Regardless of where you stand on this issue of George VS Ryan Condal, HBO had a good response to what George said and them standing behind the HotD showrunner and writers was a good move on their part. Though I find it interesting how George has never went after Dave & Dan as much as he did Ryan Condal with that blog post which makes me wonder if it was a matter of respect on D&D's part to George or the ending was very close to what George intended.
@SupremeUchiha
11 күн бұрын
I think it’s as simple as GOT was always going to be nearly impossible to make a great ending for with so many missing characters and GRRM was aware of this and probably made peace with it. On the other hand, HOTD is basically a finished story and they are butchering it. Also D&D never lied to him. They bought the show and him out of it for the final seasons because they didn’t want to make the show for “another 10 years”.
@koutli8073
11 күн бұрын
@@SupremeUchiha yeah, also he knows that the failure of GoT is in part his fault because he couldn't delivery the sixth book. It would be bad to trash them when he couldn't do his part. Otherwise in HotD they had a clear outline..
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
@@SupremeUchiha for a guy who writes so much political intrigue, he really should have gone behind D&D and gotten that 10+ season show both HBO and he wanted.
@nixielee
11 күн бұрын
GRRM is, of course, completely in the right and should not have deleted the post. If anything, he should defend his story even more vigorously and push for Ryan to be replaced. HBO could do much better with someone other than a teenage boy leading the direction and writing. He may look like an adult, but the show certainly doesn't feel like it. GRRM only touches on a few issues, but there are many more examples that made even less sense. It's not as though he only complained about the one thing that went wrong in season 2.
@Arcessitor
11 күн бұрын
@@SupremeUchiha Then George is a moron. Cause season 8 wasn't just not a good ending, it was unfiltered trash in every way. As a writer it should've hurt him that this is the best they could do, being as bad as it was.
@YnEoS10
11 күн бұрын
I think the reason he didn’t criticize Game of Thrones is because he didn’t finish the books, so he didn’t really have any ground to say anything without having held up his end.
@kpro8908
11 күн бұрын
He’s releasing a sequel to Fire and Blood soon, so I don’t think that’s it…
@acs7167
11 күн бұрын
@@kpro8908 if you havent read the book stfu
@papapedro6980
11 күн бұрын
@@kpro8908those are two completely different circumstances. The story of Hotd is completely finished in Fire and Blood, the sequel is just going to be more history/lore from other events on the timeline of Westeros. Game of Thrones had nothing to work on besides a few points given by George, Hotd already has a completed roadmap to follow all they have to do is fill in gaps and bring it to life.
@eds1942
11 күн бұрын
@@papapedro6980 When Martin left (GoT) after season 4, they (Dan & Dave) had 2 books and half a dozen sample chapters to work with. If they adapted 1 book per season (book 3 was adapted into seasons 3 & 4), that could’ve carried them (at least) part way into season 7 before they would’ve ran out of (book) material. Instead they claimed that they had no book material for season 5 and the rest, screwed up 2 storylines from those books (Dorne and the Iron Bourne).so bad that they dropped one of them, while everyone ripped them for their poor job with the other. They killed off and didn’t include important characters, and Tyrion stopped being smart and witty, and wasted a whole of time pointlessly building up (Jon) and with Stark family drama for the sake of drama, and scrapped years of character development and plot for Jon and Arya for a cheap “subverting expectations” and a redemption arch for Jamie, and “Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet”. The show was a mess by the time they got to season 7 and for their after show breakdowns, they sounded like they barely remembered what half the scenes were about or why they thought this or that was necessary except to try and duplicate the themes and shock moments from earlier seasons. With HotD, they lost a showrunner (leave just the one guy to run the show) and director both from season 1, they have several chapters (to work from for a several season show) from several accounts given sometimes (from) second or third handed, biased accounts, sometimes given years later, with the credibility and validity of one of the accouters being routinely questioned by the Maester who wrote the pseudo-history book. Meanwhile, they were halfway through filming season 2 when the writers strike began and Martin, who had already committed to developing other spin-off shows, decided to take a brake (in solidarity with the writers), basically leaving the showrunner (just the one guy now) and directors (without their writting team or Martin) to work out the scripts from drafts. And then Warner Bros, told them to cut, and HBO told them that they wouldn’t have the funds for another big battle and that they would have to cut two episodes, and then they actors went on strike. It’s really hard to understand why Martin came out so hard here, disproportionally. Because I fail to see why cutting two characters short at this point, justifies it comparatively considering how things played out during seasons 2’s development while HBO was throwing money at Dan & Dave for a few more full 10 episode seasons, offering even to hand the rains over after season 8 if (they didn’t want to finish it bacuase of the lack of material) they wanted to leave afterwards (for bigger contracts) Again, D&D had fully fleshed out book material in POV’s and dialog to carry the show for seasons 5, 6 and 7, and fumbled it in season 5, blaming it on the lack of book material. And again D&D was offered as much money that they needed to do full 10 episode seasons for 7, 8 and 9 with the option to not finish the series. While HotD only(had) a few chapters (to carry a multi-year show) written in the unriabile account format, and a writing (team) for only a few episodes, had the funds cut mid production after the writes took off and couldn’t even ask Martin for his advice (and one guy to oversee things).
@papapedro6980
11 күн бұрын
@@eds1942 Im not about to read all that dude. George left DnD with an unfinished book series to make an ending to and they botched it but George cant get too upset because he didnt finish his books. The conflict in hotd is wrapped up and well in the past lore-wise, all they really have to do is give it depth and bring it to life (much easier said than done but still a lot easier than attempting to finish ASOIAF in a satisfying manner after running out of source material). The sequel to Fire and Blood wont have anything to do with hotd since it will be covering the Blackfyre rebellions and the events surrounding them. Fire and Blood’s sequel not being released has nothing to do with hotd as a show
@wasistdustin
11 күн бұрын
the fact that the blog-post didn’t have a mood emoticon makes the whole thing a lot more scary
@alfieingrouille1528
11 күн бұрын
No scary is also correct @@asimhussain8716
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
#DARKGURM
@hristol7537
11 күн бұрын
Just an ominous “GRRM” at the last paragraph
@YoutubeStandardLicense
11 күн бұрын
That's the consistency of inconsistency we expect from him
@VHCosta
10 күн бұрын
Fewer.
