an event as possible. You don't get time to breathe or enjoy a new plot beat before its immediately resolved. Right now the show is big and at the height of its popularity, but its premise and ideas can only get them by so long before the fans invested get tired of never being allowed time to be invested in any of these plots because of how fast they come and go.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, there are a lot of moments in "Hazbin Hotel" that I like, but many of them feel like they would have been more effective if that had been built up more.
@kn-jt9dj
29 күн бұрын
I think the show would've been more interesting if Charlie appealed to the selfishness of the sinners along with her push for redemption. Something simple like asking them if there's anyone they'd like to visit who didn't get trapped in hell - which I think works great for Angel specifically because his sister is in Heaven. Charlie could say something like, "Wait! Before you look the other way, there has to be someone you cared about in your previous life. Someone who always saw the best in you - someone you couldn't find down here? Someone you'd like to visit up there? So this way, you get selfish sinners who are only there to not get wiped out and do not care about bettering themselves, and you get slightly less selfish sinners who take in what Charlie says because they want to see their loved ones. They're not exactly interested in being better people for their own sake
@MrIAMNOTANOOB
6 ай бұрын
I had to lower my expectations when I heard the show was going to be a full series on a streaming service. I knew it wasn't going to be perfect. The most I could ask for was for the show to be good but not great. After watching all the episodes, I could see the show had its flaws, but I got what I asked for nonetheless.
@berilsevvalbekret772
6 ай бұрын
What was that can I ask? Because I got nothing
@MrIAMNOTANOOB
6 ай бұрын
@@berilsevvalbekret772 I asked for the show to be good, but not great. Many of the show's flaws have to do with its pacing. Some plot had to be rushed and therefore some potential side plots might've been cut out entirely for time constraints. They couldn't get everything they wanted into the show. If each episode was given 30 minutes instead of 22 and two more episodes were produced for a full season of 10 episodes instead of eight, maybe that would improve things. Still, this is a learning experience for the team that made this show. They'll likely learn from their mistakes and better manage episode/season length constraints for season 2 and onward.
@nevaehhamilton3493
6 ай бұрын
The show was actually awful, the more hindsight I was given through these critiques. And I refuse to have hope for Season 2, because let's face it, we all know the facts, Vivienne Medrano failed to write an actually good story. She failed to make her first impressions worthwhile. She failed as a member of the entertainment industry. She failed as a human being.
@MrIAMNOTANOOB
6 ай бұрын
@@nevaehhamilton3493 You blame the Creator for not putting in the same effort she put into the original pilot and Helluva Boss and that's okay.
@regenbogenwolf
6 ай бұрын
@@nevaehhamilton3493oh please, vizipop did not fail as a human being for creating a badly written show. All she really failed at is good writing, the animation is still fire, the songs are fun, there are some good dynamics with the characters and good concepts. It's just a shame that many of those won't reach their potential with the current writing standard of the show. Maybe Vizi should outsource the writing to a more capable person, or simply put the same amount of effort it must've taken her to learn animation to also learn good writing.
@zorgnaxstash
6 ай бұрын
I sooooo want to have human backstories explored in season 2! I know that this is a show about Hell (and Heaven) but the human background of most of these characters is so integral to determining their future trajectory. And I am DYING to see Alastor’s human form especially lol.
@msl2299
6 ай бұрын
I guess the saddest thing to me about Hazbin is how pacing and overflow of ideas undermines the whole show and its premise to me. I know they had only 8 episodes and were probably worried they will get cancelled and that’s why pacing was all over the place so they could push all those ideas with limited time they had. But like, lack of proper pacing really messes up the premise to me and just, it’s hard for me to care much for what is happening plot wise. I would have preferred if they used those episodes for characters and their dynamics rather than the Heaven and extermination day plots. While we talking about characters-I hoped for them to be like, more of bad people? Charlie was supposed to have quite a Herculean task of making all those horrible people change. But like, besides Alastor (Nifty feels more like a side character), no one from the main cast feels like there will be issue with redeeming them. Anywho I have a lot of thoughts about Hazbin. Don’t want to write whole paragraphs here but it’s not a bad show. Just very mediocre to me. It has some stuff I enjoyed but like, I don’t think I will be watching another season if it comes out. Cheers to those though who plan to keep going.
@artistanthony1007
6 ай бұрын
Worried about being cancelled is a horrible mindset and makes the show suffer, plus they were making a serious Adult Cartoon, you cant seriously be afraid, you commit to it and you make the demographic for teens or children if you arent wishing to commit at all.
@al8951
6 ай бұрын
Worrying about getting cancelled and therefore cramping everything in a way too small runtime is a terrible solution.
