I think this was also a big part of Marx's theory. The relationship that the "servant" has with his work. When the capitalist takes that "surplus" of the servant's work, they are taking "the person" or "their humanity". Because of that bond created between the servant/worker and its work (the work is now an extension of the person) . He learned that from Hegel.
@philipswain4122
Жыл бұрын
Exactly right. This is why it’s important to read philosophy in chronological order. I made the mistake of diving in mid-Locke and was completely lost. I went back to Plato then Aristotle etc.
@uchuuseijin
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Marx was famously Hegelian
@johnbroadway4196
Жыл бұрын
In sense of one consciousness, There are many who use passion as to present an argument to be honest. Yet what sways all is the time of youthful desires to the reasons of wisdom. It is of invocation which is later to be judged. Just as theoretical physicists have their hypotheses in science. Philosophers probe into their own minds and certain thoughts of others around them. Basically, Each argument has been fed to a young mind, and that which grows from ignorance is another branch to stretch outward to be closer to the Sun.
@Tryalittlebit
Жыл бұрын
What’s messed up about marx is he disagrees with Hegel, believes Hegels ideas should be “flipped on their head” but then still continues to use Hegels dialectics. Ultimately, as a society we still use Hegels method in search for the truth. Most of the “issues” marx spotted with capitalism have already been reverted or solved in some in some way. Class separation is a lot different now than it was in Marx’s time too. Being a neo-marxists in todays society requires a strict degree of not caring about the well being of others at all. Objectively, his ideas might be the foundation for a society ran by science, but humans aren’t objects, we’re free willed subjects. Where freedom exists, a man exists who thinks he deserves more freedom than everyone else. It’s just nature, and Marx’s rebuttal to Hegel is only another layer of evidence that Hegels dialectics are written into nature.
@polygentle5679
Жыл бұрын
@@Tryalittlebit Dialectics aren't written into nature, they come from nature.
@camillevandenboer4777
Жыл бұрын
Never heard someone explain Hegel this clear, thank you. I'm definitely going to start listening to your podcast (after my exam tho)!!!
@donaldist7321
5 ай бұрын
agreed. The way she explains how the fight between master and slave (a Knecht is more like an indentured serve) comes about is different from other Hegel interpreters such as Kojeve
@TWMoore
Күн бұрын
Great coverage of that section. It is definitely one of the more salient sections. That and the one that tells about individuality and university. Great video
@VincentEdwardCastro
2 жыл бұрын
I keep trying to go back and read phenomenology of the spirit and its just such a thick read. Thank you for these videos to help me understand and start an internal dialogue of what I read or am going to read. Motivates me to pick it back up and continue.
@VincentEdwardCastro
Жыл бұрын
@@honey...salguod Agreed. Having the word choices and concepts would help. Will check out the dictionary/encyclopedia. Thank you!
@incognitoanonymous5396
2 жыл бұрын
One cannot expect a better explanation than this. I read about this yesterday but I missed a lot because the writer assumes a lot from the reader. As for the part that elucidate the master-slave dialectics in Hegel's Phenomenology, I could not keep up with those long "monsters of abstraction". Hegel stated that he wanted to make philosophy speak German. His writing certainly testifies his struggle lol
@rafeeqwarfield9690
Жыл бұрын
I’m so happy I’ve found these videos. Binging the past couple days ❤
@jiahongao5811
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this channel, very clear explanations!
@davidellis5240
5 ай бұрын
I think the issue is more about the rapacious drive for survival that leads to fight when threatened. Anything that is not familiar is instinctively viewed as a potential threat until it is proven not to be. Anytime that hasn’t happened (Europeans come to the New World) it has had tragic results for the ones who trust without question. In some cases, the only thing we have to fear is the lack of fear itself. Courage is not the absence of fear, it is being afraid and doing the right thing anyway
@khandkersalahuddin5344
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, brilliant! wonderful presentation, beautiful subject, precise and thought provoking. Thank you,
@0bleach0
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! As a shmuck with no formal understanding of philosophy, this was incredibly valuable
@IamJsb
2 жыл бұрын
This channel is highly underrated. Hope you get more views and subscribers. Cheers! 🍹
@pakiretic
Жыл бұрын
Conceptualizing the concept never so easy as you make it, hats off to you, Professor.
@mikexhotmail
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very very much
@maceogillies9143
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the help, I began reading Hegel's Independence, Dependence and Self-consciousness section and found it quite tricky, this vid is a great help to go back and re read. thanks!