@jmanjman2685
11 күн бұрын
Its just so frustrating that HOTD made such obvious writing mistakes that could have this show into a masterpiece.
@hayleys-w5q
11 күн бұрын
HBO kinda forgot that George's books are the only reason anyone subscribes to them.
@doktorcool3740
11 күн бұрын
I don't think so. Tons of people watched GoT who never heard about it before, nor had read the books, nor intend to read them now. More so with HotD, given that the underlying "book" is nowhere as interesting to read as ASoIaF. If they do S3 of HotD with many more changes, people will still watch it, because dragons, naked women and stuff. You and I might be disappointed that it's not like in the book, but if it's an entertaining story, others won't care.
@sin.contenido
11 күн бұрын
The show made the books as big as they are, not thw other way around
@unc54
11 күн бұрын
@@sin.contenido True but in 2024 what reason does anyone have to watch HBO?
@krystalccameron7689
11 күн бұрын
@@doktorcool3740too true, but his story, his world gave HBO their biggest win since Tru Blood and Ses and the City.
@thatamericanbritishbloke5672
11 күн бұрын
@@doktorcool3740 Stupid take that clearly misses the point. The show would not exist at all without the books. If there's no books, there's no show to adapt material from since HBO has proven themselves incapable of hiring competent writers.
@bobydean1839
11 күн бұрын
His minor criticisms on Maelor aren’t minor. He’s clearly tired of crucial characters being cut that leads to holes I the development of plot and other characters. We lost huge green sympathy without what happens to Maelor and his kings guard, we lose the final straw for Helena, we lose visual on the king’s landing new level of hate for Targaryens and dragons, and so much more.
@unc54
11 күн бұрын
Also, he emphasized the butterfly effect in his post and he purposefully used the Maelor omission as an example of how a minor tweak can cascade into much huger changes. Now imagine how he feels about major changes like Alicent's characterization?
@kpro8908
11 күн бұрын
Maelor is not a crucial character. As Preston points out in the full stream, there’s actually dozens of events, months of in-story time, and over a dozen pages between Maelor’s death and Heleana’s suicide. The “valor of the King’s Guard” shown in Maelor’s scene could easily be given to actually established Kings Guard characters instead with the significantly more narrative impact. The Greens are already sympathetic for losing a small child, insofar as that is a crutch for establishing sympathy. HotD was never going to show that riot scene. There’s no good reason to keep Maelor, and at least one great reasons to cut him.
@DanceLoversClub
11 күн бұрын
I’m glad you commented this because I’ve realised most of the people commenting on George’s post, have completely missed the point of it. They haven’t a clue what he was talking about.
@stefanvas6984
11 күн бұрын
I do not think leaving Maelor out is what troubled me personally this season. Helaena is obviously broken even now and I can totally see her ending the way she ended in the book. Septa Rhaenyra was probably the most annoying moment this season (on par with the escape of Meyles the previous season. They also changed Alicent a lot but I won't pass a judgement here before I see how Alicent will end up on the show.
@SR-zv5ue
11 күн бұрын
Maelor not being in the series actually makes better sense thematically. Because now that Aegon has no male heir after Blood and Cheese, he and the Greens are in the exact predicament that Team Black was in that questioned their legitimacy and claim to the throne. It’s ironic and it’s perfect story telling in that sense because it shows that the Greens ultimately didn’t care that Rhaneyra is a woman or bastard they just don’t want her to rule, and now they have to get behind weird claimants ruling if their sides win. It shows the fragility and stupidity of this heir legitimacy nonsense. If Maelor lived on later or never died then Aegon still would have a “legit” heir and not show the Greens hypocrisy.
@Mako2401
11 күн бұрын
Preston Jacobs thinks he knows the material better than GRRM. I don't know what's sadder, his illusions of grandeur and sniffing his own farts, or Carmine supporting him like he is some kind of a genius.
@prashantchauhan8716
11 күн бұрын
I bet he thinks he can write TWoW better than grrm
@billbob-eh9oc
11 күн бұрын
@@prashantchauhan8716 I bet he can write it faster.
@gingercatqueen4368
11 күн бұрын
@@billbob-eh9ocbut not better 🙃
@Male_Ficent
10 күн бұрын
@@billbob-eh9oc speed does not equal quality though
@ItsEricaBeyetch
7 күн бұрын
If grrm said haelaena committed suicide because of Maelors death I believe him. Preston's whole reasoning is too much time passed, so she did it for some other reason, which I don't get.
@thejoeshow1530
11 күн бұрын
Maylor missing was the reason blood and cheese sucked. A mother having to chose between two sons is the whole horror of it
@durranofthetower7306
10 күн бұрын
Maelor's existence is key to later events. How they're going to write that in in later seasons is the big issue
@PhilHug1
11 күн бұрын
“What’s the point of ‘fuck you money’ if you never say ‘fuck you’?” -GRRM, probably
@nakki123
11 күн бұрын
Well he has said fuck you to all his fans for never finishing his story.
@ekn_38
11 күн бұрын
Preston kinda forgot about how George planend on making multiple blogposts. He also kinda forgot about the butterfly effect and any other valid point made by George
@Andomans
11 күн бұрын
Exactly lmao Preston is out of touch
@iron_captain
11 күн бұрын
he did watch the full thing👨🦯
@1992zorro
11 күн бұрын
Preston kinda forgot logical thinking
@GabrielRodrigues-ro1ep
11 күн бұрын
Did you watch the video? He mentioned these points several times bro
@Ronin.97
11 күн бұрын
I love Preston but he almost always has a negative take on just about anything in the shows so I take it all with a grain of salt and just enjoy the jokes. Otherwise you'll find yourself massively hate watching the shows.
