I’m surprised the charging costs so much! Flash forward 20 years the power companies will be gouging the consumers instead of the oil companies……
@Josh-179
2 жыл бұрын
It costs around $140,000 to install ONE 350kw DC charging station (one stall). So even at those charging costs, the operators aren't making money. It'll take many years to pay off investment which is why so few stations are built. Electrify America only exists as punishment to VWs diesel scandal.
@jimbob1096
2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh-179 and if everyone had an EV think of the line to wait for the few chargers.
@ferrisr
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimbob1096 by then, we'd have more chargers built up. Maybe we should take some of those oil subsidies and use them to build more charging stations and (green) power plants.
@andrewjackson5127
2 жыл бұрын
That is exactly what's going to happen it's going to be much more expensive to operate an electric vehicle than it ever was a gasoline operated vehicle
@markjames2338
2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that unless you do long hauls on a regular basis, most charging takes place at home overnight. The rates are much cheaper. Adding 250kw at our house is about $17 at our $.07 a kw. On road trips, it’s not significantly cheaper than petrol. I’m more concerned with the whole app/charging process. That looks like a pain in the butt.
@nathanenns7186
2 жыл бұрын
Also, at a gas price of $3.50/gal my 2006 V8 Suburban would have cost $6 more to make this trip but would have done the entire trip on a single tank without having to refuel once. I think that’s worth my 6 bucks.
@jstaffordii
2 жыл бұрын
Lol my diesel 2500 HD costs $173 at $4.79/gal for a 0-100% full tank. It can do the whole round trip and have 250 miles of additional range available when finished.
@theeagle1967
2 жыл бұрын
@@jstaffordii But you can pay 20,000 more to know your electric isnt that worth it :)
@Joeainthere73
2 жыл бұрын
Surprised to find $3.00 gas in Kentucky but emptied US a strategic oil reserves to drop price that low. Buying votes is that easy. Used online EV savings calculator and fuel savings don't quite pay for excise tax of new EV. It's an unfair comparison to my gas 4x4 with 60k miles on it because I don't need to buy a new truck. Gas is headed down below $3 and utilities are going to gouge on rates due to demand
@mjwbulich
2 жыл бұрын
I live in Los Angeles. I spent at least $150 a week on gas. I rarely tow but I do need a truck to haul tools, materials, and occasionally debris. I never roadtrip in my truck. It's cheaper to rent a car or fly. The Lightning would save me a minimum of $5,000 a year, probably more.
@danoberste8146
2 жыл бұрын
You'd have to fuel up twice. You have leave early to go to the fuel station to fill up your tank at the start of the trip, then stop at another fuel station to fill your truck up again from empty before you get home. With an electric vehicle, you're fully charged before you leave the house then you plug in again when you get to the cabin and hit the sack right away. You'll be fully charged again before you get out of bed. No stops.
@stern12akachris32
2 жыл бұрын
The one test I would love to see is a 1000 mile trip a regular half ton vs the lightning start at the same time and see the arrival time difference with normal driving also showing the cost difference between the two . It is the test that has been not done yet
@skmadsen1010
2 жыл бұрын
TFL did this.
@icarusfarmsWV
2 жыл бұрын
@@skmadsen1010 They did part of it, assuming you are talking about that little jaunt going south of Denver. If I recall they really didn't do a financial comparison, the gas truck dilly dallied around the charging station for much of the time and the distance was only ~100 miles. It was still a blow out but the data wasn't really clear cut... I think one of the huge fallacies that needs to be put out into the open is how much these fast charge stations charge, all of these evaluations should have that stated specifically and ultimately break it down to $/mile to operate (and don't muddy the waters with at how charging nonsense outside of a local distance evaluation)
@UTBanjo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Do this with the standard F-150, the Hybrid, and the lightning. Time is money, and I don't have hours to waste at charging stations.
@Cornelius87
2 жыл бұрын
The only fair way to do those tests is if you don't even tell the drivers they're racing otherwise you don't get real world results. Bjorn did it and he did everything he could to make the gas car slower but when he drives EVs he uses what he calls ninja skills. Mkbhd also did it but he wasn't driving his tesla how much EV drivers would be driving, he was letting it go all the way to 0%. At the end of the day there is no EV right now that could beat an ice equivalent if they were doing a long race because it's just not possible to be faster in a car that has less range and take longer to "refuel" you just can't warp time.
@bruceharkness4497
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why they left the cost to “fuel” on both of those trucks in that previous tests. I asked that in the comments as it seemed it would be data they have. Oh boy, for $50K or more you can turn a shortish drive into a hassle. Not even close to ready for prime time. A great urban golf cart, but not much more.
@teknightrider2586
2 жыл бұрын
Always good reviews... Another new thing is the COST INCREASE of the same exact Lightning Lariat that I had signed up for 5/20/22 (day after announcement). Anyone who buys one now, it is going to be WAY WAY More expensive! So not ONLY does a Lariat w/Panoramic Glass Roof have a $8,900 price increase from Ford…but now also NO more $7,500 Federal Tax Credit which makes this truck $16,400 MORE than the first Lightning I'd just gotten a few weeks ago!!! YIKES!!!😬 Soooooo all the media reviews (and owners like me too, who were able to get a 2022 Lightning Lariat with all the options)... it is now clear the extended battery models are doing really great if we can even reach about 250 miles at highway speeds with the aerodynamics. Plus also, realistically towing is out of the question, unless pulling a utility trailer across town. So basically, even with fuel prices at $5 a gallon a road trip makes Zero sense (sorry to say) as I’ve owned 34 vehicles (9 trucks) and my wife’s current Honda Ridgeline gets 24.8 to 26.6 MPG on the highway (calculated at the pump)…so with the HIGH... VERY HIGHT cost of charging while away from home… and what a person’s time is worth… really a person can only go about 125 miles from home, in order to return home to charge for another 10 hours!
