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@teddyboragina6437
Жыл бұрын
good timing, I just finished binging some of your videos again yesterday! BTW, and maybe this sounds insane; but the US chemical board (USCSB) does 'disaster videos' about workplaces; if there's a similar UK counterpart organization, I wonder if they'd give you money to make videos for them!
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
I’d love that or even the raib (rail accident investigation branch)
@SpeedDemonStar
Жыл бұрын
Have you ever looked into the 1976 near meltdown at the Lubmin nuclear power plant nr. Greifswald, East Germany?
@detectorpunch
Жыл бұрын
hello, can you create a video please about nuclear accident wood river junction rhode island in usa i think?
@TheFlyingMantis
Жыл бұрын
you nip out to the glades often?
@mbvoelker8448
Жыл бұрын
It's really ridiculous for anyone to ever blame the architect when the building was built without *actually* following his plans.
@kristinavechinski7182
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I felt so bad
@vincentender1486
Жыл бұрын
There's always gotta be a scapegoat
@charlotteemerson5050
Жыл бұрын
Yep. That's like paying a doctor, lawyer, etc for their time and advice while continuing to do as you want while completely disregarding all you were told. And you can't understand it when everything falls apart.
@pjschmid2251
Жыл бұрын
@@vincentender1486 yes but the obvious scapegoat in this case would be the contractor that changed the design without even consulting the architect or an engineer.
@RCAvhstape
Жыл бұрын
That's how things work in DC. Blame the innocent and cover for your guilty friends.
@Niskirin
Жыл бұрын
The most cancerous part of this is that the architect was blamed for this when it was obvious that his designs were not actually implemented properly to save money. Absolute insanity and everybody involved in the wich hunt should have their names tarnished for all eternity ahead of us for this travesty.
@myopinion69420
Жыл бұрын
yeah, it seems crazy. the only thing I can think of is maybe they went back to him the with the changes and he just 'rubber stamped' them? then he should be partially responsible, but it sounded more like they just did not include him on it. changed the design, got the OK from the city and continued on. the fact the contractor was seemingly not even considered as responsible seems crazy. what probably happened was those beams bent under the weight and simply slipped off the tiny ledge (or possible broke them). if the ledge had have been the full 8" it probably would not have happened.
@odinfromcentr2
Жыл бұрын
@@myopinion69420EXACTLY. If any one person should have been made a scapegoat, that fuckin' contractor would have actually been a reasonable one seeing as that change he personally made all but guaranteed something would happen at some point.
@MERLK2
Жыл бұрын
not so cancerous, because afaik not only did the construction company basically cheap out on the girders ... the wall gave away under the strain. basically ... the whole design was aready having weakpoints, that were made worse by the constructor going, hey thats actually 8 inches when its only 2,5. And it wasnt recalculated by the architect when the girders were exchanged for cheaper stuff also there died a few politicians & media and business people among the death, so scapegoats were needed to slate the thirst of certain classes. One question remains though, why cant i find no infos on the building company?
@Gadzooki
Жыл бұрын
Good thing this doesn't happen anymore.....
@Kalvinjj
Жыл бұрын
@@MERLK2 No wonder the walls gave away when you remove a LOT of the load spreading, and shift the load more towards the edge. Pressure increases significantly (well, exactly 3.2 times) and buckling becomes a bigger concern, the 8 to 2.5 inches BS was definitely one of the key components here. Even if the top structure girders were recalculated, it would probably have collapsed anyway with that reduced support area change. The opposite might have held up better (crappier top structure on the full calculated width).
@paulfagiolo1000
Жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a trumpet player in the band but arranged for a substitute when his wife (my grandmother) was going into labor with my father. The substitute in that seat unfortunately died and my father essentially saved his dad’s life by being born.
@jenniferdurby6552
Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@katiekane5247
Жыл бұрын
What a family story!
@jessd3012
Жыл бұрын
How heartbreaking for the architect, especially since he was helping with the recovery. Rip, Reginald W. Geare, history remembers you more kindly than those around did when you were alive. I just learned that he was only 37 when he died. Absolutely tragic.
@eddiehimself
Жыл бұрын
Incredibly sad about the architect, who had done his job properly but his plans weren't followed and actually helped to save lives on the day, but got blamed nevertheless.
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
It was pretty bad he got the blame
@bradsanders407
Жыл бұрын
He didn't do his job. His job is to ensure things are being done the way he designed them. You dont get to take all the glory when things go right and none of the blame when it goes to hell.