@Andomans
11 күн бұрын
Lmao Preston thinks he knows more than grrm is crazy. Keep on coping for Ryan condal and Sara mess. 😂
@1992zorro
11 күн бұрын
True, guy doesn't seem very bright
@TheBNCyo
11 күн бұрын
Preston is that guy that doesn't grow out of his god complex, something almost everyone is able to do before their 20s
@harrycreed2728
11 күн бұрын
I've only seen 3 or 4 of his videos and he's always come across as a moron
@bendricdayne2850
11 күн бұрын
Yeah idk what he’s talking about tbh. Yeah there’s like 40 pages between Maelor’s death and Haelena’s and a bunch of events and time passes by, but it is said that Haelena did not know about Maelor’s death until Mysaria breaks the news the night she ends up ending herself. So yeah, news of Maelor’s death is what makes Haelena end herself in the books. Idk what Preston was getting at when he said she does it for no reason in the books when we are given a reason.
@theboy1625
11 күн бұрын
Preston really tryna tell a man of success how not to express his grievances when he’s up there in age and only has so many years to try express himself when his work is getting mishandled. Fck the professionalism
@TheBNCyo
11 күн бұрын
hbo is pretty unprofessional when hiring these hacks to adapt his work so it's fair game
@Pepsiman1848
6 күн бұрын
Maybe he should actually finish some of that work instead of starting projects like this where he knows other people are going to get to control how it turns out
@theboy1625
11 күн бұрын
George has every right to yell like an old man. It’s his fuckin works. HBO would be nowhere if it weren’t for GOT. If a bunch of no talent hacks started butchering my work ima call it out too. Preston’s trippin
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
He seems to think George has some duty to keep people botching his work on HBO's payroll lol
@TheLastSane1
11 күн бұрын
HBO is the only reason GoT is popular and the only George has any fame to speak of. HBO has existed for decades and had hits like the Wire, Trublood, etc on before GoT. The fact is that George also likely just broke an NDA by bringing up Season 3. Which means he is likely going to get sued for breaking it.
@kennyhudson9201
11 күн бұрын
LOL. HBO would still great without Game of Thrones. HBO has given the world many all time series, with GOT being just one among many. GOT is just an overrated soap opera anyway. The Targaryens are lame.
@theboy1625
11 күн бұрын
@@kennyhudson9201 yeah I know I’m just being dramatic
@kwwildchild1
11 күн бұрын
@@TheLastSane1 F that. You could just as easily say the only reason HBO is so relevant in 2024 is because of George's work. I'm sorry, but I'm taking Daddy George's side in the divorce if it comes to that.
@gingercatqueen4368
11 күн бұрын
I won’t be coming back for season 3 or A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. I’m done with this world being adapted to the screen. And I’m Done with people giving excuses. There are NO excuses for HBO doing this. And GRRM has every right to express his opinions. It’s his universe. I support George.
@MetalMilitia83
11 күн бұрын
No one is more sure of himself than Preston
@johnnyskinwalker4095
11 күн бұрын
Like a true Lib.
@marken816
11 күн бұрын
@@johnnyskinwalker4095Is he a lib?
@johnnyskinwalker4095
11 күн бұрын
@@marken816 VERY lol
@marken816
11 күн бұрын
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Shouldn't be a surprise. Such a fervent interest in copying someone else's lifework instead of doing his own lol
@johnnyskinwalker4095
11 күн бұрын
@@marken816 👍
@Thor12233
11 күн бұрын
Poor george. For once he has a finished story and hbo still fucked it up. Hope he realised that GOT was not his fault and finishes those damn books.
@samf.s.7731
11 күн бұрын
Real office jobs? Really Preston, you want to go there? You? A guy who's ranting about GRRM's blog post, you are calling others people with no real office jobs?
@bobhill6561
11 күн бұрын
Preston Jacobs works as an auditor
@Mako2401
11 күн бұрын
@@bobhill6561For a charity organization called the CIA. Allegedly.
@G5rry
10 күн бұрын
KZitem is not Preston's job. He has a real day job in an office -- REALLY.
@bridgetofold5645
11 күн бұрын
Preston you are not a fan of GRRM but rather a doctoral student of his works. Kinda a Ryan Condal. Its a warning ⚠️ and I am listening. I gave GOT the benefit of the doubt and it gutted me so much that I am still angry after five years. Im not going through that again. George had every right to say what he said. He didn't say anything about GOT and the fanbase still hasnt recovered. I know your channel was elevated for recognizing the disater that was 7 and 8 of GOT but seriously! He may be a grumpy old man but he is not dead yet and its his work. You may study it, analyze it, try and write it but in the end its his work. Its not a scandal, its someone who sees the same thing happening and is trying to warn us. He is Cassandra. P.S. Dont agree but will still like your videos .😂
@aryaastrayzoomer2003
10 күн бұрын
exactly. thank you
@Krisliet
11 күн бұрын
Bravo on them for staying behind their writers and against the man that made this whole thing possible.
@bananaforscale1283
11 күн бұрын
They can't fix it now so it's better to do damage control.
@unc54
11 күн бұрын
He never finished the main story so even as much as D&D screwed it up, GRRM knew he had a big hand in GoT falling apart. So that very likely stayed his hand. Also he probably learned from that experience that you should probably call out things while you still have the chance.