@kehindeonakunle7404
2 жыл бұрын
You are a professorial genius, explaining highly complex idea, simply.
@joshv.1490
Жыл бұрын
The assumption Hegel makes in a consciousness encountering another consciousness with an immediate sense of hostility strikes me as a perspective rooted in cultural biases. I'm not saying it doesn't still have value in what he is able to derive from the dialectic, but I find it worthwhile to consider that this shouldn't be taken as an absolute. In an environment where there is the tighter bonds of community established and a prioritization of the community, one could as easily look at another consciousness with a sense of comfort and security. We are a social creature, and as much as we are clearly our own worst enemies, simultaneously we require each other for community, legacy, and meaningfulness. What good is it to tell a joke, should no one be around to laugh at it?
@logicking3765
Ай бұрын
The immediate sense of “hostility” refers to opposition, which in itself does not indicate hostility nor harmony. It is simply a statement of indicate tension. As such, opposition in all things does make sense and it is inevitable for two consciousnesses to “fight” to the death.
@joshv.1490
Ай бұрын
@@logicking3765 you took a pretty wild turn with that second and third sentence. I don't know what could substantiate such a sweeping assertion.
@hanscastorp1303
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was such a great video! The older translation is really problematic (the newer one as "master and servant", too, in my opinion). Originally, Hegel used "Herr" (Lord?) and Knecht (a farm worker, not a servant - that would be "Diener" in German). The wording relates to the the very intimate relationships of owners and workers in a rural setting of a pre-modern society and thereby puts so much more weight into the "recognition" of the theory. "Master and Servant" always sounds like Jane Austen, who describes a rural world were those above the stairs and those below the stairs were already very disconnected.
@bidonbidon7463
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it could be translated as lord/serf as in feudal society. "Serf" exists in English and French and this would keep the rural connotation even if it also allows a reading as servant.
@1careycarey
Ай бұрын
Came here from reading a reference to Hegel in "The Bonds of Love: Psychoanalysis, Feminism, and The Problem of Domination" by Jessica Benjamin. The ideas seem very obvious but complicated at the same time.
@megazekemeister
2 жыл бұрын
What a great and clear explanation.
@Abbaas7908
Жыл бұрын
Keep up the high spirit. It's helping a lot. Thanks
@JoshGrube
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Amazingly clear and effective explanation of such a complex concept
@nissetuta
2 жыл бұрын
You're so good at explaining Hegel:)
@priyankagupta7371
Жыл бұрын
This was so useful. I couldn't understand anything when the teacher explained it seems so easy now
@idicula1979
Жыл бұрын
So true, kind of bring to mind the opposite of love is not hate but indifference, because only in indifference are you stunted from reality.
@asielnorton345
Жыл бұрын
just ran into these videos. pretty dope so far. there is an interesting class dichotomy between manager and worker. obviously these kind of dynamics are materially gone into further with marx. but in terms of spirit, which is what interested hegel more, it is interesting that it is tangibly noticeable that workers generally seem like more rounded human beings, just more soulful, developed as people; while managers are generally more culturally, politically educated. this idea has always been present it seems to me, based on reading literature, and obviously hegel's theory.
@angelikaauer573
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a psychological and personal struggle widely discussed as the "narcissist & empath" dynamic, which in essence refers to a co-dependent relationship dynamic... Thank you for your amazing content btw!
@user-vs9bt6qr4o
9 ай бұрын
I wonder the master-servant dialectic would apply to AI. Excellent explenation!
@sebastjankrek1744
8 ай бұрын
I love this, you're actually understanding it right.
@EaZiE01
Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one who thought about these things. Just found this channel and its getting me back into overthinking.😄
@bernardopalmer8846
2 жыл бұрын
hegel is freaking awesome
@damonzex1017
2 жыл бұрын
An outstanding lucid elucidation on this great moment in the Phenomenology.
@astonesthrow
Жыл бұрын
You're bordering on redundancy. Watch it, buddy.
@ab-vf6ny
Жыл бұрын
Reading Hegel is like trying to drink the ocean through a straw... and then dying of dehydration. I'm qualified to say this because I've read the first 3 pages of PoS. And by read, I mean I listened to it on audible while doing dishes.
@keithpritchard1181
Жыл бұрын
(Self-)consciousness can exist in the absence of another more or less separate locus of consciousness, because any field of consciousness is disuniform and therefore to some extent heterogeneous respectively to itself, rendering the same person at once both subject and object to himself. This could be considered, in fact, the very basis of consciousness as such, and even the universal radix. So Hegel’s Herr/ Knecht dynamic is a bit simplistic, although it is good philosophising insofar as it kick-starts the thinking process in his students, which is the purpose of philosophy.