@sal-my1id
Жыл бұрын
@@bradsanders407 you're thinking of the contractors and engineers. architects are employed to draft the hypothetical building, make sure it won't piss itself under stress, and cart the papers off to the people who actually build the thing. in this case, two very drastic design changes were made (the reduction in truss strength plus the shallower inset into the load-bearing walls) without the architect's approval, or even knowledge, as far as i can tell
@marhawkman303
Жыл бұрын
@@sal-my1id yeah, those two changes drastically reduced the safety of the design.
@wilsjane
Жыл бұрын
@@sal-my1id The bearing distance was ridiculous. For domestic houses 4 inches is the minimum, while for commercial it should be between 9 and 18. In addition, either engineering bricks or a concrete padstone should be used to distribute th crush load. On buildings such as theatres, due to the span, a horizontal steel along the top of the supporting wall is not uncommon. In countries where snowfall is a problem, a pitched roof is normally used, with the front and rear walls higher to support the ridge and hide the gable. In this situation, the ceiling steels go under stress to support the load and remove horizontal load from the side walls. In many traditional cinemas and theaters, a high front wall in the center, stepping down towards the edges is a common architectural feature. The high center section, allows the main signage to stand out above the building.
@the57bears
Жыл бұрын
I love your unexplained tangents. Left me wondering what that Odeon did to you, and whether you're considering becoming an arsonist.
@AshLilburne
Жыл бұрын
I know right? Not even joking. The flames were hot
@TheGelasiaBlythe
Жыл бұрын
I saw the Odeon bit and was like 👀
@Rustyshackleford752
Жыл бұрын
Lmao!!, my thoughts exactly
@mrtalos
Жыл бұрын
In the comments looking for answers 😂
@quasicroissant
Жыл бұрын
What I'm intrigued by is the history of Ben's Chili Bowl
@Serenity_Dee
Жыл бұрын
Calling World War I "a little border dispute" is an impressive degree of understatement even for a Brit.
@barrydysert2974
Жыл бұрын
IKR !:-)
@NewPaulActs17
Жыл бұрын
it's like calling our american revolution "a tax debate"
@superomegaprimemk2
Жыл бұрын
So does that make WW2 a school yard brawl???
@NewPaulActs17
Жыл бұрын
@@superomegaprimemk2 battle of the moustache men
@markh.6687
Жыл бұрын
I think it borders on downplaying WWI, but I could be mistaken.
@patriciayoung3267
Жыл бұрын
I remember when I was very young (1960's) I was visiting my Grandmother during the winter and when my family left to go home it was snowing very heavily and my Grandma told us not to go to the movies. At the time it seemed to me to be a very odd thing to say but as I got older I realized That this was a reference to the Knickerbocker theater collapse that people of that era would say when it snowed hard.
@patrickdix772
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me a bit of the Hyatt Regency walkway collapse. The architect's design for the walkway was changed in multiple ways by the construction company. Though thankfully the original designer wasn't blamed in that case (though the choice of design was questionable at best for parts of it).
@eaglescout1984
Жыл бұрын
Actually, the structural engineer was to blame in that case. The steel fabricators submitted a change request to him and he approved it without even doing a simple analysis that would have revealed the design change doubled the weight on the 4th floor box beam. It is used as a case study in engineering curriculum as an example where an engineer failed to do their due diligence and people perished as a result.
@patrickdix772
Жыл бұрын
@eaglescout1984 it's been a long while since I looked at the details. I don't know if the architect and structural engineer were the same, but I'd assume the original idea tor the walkway layout was the architect's if they were different people. I probably should have checked before posting. I may have misremembered which changes were sent for approval and which weren't as well, though (and you likely already know all this part). There were 2 things changed. The support rods were originally going to the full length from the ceiling that was meant to be threaded the full length (which is stupid due to the high chance of the threading getting messed up). It was changed to 2 separate lengths of rod with threads only on the ends, which is much easier to manufacture and install but did cause the load on the upper level walkway to increase. The other change was the walkway supports the rods went through, which was meant to be square tube, which isn't used as frequently and as such is more expensive. They instead got c channel steel and welded 2 pieces of that together, which matched the dimensions of the square tube but is much weaker as a result of the welding. The rods were installed literally through the weld, the weakest part of the modification from the design.
@Inferryu
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickdix772 Different people, the architect was Edward Larrabee Barnes, the structural engineer was Jack D. Gillum who, after the disaster, spend several years doing conferences to new engineers, claiming the responsibility and what traumas it brought to him, in hopes "to scare the daylights out of them" so they would do their job properly.
@neilkurzman4907
Жыл бұрын
The original architect design was unworkable in the real world. A three story tall, threaded rod. The problem there was the modification was never designed by an architect, but it was signed off, which is why the head architect lost their license.
