LOL at the first battle. All the Tylis player had to do was: 1. Select his melee units. 2. Assign everyone a target. 3. Launch the tardrush. 4. Eat dinner and return to click "OK" on the victory screen.
@HistoricalWeapons
Жыл бұрын
No cuz the cimmerians can just kite and wait till timer run out
@maximusnorvegicus
9 жыл бұрын
Totally agree on the Picked Peltasts being mid-tier melee infantry. that would work very well for bith Pergamon and Cimmeria. thy also need Steppe Armoured Lancers. Cimmeria can be nice on cold maps due to the resistance to it on the steppe units. I've used them twice in tournaments to good effect, but against someone who knows their weakness they are next to useless.
@louischo2701
9 жыл бұрын
It'd be cool to have the steppe noble lancers, though maybe with an increased price or nerf.
@marcus3457
9 жыл бұрын
Maximus, do you know of any mods that would bolster the Picked Peltasts as you and Heir just described?
@The_Iowegian
9 жыл бұрын
Louis Cho Why? Steppe Noble lancers would still only make them decent. They will never be OP.
@maximusnorvegicus
9 жыл бұрын
Marcus Christopher I do not, unfortunately. It would be super simple to make, as many of the much needed changes to the game would be.. CA PLZ. Mods are great, but a hassle for multiplayer and with patches.
@omgOWNT69
9 жыл бұрын
what they really need is steppe Levy freeman
@hermanPla
9 жыл бұрын
Rage quiters and counter pickers are the absolute worst... they really ruin the game. Don't understand why you can be so calm against this cowardly act of your oponent
@Heldenjaeger
9 жыл бұрын
hermanPla I'd rather face a rage quitter than being counter picked with Lusitani and Ardiaei all the time.
@hermanPla
9 жыл бұрын
Heldenjaeger I would rather face a counter picker because they make it interesting. because facing a rage quitter will always bring you the same result.
@Heldenjaeger
9 жыл бұрын
hermanPla Nah, I don't think Lusitani vs Armenia / Parthia is interesting...
@hermanPla
9 жыл бұрын
Heldenjaeger Get 6 baleric slingers with alot of spears (anti charge and anti cav support) and 3 lusitani(these are worth two of every typ of parthia/armenia inf) nobles with a few cheap cav (for counter charging enemy cav who are a threat to your slingers) and try to keep you slingers alive and the enemy will get a hard time winning... With the ardiaei you will need to spam out there nobles with a supporting backline of spears for cav charges and the nobles will kill the enemy inf in a very long grinded out fight Siriouly go try
@Heldenjaeger
9 жыл бұрын
hermanPla Thanks for your ideas! The point is I know what to do against these factions but it's impossible to prepare for counter pickers. Counter picking in my mind is when the opponent picks a faction, hit's start to get the timer going, waits till the timer is done and picks a saved build with a different faction in the last 3-5 seconds to counter your choice. No time to react, no time to prepare.
@V8Murder
9 жыл бұрын
You should try that first build again sometime
@Stoakey
9 жыл бұрын
That army was crazy, but so crazy it JUST MIGHT WORK!
@MrMMariotti
9 жыл бұрын
Best thing about Cimmeria is the fear factor, not so much on the unit per se but it will cause human player to route an concede defeat
@taddenhunter4010
9 жыл бұрын
Hey Heir, I've been watching your videos for awhile now, across multiple total wars and I just wanna say thanks for keeping on with these man! The way you explain things, from your campaign videos to your faction focus and multiplayer battles, have helped me become a much better player at this game. You have a way of explaining things that is very clear cut, and logical. But believe me if we meet in battle I will throw every dirty trick I know at your face. Haha keep it up dude.
@adamenglish1873
9 жыл бұрын
Dang I wanted to see the first engagement too! Heir I think you have the right ethic regarding PVP. Anywho good pivot to these faction focus vids with a PVP at the end. Thank you
@AirSnipers96
9 жыл бұрын
I thought that first build was very fun. I'd love to see you try it again.