@bendricdayne2850
11 күн бұрын
I mean they started cutting out entire plots as early as season 5 when they all thought GRRM was still going to deliver TWOW before the show caught up with the books. They cut out a bunch of stuff from books 4 and 5 that’s definitely worse than cutting out Maelor. It’s weird that GRRM is seemingly very upset with Maelor being cut, but never really said anything about Euron or the sand snakes or any of the terrible changes made to GOT from season 5 onwards. I get why he wouldn’t complain back when the show was airing (you know, to avoid a scandal like the one he created now) but since the show ended many actors have spoken up about their disappointments now that their NDAs have expired. So idk its weird that after so long he hasn’t said anything close to this about GOT (even after all this time where the consensus is basically that the ending sucked so anything he says won’t really be controversial) and then he has this weird bone to pick with Maelor the Missing? I get he’s worried about upcoming changes, but then going on and on about Maelor makes this kinda confusing. My guess is he’s trying to prevent more changes and he thinks this blog post was a good way to do that??
@incognito9292
11 күн бұрын
I'm not watching season 3 because of grrm's comments... I'm not watching season 3 because of the bad writing, inconsistent character motivations and plot holes we had in episode 7 and 8
@SupremeUchiha
11 күн бұрын
Love the channel but you’re glazing HBO here… GRRM made so many great points that you ignored…
@OfficialRedTeamReview
11 күн бұрын
You really can't sit there and say that I "glaze" HBO when I have videos upon videos of me bashing them for their bad decisions.
@kpro8908
11 күн бұрын
Name three “Great” points George made in his post.
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
Starting to think Carmine is afraid of getting cancelled by HBO copyright strikes and all. Preston im not really sure about though. I saw heavy spoilers take on this and he pretty much confirmed HBO got some of the bigger tubers on a tight leash, including him.
@m.q.7149
11 күн бұрын
I would argue that the criticism of Maelor not being included is not minor. The main point of his blog post is to explain that Maelor's death has ripple effects in the story that now have to be handled quite differently. The main one being Heleana's suicide. You could throw the Sack of Bitterbridge in there as well. A lot of what Preston mentions @6:50 doesn't have a large effect on the story.
@alphasword5541
11 күн бұрын
I can consider it minor simply because its something that's primarily an inciting incident. You can make the suicide and Bitterbridge have other causes, theoretically.
@bendricdayne2850
11 күн бұрын
The thing is this version of Haelena wouldn’t be triggered by Maelor’s death, especially because as a dreamer she probably would see it beforehand. I mean we saw how little the death of Jaeherys affected her. So GRRM’s complaint should really be about the changes to Haelena’s character; except he praised the changes made to her character in a previous blog post.
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
@@bendricdayne2850this would be a great argument had George not confirmed they are going to faithfully showcase Healena suicide which will now look like she's committing it to "play her role in the story" rather than grief and devastation. Healena character changes was interesting until they made her Deadpool without the humour and emotions.
@nostalgicbliss5547
11 күн бұрын
@@DoubleO88 Helaena is going to commit suicide in order to motivate Daemon to avenge her against Aemond. In actuality, her kids are Daemons. He used the secret passage way to sneak into her chambers to impregnate her when Aegon was drunk and did the little he could before he passed out (Cersei's words). Helaena was being satisfied by the rogue prince for years and it was said that she had a talent for fellatio.
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
@@nostalgicbliss5547 sounds better than what Condal and Hess the mess probably got planned.
@batman5224
11 күн бұрын
As an author myself, I can tell you that most authors don’t have any control over film or television adaptations. Being a highly successful author, I’m sure George has more control than average, but even he is limited. J.K. Rowling is the only author I know of who had almost complete creative control over a film series based on their books. Most authors barely get paid. I don’t know how it works in television, but in film, an author is paid when their book is optioned. If they decide to make the film, they will be paid again. These are usually flat fees. Most of the time, authors don’t even get royalties from adaptations. They usually just hope more people start reading their books.
@moviecast13
11 күн бұрын
its like bro read the blog post but it went completely over his head. grrm literally had to spell it out for you and you still missed the point
@1992zorro
11 күн бұрын
That guy seems high on his BS
@kpro8908
11 күн бұрын
George didn’t spell out anything worthwhile. Maelor was a non-essential character and the show is almost certainly better off for having cut him. The Blood and cheese scene was bad because of how it was shot, not because they removed one of the corniest “Sophie’s Choice” parodies put to print. George needs to learn to pick his battles better.
@kallemort
11 күн бұрын
@@kpro8908Seems like it went over your head too and George wasn't even being very subtle. Maelor is just an example emblematic of the whole show.
@SR-zv5ue
11 күн бұрын
@@kallemortthere are way better examples of butterfly effects that George could have commented on that actually had significant impact to the story. Maelor is a non issue. Helena’s is already crazy and is not particularly attached to her life and has become Bran 2.0 which is a much worse butterfly effect issue that he failed to comment on. Or the fact that Nettles was dropped which has a huge butterfly effect for how Rhanyra goes crazy in the end against bastards. That’s a much bigger butterfly effect than Maelor. George is weirdly focusing on the wrong things that went wrong. Preston isn’t being dumb by pointing this out.
@michaelhenry3234
11 күн бұрын
@@SR-zv5ue I think he focused so much on Maelor because Condal told him Maelor wouldn't be cut, and then he was. GRRM probably feels lied to, though I'm sure it wasn't intentional on Condal's part.
@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr
11 күн бұрын
10:50 [Tone: smugly superior] [Facial expression: mirthful smirk of self-satisfaction] "I understand that, like, uhh, umm. . . like, some people don't have, like, real office jobs? But you just. . . you don't do this shit. Like, you know."
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
I'd preffer a food analogy at this point
@TheLastSane1
11 күн бұрын
Its the truth though. George is just another employee to HBO. They own the rights to the adaptation, giving him any creative input is not required unless he got it in writing. And I doubt he did.
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
@@TheLastSane1he's technically an employee so they can put his name in the credits. Preston's analogy doesn't work since his relationship with the showrunners isn't really one you'd have with a coworker.
@kpro8908
11 күн бұрын
@@aabbccdd4710 Preston’s point is that ranting publicly about a colleague because you don’t like what they’re doing and hope to use public scorn to change their behavior is unprofessional. The “lots of people don’t have office jobs” line was to establish why some people might not understand that, not because it’s only literally applicable to people who work in an office.