@seekerstan
2 жыл бұрын
A while back Myth Busters did an experiment testing tailgate vs against down. If I recall correctly the tailgate up test got better mileage because the turbulent air in the bed creates an aerodynamic zone that reduces wind resistance.
@AGHRMatt
2 жыл бұрын
That's correct. Saw the episode and conducted the test myself with similar results. That said, though, a hard, locking cover secures your stuff and protects it from the elements.
@RacerX1971
5 ай бұрын
That's good Einstein but what if I got stuff in the cargo bed...heller
@rmustang26
2 жыл бұрын
About the three steps to read charge percentage… enable the “Calm” screen on the dashboard, that always shows percentage. I hope a future update will add percentage to all dashboards, but for now I find the calm screen an easier way to see it.
@Mkg254
2 жыл бұрын
You will also see state of charge when blue cruise is enabled.
@chrishansel9324
2 жыл бұрын
I know it is so hard to read it from the mid screen. come on give me a break. the range is right in front of you. I have no problem glanceing to my right. it also tells you the efficentcy.
@rmustang26
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomdomenico Please do that and save the candidates from making a bad decision. If you own a electric vehicle you’ll discover you spend much less time overall waiting for charging than you did going out to gas stations. Sure on road trips it will add time, but in my experience that has been minimal. 95% of the time just being around home I never think about charging, my cars always have more charge than I need. No need to waste 5-10 minutes every week at a gas station, which adds up too. I’ve found the 30 minute stops every 4 hours on trips to be rejuvenating over my former road warrior approach. To each their own though, I’m not a fan of mandating EV’s either. I drove ICE vehicles for 30 years and now I prefer EV’s it’s just that simple. Not for political reasons, I just like them better.
@Michael-bu7ni
2 жыл бұрын
Ironic there’s a “Calm” screen while the entire road-tripping process is rife with anxiety over range and charging capability.
@colesonbruce7871
2 жыл бұрын
Also ask them if their home has PV with surplus, making their “fuel” free. Also ask them if they primarily use their vehicle for in-town diving, making nearly all their charging at home/~free. Also ask them if they value wild performance. Also ask them if they simply have disposable income they prefer to spend in a way differently than you. Also ask them if they like working for irrationally aggravated people.
@GoldenHart1970
2 жыл бұрын
I hope you guys plan on keeping this truck for a while, because I really want to see how good or bad this truck will be in the winter
@BlueCollarEV
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the non heat pump range loss is going to be nuts.
@GroundhogzGarage
2 жыл бұрын
It will be atrocious
@ismaelcarrillo3956
2 жыл бұрын
No EV gets better in the winter. The heater draws more energy than the ac. And with this charging system not having a heat pump. It's going to make things worse
@joedillon159
2 жыл бұрын
They done sold the truck my nabor said
@neutrino78x
10 ай бұрын
they drove it all the way up to Deadhorse AK in the winter. They did have to use the hybrid they had with them to charge at one point, but other than that they did ok. Electric car charging stations do have the major advantage that you can put them where there's no electrical service. Just need local batteries and a big solar panel, done. 🙂
@Gallardo6669
2 жыл бұрын
For everyone who might be afraid of charging issues: I always had them with my VW e- golf until we bought a Tesla.....
@jaerbenjamin
2 жыл бұрын
just was thinking about same switch
@scarharting5577
2 жыл бұрын
And then it got unbelievably awful! Is that what you left out? Because Elon Musk is a fraud.
@Gallardo6669
2 жыл бұрын
@@scarharting5577must be said by a jealous can't afford a Tesla guy... Absolutely nonsense, but ok for me.
@ericroe
2 жыл бұрын
Three updates I'd like Ford to add to the Lightning, 1) Battery % on all screens, not just Calm. And 2) several favorites button on top of the screen next to the profile button. I'd add Auto Hold and Camera as a favorite buttons. 3) Auto Parking Brake as a constant on option when the vehicle is in Park.
@TheRealDlo
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@ericroe
2 жыл бұрын
@@TakenTook I agree, though it does have a gauge like a fuel tank that shows the battery but it doesn’t have numbers on it. Fairly general so you have to guess the percentage.
@mikej5959
Жыл бұрын
They need to rework how we look at storage. I even took an electric class when becoming a aviation mechanic. Maybe 1 out of 10 understood kilowatt hours and amp hours. It was a basic course but still. These are people that will work with basic electricity and we have trouble understanding it. The public doesnt need that.
@thedjinn13
2 жыл бұрын
StateOfCharge did an interview with the head of ford's electric division, he said if you change the instrument cluster to "calm" I believe it was that it actually shows the battery % on the dash. On the left side under the range
@TheRealDlo
2 жыл бұрын
I use Calm & enjoy the simplicity and %
@timothyharrison
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think the creators know this, but air resistance is exponential. Ford has made a reasonable design decision to keep standard body for the lightning. They are not targeting road trip buyers. All that is to say, you can be sure the future ev trucks will not look the same.
@neutrino78x
10 ай бұрын
indeed, an electric truck doesn't need the boxy front that an ICE truck needs. Could make it aerodynamic. 🙂
@andrewjackson5127
2 жыл бұрын
Every time you do a video with the lightning I'm more convinced that it is a major pain in the ass not worth dealing with. It's more unreliable computer than it is a vehicle. And waiting around to charge, what a headache, even when it works smoothly and apparently it doesn't always do that. My 1.7 litre Jetta would have done that trip for about 32 bucks and no stops, no waiting around, and I wouldn't be required to use an app on my phone to refill my tank which I wouldn't have to do because I have 600 plus miles of range. This technology is still far from ready.
@clarkstonguy1065
2 жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest putting the stock tires back on until it snows, but I suppose keeping the more aggressive tires on now will let you give us more apples to apples comparisons on how the range fares this winter when it gets cold.
