Boy…what a labor of love for the community! Thanks so much for your research and comments! Chas
@paweciszewski2747
3 жыл бұрын
A very good comparison of these two systems. Thank you for another great video.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Thank Pawel, you're welcome
@duanebeyer950
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great review. My simulator project has been on hold for the past year do to my work schedule and COVID. Hoping with the vaccine I will be able to get back to a normal schedule and get back to working on my sim. Your videos are keeping me up to date and getting me excited to get back to working on my sim.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Duane, I do hope you can get back to it soon and by then I hope you have a lot more knowledge to finish it even faster
@funofflying15
3 жыл бұрын
A very interesting comparison, many thanks for sharing! I really agree with you on one of your summary comments, in that with HCSCI, you simply don't have to write any code. This is one of the major advantages for this particular system and makes life much easier for the user. Kind regards from the UK :-)
@VicsTrademarc
3 жыл бұрын
I made the leap from MSFS 2020 three months ago because I had viewed your videos. I did my own research as you have but not even close to that deep. This video makes me really happy I took such a leap of faith and bought X-Plane and have been building using the information in your videos. Thanks
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, sorry Victor this comment got lost in the shuffle. Im very glad to hear you are building your setup. I bought MSFS as soon as it was available for pre-order but I still prefer XPlane. The few times I have flown MSFS I really miss XPlane and then I don't try MSFS again for months.
@carlosl1895
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I’m new to sim building so you help me a lot
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad I could help Carlos
@peterkellogg2788
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison! Please note that with MobiFlight you need to run their tool to connect the Arduinos to the Sim, it is not just to make the configuration. With XPWideClient the software can run on a different PC and therefore you would not have a conflict with the HCSCI Arduino. X-Plane Specific: You have to create your own Offsets which point to datarefs in X-Plane. Which means you also have to figure out the data types and such. And there is no community project to create a common list. Imho that is such a pain in the arse that, at least for me, HCSCI is so much better even with current limitations. Thank you for the video!
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, good point Peter. In a way it's like running the HCSCI plugin inside the simulator but this one is "outside" Although technically each Arduino board has a different address, I do worry there might be some conflict because I've seen that mentioned in the HCSCI forums when people are having connection problems. I see them telling them "make sure there are no other Arduino boards connected to the computer." The simplicity of this system is definitely one of it's major strong points.
@DaveWrightKB9MNM
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your research and the time you took to do this. I agree that Mobi is more difficult to use, but I have seen a gentleman build a full size 737 cockpit using nothing but MobiFlight(helimech is his username). Also, I saw another set of Hicksee videos from "Paul's Flight Deck" that just seemed to stop, so I'm wondering if he was strong armed to discontinue making those. He was very detailed, like your videos, and it just makes me think whatever happened. Anyway, thanks again for all the hard work and information!
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, oh I have no doubt it is a perfectly capable solution to building a home cockpit. Maybe if I would've started with MobiFlight first I would also be crazy about it. I have seen some videos from Paul's flight deck, I don't know if that's why he stopped, it would be interesting to ask him and hope he would respond. I do think I'm going to get a nastygram about calling it Hicksee though lol. What the really hate is people making tutorials about how to use their website and software because "it can change." They don't mind video showing how to build hardware.
@christopher2145
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget he is also using prosim737 ;)
@uranusgodoy8694
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you man. Very nice video. I enjoyed ! Hope they soon hear to us and allow dataref and command assignment for own cockpit builders !
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Oh me too Mhammed, I didn't realize so many of you guys also wanted this
@FlightSim2703
3 жыл бұрын
Yes reading the website is also very important, I tried to replac the old version with new HCSI without reading the page, I deleted all, and reinstalled from scratch, but my 7-SEGEMENT didn't work, So I visited the website by reading carefully, I noticed I should not deleted my old settings and data, So I did what website instructed, well.. all is working now 😁😀👍👍👍 I have still to say, your video helped me very much, to not getting lost whenever I visited the website. 👈🥰 awesome comparison.
