*for all of those asking:* no, the fencer cant use the hema equipment because of STR requeriments, they max DEX and can only wear light
@mr.coolio4321
2 жыл бұрын
Just remember that HEMA gear scales with FTH whilst fencing gear scales with INT
@lanfan9765
2 жыл бұрын
As a soulsborne-like fan, I like this comment
@moXnoX1
2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@shadowshibe5962
2 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@jarrarwinks8470
2 жыл бұрын
Just level adp and abuse s.
@adriangunn
7 жыл бұрын
That fencer has some balls given his lack of hand protection against a steel feder. Seems a bit risky.
@ZegohsOfZegCrew
6 жыл бұрын
It seems risky because you're thinking it's like holding a longsword without a guard that covers the hand. The bell guard on epees are pretty wide, and one would have to thrust around it. I've tried, I know. It's not that easy.
@ups350
6 жыл бұрын
We (fencers) are used to it, its a natural reaction to apart the hand during the combat, in 7 years dont remember a single hit in my hand.
@immort4730
6 жыл бұрын
He has a glove tho
@SwordTune
6 жыл бұрын
+Immort47 That glove is not padded enough to guard against a feder. Fortunately, and what some people don't get, is that the bell guard of the epee covers the vulnerable bones of the hand. If the longsword managed to hit the hand, it is very likely, almost guaranteed, to strike a meatier part. The only reason epee fencers can even hit the fingers is due to the size of the blade and the light weight that grants more control.
@immort4730
6 жыл бұрын
SwordTune Mb, I thought he was talking about like the wrist. I've fenced saber once or twice and I know how much it hurts when you don't keep your back hand's fingers out of the way.
@Kumofan
5 жыл бұрын
They should have swapped protective equipment...
@theperson8275
3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious. Explain. If you can after a year's time :)
@Kumofan
3 жыл бұрын
@@theperson8275 at the time, I believed the fencer was wearing the protective equipment for fencing, which consists of little to no padding because they need no padding, whereas the hema practitioner is wearing full hema gear, which is unnecessary vs a sport fencing blade. Upon further viewing it seems that the sport fencer is simply wearing a hema jacket. But his mask and hand protection (and probably his groin protection lol) are insufficient, as is the lack of hard elbow protection. For the sport fencer, it is dangerous. The lack of protection vs a feder could result in broken bones. For the hema guy, all it is doing is slowing him down, a large disadvantage when your opponent's blade is already far faster. If they swapped protective equipment, the fencer would be safer and the hema practitioner would be faster and more maneuverable. I'd argue now, however, that they should both be wearing full hema gear to make it more even in terms of how the equipment affects their movement.
@Kumofan
3 жыл бұрын
To add to this, I can see several times in the video where the feder almost hits the sport fencer's off hand. If this were to happen, with no protection, I can only assume he'd have broken fingers at the very least.
@theperson8275
3 жыл бұрын
@@Kumofan I understand, you're looking at what's more protectively sound for who you would assume, (and maybe see proof) is the more vulnerable guy, the fencer may not be so able enough to avoid harmful hits on him, and this assumption of a lack of that skill is nearly proved when his hand is almost hit bad, I doubt it was a lure! Hahah. I would also say; Look to the video to see if the Feder-man had any issue caused to him by his lack of maneuverability, or if he seemed to have dealt with it fine. Or if he was significantly winded during the length of that bout. Then you could prove that there was an inefficiency in that protective gear on the Feder-man's side.
@Kumofan
3 жыл бұрын
@@theperson8275 I've seen people who are undoubtedly very good get major injuries due to lack of protective equipment, especially on their hands.
@juliosunga3530
6 жыл бұрын
should't the fencer be the one wearing the hema protective gear?
@freedom1856
4 жыл бұрын
Levi Fontaine only in the hands of untrained people. How do you think masters trained back in the old days? Not just wooden sticks.
@bobu5213
4 жыл бұрын
I was screaming every time he got close to his wrist
@disastideas5209
4 жыл бұрын
@@freedom1856 wait the masters would literally also train with wooden sticks
@GonzoTehGreat
4 жыл бұрын
@@freedom1856 These aren't fencing masters! Regardless, HEMA isn't intended to be training for actual combat, because we no longer need to learn to use these weapons for everyday self-defence, as was the case in centuries past, which justified such risky training. Nowadays, SAFETY should be the priority to avoid unnecessary injuries.
@_DiJiT
3 жыл бұрын
@@freedom1856 Swordmasters frequently broke fingers, due to unpredictability. There are at least medieval 3 manuscripts of which I'm familiar which talk about finger injuries, how to avoid them, moves that target the fingers, etc... If you've ever hit any significant level of leadership in any martial art, and you haven't had at least one of your students successfully get a solid hit on you, then you're not teaching your students properly lol
@vosslergardia3179
6 жыл бұрын
There's a point wherein the differing disciplines become less of a factor than the weapons in use. Don't get me wrong, I am HEMA practitioner through and through but that fencer was at a massive disadvantage with that weapon. Give him a rapier with a bit more mass and length to it and maybe the fight would have been a bit more even.