@AJHollywood57
9 жыл бұрын
Hey Heir thanks for the videos. Huge fan. I was wondering if maybe you could do an online battle showing how to use an army with Pikes such as Epirus. Thanks a lot. Can't wait for more videos.
@NapoleonBonaparteMAGA
9 жыл бұрын
Gosh that first battle would have been awesome to see.
@andrewwhitworth5730
9 жыл бұрын
Hey great vid I was wondering if we could see some Pontus soon imo they're. A great faction
@christiankapp113
5 жыл бұрын
People leave because some people (myself included) dislike getting shot at. It's wierd because Its definitely irrational,but it seems like a common problem faced by skirmish heavy factions, some just find it annoying to fight an army where they are constantly getting whittled away without being able to do anything about it. Definitely not right to leave a match though. Agree with you 100% on that one, anyway great video and keep it up!
@DjangokillHMG
9 жыл бұрын
Those Steppe Spearmen have a 30 bonus vs large. It's just so hard to get them into combat to make use of it.
@Pinkerton000
9 жыл бұрын
One thing to add. Young Axes and Steppe Spearmen are interesting in that they have SUPER high melee defense for their price. They blow comparable units out of the water in melee defense. As a result, they hold out for a long time considering their price, making them very effective speed bumps.
@Pinkerton000
9 жыл бұрын
Levy Freemen have slightly higher melee defense, but they also cost more. And you can route Levy Freemen the same way.
@Pinkerton000
9 жыл бұрын
My point was that Steppe Spearmen have way higher melee defense than Eastern Spearmen, who have the same price. And Young Axes have significantly higher melee defense than Hillmen, which are 40 talents more expensive.
@Randomdude400
9 жыл бұрын
Pinkerton00 I think that Parthian Hillmen have javelins, so no contest their which is the better unit.
@Pinkerton000
9 жыл бұрын
Randomdude400 The point was that Young Axes make a better, cheaper throwaway melee infantry. If your goal is to have javelins, that's different, but it's not always the goal. And sword units with 40 range on the javs aren't super useful because they're easy to take out with cav. It's ok with Iberian Swords because they have 80 range. Using Hillmen for javs isn't really that great of an idea.
@rush4in
9 жыл бұрын
People dislike it when you play in an alien to them way. Like when you bring a skirmish build with Arverni/Boii/Any Other Powerhouse in a tournament. ^^
@bignateminecraft
9 жыл бұрын
Hey heir I am going to use either a Rome 1 or a Rome 2 battle for my history project on the battle of Cannae. Which game would be better for the job? I enjoy the graphics in Rome 2, but I am concerned for battle realism do to the warscape engine.
@happykillmore4176
9 жыл бұрын
can someone please tell me how I am able to know if a unit comes with javelins or not? Is it something I just have to test out in battle or is there a way to tell while im in the selection screen?
@aahmed2426
8 жыл бұрын
please show us every unit ..I want to know everything about artillery..I know you don't like them but I do which factions have scorpions and catapults then to use them..big fan
@Lonewanderer6666
9 жыл бұрын
Newbie question: Why is wedge/diamond formation bad again?
@zolofttube4840
9 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, if a person disconnects, what does it show?
@Strype13
4 жыл бұрын
Why is there no indicator to tell you which melee units have throwing javelins/pilums? I'm getting a bit sick of going into battle and realizing none of my infantry can throw javelins while my opponent's entire army can... and the battle is essentially over before it started merely because I can't tell what abilities my own units can or cannot use. A very simple solution would be to give melee infantry with javelins a simple "ammunition" stat, or a little pilum icon... something along those lines.
@davidquezada50
3 жыл бұрын
I expected cimmeria to have mid tear axe melee from scythia and late game roman units since they were last greek city during buns era and spartacus I think his name...