@skinnyTheCat
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, for another great thorough video! I agree that its a bit risky making a lot of invetment in time and materials, if they decide to just shut down the business. This could be easily alleviated if the just had a stand alone configurator!
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
The good thing is that if you build something and get all the assignments configured it should keep working forever as long as you have a copy of the plugin, the database file, and your configuration file.
@skinnyTheCat
2 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid I am a beginner in all of this. But would love to be able to control some things with switches and knobs :) Just simple, to minimize the mouse! I tried Mobiflight for two days now, and cant get it to work with X-plane. So i will try SimVim now. And whats great with that is that you are on KZitem! :) Is there any beginner series that helps one getting started with some simple cirquits?
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
@@skinnyTheCat well thats what I try to demonstrate with my "Back to Basics" videos. You don't really need to know electronics unless you start doing some crazy stuff. All of this is pretty basic if you look at it one type of component at a time. kzitem.info/door/PL_39nliBxZCWlrPDCW440ShaqurNe1c_g
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
@nnyerges I'm not sure why your comment is not showing up here. I got the email notifying me of you comment so here it is: I talked about your concern on the video. In fact I mentioned it as a con to HCSCI (Now Real Sim Control) that if the website was down or no longer existed, you would not be able to change or add any more to your existing configuration, which of course would be terrible.
@jaybeckham
Жыл бұрын
First, I really enjoyed your video. It is the first one of yours I have seen. I am in the process of building a 737 cockpit and want to do as much as I can myself. I understand your concerns over MobiFlight vs. HCSCI and agree the HCSCI makes a lot of sense. However, I really like the scenery in MSFS2020. I do have X Plane 11 so was wondering what add ons that are available that will get it closer to MSFS2020. One of the things I am hoping for is good airport scenery and things like passengers loading and movement of luggage. Maybe you can suggest some addons that will bring X Plane up to the level scenery wise of MSFS2020. Lastly I remember back a while someone who builds or provides kits for HCSCI. He was in Poland or somewhere near.
@Qosmokid
Жыл бұрын
Hello Jay, thanks for your comment. You know, it's funny that even though MSFS looks soooo much better than X-Plane, I still have absolutely no desire to use it. Unfortunately, I don't use all the available add-ons for X-Plane to accomplish what you are asking, so I'm not sure if I can be of much help. I do have like 60 custom airports, I have all the ORBX areas that are available in the U.S. and I also use Forkboy Ortho in most of the rest of the country. I know there is "Ground Handling Deluxe" by JAR Design by I've never used it , It's only $15 maybe I should get it too 😄 store.x-plane.org/Ground-Handling-Deluxe_p_415.html I think you should search KZitem for "Best free or payware X-plane Add-ons." Q8 Pilot does a lot of those types of reviews. As far as buying kits for SimVimX/Real Sim Control, be careful with those because they keep changing the way the plugin works so it might just render some of that stuff obsolete if it changes they way things have to be connected. Although I haven't had too many issues throughout the 5 years I've Used it in my setup.
@Alex-Aviation
3 жыл бұрын
This is a long awaited very important video :)
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alex, just my humble opinion about it at least
@jankristensen7884
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information, it will be useful for my build
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
No problem Jan, hope it helps you choose the solution that will work best for your build
@jankristensen7884
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid is there a tutorial for connecting stepper motors(IAS indicator) as i understand i must use mux and a arduino micro/nano/uno
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
@@jankristensen7884 Yes you need to use a Arduino Uno or Nanos as the controller daughter board. I have not made a tutorial on that because I have never used steppers or servos. Maybe someday I will but no promises.
@jaybeckham
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking time to reply to me. I forgot that I have to check my gmail account to find replies.
@Qosmokid
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jay, you're welcome. Replies should also show up here but sometimes KZitem is weird
@dixielandfarm
3 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown, Jose. I think I know the dude you are talking about at 36:00. I assume it took me 50+ hours to program the Teensy, with lots of mistakes. Ironically, I think I could write a quick program with a teensy in line that does nothing but redirects an output/input to make custom commands work for SimVim (still looking into FlyWithLua for you, but it doesn't seem like it would work unless the Mega shows up as a controller in the xplane joystick/controller menu).