@nuclearmonster6601
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, as a fencer I would not want to go into combat against anyone with an epee, even if I had sharpened the point I would have to grab it by the blade and use the bell guard as a hammer rather than trying to poke at someone with a epee
@artreus7138
3 жыл бұрын
You do know that the épée is the longest weapon in fencing right? A rapier is shorter than the épée
@wbwam7710
3 жыл бұрын
@@artreus7138 rapiers are longer
@artreus7138
3 жыл бұрын
@@wbwam7710 dude they aren't
@artreus7138
3 жыл бұрын
@@wbwam7710 and it's not a rapier it's called a foil
@moxigen
6 жыл бұрын
"taking of a blood sample" vs "full amputation"
@shaggnar2014
6 жыл бұрын
Small swords were developed because people figured out that you only need to have about a 1" stab wound for a person to go into shock and die. But I'm sure you know so much
@kylehansen1794
6 жыл бұрын
@Tiberius Hrafn-Úlfur Still a full amputation unless your 1" stab wound kills them instantly. To put this in perspective, you can shoot a deer fatally with a bow and still chase it across an entire state and until it stops pumping adrenaline it will keep going.
@thesecretlibrary890
6 жыл бұрын
Tiberius Hrafn-Úlfur Smallswords were actually in fact definitely developed for city combat for duelists to comfortably fight in the allies because their rapiers had extensively long length. Realistically picture yourself in an alley at close quarters with an opponent... as you circle around you find that you can't fence since your point overextends your enemy and either you can't block, parry and "bend" the other sword due to your blade being adjusted to bas length positions for that or due to your blade locked inside a brick. Either way you are dead. Rapiers were actually in fact innovately developed for that reason alone but their guard isn't conventionally constructed for cuts, slashes and longsword thrusts for it to parry.
@RoadHater
6 жыл бұрын
Even small swords are much thicker than modern fencing tools. Small swords can actually stab. Modern fencing tools would most likely just poke you if they were sharp.
@tristunalekzander5608
5 жыл бұрын
+Tiberius A 1" inch stab is easily survivable in most locations on the body. For many, they have at least an inch of muscle and fat protecting their vital organs anyway. And if a tiny poke is enough to down someone, then why wouldn't a foot long, 2-inch deep gash to the neck be more effective?
@frothbyte
8 жыл бұрын
That was pretty interesting. The olympic fencer had very fast footwork. HEMA fighter definitely had the more powerful weapon.
@dogestranding5047
8 жыл бұрын
The thrusting weapons became extremely popular in Europe due to how effective they were. Stabs are definitely way better in a fight.
@RockerMarcee96
7 жыл бұрын
Stabs lack stopping power, thrusts are very risky compared to cuts. In HEMA we never thrust without covering the lines because there is nothing stopping the opponent of cutting your head off or poking a hole in you just as you did if you don't work thrusts from the bind.
@odrakhir8033
7 жыл бұрын
True. But thrusts are also usually more lethal than cuts. So I guess both have its pros and cons.
@RockerMarcee96
7 жыл бұрын
War Child Yes even with modern medicine thrusts are about 3/4 as deadly as gunshot wounds. Which is pretty freaking high. While cuts rarely kill in modern day if it's not something like removing both legs at once.
@Duchess_Van_Hoof
7 жыл бұрын
There is also the issue of the opponent stepping of the line and avoiding your thrust. Something which is forbidden in olympic fencing, alongside cutting and a whole bunch of other things.
@Fredfredbug4
5 жыл бұрын
Cool video, but people should stop treating it as a definitive comparison. You are watching two fighting styles and weapons from very different (centuries apart even!) periods of history. A late 18th century fencer would have never encountered a 14th-15th century knight. The quick and light attacks come from an era where armor has disappeared, and the sword was a dueling weapon where first blood was a sufficient condition for victory, rather than killing or maiming the opponent. This matchup tells you about the two styles as much as a shooting competition between a 18th century marksman and a modern special forces operator would. It’s just impossible to fairly compare the two, since their skills have been refined for completely different purposes. A better comparison would be a historical rapier/smallsword fencer vs a sport fencer, as they share a more similar tradition and purpose.
@redthered3242
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing this up
@VestedUTuber
4 жыл бұрын
It does also compare the mindset due to the difference in the goal of each particular style. The modern-style fencer is more willing to just kinda lunge in and jab _because_ the goal is simply to draw first blood/score a touch/whatever. The HEMA fighter, on the other hand, was more strategic with his attacks since he had to make sure they were forceful enough to count.
@TheWabbitSeason
4 жыл бұрын
The longsword was also a dueling weapon, not a battlefield weapon. No shield and no polearm (spear, lance, etc) is a quick way to die. Many longsword masters studied in HEMA made their fortunes training noblemen to fight in duels.
@anzaeria
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWabbitSeason There were German speaking mercenaries who used longswords (notably the Zweihander) in battle as well as other weapons as well. Interesting to know that longswords were used in duelling as well.
@TheWabbitSeason
3 жыл бұрын
@@anzaeria The Zweihander is not the same thing as the German/Italian longsword. The Zweihander/Spadone/Claymore were longer and heavier. They were also used in batttle as anti-cavalry weapons (similar to polearms). They are not a good weapon for 1v1 dueling.