@dylanwhitaker8937
9 жыл бұрын
Shitzen cav makes an appearance!
@jackharris9
2 жыл бұрын
I’m just coming into contact with these guys as Bactria wanna know what I’m up against ✌️
@vistaredgt
9 жыл бұрын
I try not to get mad when my opponent 'quits' b/c I don't know the circumstances as to why. I was playing one time and lost power to the house. Turns out some idiot hit a power pole just up the street.
@christianh4723
4 жыл бұрын
Man... that first opponent lost his honor card, only exception being if he lost his connection or something.
@R3GARnator
9 жыл бұрын
Hey, classical era armies didn't want to fight nomads either. That is why they extracted tribute from Eastern Rome and sacked Western Rome.
@daSKAn
9 жыл бұрын
What I hate with quitters is that you wasted a lot of time, just for them to quit in few seconds. You waited to get matched, you wait in army selection, you wait in deployment and then for someone just shows of your bad manners. I can believe sometimes, something unexpected comes up and you have to leave, but still be nice and drop a line in chat. How hard is it to say:" Sorry, I have to run." Real bad manners to waste someones time.
@marcusgodioso277
8 жыл бұрын
just dont bring a skirmish army lol
@Heldenjaeger
9 жыл бұрын
Every time you see cav in diamonds, you know you'll win. Almost. ;)
@eloforfree
9 жыл бұрын
why do you have 2 times cimmeria faction focus?
@datnamedoe1624
9 жыл бұрын
How does it feel to know that half of all the deaths in that first battle was from your friendly fire?
@MasouShizuka
9 жыл бұрын
Most people would dislike such players. But heir enjoys being abit pressured I assume.
@handeisthemande12
9 жыл бұрын
I'm still trying to figure out what that nickname for the Citizen Cavalry Is. o.0
@HolydiveR270
9 жыл бұрын
Shitizen Cav
@hellmes1826
9 жыл бұрын
shitezen
@handeisthemande12
9 жыл бұрын
Priceless
@Speederzzz
9 жыл бұрын
Where can i find the "alternative" name for citizen cav?
@maximusnorvegicus
9 жыл бұрын
Shitizen.
@HeirofCarthage
9 жыл бұрын
Maximus Decimus Meridius ;) indeed
@Speederzzz
9 жыл бұрын
i guessed it was something like that.
@Laxbro1092
9 жыл бұрын
Why did heir rave about steppe archer spear, but said it was useless for elite Persian archers?
@crazychameleon123
9 жыл бұрын
Elite persians have basically no armour
@rileylewis2853
9 жыл бұрын
I love it when people rage quit. Not only do you win the game, but you get under their skin and get that personal victory too!
@jimcastor8601
9 жыл бұрын
those damn dogs
@cruiseaddict
9 жыл бұрын
What dlc do you use
@Dumdumdoogie
9 жыл бұрын
Might be a stupid question but are light cavalry usefull for anything besides chasing down skirmishers/routing enemies?
@dwr4005
9 жыл бұрын
That is there main use but they can be effective in cav fights that have already started
@adamrohrer1175
9 жыл бұрын
They are very fast and cheap so they are great at intercepting elite shock cav. So if a shock cav is trying to attack your powerful melee cav you can pull it back and charge your light cav into the shock cav. The shock cav wont get a good charge on it because its targeting the other cav unit, at this point you can turn your more powerful melee cav around and throw it into the fight. Another great use is to put them behind your main inf line, and if your enemy is using elite barbarian inf, like oathsworn, you can charge the light cav into it then pull it right back and send in your own inf so the oathsworn doesn't get a charge bonus.
@danielkneale1888
9 жыл бұрын
If they are equipped with spears they can be useful against other cav, even heavier cav, they won't win but hold up the charge then you can support with something like levy freemen and take down expensive cav with a pair of very cheap units.