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
I think GRRM was less vocal back then since: 1. He was probably a bit starstruck by all the celebrity he's gained which is fair enough, we'd all most likely act the same. 2. It was taken for granted that the show would diverge from the books. Optimists thought he might release them alongside the show, but it was known the show and books would have different endings / continuity. Can't really fault showrunners for making things up when you haven't written the source material for them. 3. He probably didn't want to come off as ungrateful. Nowadays his work basically carries HBO, but back then it provided a huge boost to the popularity of his books. I'm not sure people would want to read the histories after HotD since it's basically a clipnotes version - the fanfic Condall stuff. Now that dynamic has basically changed around, he can be more assertive, and good on him. You've brought up the witcher netflix show as an example of a bad adaptation. Guess what? The author basically just let them do whatever they wanted with the IP after his check cleared. George's approach is more respectable than Sapkowski's in my opinion.
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
Also, didn't really know where to fit this, but it took quite a bit for the GoT show to diverge from the books to any serious capacity. The show could've been salvaged as book accurate untill quite a way through. HotD had new inclusions and omissions from the start, and as he said, removing these butterflies means they can't follow the plot well later on. He's clearly in more know than anyone here, so he's probably airing out his grievances ahead of time to some degree. After seeing where an adaptation with a hands-off author can end up, we need more GRRM's and fewer Sapkowskis.
@aabbccdd4710
11 күн бұрын
Altough that might be a bit of a monkey's paw since Sapkowski announced a Witcher book that's going to come out in a timely manner, so what I'm saying is that they can learn from one another's mistakes.
@wolfs1bane
11 күн бұрын
These dudes are so visibly disappointed that GRRM didn’t shit on the show the way they wanted him too
@elbis1964
11 күн бұрын
He said he's going to release more blog posts about the mistakes made by the writers. He probably won't, i mean he deleted the blog post after all. But clearly he can't say what he wants, he's still limited.
@1992zorro
11 күн бұрын
Are these 2 just delusional or just plain simple?! everyone can see this was just the start of his rants posts but he wanted to start at the beginning. It amazes me these 2 really think GRRM only problem was Maelor.
@funnyV1890
11 күн бұрын
Preston knows more than George about ASOIAF just wait bro Preston is going to finish the books himself and everyone will see that time traveling George stole the story from him
@TheLastSane1
11 күн бұрын
Yeah he is likely just broke an NDA which means Georgie boy is about to get fucking sued into oblivion.
@funnyV1890
11 күн бұрын
@@TheLastSane1 bro HOTD is the last big show HBO has and they are losing tons of money. The last thing they need to do is sink this project and every spin-off by dragging George to court. Bet
@joshuaswart8211
11 күн бұрын
These are all points they acknowledged.
@TheLastSane1
11 күн бұрын
@@funnyV1890 Dude you do know they are already talking about selling again right? Selling off chunks is also on the table. So yeah it might be guess what, its not even a consideration to the higher ups who are looking for big money buyers.
@mariamilano5756
11 күн бұрын
Why are you defending HBO and the horrible writing? This season was terrible and I’m glad GRRM criticized HBO and the writers. Maybe he’s trying to avoid another Season 8 of GoT.
@omarabousheer2745
11 күн бұрын
Little bro has the most shallow understanding or didn't watch the whole video. They clearly said they find it weird that George chose to criticize THIS part of the season which was largely seen as good and not some of the more problematic parts like rhaenyra in the second half of the season.
@jakub_paints6775
11 күн бұрын
If confidently wrong was a person, it would be Preston.
@thespianreveur2
11 күн бұрын
"..hill to die on" ?? Very clearly his entire point was missed here 🤔
@shenFen-jf2jk
11 күн бұрын
When Carmine is the smartest guy in the converstation
@prashantchauhan8716
11 күн бұрын
Who would’ve thought
@johansmallberries9874
11 күн бұрын
I don’t think George expected this post to blow up like it did. I think he definitely wanted to gripe, but he’s too used to his blog being exclusively read his inside fans. I doubt he wanted HBO/Warner legal up his ass.
@decariusb71
11 күн бұрын
There would be no Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon without GRRM’s books. Just like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Hunger Games.
@UncleRuckus2134
11 күн бұрын
George is based, but he lied cause he didn’t talk about everything wrong with HotD season 2 for now.
@Thor12233
11 күн бұрын
I think he was planning to but hbo went mad. So matrix silenced him
@UncleRuckus2134
11 күн бұрын
@@Thor12233Yep sadly, hopefully he says fuck it and hurls more criticism.
@UncleRuckus2134
11 күн бұрын
@@Thor12233Also maybe George is Wyman Manderly and the mummers farce is almost done.
@Nina-uy1eo
11 күн бұрын
How much did Preston got paid to defend Ryan and Sara??? How full of himself is he to think he knows more than the man who wrote this whole universe????
@DaBroSquad
11 күн бұрын
Lets see if Preston can somehow make this about Trump
@JimminyB
11 күн бұрын
let's see how many non-American weebs are obsessed with US politics
@bananaforscale1283
11 күн бұрын
Maelor is more important than other changes from the book. George understands causality of plot points and now it's not just making a mistake or a creative choice but poisoning the future seasons.
@seto_kaiba_
11 күн бұрын
Probably cause he learned his lesson about keeping quiet and trusting the writers from D&D.
@18pablo88
11 күн бұрын
Preston always criticised grrm at any given opportunity, yet makes money because of grrm work.