@ericanderson1753
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t occupy a 350kW station when your truck can’t accept the power! You can probably pull over 150kW on the 150kW station. But you are blocking valuable towers for EV6 and IONIQ 5 and Taycan owners (which is terribly frustrating on road trips).
@anthropicandroid4494
2 жыл бұрын
This (and dual feul charging) are a real fly in the ointment, I have to say
@michaelbatchelder
2 жыл бұрын
The chargers is one of the many reasons Tesla wins. Good video, enjoyed till the end
@JustAnotherJarhead
2 жыл бұрын
if only...they actually had a truck...
@michaelbatchelder
2 жыл бұрын
@@JustAnotherJarhead True, even when they start next year it will take a long while before they are able to ramp production
@thebigjoker0728
2 жыл бұрын
Electric comes down to how much you value your time. $40 for 45 mins of charge is not worth it. I'd rather spend $90 for 5 mins of fill up time. Until a typical battery can do 500+ plus miles, I will not be making the switch.
@kellymiller3136
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos but I have a hard time saying it’s time to buy an EV for road trips. For a in city driving back and forth from home to work getting groceries then charging at home they may work. I will say road rage will be a thing at the charging stations. 😜
@neutrino78x
10 ай бұрын
you realize this is a 300+ mile trip one way, yes? How often do you drive that far in one day?
@mikestory2272
Жыл бұрын
What I like about the TFL crew is you all do not sound like fan boys, fan boys have become soooo exhausting, I can't listen anymore. Thank you.
@treynolds94
2 жыл бұрын
Also factor in food everytime you stop for charging aswell. Meaning you actually spent close to the same as your hybrid since you said you didnt have to stop. Everytime you guys stop to charge your grabbing food. Must get expensive. I can go close to 700kms with as little as taking a quick weewee on the side of the road especially on our 19 hour plus road trips in Northern Ontario where you are at times your lucky to find a gas station.
@Evolution56
2 жыл бұрын
We are all not like you iron man. Food stops are quite normal for most people.
@treynolds94
2 жыл бұрын
@@Evolution56 you obvi are not very smart with money. Long road trips I will make up food and pack drinks only thing need to do is pull up to a pump fill up or go through drive thru and continue on the road. Dont have to go sit inside for 50 mins to wait for your vehicle to charge.
@Evolution56
2 жыл бұрын
@@treynolds94 I said "most people". Myself I hardly go on long trips, and when I do, I look forward to dining out along the way. It's not a race to get somewhere. EV's contribute to cleaner air, and I appreciate that.
@treynolds94
2 жыл бұрын
@@Evolution56 it is a race sometimes especailly when you have some vacation time booked and a camp site booked 19 hours away. To get the most out of the trip its best to get there quickly so your are not missing time. Also way home if you have to go to work and need to get home before a certain time.
@ericreese4606
2 жыл бұрын
First off, I’d love to see transportation evolve to something that pollutes less and is cost effective. Unfortunately, we aren’t there yet. The cost benefit of BEV for charging comes when you are charging at home, I get that. But, as you can see in this video, if you are road tripping (for whatever reason, leisure or work) and needing to use public charging, you’re paying more for electricity than gas. For close comparison, it is cheaper (and much faster) to fill a F150 hybrid - which gets 26 MPG highway, than the lightning. To go 470 mi cost $80.25 on electric. The hybrid would cost about $70 to cover that same distance at $3.88/gal (which is the national average for gas today). Things are improving, but we’re not there yet from a cost perspective.
@herb7877
2 жыл бұрын
I did the same math and came up pretty close to the same conclusion. Add on top of this is the initial cost of the vehicle as well. I think it may very well be the future; but as you said a little ways off yet. The other unknown is the cost to build the & supply the grid. They are telling us now to conserve electricity for our A/C during the summer; what happens if 25-50% of the vehicles now require charging? Currently I may have to wait 5-10 minutes for the cars ahead of me to refuel with gas. If it takes 30-60 minutes to charge and there are several cars ahead of me.... then what ?
@LandParkColby
2 жыл бұрын
@@herb7877 Me too ... and I used a higher cost per gallon. Imagine driving from LA to SF on Labor Day weekend - it's horrible to begin with - then add on stopping two or three times to fill up the electrics. There is a great KZitem of people waiting at a Tesla supercharger station off of I-5, the line is TWO MILES long!! They guy doing the video said it took him 30 HOURS for the complete drive!! I'd open a vein ... granted the traffic on that stretch is really bad to begin with, a normal 5/6 hour drive can be 7/8 hours with one potty stop (kids and dogs). But my PB F150 has the range so I don't need to stop if I can help it ...
@jimbob1096
2 жыл бұрын
@@herb7877 well said
@JK-lq3wh
2 жыл бұрын
You should be doing the electric reviews for this channel. Your simple paragraph is more informative than this video LOL.
@lego4virgo
2 жыл бұрын
Though that may change when there are situations that cause oil prices to rise and subsequently the price at the gas pump to increase.
@VishnuKamath
Ай бұрын
When i had Tesla, i didn't worry much about charging costs but after moved to Mustang and EA the costs are up through the roof. It is only economical when charging is done at home or on L2.
@rolandgodwin2882
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I have seen a charging session go right yet. Too many aggravations for me.
@1slyboy
2 жыл бұрын
Tesla network is much better. I agree we need to see more improvements and reliability
@naf2579
2 жыл бұрын
Cart before the horse. I keep having to remind myself this is first gen, things will improve eventually. These are city runners, not road trip vehicles.
@jimbob1096
2 жыл бұрын
New tech should be better then old tech. Not have deficiencies that these cars have and just try to pass it off as its a first gen. Thier first gen battery should outperform an ice car to make it acceptable to people.