@stevencooke6451
Жыл бұрын
There are some similarities. Especially in not re-calculating the load limits.
@marks1638
Жыл бұрын
One of my fellow Air Force comrades lost a relative to that collapse. During one of our bull sessions after an long shift (and after a few Cokes and Rums.) he told me a bit about his family. When he was kid in the 60's he saw this photo of his family from 1921. He asked his mom and great aunt about the photo. They told him about the history of the family (and its tragedies) and the Knickerbocker Theater's role. One of the young boys in the photo died in WWII in a bomber accident in the US, one of the girls died of diphtheria several years later, and one of the older boys (15 at the time) died at the Knickerbocker Theatre in Washington DC escorting his grandma (her husband was sick with influenza) and she wanted to see the movie. It was common in those days for a male member of the family to escort a female family member (no matter her age) to an event for companionship and in this case help her walk home due to the snow. Amazingly she made it out, but he didn't while trying to help other people from under a broken roof section. It collapsed and killed him. Her grandma rarely talked about him, but his family feel it shortened her life with the guilt of her insistence to go out that night. His grandma died a few years later from heart failure (her great grandson (my friend) never met her). He showed me the same picture of that happy family in 1921.
@lachbullen8014
Жыл бұрын
This is actually the first time I've heard a businessman taking responsibility for what happened It is sad that he did take his own life but he was distraught by these events..
@Hollandsemum2
Жыл бұрын
There is a geographical aspect to this as well. The latitude of DC means it rarely sees snow making it too expensive to have a lot of snow removal equipment even in the modern era, and difficult to understand the impact snow can have - remember Air Florida and the 14th Street bridge also in DC. Generally, the line where the Gulf air and Canadian air meet can fluctuate from roughly Northern VA to the Mason-Dixon line. When my family lived in Maryland we would most commonly have one big snowfall in mid February, but many rounds and types of ice from the warm Gulf air raining through the frigid Canadian air. That resulted in about equal amounts of plowing vs solely salting equipment to quickly remove the black ice. So while they had some experience with designing for snow loading in that area (I'm curious as to wheher the original 8 inch beam allowance on the wall would really have been enough for snow loading on a flat roof), the construction crew who reduced the beam length would certainly not have had much. Regardless of the vehicles they had, they would've been ill equipped to remove snow for emergency vehicles. Unfortunately, construction not following architectural plans is not uncommon. I think they often don't realize/understand the physics & engineering involved in the architect's work leading to blind changes on site, usually without even the construction supervisor's awareness. (Study your high school physics!!.) Off the top of my head I can think of several. 1. I-35 in Minnesota in which materials for fixing a badly weakened bridge were all piled in one spot ON the bridge, with the heavy equipment parked next to it on days off. 2. A highway overpass collapse out West (don't remember which state) in which the workers decided they could use the additional surface space the saw on the other side of the concrete construction barriers and decided to move them without checking with their supervisor, let alone an engineer. The entire edge gave way and dropped on to the highway below, just as a car was passing through. The top of the car was sliced right off at the level of the trunk & hood/boot & bonnet killing the vacationing family inside 3. The Hyatt Regency collapse in which the construction supervisor foolishly approved a suggestion for changing the walkway hangers' design to make it easier on them in building it 🙄 without checking with the architect/structural engineer. The change then put the mass of each walkway squarely on each connection to the one above instead of all of the load being supported by the ceiling beams which had been designed to do that. So eventually the top walkway was no longer able to support the lower 2 with its joints. And if I recall correctly, the bolt sizes for the joints were also reduced contributing to the collapse (they will constantly move around due to the active load). And, there actually are some fims that are just incompetent. The one that was building the pedestrian bridge in FL comes to mind. They ignored physical warning signs and let the structure sit far too long without fixing and then advancing with the engineered support areas. What frightens me about them, is that they built a bridge near my current location that was supposed to be a 40 year bridge, but within the first 5 or so had problems that the city & county decided would require yearly inspections. Then, around the 15 year mark a piece began falling apart near the top requiring replacing and full inspection. They government has been surprisingly good about finding and immediately adapting their interaction with the bridge, but what sort of idiotic firm designs a bridge built of prefab concrete blocks held together by steel straps WITHIN 5 MILES OF THE VERY SALTY ATLANTIC OCEAN?!