@charlie3k
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about what the master-servant dialectic meant and literally hoping your channel specifically had a video about it. It was the first one to show up after searching!
@Jay-kk3dv
Жыл бұрын
This is called cosmic irony, and makes for great drama, in the end it was the master who was the servant the entire time.
@schlockiest
Жыл бұрын
where have you been all my life!!! i've been searching for you for years. finally, i don't have to listen to another man explain things to me. it's been so stressful. on top of that your explanations are outstanding, loads better than most others i've listened to. i think i'm in love. this channel is my lifeline rn. thank you for your service!
@mahmoudgouda7972
Жыл бұрын
I think you missed an important part about how the master become the master, which is by not fearing to die, and vice versa for the slave.
@touchirongentlemen4818
Жыл бұрын
im not sure what you would apply this to? what usage does hegels ideas yield?
@logicking3765
Ай бұрын
Same here. A practical example will make this so much easier to understand.
@dryden0100
Жыл бұрын
This was a wonderful video. For me, there's an assumption that human behavior is inherently narcissistic, i.e. that there exists in all people a desire to elevate oneself over others as a form of true independence, or to be recognized by others as a form of validation of self. But this kind of Hegelian dichotomy doesn't touch on ideas from Eastern philosophy or religion which might suggest that humans at an individual level are capable of detaching themselves from narcissistic impulses. For example, why does the servant require validation from the master or from the state as proxy for the master? The servant might simply move to the woods by themselves and not care about anything, especially as they have achieved a level of self-awareness that the master has not. And then there's the issue of whether the "state" as proxy for the master might be a more harmful entity than the original master was.
@elevencyan
10 ай бұрын
I agree with you and I don't understand why the two consciousnesses have to fight to the death in the first place. It always felt to me like the origin of conflict between any living being is the desire to survive and gain power more than the desire to be recognized as a consciousness. I don't even understand how the desire to be recognized as conscious relates to the desire to be served by the other consciousness. I know it's just a summary of a very complicated book but things just don't seem to follow and that makes it hard to agree with the conclusions.
@christopherpett3264
7 ай бұрын
the servants can access a consciousness outside the sphere of the master and therefore become free of servitude. But this consciousness is beyond the state of this world made by man.
@ScribblebytesWorldwide
Жыл бұрын
Amazingly explained.
@johndavies7626
Жыл бұрын
This sounds so similar to what happens in relationships with someone who has a controlling, insecure and destructive personality. How can the master receive adulation that has real value from an object he has subjugated? Like shining a light only two steps ahead and not seeing the steps you're about to fall down.
@artemisXsidecross
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this audio/transcript/talk on Hegel I do wonder what Hegel would say today on the Master Servant Dialectic knowing our current knowledge of Wave-Particle Duality (light is both a wave or particle depending on an observer).
@operaguy1
2 жыл бұрын
Falls apart if The Two refrain from struggling until one begs for mercy. Instead, they assume each other are equal in worth and benevolence (unless proven otherwise in actions), thus allowing for voluntary trade, value for value.
@thomervin7450
Жыл бұрын
My personal interpretation is that the ego is threatened by contradictory information, leading to feeling threatened.
@TheQuadfail
3 ай бұрын
The problem is if one refrains they take the risk from the other as the other has equal influence as they do. This would be a failure if assuming equality and catastrophic for the one who refuses a struggle.
@sujitsharma2057
2 жыл бұрын
Lectures are excellent and explained in simple language. tHanks from india
@pepitolozano
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@DemetriosKongas
7 ай бұрын
It seems that Marx’s account of the master-servant dialectic was more nuanced and subtle. He differentiated between freeman (sic) and slave (in antiquity), feudal lord and serf (feudalism, middle and late Middle Ages) and capitalist and worker (capitalism, modern societies). The slave owner took all the produce or products of the slave and gave them enough for their subsistence. The slave belonged to the master and they could be bought and sold. The feudal lord took a surplus product from the serf or extra work on his manor. The serf was bound to the land but they owned their implements of labour. The worker is formally free and equal before the law but the capitalists extract and appropriate surplus value. So there is subjection and exploitation, and often oppression for the extraction of surplus. But there is also resistance and open conflict because of the antagonistic relations between them. This was called class struggle by Marx and was considered as the motor of history, while progress was based on the development of the productive forces (implying development of knowledge, skills, abilities, competences and technology). As far as the direct producers are concerned (slave, serf, worker), notice the progress made in their emancipation (culminating in classless communism). The idea of progress is very strong in Marxist theory, as it is in Hegel.