@47ratsinahoodie
6 ай бұрын
@@al8951 I think for something like Hazbin it's not really an issue. It's something people have been waiting to see and learn about for like 10 years now, and iirc Viv doesn't even really own it anymore, so when it's done, it's done. She can't tell that story anymore. So it's much more satisfying for fans to at least see some of the stuff we've been waiting for, instead of getting a ridiculously simplified story that doesn't touch on all the interesting stuff with the world and characters that we were so excited for. The writing still works, it's just not as clean as some people would like. But the important elements are there
@dariogaelreyes7534
6 ай бұрын
The Butch Hartman avatar takes me back
@tenshi.kurama
6 ай бұрын
I think it would have been more interesting if Charlie went to the court asking if heaven would be open to her and support her in TRYING to rehabilitating sinners instead of coming right out of the gates saying, Hey this works when its never worked before
@theunknowncommenter725
5 ай бұрын
That is how it should have happened. That and her father should really have been the actual antagonist pulling strings behind the scenes to make everything go wrong for her.
@Corrector1
5 ай бұрын
I had a thought today. You talked about how "Hello Rosie" acts like it's a big revelation that Vaggie should fight for Charlie instead of fighting for vengeance, even though Vaggie is always portrayed as putting Charlie first. This is also the episode where Vaggie says that she doesn't know anything that can hurt an angel, one episode after we saw that she was maimed by an angelic weapon. Maybe Ariel Ladensohn, the writer for the episode, just wasn't coordinating very well with the other writers.
@capt.artemislivius7601
5 ай бұрын
10 Writers = Too many cooks in the kitchen = Inconsistencies/Bad Worldbuilding and it shows...
@Corrector1
5 ай бұрын
@@capt.artemislivius7601 I said this on another video, but having more writers than you have episodes is dumb. You're just asking for inconsistency.
@yulee3266
5 ай бұрын
@@Corrector1 how many writers are you supposed to have?
@capt.artemislivius7601
3 ай бұрын
@yulee3266 1 or 2. No more. No less. Usually, there is an author with a central idea that the entire production has to build around. Even then, I don't think Vivziepop is that good of a writer. The fact that we're even discussing this just goes to show how far Hollywood and writers in general have fallen...
@yulee3266
3 ай бұрын
@@capt.artemislivius7601 I thought having multiple writers was a common thing for decades In movies and cartoons having at least 4 or 5 in the writers room
@no_0riginality937
5 ай бұрын
Looking at Hazbin/Helluva through a critical lens shows how much how flawed the writing is. Similar to Demon Slayer while the art and animation is GORGEOUS the moment you think about the writing and storytelling for more then 2 seconds everything falls apart.
@misterzygarde6431
6 ай бұрын
Learning about that bad review made me understand on why Hazbin Hotel’s fanbase is hostile to criticism. Anyways, I do hope the crew is still willing to take criticism
@witherslayer-7315
6 ай бұрын
Tbh blaming that one video for an entire fandoms behavior is pretty ridiculous imo
@artistanthony1007
6 ай бұрын
Viv had her chance, she refused to take it & use the good faith criticism, dont expect anything to improve.
@yeetthefeet2504
6 ай бұрын
@@witherslayer-7315I wouldn't say I personally blame it, moreso that I find it understandable to a degree. It was the first major critique of an indie project with a lot of passion and whatnot. It was an underdog project, it had an uphill battle, and that first popular critique was incredibly bad-faith, reactionary, obnoxious, and shit overall. I can understand why some people are very defensive over the show. It inherently had a harder time than most mainstream projects of generating attention, AND, it still gets hurled with idiotic criticisms to this day. (Tim Pool for example, trying to claim that the show is attempting to groom minors or some dumb shit like that.) However, it's not above criticism, and it contains a pretty long list of glaring issues. Something that a lot of fans don't understand for reasons I can sympathize with, but ultimately find to be reductive and reactionary.
@cactusmangaming
6 ай бұрын
Hazbin Hotel fanbase is a fanbase of all kids so it’s not shocking they attack criticism.
@bloodyidit4506
6 ай бұрын
@@artistanthony1007 It sure as hell wasn't good faith friendo. Yall have been hostile for this shit for your petty political reasons from the start. Get out of the way.
@Kingdomall
4 ай бұрын
the "Vaggie being an angel" thing drives me nuts. why? the show really struggles with making us believe that she is a demon. when charlie went to the meeting, I was fully expecting her to use Vaggie as an example of a redeemable demon, because she supposedly had none of the standard demon flaws. angel dust being the one to be showcased though make NO sense. this show was just a jumbled mess that rlly needs to improve.