@imnotherenow200
6 жыл бұрын
I really like the footwork of the olympic fencer. He's really able to get where he wants to be seemingly effortlessly. Idk if that's just part of olympic fencing or just that guy's style. Either way I see why Bruce based his footwork off it.
@qwormuli77
6 жыл бұрын
Remember, that these are two completely different sports, and there is only one weapon in the ring. The epee fencer has some great footwork and reflexes!
@gipsymelody1268
5 ай бұрын
it is provded again why hema fake... non of hema in the fencing olympics... but litereally a regular fencer have better reflexes, foot job, and technique than a hema ! :S
@ultimatecrusader9907
4 ай бұрын
@@gipsymelody1268huh? You assume that because of this video? That’s ignorance and delusion.
@gipsymelody1268
4 ай бұрын
@@ultimatecrusader9907 not just this but many others! Why there is no hema in fencer championship? They could easily win a lot of money! 😋😋😋 We know both why they are no there… cause have no any chance in a real championship cause the enemy not a frozen bag who become frozen when they do their combo… 🥸 And litereally everytime when a hema and someone else fought like fencer or kendo always the hema lost! There is many other video too
@Ranstone
6 жыл бұрын
To all the people arguing and saying this is pointless, it serves a very important purpose. I'm tired, but I don't want to go to bed, 'cus I'm procrastinating tomorrow, and this vid entertained me. 'Nuf said.
@Vlad_Tepes_III
3 жыл бұрын
Best comment in this video. Or any video on KZitem for that matter.
@JumperMelon
6 жыл бұрын
but was this under hema rules or fencing rules? because that basically determines the winner
@belgiumbunlover5787
Жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to see a HEMA rapier fencer against an Olympic-style epee fencer. This feels more like the difference is due to the different weapons, rather than the different approaches to fencing.
@antoniomele4830
7 жыл бұрын
Sport Fencing has this kind of suicidle attitude
@DzinkyDzink
7 жыл бұрын
Cuz you only need to hit first. In real life(which HEMA tries to recreate) you also need to survive to tell the peeps that you actually won the duel.
@antoniomele4830
7 жыл бұрын
Nick Dzink Sure, that's why I pointed that out ;)
@DzinkyDzink
7 жыл бұрын
If you're leading you're still leading under this system. So it's a get out of jail card sort of if you get in a sticky situation.
@RandomAllen
7 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, you need to hit 1 .25 of a second first in order to score, if both people are hitting close to the same time in any capacity, they would likely be dead. If a fencer gets a point but neglects to cover himself afterwards and then the other guy immediately gets a point, they both would likely be dead. There should even be no points awarded or minuses.
@iamnotspartacus4460
7 жыл бұрын
If you noticed at 0:27 the sport fencer counted the hit on his hand, not on his neck
@JustShotsForMeh
7 жыл бұрын
The fencer has the reflexes of a professional boxer, fuck me
@ericfaucher8132
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting. As a former epee fencer, the nonlinearity of the fight would be challenging. Well done and fun to watch. Think I want to mess with the longsword.
@Robo0595
5 жыл бұрын
Landing a poke means nothing if it comes at the cost of having your skull cleaved in two.
@ozanozenir2503
5 жыл бұрын
Nathanimal what if he pokes the neck or the heart. İt all depends on where the shot lands thats why in foir only the body is counted as a point
@matthewpham9525
5 жыл бұрын
Considering how lethal “pokes” with a sword are, cleaving a mans skull into means nothing if you get poked. Thrusting weapons replaced cutting weapons for a reason you know.
@wickedwonderland9831
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Foil and épée derived from thrusting weapons for a reason, and even Sabre still uses a good deal of "pokes" that resemble a deadly thrust to the torso.
@adamplentl5588
4 жыл бұрын
Thrusts are historically more deadly than cuts due to the unreachable internal bleeding.
@franktheprank7336
4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewpham9525 Actually while thrusts were deadlier, they were so in the long run. What I mean by this is, a cut will kill you, and fast, if you're not treated, it will also incapacitate you, depending on were you got cut you might not even be able to keep fighting. A thrust on the other hand generally does not incapacitate you to the extent a cut does, nor can it kill you as fast as a cut (again this is a general statement, in the end it al depends on were you got hit) but what a thrust can do is seal your fate, you might close the wound, but the internal bleeding, infection and bad healing would either kill you a few days later, or it will incapacitate you for the rest of your life. Thrust oriented swords through history were developed as civilian, self defense and dueling weapons. ¿Now why is that? Well as it turns out, not because of its deadlines, but because of its ease of access. To put it simply, thurst oriented swords and their systems of fighting are generally easier to grasp and apply than sistems for blades like the longsword or the saber. ¿Why is this? Well first of all, thrust come of as more natural to us than cuts, a thrust whether it's a jabbing or a stepping thrust is biomechanically closer to a punch than a cut, they are also simpler motions and have less variations than the myriad of different cutting angles, all of this means the system is easier to access for the common, non military experienced, person than more complex military oriented weaponry.
@the_brutal_king4314
6 жыл бұрын
DEX vs STR
@ZackLee
4 жыл бұрын
Underated comment lamo
@SidewaysGts
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZackLee Both look pretty dex to me
@omegaonthefly1977
4 жыл бұрын
I only gotta hit you once dexnerd
@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934
4 жыл бұрын
You use more DEX than STR with a longsword
@disastideas5209
4 жыл бұрын
DEX is STR you nonces, hit the gym
@charliemashara477
6 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think it is interesting to see what happens when different styles spar. It is interesting. I am not sure that would always happen.