@mr.finley3588
2 күн бұрын
#Awesome
@cherrycolouredshades
2 жыл бұрын
just for the sake of debate but what if from the beginning the master's victory was getting rid of the duty of confroting a notion of self consciousness in the place of a manufactured dominance relationship, passing this burden, this inertia of accomodating and developing a self-consciousness to the servant? you know, just as in present days richer people although leading shallower lives and not having real creative or intellectual pursuits and really not being that aware of themselves, still seem to be happier overall than the people forced to give themselves a sense outside of the materialistic scale by which things are measured in the world. From this point of view it just seems as some are avoiding this burden and passing it to the others... what if as others said before, eventually consciousness is the curse?
@pikiwiki
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@onikn9138
6 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if you've come across an analysis of whether most power figures are somewhat damaged and/or disfunctional? Is humanity at the whim of mostly the narcissist so to speak? Looking forward to another of your vids. Thanks
@ManyThingsSeem
6 ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant, i can literally see the laborious (for me🤪) steps being taken as through ankle deep mud, by a man entering self awareness. It's also much like a great (though often childish... like Paul McCartney songs) song in that it seems simple once you've heard it, but try to write it.
@zxsw85
2 жыл бұрын
Love these
@christianheydenreich607
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation! But I think that Hegel doesn't speak about two different persons in this chapter. In the context and in the progression of his book in my eyes it is much more probable that he uses the master and the slave in a metaphorical way to explain the difference between the "two" consciousnesses which appear in the moment, when the consciousness becomes aware of itself. When "I" am aware of "myself" there two consciousnesses - one is subject, the other object, one is (like a) master, the other is (like a) slave - but at the same time they are identical. Probably there are several levels of understanding a paragraph in this book, but at this point the main issue of Hegel is not intersubjective (despite of the strong influence of the French interpretation). What do you think?
@Rico-Suave_
7 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 7:28
@mamamia6925
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your good explanation !Do you also have a video about Niklas Luhmann?
@jensonee
4 ай бұрын
so many philosophers, with ideas of how thing work. it's good to check some out but after a while it's just more opinions.
@LeeGee
Жыл бұрын
The master/servant dialectic is Hegel's lesser known, less stringent version of his more popular Master/Slave dialectic.
@Pickpocket999
Жыл бұрын
Just watched the Triangle of Sadness and thought it related to Hegel’s M/S dialectic.
@illiakailli
2 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing! true masters never reveal their role to servants, they don't need personal acknowledgements, as they reap results of their puppetry most likely in financial or resource acquisition dimension.
@els1f
Жыл бұрын
Damn. So THIS is why everything's so fucked up. All the people rich enough to be a philosopher was thinking everyone else saw the world like this 🤣
@rkmh9342
2 жыл бұрын
I had heard that Hegel claimed inspiration from the Kabahlah but I did not realize that his philosophy was almost a straight ripoff in key aspects. And Marx turning this dialectic on its head is far more fraught than I ever realized. I was always curious why so many capitalists understood Marx better than most of my academic colleagues and even explicitly claimed to use his understanding of capital accumulation. Now I know! Thank you for the illuminating discussion. Subscribed!
@paolasmith7059
Жыл бұрын
Which course are yours?
@rkmh9342
Жыл бұрын
@@paolasmith7059 I have been retired for 7 years now.
@2009Artteacher
Жыл бұрын
May i present what i feel is some relative dialect . In the art world the word masterpiece originally meant a apprentice worked on a piece of the master work . in fact there has been some instances where a painting was attributed to the master but later discovered it was done by his apprentice . Again literally speaking relative , my nephew recently approached my sister (his mother) and i about a clash of consciousness (ego) at work . During the dialogue he , the next day is going to approach their manager on the issue , adding he is going to say if this is not dealt with he will resign adding he will ,because the place will fall apart without me ! i silently recognized his words could have been right out of Hegel , but he has no idea about Hegel nor anything philosophical ,ironically he and his parents are far right wing and hate left wing thinkers ( especially Marx) . The complication here balances out though as his mother a MBA and holds a executive position in the tech industry ,owns the farm we live on ( i am a artist who has a studio on it ) . She has though outside of her hundred of zoom and conference calls managed the farm . But while having us and others workers to help she in fact is the work horse putting in all her extra time, nights ,weekends and holidays on her knees working . Twice as much as others . She is working towards her own ends ,her hands on skillful knowledge is both master and slave not as a binary (Derrida) nor Marx leftist usage of Hegel . Again my sister admittedly has no knowledge of Philosophy . Thanks in advance for reading!