@AssimilateSOG
9 жыл бұрын
why dont u host multiplayer battles instead of playing quick battles?
@tomszafran7882
9 жыл бұрын
Whenever I try to join a multiplayer battle it says my version of the game is different from the hosts' version, but I have bought all the DLC unit packs. I can't join quick battles either! If anyone can tell me why this is happening/how to fix it, it would be very much appreciated!!!
@semperfi711able
9 жыл бұрын
If you have any game changing mods running that is the reason.
@tomszafran7882
9 жыл бұрын
Does that include the Rome 1 music and the 4 turns per year mod? Because those are the only ones I use
@Topo-Grigio1312
9 жыл бұрын
shaff man I think you can only play with people that have the same mods as you.
@CrayonsYummyYummy
9 жыл бұрын
shaff man yeah turn them off when you want to play multiplayer
@Strype13
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that last opponent was awfully... blobby.
@RubenGuerriereremax
9 жыл бұрын
please Heir's Faction Focus : Carthage!!!!! is my favority
@hamitf2
9 жыл бұрын
By the way, Noble HA for the Nomads and Cimmeria are different than Parthia/Armenia Noble HA.
@hamitf2
9 жыл бұрын
Nevermind, was mentioned.
@aizaz1234
9 жыл бұрын
I find levy freeman rather odd. On one hand they have a huge bonus against cav and can serve a specialized purpose on other hand they will get kill by anything in a melee fight.
@HeirofAtholl
9 жыл бұрын
I have had some intersting results with levy freeman though, in some battles not only have they wiped out elite cav units (e.g. aspis companion), they then proceeded to join the main battle line and were successful in their engagements. Often they finish the battle with 90 to 100 men in the unit and around 80 kills on either mid tier cav or mid tier inf.
@CrayonsYummyYummy
9 жыл бұрын
yeah but losing them is no big deal, they're cheap as chips
@HeirofAtholl
9 жыл бұрын
That's what's so amazing amazing about them
@aizaz1234
9 жыл бұрын
Fergus McLaren Yea the 25 bonus vs large makes them rather useful if used to block cav. And the cheap cost is very nice too.
@Strype13
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, man. You're right. That was terrible etiquette. I was really looking forward to seeing how that turned out.
@el0senor0wino0
8 жыл бұрын
At about 4:05, I thought you were gonna start crying or something. heh heh.
@erfgtdsfsdf6993
8 жыл бұрын
it seems to me that he was trying to hold in a sneeze
@Ettan1112
9 жыл бұрын
You are the best total war player
@maximusnorvegicus
9 жыл бұрын
It's PoM dude
@rachidbarendregt
9 жыл бұрын
Maximus Decimus Meridius I agree that HoC isnt the best but Heir did win against PoM in rome 2.
@isaacsorrels4077
9 жыл бұрын
Maximus Decimus Meridius I can literally smell the sarcasm.
@maximusnorvegicus
9 жыл бұрын
I kid. I like them both. I just find the " my youtuber is better than your youtuber" funny.
@meratrix9967
9 жыл бұрын
Maximus Decimus Meridius Nah, LoTW, by far. POM and HEIR are really good, but Legend is just on another level than any of the other total war youtubers.
@chikifco
9 жыл бұрын
for pergamon, the picked peltast are absolutely useless
@SuperCompany007
9 жыл бұрын
You skipped Carthage AGAIN!??!??!
@najkraemer3117
8 жыл бұрын
isnt Cimmeria said like: Simmeria? and not Kimmeria.....?
@micahqgecko
7 жыл бұрын
It is Kimmeria.
@patrickcharzin3062
9 жыл бұрын
It seems like the past week has been BM week for rome 2. I've been running into leavers, trash talkers, and artillery+pikeboxers all damn week.
@danreed88
9 жыл бұрын
It is shameful tho its against the gamer code :(
@joshuawear8057
9 жыл бұрын
Parents dont understand the concept of good aethicut (i will have to google that later to know the real spelling)
@LucasDimoveo
9 жыл бұрын
There was no way he was going to win that fight if you were patient.
