Manwe only has wind powers, Sauron low diff him, Morgoth overkill
@megatron9439
9 ай бұрын
@@stfu8840 🤣 no. Manwe will destroy prime Sauron Low dif
@stfu8840
9 ай бұрын
@@megatron9439 what's manwe powers and abilities, Sauron would jus give him a ring and call it a day
@megatron9439
9 ай бұрын
@@stfu8840 what's Sauron powers? Mnawe has same powers but superior
@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
9 ай бұрын
@@stfu8840What the heck are you talking ? Any valar would smite sauron for he is only a maiar though the most powerful of that order of beings whereas manwe is the king of Arda ,lord of the valar . Only melkor at the beginning of Arda is more powerful than he .He is the equivalent of Zeus in might in Tolkien's legendarium ,not in character obviously .He is a being devoid of evil and ill-will unlike a certain lustful and impulsive monster
@WitanDaradok-eg8st
Жыл бұрын
W Sauron low-mid diffs at the worst mid diffs, Istari Gandalf the White wouldn't be a tough opponent for Annatar not mention weaker Gandalf the Grey, unlike Maia Olórin who I believe would give Prime Sauron a good fight, especially after returning to Valinor from his mission in Middle-earth
@TheDeviousBandit
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but Mairon would still win cause i dont think the power of Gandalf would change much just his physical body.
@WitanDaradok-eg8st
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDeviousBandit Of course Sauron is and always was superior to Gandalf even if they both are in prime using they full powers, Post LOTR Gandalf aka Olorin would take his true form in Valinor again without Istari body and power restrictions so he would have nearly limitless stamina like all Ainur, he would be able to use shape-shifting ability also he wouldn't have weaknesess like when he was Istar for example One Ring wouldn't affect Gandalf in bad way and wouldn't corrupt his mind because he's Maia without human weakness which he had as an Istar, both are Maiar and Maia cannot corrupt other Maia and higher beings like Valar, Morgoth could corrupt Balrogs by using his power because Balrogs were Maiar and he was Vala so Morgoth wouldn't be able to corrupt any Valar because technicaly they are the same being. Also Gandalf learned many things during his mission in Middle-earth, he learned basics of fighting mainly with using sword and he developed his great knowledge by traveling across Middle-earth so he overall become stronger and we know Olorin was the wisest and most knowledgeable Maia. Also Gandalf was student and one of the greatest servants alongside with Eonwe of the two most powerful Valar (except Melkor) so student of Manwe and Varda but he was more Manwe's student than Varda's so it means Gandalf was definitely much above average from all Maiar imo he was High Tier Maia so in the Second Tier after The Highest Maiar Tier in which Sauron should be. I would say Post LOTR Olorin is slightly more powerful than Gandalf the White also Gandalf probably take with him his sword Glamdring and Ring Narya (which should slightly enhance his power and help in fight) to Valinor so I think Prime Olorin would give a great fight to Prime Sauron but Sauron after all should win high diff after hard fight.
@TheDeviousBandit
Жыл бұрын
@@WitanDaradok-eg8st i totally agree with you yeah if we where to put some maiar in a ranking it would prob be 1. Sauron and eonwe 2. össe 3. Melian 4.olorin 5. gothmog 6. curumo 7. the balrogs 8. Radagast(dont remeber his original name)
@WitanDaradok-eg8st
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDeviousBandit I'ts hard to create list of the most powerful Maiar because we don't know how many was them compared to 15 Valar, I think the First would be Ilmare which you didn't mention, she was Chief of the Maiar together with Eonwe so they both had the highest rank among them, the highest in rank doesn't always mean the most powerful like Manwe was the King of Arda and not Melkor. Manwe and Varda are together Chief of the Ainur (Maiar and Valar) and Eonwe was student of Manwe and Ilmare student of Varda so they can be the most powerful from Maiar, you could argue that Sauron was the most same like Melkor because both hadn't the highest ranks but Melkor is confirmed to be the most powerful Valar and Ainur unlike Sauron/Mairon about which Tolkien didn't mention and confirm that he was the most powerful. Melian was nearly equal in power to Sauron and Osse was strong and powerful but not as powerful as Melian and Sauron. Saruman/Curumo which was close to Gandalf/Olorin should be over Gothmog, the others Balrogs shouldn't be included maybe except Durin's Bane because Balrogs were mostly Low-Mid Tier Maiar level so Gothmog as the strongest Balrog should be above average Maia beetween Mid and High Tier and Durin's Bane would be in Mid Tier and they both should be over Radagast/Aiwendil (Durin's Bane debatably) and Radagast is above all the rest Balrogs. Also I wouldn't include Radagast, he was probably the weakest from the Five Istari Wizards and inferior to Blue Wizards, sure he was above average Maia we know he was one of the best Yavanna students but his powers weren't much useful in the fight and overall, also they could be other powerful Maiar which I don't know about. And I forget about Arien Guardian of the Sun which also should be very powerful. My Top 8 list for this moment would be: 1. Ilmare or both Ilmare and Eonwe 2. Eonwe 3. Arien (very close to first two) 4. Sauron or both Sauron and Melian (they were nearly equal and they should be very close in power to Arien) 5. Melian 6. Osse 7. Olorin 8. Curumo (was slightly inferior to Olorin/Gandalf) Honorable mentions: Gothmog, Alatar, Pallando, Radagast/Aiwendil, Durin's Bane and there is much more Maiar about we don't know much or anything
@TheDeviousBandit
Жыл бұрын
@@WitanDaradok-eg8st ok yeah sry i forgot about ilmare but still i would Sauron on top or at least equal to eonwe and ilmare. Thats just my personal interpetation of the legendarium And sorry for my english.