@MichaelScottRamming
Жыл бұрын
#2 sounds a bit like the C-470 expansion over I-70 collapse west of Denver, Colorado. The contractor was supposed to install two prefabricated girders over I-70 during the night shift and then brace them together. But they didn’t get the pieces laid out correctly, so when they went to bolt the first girder together, they discovered the parts didn’t fit, so they had to undo their work, turn things the right way around, and reconnect. So installing the first girder took about twice as long as planned, and there wasn’t time to get the second girder up before they had to reopen I-70 below. It was a weekend, and city people love going to the mountains. They’d tried some makeshift bracing to the existing overpass, but it wasn’t enough. Sadly, a passerby noticed the girder sagging to the side mid-span, and called 911, but the 911 operator didn’t understand “I-beam girder”, and instead dispatched a Colorado DOT crew to fix a roadway warning sign that was hanging upside down since its top bolt broke off. Which coincidentally, the highway maintenance crew were able to find and repair, while not noticing the sagging new girder. At the time, all the news stations were playing back the 911 recording that went something like: 911 caller: There’s an I-beam girder over I-70 at C-470 that’s crooked and looks like it’s about to fall. 911 operator: So there’s a sign that’s dangling? Caller: No, an I-BEAM GIRDER Operator: Well, that’s basically the same as a sign then, right? Caller: No. Just send the highway crew out to take a look.
@franklittle8124
Жыл бұрын
I grew up and lived in the the Washington DC area from the 1960s thorough 1980s and heavy snows were common most winters in Washington, DC in those days. They often don't stay on the ground long, but 1 foot (30cm) snowfalls happened most winters from coastal nor-easters. But since the 1990s winters have become much milder. No more ice skating on the reflecting pool and C&O canal like we used to do.
@dajosh42069
Жыл бұрын
These are always so brutally bad... Disasters back then were always 5x-10x more deadly before the regulations and safety measures we've since put in place, IN MANY CASES _BECAUSE_ of said disasters. It's nice that...at least _SOMETHING_ good comes out of the horrible suffering and loss of these tragedies.
@craigh5236
Жыл бұрын
Regulations are written in blood
@patrickdix772
Жыл бұрын
@andywomack3414 they're also often repealed or weakened for profit as well. Either by corporate owners becoming politicians or bribing (sorry, lobbying) for the changes.
@andywomack3414
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickdix772 That is the neoliberal supply side world, a bipartisan vision.
@defectiveaffect
Жыл бұрын
To anyone still in school or wanting to become someone who helps in building creations; THIS is why understanding math is so important. The architect understood that 8in would be enough to hold up the ceiling even under snow or water weight. The people in charge did not. By knowing some basic math, science, language and history disasters like that can very much be avoided.
@sophierobinson2738
Жыл бұрын
Very good point! I never did well in math, until I got a good teacher in my later years. My father wanted me to be a teacher, I wanted to be a geologist. I became a mechanic!
@akurra4342
Жыл бұрын
I was reading about this the other day, thank you for covering this saddening disaster
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@wilting_alocasia
Жыл бұрын
Now im curious about Ben's Chilli Bowl too! 😂
@ysucae
Жыл бұрын
the fact that the architect took his own life is tragic. he was done dirty and people's incompetence was at fault. seeing stories like this always remind me of one of my uncles, a bridge engineer. he has a steel(?) ring on his little finger to remember the quebec bridge collapses and how engineers holds responsibility to the lives of many. i wish they'd do something like that for everybody involved in overseeing construction work. sure, you saved money but now people are dead. (i can't seem to find your video on that subject tho... am i imagining things? haha)
@RatPfink66
Жыл бұрын
as i thought to myself, "I hope Ben's Chili Bowl never killed anybody," it crossed my mind that you might wish to cover the 1933 Congress Hotel restaurant epidemic in Chicago. It was quite the slow motion disaster and took great effort on the part of public health agencies to unravel the cause and scope of it.
@thaliabirrueta8456
Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of that disaster, so I'll look it up. I like learning about public health cases.
@ThePoxun
Жыл бұрын
2 inches is nothing... the metalwork involved could easily have shrunk much more than that when chilled by the snow and ice and fallen out of the support, even if the truss itself didn't fail under the weight.
@sometimesleela5947
Жыл бұрын
True, and with that great of a span, two inches is a very small percentage shortening. Beams are expected to flex under load, and as they do, their end-to-end width decreases, pulling them outward from the recesses.
@iWillHumbleYou
Жыл бұрын
"2 inches is nothing..." Who are you, my wife?😂😢
@AnUndeadMonkey
Жыл бұрын
Add to that the way the curtain wall had moved over time in its own right due to the shrink/expand cycles, the truss basically walked itself out of seat a little at a time.