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Yup you guessed correctly lol. Wow I never knew it took you that long. I think you're right it probably wouldn't work because the Arduino has custom firmware on it and it does not show up as a controller. I do see a sign on hope on the HCSCI website though which I'm really hoping becomes a reality
@Bren39
3 жыл бұрын
I personally think the only way hicsi folks will reconsider opening up will be if they get effected financially. I suggest all patreon supporters to suspend their support until they open up their software more. It's not only the matter of custom parameters but also the fact it's online only. As Jose mentioned. One day they could go away or decide to charge subscription fees. Why support a closed product?
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no I hope it doesnt come to that. Despite my unhappiness with the custom situation, I'm still a loyal supporter. I do believe that if enough people mention it to them and relay the reasons why they will eventually make that needed option available. I really don't think they're in this for the money. They've been working on this for over ten years and o ly recently started their patreon. If they were in it for that tbeh would not make it available for free to everyone on the website.
@Bren39
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid I hope you're right. Many people start free for beta testing and then charge when there's a good user base.
@BerndSchmitt-Martinique
3 жыл бұрын
Here is your old friend and TEENSY-USER from Germany. I posted a very long comment one hour ago . I checked it even on my tablet - now it is gone. STRANGE !!!
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that Bernd. I've noticed that has been happening a lot lately. I checked in my KZitem Studio dashboard to see if it was under "Held for review" but there are no comments there at all
@BerndSchmitt-Martinique
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid Hey my friend - hope you are well. This morning at 6 o clock- still in bed - i found your video and there was just one comment from misha kulibin. As you know I am very interested in PANEL-building for MSFS2020 - so i wrote a long comment. I checked it out - it was there under misha kulibin - and minutes later it was gone. during the day i will rewrite my ideas again - this time with a copy. I wonder if KZitem has already politicized THE FLIGHTSIMMERS - are we already censored ??? I am still standing FOR FREE SPEECH - also in FLIGHTSIMMING. Have a good time. and please let me know your prename. I you want personal contact - here i am: bs.fortdefrance@gmail.com see you
@markva2000
3 жыл бұрын
Mobiflight is now version 9 and support analog input and doesn't need FSUIPC any longer (simconnect) in MSFS2020 !!!
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it keep getting better. If I used MSFS I might actually give it a try but I am staying on XPlane for my home cockpit for now. I only use MSFS like 1 hour every month or so
@ExperimentalSimAvionics
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video it’s an interesting debate. don’t think your input/output capabilities was a fair comparison. The presented numbers were based on a single board for Mobiflight yet you didn’t count the number of I/o lines you could get with 127 boards connected. You did max out the simvim numbers so iit should of been the same. I also am not sure about you cost estimates. Arduino Megastar can be had for less than $10 if you look so they are about the same price as you quoted for the 16 channel mux boards but yet they have way more available pins. I agree both have their pros and cons but this video is clearly biased towards Simvim. An AI Manager comparison would also be useful for some I think but the comparison has to be accurate. Interestingly Air Manager also focuses on using processor boards although mux boards can be added if you want to go down that route. I happen to believe it gives the most flexibility it not only supports the standard hardware one would use to make a cockpit but it also offers a way to interface to any hardware not natively supported. This opens up being able to use almost any hardware.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I did specifically say number of connections on one board because that's what I consider a major advantage of HCSCI. My cost estimates were based on an original Arduino from Arduino not on cheaper no name boards from China. I am aware and I mentioned you can find cheap ones though. All the original ones I have bought have been over $40. MUX boards can be as cheap as $1.35 per board in my searches but usually about 5 for less than $10. You are correct my view is biased towards HCSCI because that's what I've been using. I made it pretty clear I have not used MobiFlight and was basing this comparison only on info I was able to gather during my research not from usage experience. I have also not used or researched Air Manager, but to go back to the beginning that's why I think one of the best features of HCSCI is precisely that you only need One Arduino Mega. Although if you noticed, I also gave MobiFlight some Pros so I don't think it's all bad.