@thecriticalmaester9702
11 күн бұрын
_"He doesn't write about Laenor being alive, he doesn't write about Rhaenys bursting through the floor, he doesn't write about..."_ I think the man was trying to keep it professional before, but how much longer can you keep it professional when people are messing up your project??? And Preston says that it's about _"character motivations and themes"_ - Ryan and Sara didn't even stick to that!!! They literally butchered the motivations of ALL the characters. The characters are not the same as their book counterparts in any way. Only by names. And wtf is the theme of the story now??? It was supposed to be about a family destroying itself, but somewhere along the way, it became about a secret lesbian couple who is striving for peace in times of war??? Alicent and Rhaenyra don't even care about their families. Rhaenyra forgot that her son died/was killed by Aemond, and Alicent doesn't care if her sons are killed by Rhaenyra. These are literally their motivations in the book. The show is a mess. Ryan Condom has no idea what he is doing. 🤦🏾♂ George RR Martin was too nice, in my opinion. 🙄😤
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
It's like Preston and Carmine are mad George didn't go hard enough but are also mad George spoke up at all? Makes no sense
@samf.s.7731
11 күн бұрын
He's addressing a gripe that fans have with epsiodes 1&2. Because people didn't like B&C in particular. Maelor being missing from that scene beckons the question, will he be missing forever? If so, that's going to affect other characters plots. It's a thematic concern, when you change one thing you will have to rewrite everything it was part of to hit the same story beats
@22s22a
11 күн бұрын
Your abit off the mark here Preston, i enjoy your thoughts but i disagree with these.
@melowhaze7973
11 күн бұрын
It’s probably because of Dave and Dan he is doing this. After the fiasco with the final seasons of GOT, he most likely felt he didn’t do enough back then. And now he really wants to use his leverage to influence the team TOO STOP MAKING THEIR OWN SHIT WITH HIS SHIT. Makes perfect sense lol…
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
I don't know why they sucking up to HBO like this just because George didn't criticise tge exact things they thought was bad
@khaleesiclues8281
11 күн бұрын
All in favor for the release of a new sample chapter….🙋🏼♀️
@joeschmo4646
10 күн бұрын
Fuck professionalism. He should make more blog posts blasting HBO.
@harukasuzuhara8491
11 күн бұрын
He should invite them to a last minute wedding. Just to talk
@RedMeleys
11 күн бұрын
the TEA is that GRRM didn’t and likely isn’t going to finish the books, unfortunately being a stain on his legacy when he passes. GRRM going after dumb and dumber would also require him dissing himself for not being able to provide the source material over the course of a decade for them to adapt. Hess & Condal are easier targets because they have a FINISHED source material that they can adapt from and yet they still squandered it. what I do find interesting is that B&C and the missing child is the LEAST of my concerns this season so I’m kinda pressed this is the only thing he mentioned
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
Ya'll ever thought that maybe George had other issues but just wanted to point out one as an example? One that he knew many book fans also had a problem with when the episode dropped? The main point of his blog post was the butterfly effect and how there's going to be more toxic changes in season 3 and 4, he just used Maelor as an example and we probably would've seen more had HBO not shut that shit down.
@fabvz5436
11 күн бұрын
During this season George made a post critizing adaptations in overall and one talking about how dragons behave in his lore, which very clearly relate with the ridiculous Baela plot of the season. He is very clearly angry about half of the criative choices and don't want to outright say it was shit
@SunnyRosalia
11 күн бұрын
People get to a 100k subscribers on KZitem and start thinking they're a huge corporation so they feel the need to defend HBO 😂🤦🏾 It's all based on his work! He can criticize however, whenever, even if he did sign over creative rights, he can make a little blog post on derivatives of his work. Y'all owe y'all whole KZitem get down to his work, why are you mocking him in any kind of way? And being ageist about it too! Like y'all aint have grandparents that love you, snarkyness and all? A little less jokes on BIG G.R.R. Martin aight? Both of yall channels is all his work, be grateful and pay hommage🫵🏾🤬
@AmethystEyes
11 күн бұрын
A really good rule for social media that I was told is “if you have second thoughts or an hesitancy on whether to post something… don’t do it!”
@Waliant8349
11 күн бұрын
This is how it starts. I remember when GOT started to go downhill…
@cbob213
11 күн бұрын
Vary’s death in season 8 makes me think Danny will kill him because he supports Aegon. Because they clearly merged Jon and Aegons plots and scrapped Aegon.
@MourningCoffeeMusic
11 күн бұрын
George needs to kinda forget about all these shows and just focus on writing. Let these shows be what they are, for better or for worse, and let’s finish that legacy strong !!
@DoubleO88
11 күн бұрын
I agree with this, still holding out hope he is secretly writing Dream of Spring and Winds at the same time to shock the world with a double release but i probably have more chance of winning the lottery than that being true huh.
@andrescalderonsanchez6515
11 күн бұрын
Okay one of the major themes of asoiaf is war is brutal then I kind of get why he hates all the scenes and characters being cut
@auneakeffect
11 күн бұрын
preston looks exactly like what youd imagine a far left wokester would look lile
@TheLastSane1
11 күн бұрын
Anyone who uses Woke unironically is 100% guaranteed to be a child molester or at least an apologize for them.
@johnnyskinwalker4095
11 күн бұрын
it's so weird how when we don't see him and only hear his voice, he comes off as this humble golly gosh nerd guy and we when see him he comes off as this arrogant Liberal lol
@keystorm8598
10 күн бұрын
We have to realizes HBO is gonna do to HoTD. To what Disney did to star wars. Disney to MCU. I won't be invested anymore. Probably check on it every once in awhile. But that's it.
@RicardoMango
11 күн бұрын
I think that he just became more mature and saw a lot of examples after the end of the GoT show. As The Witcher, Wheel of Time, and Rings of Power. And MAYBE he even saw the example of Netflix's One Piece, where's the author, Eiichiro Oda, had strong control over the series made something almost impossible to adapt, and even ask for major re-shots. And was very very good, and even with a lot of changes, a faithful show. That's my theory. One Piece released one year after HotD S1. And since them, he should saw that he's losing control of his work (as everyone can see in the adaptations on Season 2) as he did with GoT, and he's changing his attitute because he don't wanna see other ship sink. What you guys think?