@ronaldking1054
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimbob1096 To get the energy density, it would need a 600% efficiency increase over a tank where you throw away 60% of the fuel in the tank. What's worse is that this is exactly the range that automotive companies sold to people that got your infrastructure to the amount of gas stations it is today, but hey, your truck shouldn't exist by your own logic. I guess there needs to be a condition that the technology is something you accept rather than how good it is.
@swpski
2 жыл бұрын
We've road tripped in ours. It worked fine.
@naf2579
2 жыл бұрын
@@swpski I'm sure it worked* But your not going to catch me sitting in a parking lot to charge for half an hour.
@johnvtram
Жыл бұрын
Try driving from Toronto and go around all cold cities to Vancouver and tell us how hard it is during winter. The heat and snow makes evs less reliable and more harder to do long trips..
@laura-ann.0726
2 жыл бұрын
As a point of comparison: in this road test, the driver was averaging 2.2 miles / kw-hour. In my Prius Prime, in EV mode, I average about 6 miles / kw-hr on city streets, or 5 miles / kw-hour on the freeway at 55 mph (I never drive faster than 55 in EV mode; the battery range falls off to less than 4 miles / kw-hr at 65 mph). These numbers do NOT include running the a/c or the heater: the heat pump compressor motor draws 2.5 kilowatts, and in the Prius, that cuts driving range by another 40%. For a vehicle as big and heavy as the F-150 pickup truck, with it's very high aerodynamic drag coefficient, 2.2 miles / kw-hr is pretty good. On city streets at slower speeds, I'd guess the Lightning might be able to get 4 miles / kw-hr. On this road trip, the driver spent $80.25 for 237 kw-hr: that's 33.86¢ / kw-hr. At home, here in Sacramento, CA, our power company has a discounted rate for homeowners charging EV's: between midnight and 06:00am, in summer, it's 11.5¢/kw-hr, and in winter, it's 9.5¢/kw-hr. So if I owned this truck, charging it at home, 237 kw-hr would have cost $22.52 at the winter rate, or $27.26 at the summer rate. In a regular gasoline version of the F-150, at 18 mpg and gas costing $4.75/gallon, this 470 mile road trip would cost $124.03. So, bottom line, if you can mostly charge at home, or maybe on free public chargers if your town has any, the F-150 lightning will cost a lot less per mile for "fuel" than the gasoline version. But, if you need to tow a trailer, electric trucks get drastically less range than gas or diesel trucks. And I don't know if there's any way to fix this problem using 2022 battery technology. A lithium battery pack that would be large enough to power an F-150 Lightning for 300 miles, while towing a 5,000 pound RV or boat trailer, would be impossibly heavy (6000 pounds at least), and it wouldn't fit under the bed of the truck. For heavy towing and hauling, EV trucks aren't ready for Prime Time yet, and they won't be until some new technology can increase battery energy density by at least a factor of 5. If that's even possible.
@mattgrant2646
2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason Nissan Leaf owners call their range meter the 'Guess-o-meter' !😄
@halsnyder296
2 жыл бұрын
Everything I’ve seen indicates this truck would be an almost perfect vehicle for me. Sufficient towing and range, just lacking in bed length. I live on Hawaii (Big Island), so it’s range works
@ferrisr
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't electricity super expensive on Hawaii? I guess gas is too. (note: I'm pro-EV, just curious on the operating costs for somewhere like Hawaii where electricity is at a premium)
@halsnyder296
2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrisr I live in the country… not only is electricity super expensive, but they can’t even maintain consistent voltage out here. So I can’t recommend electric anything to anyone, unless… We are working on going totally off grid with a large solar array. At that point an electric vehicle becomes optimal. I can reach and return from anywhere I would take the truck too. Without solar… horrible idea, existing power lines can’t handle people having many of them out here. Awful infrastructure.
@theeagle1967
2 жыл бұрын
Be advised when towing the milage is actually about 85 miles per charge.
@anthropicandroid4494
2 жыл бұрын
It could very well be, if you have cheaper electric than the Bay Area and have a garage you have permission to re-wire... the lack of long distances would make it useful!
@neutrino78x
10 ай бұрын
@@ferrisr "Isn't electricity super expensive on Hawaii?" They're working on that. One of the most promising technologies for Hawaii is Ocean Thermal. It generates energy via the difference in temperature between the surface and the deep. Far away from the equator it wouldn't work very well, but in Hawaii, the water is warm on the surface. It would also work great in Puerto Rico. Also, on the Big Island, they have have a huge geothermal source. But all the studies have determined it would be too expensive to run a cable right now.
@timgurr1876
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the info. I remember doing a road trip back in the 70’s when gasoline was in shortage. One never knew if there would be gas at the next gas station or even how far away the next gas station might be. It was a little hectic. At least today technology is able to help us locate the next EV fueling station but there are problems with the EV fueling network having problems and not working properly extending EV fueling times. I think EV’s are great, but I don’t think the world is going to end in 30 years if we are 100% EV. Hopefully, battery technology will improve and battery prices will decline. Otherwise, the cost of moving into EV technology for transportation will be difficult for many. Can be a headache wondering it you are going to make to the next charging station.
@dracodrake45
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly if they developed a nuclear battery of some sorts that would be a game changer or hydrogen ICE engines but we'll see. I personally don't like how the government wants to flat out ban ice engines rather than give companies incentives to actually develop EV technology organically
@TJW68
2 жыл бұрын
Remaining battery is like your fuel gauge. It should be on the main driver screen AT ALL TIMES.
@rcsontag
2 жыл бұрын
That 470-mile trip in my 2017 EcoBoost F-150 Lariat would have cost less than $75.00 with no stops for fuel - saving over two hours.