@axelventura2881
Жыл бұрын
Low-mid difficulty: Sauron reaches his full power as soon as he puts on the one ring and holds it until the numenor falls. In this form he was virtually invincible to almost every being in Arda, excluding some divine entities: In fact he was more powerful than some Valar, Eonwe (who was the strongest warrior in Arda), and Morgoth at the end of the 1st age, in fact he was surpassed by Ungoliant, the mightiest Valar and Morgoth at his full power. Gandalf the Gray was the member of the Istari (Maia incarnated in old and therefore very weakened bodies), superior to beings such as Durin's Bane, Galadriel and even Gil Galad. But in this form his power was less than that of Sauron during the 3rd era (which varies from the fellowship of the ring to the return of the king, in fact during this he reaches a level that still ranks high among the common Maiar, hence > Istari ), and so it's not even a match for him. The only version of Gandalf that could at least stand up to Sauron at his full power, albeit narrowly is White Olorin: Gandalf the White>Which king f.p./ Saruman/ Bombadil, and was only inferior to Sauron during the return of the king with a power = Maiar, so in his common Maiar form he would reach a level close to that of Sauron during the 1 era.
@eternalmindblocks8359
11 ай бұрын
Timeless halls or cosmic soul sauron beyond negs
@taelorpickel2830
10 ай бұрын
That's not Sauron anymore in nature though. That's Mairon. @@eternalmindblocks8359
@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
9 ай бұрын
He is more powerful than morgoth at the end of the first age because morgoth exhausted and used his powers in a nonchalant manner to the point he was lesser than the greatest of the maiar like sauron and eonwe when he was once was the second mightiest being in all of creation
@AltaGamer98
2 ай бұрын
Sauron vs Gandalf the grey=Sauron low diff Sauron vs Gandalf the White=Sauron mid diff Sauron vs Olorin=Sauron high diff
@critanalysis9546
Жыл бұрын
Sauron low-mid diff imo
@mangekyou0g872
7 ай бұрын
Sauron spanks Gandalf with his own staff.
@meromer742
Ай бұрын
grey= low white = maybe mid
@conniemeerman2156
7 ай бұрын
Sauron is more powerfull but that lies elsewhere instead of battle In the books there are alot of examples of him being beaten by someone way weaker then him Same goes for morgoth Who was shook on the sight of tulkas even though tulkas is the lowest ranking valar Or fingolfin Who even if he was at his weakest dhould still be able to obliterate the elf
@Knightfall_Editz
4 ай бұрын
If it’s Gandalf The White: Souron wins Mid-High Diff
@Боромир
Жыл бұрын
Феанора нет в списке возможных бойцов, так как не понятно куда его относить, к героям или злодеям
@Gray_Wanderer1997
Жыл бұрын
Скорее 50/50
@LastDragonborn007
Жыл бұрын
Скорее 75/25 в пользу героя
@YuceKral-lc3yn
8 ай бұрын
Yes I know this is question feanor and feanor sons story of anti hero.
@Gandalf338
Жыл бұрын
Sauron high diff
@-rage-blackout9145
Жыл бұрын
lmao no. Sauron low mid
@maxxkatovitz8623
Жыл бұрын
@@-rage-blackout9145Prime Sauron lost to an elf and a Man. Any wizard would be a big problem for him.
@-rage-blackout9145
Жыл бұрын
@@maxxkatovitz8623 Sauron is Sauron. Get back to work.
@taelorpickel2830
10 ай бұрын
@@maxxkatovitz8623 You haven't read Akallabêth have you? Nor have you read Tolkien's letters. Let me educate you. Sauron was prime before the events of Akallabêth, which was the fall of Manwë and remained unharmed. Gandalf the White, in the Third Agwe, has said more than once, that Sauron was mightier than he, and this was speaking of a far weaker Sauron than the one present in the Second. "He was defeated by a man and elf in his peak" same man and elf were the mightiest warriors of their time and fought a recovering Sauron who just got obliterated by Eru Himself. So no, he wasn't "at his prime", he was defeated after a miracle intervention.
@DFK_Edits
7 ай бұрын
Sure, Gandalf is my fav character from Hobbit and LOTR yet sadly loses to Sauron
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