@zolofttube4840
9 жыл бұрын
Too bad, that first battle would have been so terribly interesting to watch.
@MrManultra
9 жыл бұрын
I understand the guy who left altough it is not very polite. He could only expect a long game in which he would get shredded by missiles and that's about it. No way to use infantry and cav would have died soon. Now: what is this citizen cav name ? :D
@GirlyKat9001
9 жыл бұрын
Shitizen cav
@MrManultra
9 жыл бұрын
great :D
@HeirofCarthage
9 жыл бұрын
That is the thing for me though...maybe some people don't like infantry engagements...so should they quit because it isn't fun for them or they don't want to deal with it? I think if people join a quick battle they need to finish it unless there is a more legit reason other than they didnt want to deal with it. Again though it is a game. They can do as they please. Just frustrating for me because lots of people quit when I play total war and Halo and in the end it works great for them but it is inconsiderate. Not some sort of crime...just annoying for me :)
@The_Iowegian
9 жыл бұрын
That skirmish build would have worked easily, if you had microed it well, and seeing as I have fought you before I will ell you, you could have! :)
@DetoWolf
9 жыл бұрын
New video please ! !
@89tonstar
9 жыл бұрын
Heir your to nice to people, I have had this game now for almost 200 hours and I have only had maybe 4 or 5 really fun games. Most of the games available are by idiots who set up the game so they can win, they do the whole, no Royla pelt, no evacadi spam, or no whatever unit they don't like. And then choose a map so they can start out somewhere with pikemen and then box around a hill and he forced me to bring no more then 2 skirmishers. I stopped playing multi player at night since this seems to be the time when I get the most idiots, I am in mountain standard time.
@JeffJuggernaut
9 жыл бұрын
To those people who try to dictate what the rules are usually just go "SURE!" and then bring whatever the hell I want because I am not going to conform my strategy to their preferences. People like that are useless and should learn to play the game than lean on fake "rules".
@grahamthomas1340
9 жыл бұрын
Who do people think they are limiting a game your bought to their prefences.
@grahamthomas1340
9 жыл бұрын
ste jolly ive never played a multiplayer battle with rules xD
@zeus0710
8 жыл бұрын
whats your steam account username so i can add you
@MrMinger
9 жыл бұрын
damn dood
@louiethepitt
9 жыл бұрын
well people quitting in a sure lost game has happen since online multilayer games begun.
@alexenter1162
9 жыл бұрын
rage quitting is pretty annoying - we've all witnessed it and sadly its pretty normal in the video gaming world
@nartlambaz
7 жыл бұрын
everytime I go for a skirmish army , I get bad words and curses from other players . I dont know why they hate skirmish armies . Its part of the game and there are no rules against that . They will at you with spear and pike spams ,then noob box and get upset if you shot em up . Frustrating if you ask me
@TheZohw
9 жыл бұрын
Lol there is no point in quitting.
@TheXDevilXBoss
9 жыл бұрын
استمرا
@Ares14
5 жыл бұрын
Skirmish armies are the most irritating armies to play against is why i think other players quit.
@yambarudan
9 жыл бұрын
Heir, you're more a gentleman than most of us would be in similar situations. At best, your opponents were (to borrow a phrase from our British friends) "Wankers".
@jamreal18
9 жыл бұрын
Cimmeria is Bosporus. Their cavalry department is weak! Sarmatian Cavalry is a must!
@thehajduk6451
9 жыл бұрын
The second player could've actualy won I think..
@89tonstar
9 жыл бұрын
no....