@tadecker82
Жыл бұрын
Simple rule for ANY AND EVERY engineering/construction venture: OVERENGINEER, AND FOLLOW THE DAMNED DESIGN PLANS!!! EVERY SINGLE TIME something fails, it's because rules and regulations, and even designs, aren't followed in an attempt to save money. PRO TIP: If you're sued into oblivion, you're NOT saving money. 🤷♂️
@felipecardoza9967
Жыл бұрын
I had already seen a program on this disaster but OF COURSE I had to watch John's video because this just fit right in with all the other disasters caused by somebody messing with someone else's design engineering.
@Tinhare
Жыл бұрын
The question not answered is why the trusses were only inset by 2". It would mean that either the trusses were 8" too short or the walls were 8" too far apart rather than to speed up construction. Interesting video as always.
@patrickdix772
Жыл бұрын
The trusses probably came in parts, rather than the full width of the roof. So they may just have had truss segments overlap more than planned to avoid having the properly make the seating. What they'd do that, I have some ideas, but it depends on what the wall is made of. For example, if it was brick, they may have needed to cut bricks to correctly fit the truss, but that seems unlikely to me.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickdix772 Trusses were commonly fabricated on site in the day... It was as common for commercial settings as it was for residential, anywhere truss-construction was applicable. Such things are practically entirely illegal now, and for many of the reasons they actively preferred to fabricate on site at the time... The primary reason was that it was cheaper and faster to just keep shipping raw materials to the site, rather than to engineer any or all the customized and/or unique equipment to bring fully fabricated trusses to many such sites. Unfortunately, ALSO "in the day" the raw materials weren't quite as tightly governed nor tolerances kept "in spec" as it were. Situations regularly landed on the figurative laps of contractors and construction companies to "figure it out" where every structural piece of material is some dubious length less than required by the spec's for the job, and it's a "professional" who can make a judgment call to use what's at hand, rather than "bitch and whine" to oversight about the supplies provided. This went doubly for anyone in the industry during a time of war. You were not only "pathetic" for not being able to "make sh*t work" but you were "UNAMERICAN" for whining at home when the men abroad were fighting and DYING to protect and support the country "and our very way of life"... SO it became a blanket-excuse to short-change every contractor who tried like hell to stay in business... and a LOT of horrible sh*t was done to save a few cents... let alone dollars. Don't get me wrong. This doesn't excuse the reckless decision to slack off the support by only insetting trusses at 2 inches! For such a span, that's barely anything at all, and as I understand it (and I can be wrong), thermal shrinkage can be more than 2 inches... AND we haven't even considered the loss of span due to bowing under strain. It's not the place nor time I'd have recommended a flat roof... though I doubt anyone would've willfully funded a project with a dome of any kind. I'd still suspect the length and construction requirements were simply short for the site, and in haste to make deadlines, they shortened the trusses and "just eyeballed it" hoping that 2 inches would be sufficient. For years, it was, to be fair... at least, until it wasn't. ;o)
@MrBirdnose
Жыл бұрын
There was some suggestion that the curved bearing wall had shifted outward over the years due to vibration from passing streetcars, that may have also had an effect.
@CartoonHero1986
Жыл бұрын
This is actually one of the many reasons all modern theatres built after the 1930's had to have independent external building load bearing superstructures apart from the internal theatre "flying" or gallery load bearing structures. So ideally theatres are essentially two structures nested one inside the other, the outer structure takes the load of roof, walls, and basement floor/foundation, and all of the standard building materials needed to make a building a functioning building (basic electrics and plumbing), while the internal structure(s) which are mostly just "skeletal" structures with floors that all the internal decor and technical equipment literally hang from with large service accesses between the two structures. It is also why the 10:1 and 100:1 rules for "flying" anything exist today. If you wish to put a perminate deco ceiling in your auditorium everything that holds it there must be able to take 10 times the actual static weight of the ceiling (every 1lb per sq ft load must be held in place by hardware that can support at least 10lb per sq ft). If you wish to hang something like a model of spaceship over the heads of audience or staff members and/or something mechanical (moving) the rigging and structure must be able to hold 100 times the actual static weight of the object you're flying (every 1lb per sq ft load you hang must be held in place by hardware that can support up to 100lb per sq foot) which was taken from general construction building codes all ceilings must be a 10:1 load bearing structure and all floors must be a 100:1 load bearing structure.
@hyperactivehyena
Жыл бұрын
Latching onto that tease there- I'd absolutely listen to you talk about a building with an interesting construction or past, whether it has disasters involved or not
@wjeiv
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your educational videos, John!