@TheShanewalsh
2 жыл бұрын
Feminists theory would subsitute servant for 50% of the population. Hegel had his patriarchal system same as the enlightened slave owners who talked of freedom.
@christopherellis2663
7 ай бұрын
The servant becomes by doing, the master , a do nothing has been.
@adamsouza7140
Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@grantbeerling4396
Жыл бұрын
Thus the Black Death proves this fact as the servant can survive and the master is lost. Therefore new laws were passed by the masters (land owners) to stop servants travelling to different counties to gain a higher income due to the shortage of labour. Thus reinforcing the power of the creative and enlightened servant over the master, all the master have in effect, is violence, via previous entitlement until the servants realsies their collective power ie revolution or at post UK 1840 poor laws, suffrage and the rise of the working classes ( due to the fear of collective revolution, thus compromise to calm the class) until the 1970's including the triumph of the 1945-51 Labour administration were the roles were reversed and universalism in Welfare was in part paid for by highlet regressive taxation and inheritance tax in modern history (ie post 1067). This flipped back in 1979-80, thus the famous 1%.
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd
2 жыл бұрын
Absurd justifications for the exercise of asymmetrical power. Hegel rambles unfoundedly. Not knowing how self-consciousness develops is not a good basis for developing a theory of the relationship between consciousness.
@rappinron1384
Жыл бұрын
The only benefit gained from having a master is to quicken losing self importance.
@jiayun2120
6 ай бұрын
Reminds me of lacan’s mirror stage and Beauvoir’s second sex
@sonpollo8995
Жыл бұрын
Hegel def had a big influence on Lacan.
@GABRIELOMARTAPIAPALMA-in6bl
Жыл бұрын
bullying scenario as alternative to Hegel's master/slave dialectic
@shanpeter2422
Жыл бұрын
can you speak about the point anxiety in the master slave dialectic of Hegel ??????
@BlantonDelbert
Жыл бұрын
I was taught this as Nietzsche's Master-Slave Dialectic in Existentialism 201 in the Fall Semester of 1983 in Swain Hall room 011 at Indiana University, Bloomington. Are we no longer allowed to use the word, "Slave?" Also, is this really Hegel or Nietzsche?
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
Жыл бұрын
This comes from Hegel, not Nietzche. You might be thinking of Nietzsche's "slave morality" from The Genealogy of Morals? "Servant" or "bondsman" is a more accurate translate of Knecht in German--the word Hegel is using--than "slave." English translations use these words, not 'slave,' but 'master-slave dialectic' became a popular term in large part because Knecht was translated as 'esclave' (slave) into French, and 20th-century French philosophers were deeply influenced by this section of Hegel (thanks to Kojève).
@BlantonDelbert
Жыл бұрын
@@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Thanks for replying. Yes, it was Nietzsche's "The Genealogy of Morals." Master Morality/Slave Morality. Master stupid. Slaves become smart because Slaves must "work-around" Master. Hegel's Dialectic. Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis. Synthesis becomes new Thesis. Repeat.
@thomervin7450
Жыл бұрын
@@BlantonDelbert That sounds a little too detached. In reality, the masters are becoming wise to the troublemakers.
@aleks_rebisz
2 жыл бұрын
Do You really think that any of the two persons who were about to end each other lifes in a barbaric act of violence would allow the looser to be responsible for one of the most important parts of survival. It is such a naive notion. Rather, I can imagine the master locking the servant in a cage and be tortured and raped for fun. With the given "kill or be killed" premise this outcome makes more sense to me.
@kattatonic8010
2 жыл бұрын
Same- I don't agree with this notion at all. I get where he's coming from, but total dominance isn't about making someone a "labor-slave", but absolute dominance moreso...
@ZOGGYDOGGY
Жыл бұрын
Lordship and bondage, Sado masters have political power OVER the producers, the masochistic servants. The ruling class is dependent on the wealth producers. As Marx observed, Capital is a social relation, the point is to change it. "In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."
@alexwiththeglasses
Жыл бұрын
Really for the algorithm here… nothing interesting to add. 4:55 sounds a bit like the “servant” makes a performative statement about the “master” (another video from Dr. Anderson).