@MrPsilva95
9 жыл бұрын
Not that I agree with that rage quit, I even think the guy had a good enough army to maybe pull it off. But NOONE likes to be picked apart in the battle. Nobody likes to give away soo much map control and general move because their oponents army is skirmish/cav heavy. Playing against someone kiting you to death is probably one of the worse feelingsin the game. Even if you win the match is still annoying. Even if you opponent has a better army, noone likes to be in such position. Im not saying thats easy to surround the enemy and use skirmishers effectively, it requires great micro. im just saying its not fun to be on the reciving end. And I also really dislike when this kind of things happen, you picked the weaker faction just make some use out of them. Your oponent even checks their roster and brings a power faction. Not cool.
@The_Iowegian
9 жыл бұрын
Well Heir would have pwned there, if he microed well, which he can despite what he seems to think. No matter how much cav the opponent sent in at least 2 units would die before even getting a charge, and only kill 1-2 skirms, while losing all mobility. That army was an easy win versus Tylis.
@MrPsilva95
9 жыл бұрын
Desertfox I did say his army was better for that scenario. but tyllis totaly could make good work of it, of course counting on heirs mistakes. but it happens a lot when you have soo many skirmsihers like that army.
@The_Iowegian
9 жыл бұрын
MrPsilva95 If Heir used, de-bug GG WP NO RE
@MrPsilva95
9 жыл бұрын
Desertfox ?
@The_Iowegian
9 жыл бұрын
De-bug camera mate :P
@TF2Cascade
9 жыл бұрын
guess u just cant play with cimmeria
@LegionaryCohort480
9 жыл бұрын
First off, just to get this out of the way, I don't play online battles. To shed a bit of light on the other side of this debate (by putting myself into their minds): I see two reasons why somebody would quit before the battle ends. The first one is that they see that they'll loose and there's nothing they can do to turn the battle to their favour again, so why waste time fighting a lost cause? Concede defeat, on to the next battle (using the Concede Defeat button exactly the way it was designed). The second reason would be that they see an army they don't want to face off against, e.g. a skirmish-heavy army, and they quit because they don't want to waste their time fighting a battle they know they won't enjoy. After all, all of us play the game because we like playing it. Personally I don't think it's bad etiquette to quit a battle, it's just saving time. Simple fact is, people play the game because they want to have fun and if somebody brings an army against them that they won't enjoy fighting against, why bother sticking around? In the end they've avoided an unenjoyable experience at the cost of you being annoyed (but not having lost much time) as opposed to you having fun and them loosing an entire battle worth of time. Personally I think the first option is preferable...
@TimzterWithOthers
9 жыл бұрын
I guess so, but I think the fun thing about multiplayer is that it's actually a challenge. If you wanted to play a certain way, you could just go into a custom battle and fight against the AI with a specific build. Multiplayer gives the unknown, and puts forth a challenge for one to defeat that unknown.
@LegionaryCohort480
9 жыл бұрын
TimzterWithOthers True, and if i were to start multiplayer that would be the reason why. However, we are not the kind of people that would rage-quit, so that's really not saying anything. The people that do rage-quit willl probably disagree about multiplayer being about getting a challenge out of other players builds, they'll want a challenge (if any) out of the other player using a conventinal build better than the AI ever can.
@MasopustLP
9 жыл бұрын
well... he is a jerk
@Graceclaw
8 жыл бұрын
+Masopust He being......?
@aizaz1234
9 жыл бұрын
Why do you like carthage so much? I don't see whats so special about them.
@louischo2701
9 жыл бұрын
A: Carthage is a pretty diverse faction, with lots of mercenaries, elephants, shock cavalry, and so on. B: He's called Heir of Carthage. :P
@Randomdude400
9 жыл бұрын
Louis Cho The only shock cav Carthage has, is noble cav which sucks
@louischo2701
9 жыл бұрын
Randomdude400 I said shock cavalry, not good shock cavalry.
@euanferguson3790
3 жыл бұрын
Hate players like your opponent 😒 waited to pick a stronger army, then noob boxed the even quit 😂😂 name and shame him. It’s deserved by this point 🙃
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