@scruffy4647
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your over the road charging feedback. Headwinds, towing, elevation change has always been known that it would reduce range. It does it on ICE vehicles. There's no surprise there. Ford is almost first to the EV pick-up market. That's fantastic. The other legacies are not far behind. Not including the cyber truck, Ford has a chance to really improve on the items that they can act upon right now. From viewing others post about the truck, there seems to be a common thread about the driver's information screen and touchscreen being cumbersome. A huge portion of the EV experience are the screens. I don't know but that seems the lowest hanging fruit to easily improve. That false charge door on the passenger side could be made functional so you have the option to charge from either side and if available, use both ports simultaneously to charge which should lower your charge time in half. I think all these EVs are in lockstep with batteries and charge time. Things will improve but do the stuff now that doable.
@ismaelcarrillo3956
2 жыл бұрын
The charging system cannot handle more than 170kw.
@barrythehatchet1380
Жыл бұрын
In my mind, there is only one EV on the market and it is a sedan: the Lucid Air. 520 miles is the MINIMUM I will ever own a vehicle. I wouldn't own a ICE vehicle with 300 mile range and I can easily fill up in minutes. I want a vehicle that can take me places... crazy, right?
@barrythehatchet1380
Жыл бұрын
Not only do they have the longest range, they have the fastest charging.
@sctexan5392
Жыл бұрын
Also another issue seldom addressed , the charging by time not volume. That sucks. Plug into a suitable kw charger and getting only half output, or less, not me. Thats some state laws that have to change.
@Chuck_Carolina
Жыл бұрын
Try the same trip without the cover and tailgate. Ford always said that removing the tailgate was not necessary with their trucks. I tend to believe them, but I would love to see you debunk the tailgate myth.
@citizentex5720
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand this. Every trip has to be planned down to the stops. Charging is wonky and takes a long time. I don’t want people around me not holding the touching all controls on their vehicles. The cost of the truck is outrageous (never factored in to cost per mile). Towing or carrying loads destroys range…. I love TFL but these electric vehicles are poo.
@ferrisr
2 жыл бұрын
The planning aspect is only in areas with spread out chargers. On the east/west coasts, there are many more chargers, and you don't need to 'pre-plan' as much. As more stations go online, even less planning will be required (NY state is in the process of redoing all highway rest stops and putting DC chargers in at all of them, for example). A lot of times, the stops coincide with meal breaks anyway. I find that 40 minutes is just the right amount of time to use the rest room and grab a quick bite to eat. So I just plug in before doing all of that, rather than doing that and filling the gas tank as two separate steps. In my experience, it's really not even that noticeable of a delay until you hit the point that you need to stop and charge at least 3-4 times in a single day. Most people driving trucks aren't towing all of the time. Those that are probably are buying bigger trucks anyway. No, the Lightning isn't good for cross country towing, but for the use case of a lot of truck buyers, they're great. No vehicle is a one-size-fits-all proposition, EVs included.
@bobqzzi
2 жыл бұрын
All about the use case. Would I buy an electric truck if I did long distance road trips more than occasionally or towed more than around town? No I would not. If I worked construction in my local area? Yes I would. If I just liked pick-ups and wanted to daily drive one? Yes. ICE trucks have much better range (especially when towing), and are slightly cheaper. Those are there only advantages.
@ferrisr
2 жыл бұрын
@@bobqzzi yeah, and if you are regularly doing long distance towing, for example, then you probably aren't buying an F-150 anyhow
@donhappel9566
2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrisr You really take 40+ minute breaks for food when on road trips? Who does that? Pretty sure the drive-through was literally invented for exactly this reason - when on a road trip you want to keep moving and NOT stop for extended periods. Same thing for people working - you don't have time to go take an extended lunch break and charge at the same time; you either bring something with you, skip lunch all together, or just grab something fast and keep moving. I don't hate EVs and really wanted to order the Lightning for my next truck but it simply can't handle day to day much less road trips and towing for me. Ended up going with a Chevy (despite my dislike of the brand) 3.0 duramax. 30-31 mpg on the highway in a full size 4x4 truck
@ferrisr
2 жыл бұрын
@@donhappel9566 what can’t it handle day to day? You drive more than 200-300 miles per day? Otherwise you just charge at night when the truck is sitting idle. You waste time stopping at gas stations on normal work weeks? Who does that, my vehicle is ready for me every morning when I wake up
@Danzilly
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed Andres powerboost it seems to have the most utility! The lighting is neat but seems to be frustrating trying to charge it!
@mowcowbell
2 жыл бұрын
It's only frustrating at some public charging stations. For everyday driving, it's extremely simple to charge at home, and much less expensive than gasoline.
@anydaynow01
2 жыл бұрын
@@mowcowbell Agreed, for suburban dwellers this is the way to go definitely, things get a bit sketchy once you get out to the rural and urban areas though. Maybe if there were more chargers in parking lots in urban areas, they don't even need to be crazy 350kW jobs, just having a bunch of decent level 2s at public parking areas where the car will sit for hours anyway while people shop or visit a park and a quick 20 min charge isn't needed.
@shitloveaduck
2 жыл бұрын
The Lightning isn’t the issue. It’s the charge stations.
@Team_Trade_Down
2 жыл бұрын
@@mowcowbell Little known fact. Over 50-55% of the US population lives in either a condo, townhome, apartment or rental home. Those do not have home charging, so they have to rely on public charging. If we want more than 50% of the vehicles on the road to be EVs, longer range vehicles AND better fast chargers are going to be necessary.
@CrankyOldNerd
2 жыл бұрын
I guess I've been really lucky or CO sucks for maintenance. clearly there are issues because TFL isn't the only one documenting it. Here in NC and on the one big roadtrip down to FL i've done in the four months I've owned a non-tesla EV I've had no problems charging on EA. Tesla's network was super reliable though, did probably 15k miles in roadtrips over the east to midwestern US and never had a problem. If they go CCS will solve most of that.
@stever6773
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I love about my Tesla is I pull up to a Supercharger, plug-in and I am good to go. After this experience, I can't Imagine having to go through the gyrations you did to get the station to charge.