@bendricdayne2850
11 күн бұрын
I think he intentionally participated in a limited role for HOTD since he is supposed to be writing TWOW. So he’s maybe not as involved as One Piece’s author was for his adaptation. So he isn’t really in a position where he has a lot of control of the show and only gives suggestions to the writers. If he gives up on writing TWOW then he could focus on the show, but he can’t do both. Honestly, I prefer TWOW. It’s not like the show is bad by any means. Still better than most of the stuff out there. Would it be better with GRRM making more of the decisions?? Probably, but not so much more better to make me not want TWOW.
@johnnyskinwalker4095
11 күн бұрын
As I understand, every scripts of Season 1 were revised by Martin, who was in communication with Condal constantly. Maybe he wasn't for Season 2 and they simply screwed up.
@lordcumulon
11 күн бұрын
George made a typo and accidentally deleted the whole post thats my theory
@clownpendotfart
11 күн бұрын
He did make a typo. Instead of "dead" he wrote "head".
@SaltyNico920
7 күн бұрын
Maelor being present in the story leads to Helaenas suicide. Which leads to the small folk rioting and hating Rhaenyra and then ultimately leading to her downfall. So he has a very valid point.
@Nistel88
11 күн бұрын
I don't think that GRRM only had those two little complaints. I think he uses the couple examples he listed to make a bigger point (which would apply to all the other changes HBO/Ryan made) ... that if even something as small as Maelor not being cast can have a huge impact later on (via butterfly effect) then imagine how bad the butterfly effect will be for the other things they changed & characters they left out! *LIKE NETTLES*
@doktorcool3740
11 күн бұрын
You guys are honestly thinking that GRRM is actually working on TWOW, so that he can "put it on the backburner"? I've given up all hope about TWOW. Maybe some TV show for Dunk&Egg will be forthcoming with his support. And if that doesn't materialize, he'll find another side project. Or maybe he'll just enjoy his last years bathing in his fame and wealth. My guess is he really tried to finish TWOW some months or years ago but just couldn't get it to work, so he went for the fun stuff instead.
@FairladyZ2005
11 күн бұрын
Haven't been watching HOTD. Targs aren't my favorite thing from ASOIAF, but Dunk is my favorite character GRRM created and I'm starting to wonder if fans should be worried about A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms going off the rails too before it even begins.
@johnnyskinwalker4095
11 күн бұрын
maybe they'll introduce this girl to tag along and she'll be the Best Ever(!!!!)
@PhilHug1
11 күн бұрын
I think this is a way of trying to force the writers to course correct
@billjoe8734
11 күн бұрын
He didn’t go after D&D because there was the obvious defense that they had to make shit up. With Condal, he had a complete story that they deliberately went against.
@LukasHornoch
11 күн бұрын
I dunno, Preston's take on this is so strange. My feeling is it is to generate little "controversy" to get the views
@Holthis
11 күн бұрын
Do y’all not think hbo made George take it down for spoiling season 3 plans? That’s gotta be a contractual thing as a exec producer no?
@King_Mac80
9 күн бұрын
There's a good chance his blog post will cause some hardcore fans to not watch the show, but most casuals won't even hear about this.
@Dermetsu
9 күн бұрын
Siding with the awful writers over the author of the books both you and HBO rely on for relevance, when they're once again ruining his legacy, is quite the stance to take as a channel. This is where me and my channel subscription part ways.
@kevinmendoza3865
11 күн бұрын
I think George is pissed they cut his big reveal. He wants a real crazy queen not the botched job they did in season 8.
@thisisdevin111
11 күн бұрын
Grrm will do anything else except finish Winds
@tr3cepuffs481
11 күн бұрын
The best way for GRRM to get HBO back is to finish the books
@pepe2493
10 күн бұрын
Studios need to stop being allergic to disagreeableness, they're going to get criticism one way or another. They can choose whether they want respectful, intelligent criticism from the fans (and in this case the author) or the shit star wars and marvel is getting, it's their call
@TH3DUDE0075
7 күн бұрын
I wish he would just wash his hands of HBO and focus only on his legacy - windows of winter and dream of spring
@reaver1414
10 күн бұрын
I'm glad George is fighting back. I'm sick of these adapters destroying IPs. I wish Tolkien was alive to roast rings of power.
@albertoquezada2862
9 күн бұрын
My problems: 1.- A son for a son with Alicent: What the hell was the dead of Prince Jaehaerys, point then !!! She sold her son the KING That she put on the Iron Throne. 2.- Also no interaction of Aegon THE KING and Rhaenyra. 3.- Helaena does not RIde a Dragon because she has no taste of it fuck, OFF she loves riding Dreamfyre !!! 4.- Also something unrealistic Rhaenyra never interacted with her siblings really really no one scene not one, talk about development. 5.- Minor picking Rhaenyra never mentions Aegon as her brother or Aemond as her brother never it "Alicent SON's" really really. Same thing happen to Aegon. 6.- We could have had some Aemond and Rhaenyra or Aegon and Rhaenyra scenes but no only Alicent and Rhaenyra. We needed more sibling interactions. This is a damn fetish fanfic. 7.- A season of 8 episodes and not 10 episodes we need more scenes. Shorter seasons sucks. 10 episode are neve enough and now 8 only damn talk about a bad planning. 8.- Alicent is a mess this season she need to be brutal brutal and she love her sons and not this complete mess !!!! 9.- Rhaenyra needs to be more like a tyrant and aggressive. She is a too goody shoes. 10.- Also, Where's Nettles !? And fuck politeness he needs to be brutal to not repeat a Game Of Thrones 2.0 mess. House Of the Dragon Season 1 = 10 House of The Dragon Season 2 = 8 maybe 7.5 (The last episode was horrible)
@HoofHearted88
11 күн бұрын
Without Maelor, Aemond is Aegons heir. With Maelor, Aemond is a usurper provided they're on the side that says female heirs can't inherit. Leaving Maelor out for that reason alone is stupid. I very much disagree with Preston on George's criticism. George was lied to when it comes to the treatment of his work. I also don't believe the excuse Maelor was not included because it would cost too much. That sounds like horseshit to me.