@ExperimentalSimAvionics
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid I think my point is the numbers you put up for Simvim are not for one board. Every one of those multiplexers is a board. It’s just the other platforms choose to use different boards. The down side to using multiplexers is it complicates the wiring and for hardware that is time critical it’s not great having to go through a mux. I understand you are invested in the Simvim platform from the basis of many of your excellent videos so I’m not being critical but just offering some balance and a different opinion. At the end of the day users have to find what suits them best. All platforms have something the others don’t. Without support for custom commands and datarefs I believe Simvim will lose users when they realise as you have that their new favourite aircraft can’t be controlled. Both Mobi and Air Manager work with custom add ons and all the sims including FS2020. For some this is a deal breaker.
@jetraid
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget you need to know a little more electronics to use Simvim, isn't to easy to understand mux connections if you don't have any electronic acknowledge. On mobiflight just connect the switch or led to the pin. Other pro for mobiflight is the comunity behind it. A lot of discord groups and forums to get help, even the Sebastian and some others developers are helping continously.
@ExperimentalSimAvionics
3 жыл бұрын
@@homecockpitinterfacesoftwa4883 I’m just repeating what your users are reporting. I was agreeing that if what they complain about is true then that is not at all flexible. I’m not a simvim user and I don’t have any desire to be because I’m happy with my current solution. If what you are saying is true then perhaps you can point the users here to the instructions for using custom commands and/or datarefs of their choosing. The zibo is just one aircraft. When I say custom it could be any newly created dataref or command even ones they may have created themselves. For that you need the ability to type in the dataref name and type of your choosing and not be limited to just selecting functionality from a list. The point being is the list can never keep up. People stop using Simvim because of this. I think you should consider a way to make simvim work also for more advanced users who want to do more. What happens is they may start with simvim and then move onto something else when they out grow it’s capabilities. If I’ve got the wrong impression of simvim from this and other KZitem videos then I’d be glad to put the record straight. After all there is always another side to every story.
@ExperimentalSimAvionics
3 жыл бұрын
@@homecockpitinterfacesoftwa4883 I never said I haven’t tried. I said I’m not a user. Did you actually watch this video and others where users are complaining about a lack of custom command and dataref support in simvim. If it will do all those things then why are your users saying it cannot do what they want. I’m not mis leading anyone I’m just commenting on this video and the general situation and feeling by agreeing it’s not good if it does not work.
@noname54
2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried both? I like the idea of using Arduino pro minis for each panel so if you have to service them its only a usb to remove and depending on the panel a power cord.
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
No I've only used SimVim.
@hornos27hotmailcom
3 жыл бұрын
Cordial saludo Qosmokid, el pluging HCSCI soporta tambien 74HC595 para driver de display 7 segmentos y LEDs. al momento de escribir esta nota funciona correctamente.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Hola Milton, Si estoy enterado de eso y se me olvido mencionarlo. You nunca los he usado
@hornos27hotmailcom
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid kzitem.info/news/bejne/0Kh52YicgXOnqmk Debo tener mas videos del HC595, los he usado con LEDs en casacada, creo que esta funcion de cascada ya no esta disponible. Pero si continuan los display 7 segmantos funcionando.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
@@hornos27hotmailcom A mi se me hace mas facil solo usar los displays que ya estan hechos lol. Y para LED solo he usado el DM13A pero me gusto mucho. Los HC595 se me hacen mucha lata lol
@tzampini
2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! FYI, The first software I tried for my 737 MCP panel build was mobiflight. I had limited success. Some things worked, some things didn’t. Then I tried Simvim, and everything just worked! It really was amazing. I was sold instantly. I do have a question though. Where can I find the physical buttons and switches for the MCP panel that look authentic to the actual aircraft? Yes, there are tons of push buttons available, but I have yet to find a square button with a green led in it. Any sources you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks!