@PieLovesPi
5 жыл бұрын
I would have probably taken a rapier or sidesword against an epee like that. The longswordsman is also not fully taking advantage of the weight of his weapon by going for those full swings. He could more or less beat the epee at it's own game by owning the center of the fight. Stay in longpoint, use small beat attacks to keep the epee out of the center, keep your hands safe, and move forward. You could make a one hand thrust with the longsword if you wanted, but that might be risky. That is, take your right hand off the blade and take a passing step forward with your back leg while thrusting with your left hand. You gain a huge amount of distance and since the epee is so light, it'll still be hard for him to deflect. The thing that a lot of people forget is that the shape of swords didn't go straight from the longsword to the smallsword. There was a long period of swords becoming longer and thinner, then shorter and thinner. A rapier versus a longsword? I'd take the rapier; it's still got the heft to compete with the longsword for the center of the engagement and it's reach, afforded by both the length of the blade and the fact that you only have one hand on the sword, is greater. The longsword has an uphill battle to compete with a rapier. But against a smallsword? The smallsword doesn't have either the length of a rapier or the weight to be able to seriously contend with a long sword for the center. They would essentially have to fence in absence (keeping your sword away from your opponent so they can't manipulate it) against a longsword and completely outclass the longswordsman physically and in terms of skill. A smaller sword is easier to move and if you can move more freely while not giving up too much in terms of length or weight then you have the advantage. Over hundreds of years, rapiers have gotten smaller and smaller to the point where it's hard to call it by the same name, which is where we get the smallsword, but in order to contend with longswords they had to be longer and heavier when they were first popularized. TL;DR, this is a complete mismatch. The longsword user should have crushed the small sword user and the small sword user should have used a rapier. I could absolutely beat both of them with my five foot dick (translation, I tried to be informative without sounding full of myself but I'm sure I failed. So I decided to lean into sounding full of myself to satirize the situation and by explaining this joke I've taken all humor out of it. I hope you enjoyed.)
@josephgrey3702
2 жыл бұрын
That was honestly sick to watch. Different swords, different styles. Difference in strength of a real fight!
@hasinabrar3263
5 жыл бұрын
i find the hema martial arts to be very amusing and practical, wish i could learn it somewhere
@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique
3 жыл бұрын
Hema is good. But learning thrusts from fencing is useful, when combined with fake cut feints.
@CoffeeSnep
5 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend that the longsword wielder be very aggressive, and try to engage in a bind. Due to the flexibility and rapid engaging/disengsging, the longsword wielder is at a disadvantage if he fights defensively. However, I believe the added stiffness and leverage of the longsword would make it much easier to beat away the epee and control the centerline. Considering the epee is a thrust only weapon, losing the centerline would be very bad for him.
@lewribaedi5997
5 жыл бұрын
But as you said, the epee disengages very fast. An attack against it will be met with a disengage, stop hit.
@newschwarz
4 жыл бұрын
Does the fencer use a pistol grip?
@yourleftisttesticle
7 жыл бұрын
Definitely valuing HEMA more for the sword play nowadays than I do fencing.
@Vesivian
7 жыл бұрын
fencing = sport.......
@rogeredmonds
7 жыл бұрын
Vesivian fencing is playing tag with a metal stick
@Vesivian
7 жыл бұрын
and badminton is hitting cocks with a metal rod.. still is a sport.. guessing ur the stereotypical hema circlejerk... yawn
@ZegohsOfZegCrew
6 жыл бұрын
+Vesivian Fencing = a general term for the art of sword fighting In competitions you see the reduction of techniques in favor of speed because that's what the rules call for. However, don't assume that's what modern fencing, or "sport" fencing is all about. It's like someone saying HEMA is only longsword and nothing but longsword.
@michaelmiller7909
6 жыл бұрын
And hema is out of shape larpers playing pretend. Too much MMORPGs and no actual training... Oh, the hema guy trains... Please tell me which of any fighting style (combat proven, not mcninjas/mcknights in a bullshit-o dojo) has you sacrifice your footing while hopping around like a four year old girl in a game of tag?
@pidge3807
6 жыл бұрын
this very interesting to watch honestly you can really see the difference in style the hema fighter is well balanced when it comes to the fight doing a couple of block but responding with a attack while the fencer is very offensive trying his best to get into his zone but clear has trouble doing so due the hema fighters defence
@adamplentl5588
4 жыл бұрын
Attacking as defense is one of the core principles of the long sword.
@jasonc9672
6 жыл бұрын
What's the blood code? My Game Genie isn't working
@michaellittle226
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing .
@mopedinthemalverns6661
3 жыл бұрын
Fencer is all over the hema here. Hema fighter footwork is all over the shop.
@Vo_d_kontra_o_norMAL
Жыл бұрын
What beautifull coat - what are called the not sparsing verssion ? Like original jonh marston coat - i want build a coat like that for me - help me please
@shadowshibe5962
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a fencer and HEMAist and my hot take from this video is that they both had very good footwork
@kankupitbull2
4 ай бұрын
Why they do this ? It's a totally different type of weapons.