@josedavilatraavieso4327
Жыл бұрын
Opinion are opinions.
@wovada
7 ай бұрын
Неужели вы понимаете Гегеля? На сколько глубоко?
@wonderfacts7782
2 жыл бұрын
You are lovely, so as your lectures 😊 Take love
@minibuns5397
Жыл бұрын
Clicked on thumbnail image of a woman with plant hair, stayed for that cool philosophy vibe
@JP51ism
Жыл бұрын
IMHO ~ A perfect précis. Just don't call the Knecht ~ Knabe.
@MarkHadley206
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know to which edition of “The Phenomenology of Spirit“ the citations refer? 📚📕📖
@Thewonderingminds
Жыл бұрын
""👁👁"" And that until recently when the question arouse at __what is consciousness anyway__ ?
@hvindia
Жыл бұрын
Pl see Hegel in my series Psychoanalysis and Philosophy
@k7u7b7a7
Жыл бұрын
As for the recognition problem, isn't it suppose to be that the master doesn't care about being recognize by its worker but rather, by other masters, who they hang out with, and want to be friends with, and grew their position within this hierarchy? The elites care about their position within the elites, not about being recognized by the workers, as elite. They give themselves the titles on their own, and in between.
@thomervin7450
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I was thinking the same. You don't want recognition from someone less skilled than yourself; you want recognition from peers and superiors.
@fede2
Жыл бұрын
They do care. They wouldn't be elites without workers at the bottom.
@danjameson1572
2 жыл бұрын
isn't this the source of Kafka's anxiety in his fiction? o yeah
@lukang72
2 жыл бұрын
You can actually understand Christianity under this framework in a new way when you understand God the son came to serve humanity
@tofermichael3915
Жыл бұрын
The master can't have their cake and eat it too...
@MasterofPlay7
Жыл бұрын
plot twist, the servant is the master lol
@assemblyofsilence
Жыл бұрын
One might be tempted to say that the teleos of techne is the hubristic vision of overthrowing the servant forever so that the master might enjoy his position without fear. Of course then the machine becomes the master - and in the day of AI ascendency this is by definition a master whose processes no human can understand…
@nikolasko3769
2 жыл бұрын
what is your target group ?
@MystifulHD
Жыл бұрын
Hegel, The greatest of all time
@guapelea
2 жыл бұрын
Also animals fight for the supremacy to determine which one has the dominion and which one is subdued, which one gets to pass on their genes and which one doesn't. Hegel's idea that this conflict is of two different consciousness seems to me a little off-the hinge.
@lenny108
Жыл бұрын
Right, Hegel believed that one's basic right was to be a person and respect others as persons. But what is the philosophy of killing animals? Humans eat, animals eat. Humans sleep, animals sleep. Humans have sex, animals have sex. Humans defend themselves, animals defend themselves. So why animals are not treated as persons?
@siddhartacrowley8759
Жыл бұрын
Is eating, sleeping, sex and defending all a human does?
@TheJumpingjim
Жыл бұрын
Mabye where the "dignity of honest labour" originates?
@jonasbaes3914
2 жыл бұрын
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@PirateRadioPodcasts
5 ай бұрын
N.B. Pretty sure it's "Master / SLAVE" dialectic. Servant is a far too weak translation.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
5 ай бұрын
This is false. It's Knecht in German, and many scholars have emphasized that "servant" or "bondsman" is a more accurate translation than "slave" for this term (which was how the original Miller translation of the Phenomenology translated it). We follow Pinkard's Cambridge translation on this point.
@surajsood1258
2 жыл бұрын
So...the servant "masters" nature for life enabled by their master's mercy. The master tries, yet fails, to gain recognition of their consciousness via this dialectic. In the case of a traditional theistic monarchy--where the state mediates between the people (servant-group) and God--is it God who would have (been believed to) grant the master the recognition they failed to receive from their servant? Or would this lead to an infinite chain of servant-master dialectics, which would possibly be problematic for a philosopher concerned about a regress?
@user-qk1yi5ke4v
5 ай бұрын
simplistic reductionist perhaps. Hegel like bible. Leave atavistic being focus on essence. The battle happens if there is only one field of action of play...and 1 way of being a master...some master may overreach and try to be totalizing...it breaks down. when you say no at an optimal moment...and either the master remains a master by moving back to a field of dominance...or risk losing existence within a new field a master is born and he can choose to deal or not deal with the old master. THE NEW IS ALWAY BEING BORN...
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