@jackawaka
Ай бұрын
Hazbin hotel feels very flashy with interesting visuals and no depth whatsoever. Distracting the audience with songs like jingling keys
@AzraelSoulHunter
6 ай бұрын
So many good points made here man. I already made like 2 comments, but now all I will say is that this series has a lot of potential, but it is squandered by Viv's inability to just let things go, listen and improve. It feels like she is surrounded by bunch of Yes man unable to tell her no and only reinforce her belief that anyone critical is in the wrong. Honestly I feel bad for her and this show because of it. So many missed opportunities and wasted potential. It's sad to see. Maybe Season 2 could be better, but given that it's already voiced it probably wont be MUCH better so at best they will take things into consideration in Season 3 which is apparently the final one... Yeah...
@damonlam9145
6 ай бұрын
There a reason why the term "kill you darlings" exist, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.
@Corrector1
6 ай бұрын
I'm holding out a little hope that they've introduced most of the main players by now and season two will feel a little more focused.
@blackchickiedee7
6 ай бұрын
If a third season will happen, I heard the creator was only given two because she was difficult to work with... Though I agree, HH is a mess and it had potential to be something great up there with Justice League, Teen Titans, AtlA, Over the Garden Wall and many others. Waiting almost 5 years for a half baked series will forever be disappointing to me
@OhKayGuys
5 ай бұрын
I feel like a lot of the characters, especially Vaggie, had character development WAY too quickly. And yeah, they introduced way too many characters. If they's slowed down, it's likely that we could have seen more development from inside the hotel, and get more insight on the more prominent characters. This also might be a hot take but some of the songs seem super out of place or just thrown in to meet the "two songs an episode" thing
@troin3925
5 ай бұрын
I'm kind of reminded of how Susie from Deltarune got her arc completed in the very first chapter instead of being spread out across each chapter, but her's somehow still felt natural rather than rushed.
@Luckykitsune77
5 ай бұрын
There was a reason why I love the Hazbin hotel comics. Because they just explore the characters, with fun ideas like "date" night, cooking, christmas and so on. WE NEED A BEACH EPISODE OR FESTIVAL EPISODE FOR HAZBIN HOTEL SO WE CAN LEARN ABOUT THEM!!
@davidonukwugha6954
5 ай бұрын
personally the shows ideas were effectively a half baked version the good place, which brillianntely explored these ideas of heaven and hell so much more interestingly
@Gayintheback
5 ай бұрын
It took me awhile to notice the similarities because the aesthetics of the two shows are so different but you are so right. HH is just a juvenile, edgy version of the good place. Now I need to go rewatch the good place to get this brain rot out of my head
@TheLashDog
6 ай бұрын
Knowing Vivzie, if there was someone who did try to help her by reigning in her ideas focusing on the ideas that work and help the structures of both Hazbin and Helluva boss and scrapping the ideas that don't work or putting them aside to be used later which would in turn help her and the crew stay focus, she'd probably pack a tantrum on twitter about it
@naganut9718
6 ай бұрын
Honestly the one thing that keeps me hooked into the series is Alastor. His design, personallity, mystery, is probably one of the more consistent aspect about the show. Hell without him I probably wouldn't have watched the show, nor do I think much of it will work as well without him
@castform7
6 ай бұрын
Have to agree, Alastor is the most consistently above average thing in this show that isn't the animation or songs. Part of me feels like it's because he's the people's champ, even the writers, to where they paid extra attention to him to make sure he stuck the landing in most regards. I just hope he keeps sticking the landing as the series continues.
@eatatjoes6751
6 ай бұрын
Oh, 100%.
@Xxxfallen_angelxxX
4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, that's up for debate too. I loved pilot Alastor (aside from the voice too). I loved how mysterious and cynical yet playful he was. But, in the actual show, he's way more bent to be this edgy guy who has to constantly remind you he's up to no good, whereas pilot Alastor was more deceiving in his ways.
@WobblesandBean
5 ай бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the writing is awful. Viv is an animator, not a writer. And it shows.
@WSendam
6 ай бұрын
I miss the long hair avatar
@user-op8fg3ny3j
6 ай бұрын
Zame
@mittag983
6 ай бұрын
Same
@naganut9718
6 ай бұрын
Same
@SpecialTungi2006
4 ай бұрын
Another problem in the show, which some people don't mention so much is the Hotel (The old one). I feel they using the hotel not really worth. it's too fast for destroyed, we hardly know much about the hotel like the history or how it was created. Such a pity, if the show has more episodes we should be able to explore each room to collect the details or clues in the place.