@johnkorte1890
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine taking a family of 5 on a road trip vacation in one of these things. Nope. Thank you Andre for showing us all how miserable it would be.
@djmasterty2309
2 жыл бұрын
0:23 that was awesome! I really like trains a lot also.
@michaelbenoit248
2 жыл бұрын
If this had been a traditional truck I’d be back on the road by the time that truck started charging. Diesel Hybrid!!!
@dalejones4322
2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. I like the idea of electric vehicles but there sure is a lot of room for improvement. Thanks for all these great videos. I know you get a lot of hate for them but there are plenty of us who appreciate the information.
@mikej5959
Жыл бұрын
I just dont know why we didnt push Natural gas and Hybrids more, especially hybrids. Idk why All electric is the only way it seems to be going. Diversification should be the future... That tech is here and proven. I really like the idea of hydrogen cars as well with combustion engine. Although I dont know the maintenance on those on the few examples that exist.
@dalejones4322
Жыл бұрын
@@mikej5959 I agree with you about the hybrid thing. From what I understand the hybrid systems costs are more because you have two drive systems in the car, gas and electric. That doesn't seem to be an issue though because battery prices are so high and generally electric vehicles are just as expensive as hybrid systems. So I am at a loss just like you
@SubTroppo
2 жыл бұрын
I am reminded of the Bluetooth, or is it the whatever app.on my phone that stops for no particular reason and causes me to spit feathers when I am doing nothing as stressful as re-fueling on a road trip. It is one thing for people to lie to you, but when the technology you've bought with you hard-earned starts to lie to you...
@arisenkaliaxis
2 жыл бұрын
My brother has a Chevy Bolt EV and loves it but his biggest gripes is all charging issues. Unlike Tesla who has its own efficient charging infrastructure other EV car companies have to rely on outside charging companies like EVgo, Charge Point, Electrify America etc. The problem is these charging companies have different rates some cost more than others. Sometimes they don’t operate and are very buggy. Sometimes they are all occupied and he has to spend time looking for available charging stations. At home when he charges over night he only get 40 miles. Free Charging stations like at the mall or grocery he only get 20 miles an hour. Fast charging option (hour to hour 1/2)can range from 30-50 dollars. 3 -4 hour charging option can cost 15-25 dollars depending on how long he charges. It’s kind of a pain in the ass.
@052188joseph
2 жыл бұрын
I guess on a trip your time doesn't really cost anything.... this is what i've seen on other EV channels, usually the charging stations are the headache.
@siraff4461
2 жыл бұрын
Go right now and stand in a random car park for an hour. Then a couple hours later go do it again. Trust me it gets old real quick.
@shaynegadsden
2 жыл бұрын
Time is the most important thing you have
@supersin22
2 жыл бұрын
Great looking truck, would love to see if range increases with less aggressive off road tires. Love the truck tho would love to get one.
@gmv0553
2 жыл бұрын
Tires make a big difference!
@swpski
2 жыл бұрын
I've got it with the all seasons. Through hilly adirondacks/upstate NY we were seeing 260 mile range on the highway going 70-75mph
@dontezcristol3017
2 жыл бұрын
Good looking it looks like all the others! 😂
@NoShadowOfDoubt1
Жыл бұрын
You might want to register with an online college for all time you can do while waiting to charge your clean energy vehicle
@oldman454
2 жыл бұрын
If I'm going to spend $100,000 on something it's going to be something I'd like give it a couple years and see what the resale value is 😳🥺
@stog9821
2 жыл бұрын
So, about a $50 roundtrip savings over the hybrid truck and a lot more grief, plus the Lightning cost $30K more. The savings are probably better just driving around town and charging overnight at home, but still you don’t buy these for the economics but for the cool factor.
@ronaldking1054
2 жыл бұрын
No, a dealer did a Powerboost with the features compared to the trim level, and no, it's not $30k more. It is $5k more for all the options one must take on the 3rd trim up to make the trims between the two trucks have the same options. That Powerboost also cannot get 9.6kw onboard power. It's also the 3rd trim up so one need not buy the 3rd trim up, but amazingly that is the price quoted to make it look bad.
@openmind6969
2 жыл бұрын
the power is just not comparable to a hybrid though.... should be done apples to apples. Compare to Raptor, but yes definitely for road trips its not worth the savings
@ronaldking1054
2 жыл бұрын
@@openmind6969 Yes, but then again if you do apples to apples, you are buying 2.5 times as much fuel to do the same amount of work. You are also using a dedicated, scare resource that you have decided is worth throwing away. That should make a difference too.
@josephpio159
2 жыл бұрын
Go TFL!
@jerryumfress9030
2 жыл бұрын
From what I've learned so far about evs, you have to have pretty deep pockets to even purchase one new (NEVER BUY A USED ONE). They talk about saving the planet, nope not gonna happen. There's a mountain of too many unanswered questions. I've seen the videos of the ev busses in France exploding one after another. Ev motor scooters, cars, ect...most fire departments around this great country of ours are not even equipped to fight an electrical fire of an ev, and once they ignite, all one can do is stand back and watch the fireworks, and watch as those chemicals pollute the Atmosphere
@anderander5662
2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine being nervous all the time worried you're going to run out of juice.... I fill up when I get to a quarter tank because I don't like that feeling of constantly checking the gauge
@jaymontange8260
2 жыл бұрын
Working on solar pv for house and 19.2 kw capability this levels the playing field a little. I want a Lightning but lost my edge with dealer as I’ve traded brands. Maybe in two or three years
@mukwanofred9147
2 жыл бұрын
Thank Andrey for the video, I think some ev still have challenges with charging time. Though I had a rumour that very fast charging spoil batteries faster. Don't know whether true
@carl8790
2 жыл бұрын
Fast charging does affect the overall battery health, but it's minimal. Ford gives you a 8 year or 100k miles warranty on the battery.