@tsoliot5913
7 жыл бұрын
get that vom tag up, man, wtf the olys are watching.
@levifontaine8186
6 жыл бұрын
Use the most historical guard position, so the SCA and Olympic fighters are confused.
@lzmunch
6 жыл бұрын
wouldn't it have made sense for him to go against a smallsword or rapier hema fencer
@chonkcat2
3 жыл бұрын
Should be using a French smallsword, which is what the epee simulates I believe.
@JohnSmith-qy3nv
3 жыл бұрын
What is the level of the fencer?
@boxofmadness2511
2 жыл бұрын
6 with level 2 in paladin as a subclass
@geoffreysorkin5774
3 жыл бұрын
Now we need HEMA against Hillbilly. For anyone unaware, Hillbilly fighting style is a beer and a twelve gauge. Start at 15 paces, but the twelve gauge is not loaded. Can the HEMA fighter close the gap before the Hillbilly shotguns the beer and loads the twelve gauge.
@jlatzke
2 жыл бұрын
Who won? I can't tell, since I know nothing about this stuff.
@potatokilr7789
3 жыл бұрын
I always thought it would be cool to learn hema and fencing, then combine both skills into a unique fighting style with a bastard sword _Edit: I wrote this when I wasn't too familiar with the differences between HEMA and fencing_
@synthemagician4686
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd focus on the hema side of things, especially if you want to go with a bastard sword. There are some nuances you could get from fencing sure, but you wouldn't really get much that would be helpful when compared to hema. Of course that's not to say you shouldn't explore everything you can to learn and develop, I highly support learning new things, figuring out what works for you, what doesn't, and what others may employ against you so as to better defend against it. If fencing is gonna give you much of anything I'd hazard a guess that the footwork would be where it's really at. Good footwork can't be underestimated.
@liv8370
3 жыл бұрын
BASTARD SWORD!
@adamjaworski3913
2 жыл бұрын
HEMA is fencing also with different weapon and rules
@easternmaverick3848
4 жыл бұрын
It is a longsword for a reason.
@jonathanhou8712
4 жыл бұрын
You should try grappling/unarmed with the fencer. ;)
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
Hes using a 2 handed sword. Also grabbing that epee is hard af too. It aint as easy as it looks
@wickedwonderland9831
6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a sabre fencer have been the better fit ? Épée fencers are not used to cutting or specific parries for cuts. Also sabre fencers are way faster.
@hairyviking6047
5 жыл бұрын
Sabre cuts are diagonal, which longsword has a lot of protection against. Pflug to an ochs thrust does the trick by going straight through the centre. Longsword also has a great length advantage. Not that I've tried, but going longpoint between cuts would probably work too.
@wickedwonderland9831
5 жыл бұрын
@@hairyviking6047 Interesting! But as I'm a Sabre fencer myself, I can assure you that we can cut more ways than just diagonally. Also, your opponent being taller than you (resulting in a longer reach, obviously), or in this case, the longer sword, can be easily compated with both tactics and in-fighting (when both fencers are really close in distance, happens a lot in foil, for example). The slower footwork would actually make it easier, because playing the distance to your advantage is a Sabre fencers bread and butter, so to speak. Of course I'm not an expert on the subject, but making theories is kinda fun.
@matthewpham9525
3 жыл бұрын
@@hairyviking6047 In the modern fencing meta, most cuts are downward vertical. I still wouldn't put a sport saber against a longsword due to the unrealistic weight of the saber, but the particular bit of diagonal cuts isn't true.
@espositogregory
6 жыл бұрын
This is a good example of how fencing is a sport-ized sword fighting. Every time the epeeist "scored" his opponent would have been plenty able to deal devastating responses. Regardless of that French toothpick being lethally impaled in his foe, the practice of to the first blow is bad habit forming
@immort4730
6 жыл бұрын
_ Espo It makes for a fun sport tho. Let's be honest, when are you ever gonna go to a serious duel to the death? It's kind of like saying Arma is more realistic than CSGO. Sure it is, but does it matter as a game?
@eirin481
5 жыл бұрын
Learning the pace of actual swordfighting is insightful in a historical context. That being said, I am aware from your other comments that you're an epee fencer, but my bare minimum experience in epee sport fencing was way less fun than my months of HEMA. Also, HEMA can be a fun "sport" too, especially if you prefer swords that actually look and feel like swords, but we just don't want it to be dwindled down to a sport where points matter more than common sense. Getting sniped in the hand a fraction of a second you committed to the massive cleave to your opponent's skull under a judge that counts first contact is the most anti-fun thing in the world to me.
@immort4730
5 жыл бұрын
I actually have minimal experience with HEMA, so I'm probably biased. But I like the aspect of the "all that matters is first touch" mentality. You can make much bigger commitments as long as you know you can land first touch.
@levifontaine8186
5 жыл бұрын
We do HEMA because we want to FIGHT. Seriously. With real swords. Yes, they're not sharp, but they're very real. No rules about who can attack when. Sport fencing teaches good technique but if you want to fight then you're out of luck. So, it's up to you which you prefer. Sport fencing still teaches some good techniques. And yes, it's a bit less dangerous than HEMA. But I would never call it "fighting" and I am even hesitant to call it fencing because it does not fit that definition any more. No, we aren't planning on getting into a fight with sharp swords. It is a sport. But it's a damn cool one, and it's also a martial art, which some people forget.