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@drowningnixis
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing their story.
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@drowningnixis
Жыл бұрын
@@PlainlyDifficult 😊
@Mark-yk1ny
Жыл бұрын
2-in 😳 bloody hell. Great video as always thanks John 👍 and love your London weather report at the end of each video 😆
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sz
Жыл бұрын
Love this channel KZitem wouldn't be the same without it
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@daneofdanger
Жыл бұрын
It's a bit surreal hearing you call out Ben's Chili Bowl. I guess you would inevitably cover something local to me, but I was not prepared
@RHR-221b
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jon/John. A tragic, sad occasion, narrated and visually portrayed with love and complete decency. All the best to yours and you, from mine and me. *Rest In Peace.* ✝ Stay free. Rab 👋 🕊
@The_Lone_Wolf
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your content Sir, you are one of four of my favorite KZitemrs to watch in regards to content, and thank you for the extra effort you put into your videos Sir.
@myownprivatejoke
Жыл бұрын
Odeon Dunfermline actually has a pretty nice interior, I don't know if that was always the case though. My local used to be a UCI, and the seats were pretty basic but I loved the foyer carpet.
@RedNightDragon1
Жыл бұрын
I won't give away the location, but when I saw that palm tree, I knew exactly which Odeon cinema you referenced. I see it nearly every day, to and from work. ;-)
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
😉
@twocvbloke
Жыл бұрын
When people take steps to save money, whether "there's a war on you know" or not, disaster will follow...
@Ciborium
Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that John does not have good feelings toward the Odeon theater of his childhood.
@RatPfink66
Жыл бұрын
from the comments, i gather it had inadequate a/c and was a sweatbox.
@docsgarage3643
Жыл бұрын
Aside from the consistenly terrific content, this channel is where I get my UK weather updates. 😊
@MTB_Beth
Жыл бұрын
Love the intro music John! 🎉 thanks for another great quality video! From Australia 🇦🇺
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@abingdonwoodworks9786
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully the only disaster stories you can find about Ben’s involves the inevitable problems that come with ordering too many chili dogs.
@AshLilburne
Жыл бұрын
Wow. What an ending. To the video and to both Gear and Crandle and to those and the families of those that lost loves ones. So in a way, both figuratively and literally to everyone. Mr Music, once again my friend..
@smallsleepyrascalcat
Жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting and well done video. I had never heard of this incident before.
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Seat1AJoe
Жыл бұрын
A sad story, John. An excellent production.
@omegadubois6619
Жыл бұрын
I keep my phone on the counter when I'm prepping and cooking meals. So I was concentrating on dicing veg when I heard the name Patton. I quickly looked at my phone in time for him to affirm I had heard right. It was as though he knew lol
@_maxgray
Жыл бұрын
This reminded me of the collapse of the Metrodome (a stadium in Minnesota that served professional basketball, baseball, and football). Its inflatable dome collapsed due to a combination of snow and wind. Thankfully, no one was hurt.
@MightyMezzo
Жыл бұрын
Good clear explanation of this disaster. Many sad stories came out of this.
@lomax7819
Жыл бұрын
It's strange that George Patton would show up commanding Marines considering he was an Army officer.
@ZGryphon
Жыл бұрын
Army personnel were also involved in the rescue efforts (as were DC police, firefighters, and any other able-bodied individual who happened to be nearby). Major Patton, as he was at the time, was in overall command of the operation, which, as you might imagine given the circumstances, was extremely thrown-together. (I have not found a source as to why this happened to be the case; it's possible that it was simply because the Army post where he was stationed, Fort Myer, was the nearest command to the incident scene.)
@anthonyjackson280
Жыл бұрын
Especially in a WW2 era jeep....
@mclj10
Жыл бұрын
The Odeon bit killed me 😭
@jnerdsblog
Жыл бұрын
Good to see you again, my dude! Thanks again for the awesome content.
@stuartthornton3027
Жыл бұрын
Love your music John 👍
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@jooleebilly
Жыл бұрын
Love the ominous music and flames for the Odeon scene ... unless it burned down or something. If not, it's a comedic master stroke!
@icarus_falling
Жыл бұрын
I remember back in the start when I subbed on patreon and it was one of my first patreon subs... and john here sent me his script for me to take info from. Ahh back in the day lol. Been busy elsewhere. Back subbed now though
@damiensadventure
Жыл бұрын
Nice video as always John! Also, mild weather is good weather!