@mukwanofred9147
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@starastronomer
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It reinforces why I LOVE my GASOLINE ⛽️ engine driven car! No way am I going to waste time "recharging" when I can refuel in minutes and be on my way. When you look at the higher initial cost of an E vehicle it's a no brainer, GAS ENGINE!!!
@samusvi2693
2 жыл бұрын
the truck they were supposed to meet was running late from charging lol this vid is over the top funny
@n411xbushpilot
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see your report on the Electric F 150 might be nice for your location but I think you should give it a Try in Alaska were I live today it is -15 and if I drove 400 miles North it is -45 might be a Block of Ice on the side of the road and A big tractor trailer truck might run right over you.
@lancemiller9110
Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see mobile charging stations for tractors, combines, swathers, dozers, loaders, skidsteers, telehandlers, etc. This equipment never leaves the damn field until the job is complete! They only return to home is for storage or service. Couldn’t imagine driving a combine home every evening to recharge. We’re not ready for this yet.
@DaileyWoodworks
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll keep my simple 2012 truck. Thanks. There’s to much going on to get from A to B for me
@trkn5681
2 жыл бұрын
$81,000? Money you save on fuel can be applied to truck payment.
@SlowPCGaming1
2 жыл бұрын
Neat how the music at 21:13 has at its root "we're having a heat wave" the basic rhythm for the tune. People thought I was loopy for listening to music from the 1930s. Can the LED trim in the front be turned off during the day? Just shortening its life with no benefit.
@jerryfarmer5989
2 жыл бұрын
From Boulder to Trinidad and have to stop to "fuel up". Hm I could see that in something that gets lousy mileage like a '69 440 Road runner. My old '79 D150 would do that on 1 tank with juice left, but it has dual tanks also. Honest showing for sure. But after having to stop takes away from road time I'll take gas. The grid and distances aren't ready. Plus seems to me a little safety issue with looking at and pushing buttons on a touch screen while traveling at 70 mph on a highway. A tad distracting.
@davidk5242
2 жыл бұрын
I find it amazing how many people use their pickups for cross country driving and or towing large loads 200+ mile. Weird that I see so many putting "stacks" through their beds, jacking it up and putting super wide low profile tires on them! Seems all detrimental to obtaining maximum fuel efficiency and keeping the cost of the vehicle down!?!?
@VolkFolk11
7 ай бұрын
They should have a little light in the gas filling area. Especially with a plug
@SHUB281
2 жыл бұрын
Just made a round trip Kansas to Los Angeles. Didn't see one of these along the way 🤔
@markwitkop7022
2 жыл бұрын
I may be a little off in my thinking. However, If I ever get a EV, I am planning on carrying with me a LP powered generator. There are generators on the market that produce 240v at 50 amps. Runtime is 12 hours. The cost for useing that generator compared to plugging in to a charger, is minimal. and it comes with me for use ANYWHERE. Untill the infrastructure catches up with the demand, I personally think this is a workable solution. LP combustion produces 2 main componets. Co2 and water. The electricity you use has to be made somewhere. Might as well be at a time and place of your choosing. And, I am speaking of while travelin on vacation. Not in the home area. Where i would think that most would invest in solar, and batteries to charge their vehicles. So the carbon footprint would be quite small.
@fasteddie7376
2 жыл бұрын
I fill my 2018 Mazda3 Gt in about 3 minutes with regular unleaded gas, spend about 30 bucks, and get about 380 mile range on the city, and 450 miles on the highway on average. Gas is still the way to go.
@rmkep
2 жыл бұрын
Cybertruck plus Supercharger network will address many of the noted issues. That said, Cybertruck is an indeterminate period of time away and, it's battery/charging tech are TBD. I'm still holding out for the CT as my next vehicle but then, I'm not a traditional truck buyer.
@scanadaze
2 жыл бұрын
My land from here is 14 hours. With gas fuel ups. One way. I have the 2020 F150 XLT Ecoboost with toe package. 36 gallon tank. Over 600 miles on one tank. For an example. I can go the full length of Nebraska on I80 and never stop. Yet I don't travel as much as I did before 2020. From over 3,000 miles an mouth too just over 1,000 miles in an full year. First COV19 and now gas prices. Payments on the trucks are expensive enough. Time charging is stopping of buying one and distance travel of an 80% is stopping from buying one. My trip to my land would take me an easy two days to get there. It's do I want to slow down and whom cares how long it takes or just get there is the question I am personally playing with. Then the 5ft bed. I am over with the 5ft bed. It would be very hard to give up my 2020. It's fully loaded.
@noeldillabough
2 жыл бұрын
Eek add in Canadian winter with 50% range, just not ready.
@johnmuse6626
2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see 3-500 miles in town/city driving situations over a week or so. Most people aren't making 500+ mile round trips on a regular basis. I drive about 200 miles a week most weeks and have to deal with about 14 stoplights coming and going every day, sometimes more, rarely less.. What is the efficiency of it driving in those areas, where we do most of our driving, plus the cost of charging it over night at home vs using the stations? ICE vehicles are at their worst fuel efficiency in those situations where we do most of their driving.
@neutrino78x
10 ай бұрын
You're good, the range of this thing is like 250 or 300 miles depending on model. You take a week to go that distance so it's just a matter of which EV you can afford
@neutrino78x
10 ай бұрын
plus you can charge at home, most people would just do it that way.
@MrTidx90
Жыл бұрын
And this is why Ford is joining the Tesla supercharger network. Great Chess move on their part. Great video from you!!
@mnichols2773
2 жыл бұрын
The most common fuel is regular and at $3.50 a gallon that trip would cost $78.34. Why do I always hear electric is so much cheaper? Obviously not.
@2dthoughts
2 жыл бұрын
Won’t de be switching anytime soon if I’m going to spend the same amount of money on fuel and 10X as long filling up
@robertsneed827
2 жыл бұрын
Now we know why Gas has been intentionally pushed to $5/gallon, EV doesn't make any since at $2.50/gallon
@mattkeith530
2 жыл бұрын
CarPlay is supposed to support ev charging routing. Have you been able to get it working?