@matthewpham9525
4 жыл бұрын
Levi Fontaine >Real swords >Not sharp Uh huh. Feders are not simply blunted longswords, they’re lightened and more hilt balanced as well. They’re no more “real” than a foil or epee.
@RyanElliott99
3 жыл бұрын
dude I just realized that guy has the same exact model longsword as me
@chanachon56
7 жыл бұрын
Great video, however, I think that the HEMA fighter had an advantage in this fight because he has more options (since he has a longsword, he can cut as well as stab whereas the fencer can only stab). I would suggest the HEMA guy go for a Rapier to make it more of an "even" fight.
@Duchess_Van_Hoof
7 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting to see. Especially with a proper rapier in all its length.
@damuni1
6 жыл бұрын
Nam Chanachon Rapiers can still cut
@levifontaine8186
6 жыл бұрын
A rapier can cut as well. And it would be even more advantageous to the HEMA guy, because he would the have even more reach and hand protection. The fencer is using an epee, shorter and MUCH lighter that a rapier.
@sherrattpemberton6089
6 жыл бұрын
not very even if he uses Spanish Rapier
@ilyazhitomirskiy9218
6 жыл бұрын
HEMA vs sabre would be more even, because sabre can cut as well as thrust.
@nikilbellad3058
6 жыл бұрын
So this is basically smallsword vs longsword
@goldwinger5434
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed something but it looks like the fencer won that bout.
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
He did
@Kingdomkey123678
2 жыл бұрын
Too many doubles, no one won lol
@epic321123
6 жыл бұрын
Thing is, if this was a real duel, an epee touch would sting but a longsword cut would sever a limb
@The_Gallowglass
6 жыл бұрын
Well hopefully he would have an actual rapier or a sabre in a real duel. ;D
@xluca1701
5 жыл бұрын
@@The_Gallowglass A saber is a cutting-weapon. So it's nothing for the epeeist ^^
@thomastucker7317
5 жыл бұрын
Also the epee does not represent the rapier, it represents the smallsword. Rapiers are far heavier and longer, they match the length of longswords and almost the weight too, they are also cut and thrust weapons
@xluca1701
5 жыл бұрын
@@thomastucker7317 Weight not that much. They weigh as much as an arming sword. But a longsword isnt much heavier. Maybe a very light longsword.
@thomastucker7317
5 жыл бұрын
@Ezio Auditore So around 1300grams right? Epee's weigh just over half that at around 7-800grams. The main point wasnt the weight difference though, its that they have the same reach, and are cut and thrust weapons. They are just different weapons
@williamgoring7605
4 жыл бұрын
I love watching these videos we don't have a fencing place where I live but I'm working out staying in shape and I'm watching these videos and I'm learning and I watch on other instructional videos on how to handle storage properly because I want to buy one I just don't want to be one of these idiots and got buys a sword and he watches a zombie movie and he thinks he's a professional I want to know what I'm doing have the strength to have proper technique before I even consider buying a sword thank you for the videos I'll keep watching
@Whyareyouhandlingme69
4 жыл бұрын
The armors are Switched XD
@timothylaverdiere629
6 жыл бұрын
That was nice to see however the fencing saber is a much muuch faster weapon which made the longsword user at somewhat of a disadvantage. Sure his blows landed and would be devastating as well as the fencer has to Dodge most the attacks as his weapon would not stand a parry he still landed multiple strikes before the man using a longsword could counter. And in a tournament that's usually what matters is who hits first and by how long as well as where. I noticed a few hand shots by the fencer while he was simply testing the longswords range.
@xluca1701
5 жыл бұрын
In HEMA it's not just the first hit. You're in an disadventage if you hit first, but your strike isn't lethal.
@Kingdomkey123678
2 жыл бұрын
In HEMA tournaments there’s a thing could a double. A double is what happens when you and your opponent strike each other either at the same time or in rapid succession. If both of you deliver a “good” attack, as in an attack that would have caused significant harm if not death in a real sword fight, then neither of you win the double and the no points are scored. However if only one of you managed a “good” attack then the one who delivered it is at advantage and the judges might give them a point
@huolive3996
4 жыл бұрын
Who won
@mattk1358
6 жыл бұрын
Hitting without being hit back even harder is what fencing lacks lol.
@ZegohsOfZegCrew
6 жыл бұрын
+Matt K Is that your educated "observation?" I wonder at your experience with fencing.
@Kiwanja
6 жыл бұрын
HEMA tournaments actually have incorporated this rule where points get negated if your opponent manages to hit you after your blow, so HEMA tournaments are actually from the start doing away with the "if I hit a split second before my opponent, I get a point" mentally of olympic fencing.
@sircastic959
6 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I did fencing briefly as a child and now I am doing HEMA. Olympic fencing ends when you score the first hit. If you hit me half a second before I hit you, you win. in HEMA (and reality) we both lose. Had this been fought for real in most cases the HEMA Guy would have been wounded and the Fencer would be dead.