@joshcarter-com
Жыл бұрын
By my math, if the steel was assembled to nominal dimensions in summer at a temperature of 80F, and let's say the theater was 0F during that night (so temperature delta of -80F) and the width of the girders was 150 feet (ChatGPT's estimate) the girders would've shrunk a full inch simply due to thermal contraction. So they're barely holding onto that masonry lip even before you add the load. Add in normal movement of a structure and that ceiling was fixing to come down. How anybody could've thought 2in was sufficient is beyond me; just by eyeball a reasonable person would say, "gee, that doesn't look like enough."
@franklittle8124
Жыл бұрын
I recall that the snow was described as a heavy wet snow, so the temperature was probably not colder than 25F or so. But you point is still of course valid.
@zombierobot5747
Жыл бұрын
I love your channel.❤ Keep up the wonderful work.
@andybrooks7228
Жыл бұрын
Not sure how old you are but back in the 1970's and early to mid 80's Cinemas still held a level of gravitas at least to my memory. These days they seem to be more interested in profit than customer care.
@BigArt1970
Жыл бұрын
Great video! The music was perfect for the subject. 👍
@Dulcimertunes
11 ай бұрын
In the Midwest during the winters of 1977-1979, so much snow fell that many homes and businesses had roofs collapsed
@arielx31
Жыл бұрын
That poor architect. He did his job...it was everyone else that didnt do their job properly. And he even helped people/helped save people...😔
@emmahenry3995
Жыл бұрын
Ahh the Beckenham Odeon 🤣 rumour has it the air-con still doesn't work and they've just turned screen 2 into a Greenhouse and 5 into a Turkish bath
@dellahicks7231
Жыл бұрын
Where I live on the prairies of Canada, where we can easily get 18" of snow or more at one time, (That doesn't melt, it stays until April) there are very strict building codes due to snow and ice loads. Flat roofs are rare in new construction around these parts. My dad was a carpenter all his life, my father-in-law the same and my husband started down that road as well. The dad's despised flat roofs, husband still does!
@cadillacdeville5828
Жыл бұрын
The area is about 35-40 minutes away from me. It's so strange to see how areas were before you were born and how they have changed over time
@MightyMezzo
Жыл бұрын
Curiosity made me look for “Get Rich Quick Wallingford.” It’s a lost film.
@miaohmya92
Жыл бұрын
Thank you John! I watch these before I go to work. Other people's misery has a way of abating my disdain for the upcoming work day here in this sunny corner of Northeast satan's a*shole (Florida).
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
That’s one way to get thru the day
@gNome_5
Жыл бұрын
My condolences for the state in which you find yourself, both literally and figuratively! 😵💫😢🥵😉🤣
@tphillips6952
Жыл бұрын
Yes, DeSatanis has certainly purged his colon on every citizen there.
@chillybrit2334
Жыл бұрын
I love the Odeon grim THX sound riff :D
@fordson51
Жыл бұрын
Brick Immorter covered this tragedy. His version covers the engineering failures in more detail for those interested.
@ethribin4188
Жыл бұрын
Once again, just proof why we don't build flat roofs and why we don't cut corners... Or at least, why we shouldn't.
@roryfriththetraveller4982
Жыл бұрын
the odeon tangent was such a mood oh my god
@famousutopias
11 ай бұрын
After commenting elsewhere, it occurs to me that the only way that the side wall penetration of the roof girders was only 2” is if the side walls were built to plan and the new girders were manufactured too short in length compared to the truss system. So they go to drop them in place and they’re coming up short. Wow. It’s not like you can stretch them or send them back. Modifications to an already built masonry wall and it’s already build footers/foundation isn’t very feasible either. Trying to spread the load with plate is dicey too, with a girder of that length so close to the edge. The icy temperature contraction (insulation above the plaster ceiling was surely nil) and that amount of (wet DC) snow just put too much force on a vanishingly thin masonry edge.
@smorris12
Жыл бұрын
The Lincoln Theatre? That's like having a JFK Book Repository!
@UHF43
Жыл бұрын
Ironies of life 🤭
@curlycurl2451
Жыл бұрын
Would you ever cover the Concorde or Air France Flight 4590 and the results that would affect the Concorde. Thank you for the interesting video though, as always.
@charlestysonyerkes4322
Жыл бұрын
2:08 - Beckenham Odeon (formerly The Regal) represent! 11:09 - The Glades, Bromley. On a very quiet day. John's ethereal music suits the haunting reality of going shopping (for me anyway)! On a serious note, a chilling story. The architect got a lot pinned on him. It's not just the legal and reputational penalties, the poor bloke had to live with that for his remaining years. The owner also.
@WouldntULikeToKnow.
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised there weren't more fatalities. What a horrific situation.