@Deaiden
11 күн бұрын
Isn't George the executive producer of the show? He could fire anybody he wanted to, no?
@Tenpouin
11 күн бұрын
If I were HBO, I'd be just petty like commenting "this blog post could've been a new page in Winds of Winter"
@Bmega81
11 күн бұрын
George really didnt have much of a leg to stand on with game of thrones having he himself say fuck the ending of this story it doesnt matter to him anymore. Lol
@Lewisdallimore1
8 күн бұрын
No one except me thinking Toxic Butterfly comment is teasing Naath for season 3 ;)
@D34671
11 күн бұрын
me: was grateful for the spoiler warning in yesterdays vid and managed to skip to the timestamp 😄 also me: reads what was on screen and gets immediately spoilt....🙃
@alexsnewhandle
11 күн бұрын
Damn this stuff really got the fanbase all riled up and toxic. I'm guessing a part of it is people who can't complain about their boss or how their company is run finding some wish fulfillment in George's behavior
@Bmega81
11 күн бұрын
Kinda odd to hear preston not understand george complaining about the show when his whole thing is based off nitpicking and complaining about the shows based on georges work and george work in general. Lol i dont think ive watched one of these videos that didnt have preston complaining or nitpicking for majority of the video. Lol
@bettyc1841
10 күн бұрын
I think you're missing something though...Just because he didn't write about other issues he had with the series doesn't mean that he didn't have them. It was the start of raising concerns with the show. Whether this affects the writing of season 3, who knows. He probably doesn't want another series based on his work to go up in flames again. If this also ends up badly, how can other upcoming series be successful, how can HBO expect people to care?
@stephaniec9539
11 күн бұрын
I understand why they changed blood and cheese.. Maelor doesn't do anything besides add to Haeleanas guilt and madness.. so get why they dropped him
@maxmercer1931
11 күн бұрын
The more strife between GRRM and HBO the better. GRRM needs to get back to finishing ASOIAF . Potentially, all the antipathy currently directed at GRRM can be transferred to HBO
@FireofGia111
5 күн бұрын
Yalls hilarious commentary has made this all worth it tbh
@allclevernamesgone
11 күн бұрын
In my personal/business life, I have stolen Lincoln's idea of writing a scathing letter and sitting on it for a day and then throwing it away and going with the diplomatic response. (well, the vast majority of the time at least) This has served me well. It makes no sense for GRRM to say anything even remotely approaching criticism to a company that is directly responsible for making him a multi millionaire. Whoops! At the end of the day --- he is still rich and this will probably blow over after the right asses are kissed.
@SorceressWitch
11 күн бұрын
He writes everything except for The Winds of Winter.
@made-line7627
11 күн бұрын
Best make room in Kings Landing for Maelor's Hill...
@gingercatqueen4368
11 күн бұрын
Yall think he didn’t air these grievances with the writers first? 😂 🤣 can I have whatever yall are smoking? This is a last resort and I support it.
@griffiththechad9483
11 күн бұрын
I kinda feel bad for Ryan because I feel like he’s being tossed to the wolves after a large amount of the fan base (probably non book readers) were defending most of his changes up until George stepped up and said something. Ever after episode 8 dropped some of the biggest ASOIAF content creators and their fans were barely criticizing the writing changes, so anyone who did have gripes were accused of isms and phobias up until now.
@OfficialRedTeamReview
11 күн бұрын
I wouldn't be so hasty on feeling bad for Ryan. I think I might've figured out what happened and it's all thanks to new info coming out from an unlikely source.
@griffiththechad9483
11 күн бұрын
@@OfficialRedTeamReviewyes I agree. At the end of the day he’s the lead and he chose to go thru with the changes. If he also lied to George about what was going to be written like how it’s implied then that’s just another reason to not feel bad for Ryan.
@poppag8281
11 күн бұрын
@@OfficialRedTeamReview now you have my attention
@UncleRuckus2134
11 күн бұрын
Nah he deserves it man George wrote Fire and Blood so they would have the full story for HotD I think, now Condal is making these changes that are worse than the books. Sarah Hess is worse though she is massively anti-Daemon and probably responsible for some of the negative things he did that they made up. Also the excuse of not having enough budget for Maelor is ridiculous I mean look at that scene with Baela chasing Cole I bet that cost quite a bit and it was pretty pointless really, or Rhaenys’ terror attack in season 1, Condal is turncloak.
@unc54
11 күн бұрын
I don't feel bad for Ryan. In his podcast appearance, he doubled down on this being the story of Rhaenyra and Alicent so he's clearly not capable of adapting to critique. But he'll find out the hard way when they cancel the show after S3 if he doesn't change his path.
@CrimeaRiver58
11 күн бұрын
dunno if I buy that considering that episode 5 was written by Ti Mikkel and absolutely sucked ass. There seems to be some form of mass hysteria going on in that writer's team that destroys braincells of everyone left and right.
@robstewartstewart98
11 күн бұрын
Is it me, or does Preston’s theory kinda sound like it very well might be the answer? I know he joked he didn’t think things were that exciting….but I honestly buy it
@Vortexnicholas
11 күн бұрын
Grrm’s complaints are relatively minor. He needed to talk about the unnecessary daemon visions , alicents terrible character arcs , Rhenarya is not a character to route for , valyrons characters underused and Westeros feeling small , etc
@IOSARBX
11 күн бұрын
RedTeamReview, cool content bro
@namelesswhocares8648
10 күн бұрын
The truth The shown went downhill went they got rid of lady stoneheart Beric dondarrion was an epic character but then again I want to see the upcoming meeting between Jaime, Brienne and lady stoneheart
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