@starry-eyedatstarryskies1797
6 ай бұрын
Ever since it premiered I had been struggling to get my thoughts together and voice how disappointed I was with the show, and it's like you read my mind. Hazbin had so much potential and I don't think it's lived up to it. Honestly as much as I really like a lot of the songs, I would trade all of them for one or a couple of scenes of characters having a group therapy session or something, just getting to know each other and forming relationships and bonds we could invest in. Angel's been my favorite from the start and I really wanted to see in depth his trauma, struggles, and path to recovery.
@shayx030
4 ай бұрын
How did the angels not know that their own weapons could kill them? Like what about when Vaggies eye got gouged out? Still didn’t know? ☠️
@personapokemaster8844
6 ай бұрын
I think you nailed all the reasons why this show messed up its execution and what it could have done differently, Just Stop. As a fan of the show, it has its good moments, but there are so many glaring issues with it, that waiting for and relying on a potential future season that could be axed to answer them instead of addressing them in said first season feels lazy and inefficient to me. I also like how you mentioned near the end that we don't know what decades these sinners were from since most of them have nebulous or undisclosed backgrounds besides some superficial traits or what outfits they wear and how they speak. What I want to know is why they turn into the beings they become in hell, why does Angel look like a spider? Why is Valentino a butterfly/moth? Why do some characters have humanoid features and others more animalistic ones, does that have something to do with their life, how they died, what their earthly circumstances were like that led them to this point etc? those as well as the ones you mentioned would have done so much for the worldbuilding, which is one of my favorite things to delve into when it comes to new shows. I also say this as a budding writer myself with loads of creative ideas to implement, that most of the best ideas that I've added into my personal works have been created with the help of editors, outside forces and people not familiar with my work who help to oversee, critique, analyze and judge my work while give me pointers on how to improve upon barely fleshed out concepts and story beats. I say this as someone who enjoys Vivziepop's work, that she needs to have the equivalent of a moneyman or logistics person to reign in her creative chops and make sure she's not deviating too much to the point where it feels like she's jumping the shark. She needs to have someone who can tether her down to the ground when it feels like she's floating too far into the clouds of imagination so to speak. Someone who can reassure her that while her ideas are cool, that she needs to prioritize focusing on one or two plot points at a time instead of tacking on so many subplots and unnecessary characters that it would give a person with ADHD a headache. Of course, this is just one man's opinion on how she could improve her show. I'd love to hear if you guys feel the same way as well.
@vhskids398
6 ай бұрын
This video made me realize they made charlie a Mary sue i knew the writing was done dirty on her but I couldn't put my finger onto what was done wrong you couldn't have said it better onto her character 4 months of no improvement but then conveniently there is when it's needed? Not just that all the good character plot ideas you gaven charlie yet they didn't take any of these ideas to mind of these character flaws the only flaw i could find of her is that she's impulsive
@DrawciaGleam02
6 ай бұрын
Eh, some other youtubers have pointed out a few flaws in Charlie. I personally see a flaw of tunnel vision when it comes to convincing people about the hotel. Heck, one of her allies shares Adam's belief that hell is forever! Charlie's failure in the heaven episode might have hit harder if she had gotten more evidence about her plan working than just one patron improving their behavior...... But gathering such evidence takes a long time. And Charlie didn't seem to have the patience to wait until she really had ironclad evidence heaven couldn't deny......
@vhskids398
6 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 oh 100% it's one of the reasons why believe Charlie is impulsive 4 months and she yet conveyed that much evidence?? Even with 4 months it's not lot but a good few
@vhskids398
6 ай бұрын
@deoxyribomorph99 I say bad writing because she seems so much more interesting in the pilot 💀💀
@yungmuney5903
4 ай бұрын
Imagine thinking mary sue is still a valid term 😂
@firasempire5294
4 ай бұрын
one thing you forgot to mention is that the lore dump of the first episode invalidates the entire point of the damn hotel, because charlie should know that heaven isn't doing this because of overpopulation because if you remember she was the one reading the book and giving us the damned exposition
@Spiritlikes99
6 ай бұрын
vivizie had already Helluva boss up and running as habzin hotel was produced but it seems like she had learnt nothing of the mistakes she made on helluva boss making habzin hotel turn WORSE then helluva boss since helluva boss stuck to its main plot for atleast the first season but habzin hotel abandoned it like almost IMMEDIATELY first was the hotel,then sub plot alastor and vos then theres the vees the overlords the angel death adam angel dust and valentino and yada yada yada its just TOO rushed and barely stuck with its main premise so thats why i think helluva boss is better then habzin hotel but hey lets see if my opinion still holds when habzin hotel season 2 comes out
@damonlam9145
6 ай бұрын
There a reason why the term "kill you darlings" exist, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.
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