@MystRunner916
Жыл бұрын
As a friend of mine who lived at 10k in elevation said about snow. When it falls you don't bother with your drive way. You shovel your roof instead.
@PauperJ
Жыл бұрын
Great video. We can't wait until your Ben's Chili Bowl production.
@righteothenable
11 ай бұрын
Okay, the Odeon part was really funny. 😂
@juliefore
Жыл бұрын
“meant to be” words to pay attention to in any disaster documentary.
@MrSecurity.
Жыл бұрын
The Walmart near where I live had the roof collapsed twice because of snowfall. I'm in an area I'm South Dakota where we get hundreds of inches of snow a year. Sometimes up to 6 ft in just a couple days. And they took that into account when they built the Walmart. But that didn't prevent it from collapsing twice
@bunnymad5049
Жыл бұрын
I don't know how people can live with themselves, deliberately taking shortcuts like this. That poor architect. He designed a perfectly good building.
@Deltarious
Жыл бұрын
gotta feel bad for the architect. Imagine designing a structure with, for the time, *more* than ample safety and load bearing margin and then two (or more) separate completely unapproved *major* design deviations evaporate all of that margin leaving nothing left to take the strain of the snow
@SpankyK
Жыл бұрын
A good structural engineer is worth his weight in gold.
@pfadiva
Жыл бұрын
Only if you listen to said engineer and not think you know better.
@RomanceOnHigh
Жыл бұрын
Well now we need to know more about these Odeons 😂
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Grim places
@Twelveinchpianist
Жыл бұрын
You make disasters sound sooooo good dude haha.
@vivalapita8484
Жыл бұрын
Imagine being that little boy tasked with bringing water to obviously dying people. Trauma that will permeate his family for generations.
@sal-my1id
Жыл бұрын
honestly. it's heart-wrenching when kids, or anyone really, are forced into hero's roles in situations like these
@The_CGA
Жыл бұрын
John, I can’t believe I’m saying this But I think you might be the person to do a disaster video about 9/11 and it actually add something to the world
@nonamesplease6288
Жыл бұрын
Washington, DC, and indeed the whole Eastern seaboard of the US, don't typically get a lot of snow in a given year. However, when one of those winter nor'easters come through, Washington and the region can really get dumped on. It's not a surprise that the theater was intact until one of those occasional bad storms stressed the roof.
@KidarWolf
4 ай бұрын
Poor Mr Geare. In my opinion, he should not have taken any of the blame. It is not his fault that the building was not constructed according to his specifications. How dare anyone blame him for something beyond his control. He not only designed the building properly (for the time especially), but also aided directly in the rescue of victims of the collapse. The man should have been praised as a diligent and caring hero.
@Iffy350
Жыл бұрын
2:11 feel like this needs some explanation for us non Londoner’s.
@tanyac3897
Жыл бұрын
I’d say it all goes back to the city. They approved the change, they inspected and approved the construction, they approved the opening. Case closed.
@vustvaleo8068
Жыл бұрын
it is not the architect's fault because the contractor changed his design to save money but people still blamed him which ended up making him took his own life out of a non-existent guilt.
@tinygrim
Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@sageboneless3572
Жыл бұрын
i’ve been to the lincoln theater, it’s so nice inside but when i went the ac wasn’t working so it was HOT! bens chili bowl is also soo good, def recommend going there if you find urself in the area
@Oz_Darkr1d3r
Жыл бұрын
Im an American i dont understand the Odean part with the flames? Was there a big fire at an odean in UK or something???
@josephmosser5203
Жыл бұрын
Please do a video about your Odeon childhood horrors next.
@PlainlyDifficult
Жыл бұрын
:D That would be too grim!
@lorddrayvon1426
Жыл бұрын
To anyone wondering, the site today is now occupied by an abandoned building that was formerly a branch of the now (sort of) defunct SunTrust Bank.
@FunPicard
Жыл бұрын
I know that Odeon. Yeah, not quite luxury, but at least there's a Wimpy round the corner.
@StephenCole1916
Жыл бұрын
Ben's Chilli Bowl just celebrated 65 years in business! 🌭
@chaseman113
Жыл бұрын
Inside of that theater looks a lot like my high school’s auditorium, but I guess it’s a time period look.
@macaylacayton2915
Жыл бұрын
Btw I had to google what this was tied with and it's actually the Surfside Condo Collapse
@nedludd7622
Жыл бұрын
This was not negligence, it was cutting-corners.
@gravewalkerz7787
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the truss was built on site to fit the existing wall pockets or if the wall pockets were built for an existing truss.
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