@ZegohsOfZegCrew
6 жыл бұрын
+Sir Castic That's not entirely true. There is a timing in fencing, and the opponent can also score their second hit if they land it quick enough. The thing is, if you train and practice to land the first hit then yes, fencing does seem incomplete, but that's on the individual, not the system.
@willyschwerin
6 жыл бұрын
1 word foil look it up
@Native_love
6 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine charging into battle with a foil or light rapier? SNAP goes the blade! A tool for dueling only I would imagine. Easy to carry and great for self-defence but not so much for the battlefield.
@medicisoldier2790
5 жыл бұрын
What’s with HEMA neckbeards and the concept of “Real life?” When’s the last time a sword was used against another sword in battle?
@VestedUTuber
4 жыл бұрын
@@medicisoldier2790 Counterpoint: When's the last time a sword was used against another sword in battle _with the intent to kill?_ Even when it was relevant, modern duel-fencing was only ever to first blood, so weapons that could move swiftly and draw blood with minimal force were preferred and techniques were focused on simply making that first cut. The martial arts studied by HEMA practitioners are focused on killing while minimizing risk to the user, and HEMA fighting simulates this by requiring hits to be "sufficiently lethal" (as in "would kill if the weapon used was real and properly sharpened") in order to count. The focus is entirely different between the two. Both had their real-life uses, but modern duel-fencing was always in a controlled environment.
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
@@VestedUTuber Idk, maybe in the 19 hundreds when duels happened?
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
It isnt a foil, it is an epee. Unlike the foil and saber, it is very stiff. It bareley bends. And the only times it does are when you hit hard and keep pushing it against what you stabbed. Also this is a duel not on the battlefield, but other than that i agree
@VestedUTuber
2 жыл бұрын
@@costicevei4091 You're about 100 years too late there...
@TA-wx1fc
2 жыл бұрын
Considering he can only thrust with that rapier (no slash or pommeling) , the fencer did pretty well.
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
It isnt a rapier, it is an epee
@darkkindness3704
2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a fencer against a hema Rapier
@lukesopher5368
2 жыл бұрын
about as one would expect from a pokey boi vs longsword chad match
@Sfourtytwo
2 жыл бұрын
So one guy simulates a sword while the other plays a touchy game with a car antenna. Either give the "Fencer" a Rapier or a smallsword.
@aminity548
2 жыл бұрын
Fencing isn’t supposed to be realistic, and it’s really hard
@chris-il4qu
3 жыл бұрын
I love the comment section here. Usually its HEMA practitioners who are brand new(most are larpers that drop out because HEMA is geared towards revival so always correcting when new or better translations and interpretations are certified) so they circle jerk each other insulting epee fencing...now its epee fencing people circle jerking eachother insulting HEMA guys lol 😂😂😂
@hapsororenaldy5971
2 жыл бұрын
nice spar !
@heresjonny666
6 жыл бұрын
The sport fencer's weapon is too insubstantial to stand against the longsword. A more historically true smallsword or colichemarde simulator might have stood a better chance, but you can see that basically any hit that the fencer achieves is a double with them likely coming off worse.
@kienbean78
5 жыл бұрын
Of course everyone on here is taking this video way out of context. The title should be Longsword vs Foil. It has little bearing if any on sport fencing vs HEMA because both fighters are doing HEMA rules. The only thing I can glean from this video is the obvious: A Longsword has a reach advantage over a smallsword/foil. NO SHIT. Kudos to the foil fencer for taking on the added difficulty but he can easily even the odds with a good sized rapier.
@lewribaedi5997
5 жыл бұрын
That's not a foil.
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
Its epee not foil, also he scored more hits, wich in real life would put you in a trance before you can do anything else. Leaving you to bleed or be finished off. Half the hits after being stabbed the longsword guy scored would be impossible to do irl as you would be paralysed from shock
@eoagr1780
5 жыл бұрын
Sport fencing would be better on a non linear arena, more dynamic and more interesting for the audience. That includes all three weapons.
@thelonerider9693
3 жыл бұрын
Not really fair... Whole the modern fencer is probably slightly faster with his (is that an epee) -- and not by much! a good longsworder is FAST! in a thrust, the guy with the feder is a lot more advantage on the bind... Interesting comparison non the less. I think a lot of people underestimate the speed of longsword...
@negativezero8174
4 жыл бұрын
Smh all these people calling a Foil an Epee
@hlaks1207
2 жыл бұрын
Wow did not expect to see a Sri Lankan flag.. Salute.
@boxofmadness2511
2 жыл бұрын
hope the fencer has enough protection, the lack of gloves is frightening
@Liefpe
5 жыл бұрын
holy shit give that fencer some protection D:
@zaganim3813
6 жыл бұрын
im sorry but this longsword fencer is kinda passive. man have some fucking faith in your voorschlag and hit him in the head.
@kanucks9
6 жыл бұрын
I'm just looking at how unprotected the epeeist is, like, If the longsword guy attacked normally he could be injured.
@tonymontana3949
2 жыл бұрын
Nice...i love also arma
@fresomende
4 жыл бұрын
The fencer should have used a saber.