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Tzampini, I totally agree nothing simpler than SimVimX & Real Sim Control. I think most people buy them very expensively and some people 3D print them. I find that the KD2-22 korry type switches look good enough for that purpose. I ordered some from Ali Express but it did a while to get them. www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003686608280.html
@tzampini
2 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid The KD2-22 looks very well suited for the switches on the MCP panel. Ali Express offers two types, latching and momentary. Do you remember which ones you purchased? Thanks again, Tony
@Qosmokid
2 жыл бұрын
@@tzampini Momentary, the latching one behave more like toggle switches to SimVimX
@tzampini
2 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid thank you
@rohrichoak9740
3 жыл бұрын
All in all, the only thing that genuinely sucks in HCSCI right now is its new name lol If they listen to ihrer other people much better than we are able to read, they will think about ways to improve that stepper motor and servo limitation. Flying without force feedback kills a ton of the purpose, even though it's a huge plus compared to mouse and keyboard only. I don't intend to leave XPlane either, it has great reviews from real pilots.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Im not sure what you mean about improving the servo and stepper situation. I think those would only be used for gauges or instruments not for force feedback. I remember seeing something about force feedback on the website confugurator a long time ago. Although for that I believe big AC motors would need to be used but thats another area I have not looked into either.
@jetraid
3 жыл бұрын
Did you manage to make a force feedback with simvim?
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
@@jetraid No I've never tried doing force feedback but i remember seeing entries for that a long time ago in the configurator
@rohrichoak9740
3 жыл бұрын
@@Qosmokid I thought of steppers because they are used in 3D printers and they have the ability to lock their movement electrically, but you might be right about using AC motors for that purpose.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
@@rohrichoak9740 If you are referring to shaking the yoke or the entire cockpit or having some kind of force on the yoke axis and rudder pedals then yes. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by force feedback
@mishakulibin
3 жыл бұрын
very good analysis!
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Misha
@carlosameno7956
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I live in Brazil. Is the real sim control compatible with P3D? If the answer is no, can you tell me if PMDG 737 is compatible with xplane or any similar aircraft?
@Qosmokid
9 ай бұрын
Hi Carlos, no Real Sim Control is only for Xplane and the PMDG 737 is not compatible. We on Xplane use the Zibo Mod 737-800 it's a much improved versión than the stock B738 that is included in XPlane.
@carlosameno7956
9 ай бұрын
@@Qosmokid Thank you very much! I use p3d and 737 PMDG, but my avionics are from Virtual Avionics, mcp and EFIS don't work due to simmconect, virtual avionics support doesn't work. I will have to migrate to xplane and try to redo MCP and EFIS. Your tutorial is very important to us.
@donaldmackay6749
3 жыл бұрын
Just stick with what you hav as you said. I only fly X-Plane so I really don’t care. Restricting data refs sucks as I am pretty certain you can indeed have an out of the box interface and still leave data refs exposed. The reason Laminar put them in there is for plane developers to use them. This just makes it easier for SimVim to package their product and reduce the development complexity for them which works are when creating say a gps on a model that follows Laminar’s interface. This rare as quite a few do use custom data refs. so if a third party model uses custom data refs outside the parameters of the standard interface you are, to put it politely, screwed.
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
LOL Donald you are completely right. I don't know how difficult it is for them to expose all available parameters in the configurator for editing. I imagine its as simple as changing the permissions or simply posting all of them in the custom converter page. If they already allow 70% of them to be changed, I figure it must be pretty easy to make the other 30% also. At leadt i hope its just a matter of them wanting to do it.
@TAZZZZMAN
3 жыл бұрын
can you use these programs with dcs ???
@Qosmokid
3 жыл бұрын
HCSCI is only for X-Plane, I couldn't find any information if MobiFlight works with DCS. I know it works with P3D, FSX, MSFS, and X-Plane though
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