@kevinstonerock3158
2 жыл бұрын
I seriously doubt you need premium fuel for a hybrid. To confirm this open the fuel door to see what it recommends. It probably specifies regular fuel. Anything more is not only a waste of money it’s actually detrimental to the engine since it’s more susceptible to carbon buildup due to a slower and possibly incomplete fuel combustion.
@Pennychaser1
2 жыл бұрын
Charging infrastructure is the reason I went with tesla. Got two model Y Performance and everything is seamless. Of course supercharger network is getting crowded at some CA locations but worth it!
@TheMarijuanaTrench
Жыл бұрын
I can't understand a thing this guy says. But I 100% agree with him.
@Factory400
2 жыл бұрын
EV's are not great for road trips but absolutely amazing as a daily driver/commuter/work vehicle where you top off at home every nigt. The energy cost is a lot lower than the commercial stations on a road trip and you never waste time at a gas station. When the range is doubled or tripled....EV'S will be great road trippers as well even when pulling a trailer. Not there yet but progress is really moving forward.
@Timbucktoo32
Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure I'm getting the same truck. My plan is to only use Tesla superchargers. They are literally everywhere. Owning a Tesla and having used their chargers I can tell you it is a much more seamless experience. I don't have to hit any buttons or open an app Although I'm not sure what it will be like with a non-tesla
@mauriciocastro6363
Жыл бұрын
I changed my old V8 truck by a GMC Sierra 1500 with 3.0 Duramax (not hybrid) It's the best thing I could do, in the highway at 70mph I'm getting 29-31 mpg. In the city, around 23 mpg. I think I will wait a few years to see how these electric trucks go, they are too expensive for what you get. By the way the powerboost is not an hybrid truck, it works only at low speeds. In the highway I believe does not do anything for your mileage.
@patricklondon6006
2 жыл бұрын
All the Electfrify American stations I've ever stopped at didn't work as well as it did for you. At some none of the charge stations worked.
@xc7049
2 жыл бұрын
The price of electricity will go up as the demand for it goes up. There will also have to be road taxes and tolls added to the cost of driving ev's .
@deseremere
Жыл бұрын
$30 to pay for charging nightmares, started when it was still sun shining, ended at night - guess I will get a hybrid
@johnb8190
2 жыл бұрын
They really need to speed the charging up. That would drive me crazy to sit there for almost an hour just charging.
@franktoledo6342
2 жыл бұрын
Too much stress to get back on the road.
@Trutoke
2 жыл бұрын
You should do a realistic test by loading the bed with some weight, because nobody road trips with an empty bed, and it's a well known fact that weight will affect how far you can go. Ask any Tesla driver.
@mikej5959
Жыл бұрын
This is so convoluted. Even without charging issues. My parents couldnt operate something like this. Theyd be in the income bracket to afford something like it. Hell I could maybe afford a Lightning and I wouldnt want to deal with pulling out my phone every-time to fill up. I just want to swipe my card and go.Why cant they do that?
@lowellcrabb151
2 жыл бұрын
You show a lack of reliability in the charging stations. If you are going to use the time your truck is charging, you need to not have to worry about sudden disruptions at the charger.
@loucinci3922
4 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing
@openairokie
2 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely cheaper to fill up but with you’re cost of the vehicle and the inconvenience is it really worth it? Will it even be cheaper in the long run. Good I’m m not sure electric is the way
@georgewashington938
2 жыл бұрын
you can get a Honda generator and put it in the bed - that should extend the range and make the truck easier to live with
@joshua1462
Жыл бұрын
Ever notice the Main Stream Media never talks about the downside of EV's? Only great things. Even Consumer Reports limits discussion about resale value, what happens when the battery fails, how do these things hold up in the winter belt and is corrosive salt going to play a factor? What happens to an EV that sits in water after a flood? Has the Media ever shown what happens when EV's catch fire? Ask a Firefighter about dealing with a Lithium Battery combustion situation. Fire Departments are asking for more tax money to outfit their departments with equipment to handle these types of emergencies. Lots of unknowns and very little discussion.
@richardgall6110
2 жыл бұрын
Some have battery anxiety. I have dollar anxiety. $82,000.00 and we are talking about saving $6 bucks and wasting 45 minutes. How about $45,000.00 with no wasted time and no drama for $6.00 more? (Oh, also free potty and windshield supplies)
@kwlambright
Жыл бұрын
I fill my 22 Chevrolet high country 3.0 diesel for less than that and get over 600 miles per tank. No waiting and I know diesel is abundant because I make diesel at my job. Electric would be good for around town but it’s just not time for all electric yet
@kevinhoffman8214
2 жыл бұрын
the elec companies need to take over charge stations , have a lounge there to relax or eat while waiting to charge , could be an idea
@Maddog73
2 жыл бұрын
Wow my coyote I went 600 miles on 90$ in my f150 didn’t have issue with charging stations either
@rkgsd
Жыл бұрын
17:04 You're using premium gas in an engine that's engineered to run on regular under the common misconception that it means you're taking better care of it. The gas stations love the extra money you're giving them.
@tonycash8544
2 жыл бұрын
This is not a tradesman's truck. Truck is down so is the paycheck and costumer's that put food on the table. What kind of range does it get with 1500lbs in the box?
@tommccabe1019
Жыл бұрын
Never had that happen during my 5 minute gas fillup
@joshua1462
Жыл бұрын
My 2.7L F150 gets about 26 mpg without load about average 440 miles per tank. My truck cost a little over half of the Lightning. You have to drive that Lightning for about 60 to 70K miles to break even with the initial cost. How good will the battery be after 70k miles? Resale value anyone's guess. Lots of wealthy people out there.
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