@justdancefan-pv6lb
2 жыл бұрын
0:36 crazy good dodge
@achannel4719
7 жыл бұрын
cool
@onlyamug
2 жыл бұрын
Next up we have a tennis player against a crossbowman
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
Жыл бұрын
And after that is a man with a sniper rifle against a man driving a bulldozer.
@charliewheeler8602
6 жыл бұрын
Give the epee fencer a small shield (or even a solid short sword) in his left hand then this would be a completely different story. The longsword fencer can use 2 hands why cant the epee fencer?
@nuckingfuts3204
5 жыл бұрын
Longsword can be used one-handed, with shield.
@adamplentl5588
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuckingfuts3204 Not near as effectively. But I agree, a sidesword or buckler for the fencer would have tipped it.
@mrzoonix6368
Жыл бұрын
Would've been nice to see the HEMA guy using a rapier/small sword.
@velazquezarmouries
4 жыл бұрын
No yelling nor intimidation not grappling
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
Coz theres no grappling in fencing
@velazquezarmouries
2 жыл бұрын
@@costicevei4091 but there's grappling in hema
@shan9usfc
6 жыл бұрын
A big fucking sword.
@mikel4998
4 жыл бұрын
Cant see the hema
@CZOV
2 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to explain to the HEMA people already - the spanish cup-hilt rapier is a superior weapon. Its a sword and a buckler into one.
@m3lonm4n
3 ай бұрын
It's kinda bed compareson. Weapons are totally different. Smallsword would fit much better here against epee or whatever it calls
@Yorikoification
6 жыл бұрын
Aria vs the Hound
@doktordanomite9105
7 жыл бұрын
Should have used a small sword still good bout
@thiagorodrigues5211
Жыл бұрын
If you have less kill, bring a bigger sword. If you have even less skill? Bring a Halberd
@birdaye007
7 жыл бұрын
wanna see hema guy spar with Kendo
@jmon4992
5 жыл бұрын
So basically fencing but for weebs?
@noahz
3 жыл бұрын
Comments here are pretty silly. Fencing is derived from dueling between gentleman and nobles settling affairs of honor, not a pair of heathens stumbling and hacking at each other in a drunken brawl. YES there were rules in dueling with court swords, look it up. Duels had a referee to enforce the rules and a doctor present to attend to rules. KZitem has dozens if not hundreds of videos of *actual* duels with sharps - often with participants who also did "sport" fencing. So yes, their training carried over. "Historical" enthusiasts would do well to learn some history before leaving comments.
@daggercatz7297
5 жыл бұрын
Thats like trying to fight a guy that has a Bayonet with a little pin needle lol
@nuclearmonster6601
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, as you can see in a real fight modern fencing is useless, in this situation you grab the epee by the blade and use t as a hammer, though that might not be very effective
@daggercatz7297
3 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearmonster6601 Ye, to be fair tho modern fencing is more of a sport than real swordfighting
@nuclearmonster6601
3 жыл бұрын
@@daggercatz7297 yes, that's literally the definition or modern fencing, hema is evolved from a technique used for killing in large scale war, modem fencing is evolved from a dueling sport that the rich would use to settle affairs, usually over a woman or honor.
@astralisk
4 жыл бұрын
Very unsafe without protective gear
@OriginalKingRichTv
3 жыл бұрын
Thrash metal: hardcore + NWOBHM Metalcore: punk + screaming JKD: Fencing + mma Idea: HEMA + MMa
@superartstudio
2 жыл бұрын
Guess in a real dual, most of the time both party will be injured (and died due to infection)
@ashrozz
Жыл бұрын
Usually it would end at first blood
@mayckonwolf
6 жыл бұрын
Hema guy make it better.
@ottabieN
2 ай бұрын
Mfs really put a epee fencer against hema. At least put a saber fencer there
@sandblastedcasket
3 жыл бұрын
much enjoyed, HEMA guy needs footwear with better grip
@MrEWaKid
3 жыл бұрын
Real life mordhau
@tritchie6272
4 жыл бұрын
Lesson I got is if it was real they would both be dead.
@jeffreystevens8042
4 жыл бұрын
ITT hema elitists
@elherrerodeasgard2741
2 жыл бұрын
chage the title: i beat a fencenr with an deportive almost needle ultra flexible safe blade vs a Longsword with more mass and Range designed to more historical duelings.
@kewintaylor7056
5 жыл бұрын
Fencing have fastest attack...that y they need tool tp give a score... Impaling attack also very effective more than just slash,cuz its have all body weight bhind the attack. That y in war rapier and small sword type aremore popular! (But the most use are spear type!lol cuz its cheap!)
@constantinesoldatos
5 жыл бұрын
They used spears cause they were by far superior to swords because of the reach advantage. A spearman would defeat a sword wielder 90% of the time. Swords were only used as backup weapons if the spear broke or was lost in battle.
@adamplentl5588
4 жыл бұрын
Weird because it didn't look like he was faster at all. Its almost like you don't know what you're talking about.
@Julius_Caesar69420
Жыл бұрын
YEAAAAH GREEK FLAG ON THE TOP RIGHT GO GREEECEEEEEE
@xerdnaxzeugirdor6954
6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a sabre fencer would have had a better chance
@costicevei4091
2 жыл бұрын
The epee fancer scored more hits. Saber might be overkill due to how f'ing fast it is.
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