Thanks @nascompares for hosting this Q&A. I fully appreciate all the comments about the hosted UI and we absolutely understand that they come from a good place. Creating a local UI option in the future to supplement the always-available TrueNAS UI/CLI is something we can do after we release our 1.0.
@MobiusGT
Ай бұрын
Any chance wifi will ever be supported? I know many users are vocal about wifi being stupid but it would be a HUGE QoL improvement for both anyone i would setup a hexos nas for and myself. For anyone wondering why anyone would want this. 1) These machines can get very loud, having the flexibility to place the nas in a room without much traffic or existing network infrastructure would help. I sure as hell can't convince someone to run an ethernet cable into a different room when everyone is so used to the convenience of wifi 2) Casual users that just backup files in the background or watch a few streams on plex have more than enough speed via wifi. 3) When reusing old hardware to build someone's first nas it just feels bad to have wifi hardware and being told no you can't use it.
@jdberdugo
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon very happy to see you're very receptive. Best of luck, hope I'll be a client of yours.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@jdberdugo Thanks!!
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@MobiusGT You desire and reasoning are sound and frankly, this isn't the first time I'm hearing this request. ;-) The real issue here is support. Most users already are using a device to connect to their server over a wireless network. The server just happens to be wired. But when BOTH devices (the client and server) are wireless, the chances of running into problems become much higher. Then the server/NAS vendor feels like they are on the hook to diagnosing and debugging individual wireless network issues that users have. This is honestly more work from a public relations/support standpoint than putting the actual components into the OS to support it. The bigger challenge for us is that we would need TrueNAS to add those components if we were going to do this. So to answer your question directly: I don't think we would be able to do anything with WiFi before 1.0. It will just complicate our journey at too critical of a stage when delivering base functionality is the most important. But know that you have an advocate in me for wanting to see this work so I will look for opportunities to address this in the future, as challenging as they may be.
@TommyThousandFaces
28 күн бұрын
@@MobiusGT They have no control whatsoever on the true operating system underneath, Truenas. They just got help from them to create a simplifed GUI. So Truenas will have to implement wifi compatibility.
@DarrenReidAu
Ай бұрын
When your hosted UI goes away/decommissioned/is down, people lose the ability to manage their device? Hard pass.
@cameronfrye5514
Ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for doing the interview. I stopped at 12 minutes in though, a web UI is precisely the reason I no longer use PLEX. What is the purpose of self hosting if my services still rely on internet access? I live in an area that can lose internet access from time to time, self hosting insulates me from that. Looks like this one is off the table, I'll stick with TrueNAS. Thanks!
@APurpleSpy
Ай бұрын
Hoping they dont end up out of business before they can release a local UI because i can't support until it's available
@rustyshackleford7200
Ай бұрын
Yeah dealbreaker for me, for something this new expecting trust for the long run is a big gamble.
@wesmagyar
Ай бұрын
I'm an OTR truck driver and I have a small 6 Bay NAS in my truck for local media and paperwork and general file storage. And alot of the time I have no internet or bad internet. Also since I have cellular internet I have alot of issues with double NAT and carrier grade NAT so local UI is a must 16:10
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Interesting use case! Great feedback!
@seltonu
29 күн бұрын
Please make sure you have airtag/etc. trackers inside your NAS! I can't imagine keeping all my data in a vehicle, that's scary.
@wesmagyar
29 күн бұрын
@@seltonui have it set up to sync my important data with my unRAID server at home. And it's a semi truck. Not a pickup. Generally I'm either with it. Or it's parked at a secure location
@glendonh3711
Ай бұрын
For the target market he described, not allowing a user to add larger drives when capital becomes available is a disappointment, that matched drives requirement of truenas is a deal breaker for a lot of folks starting out.
@GavinHorst
Ай бұрын
The WAN show is going to be extra spicy this evening
@Mawson6492
Ай бұрын
I think linus will be surprisingly ok with the choices
@maikel3572
26 күн бұрын
I doubt Linus knows anything about how this ultimately would work. Not everyone is worthy of the trust me bro seal of approval.
@leexgx
24 күн бұрын
I doubt he will like the remote ui based access just asking to lose the whole pool because of remote compromised infrastructure
@droknron
Ай бұрын
My main concern with hexOS is what happens when my server is full? - With unRAID, Synology SHR or even a Drobo (RIP) I could just pull out the smallest drive and put in a new larger one and make use of that new space. With this being ZFS I would have to just keep adding drives? moving my server to a newer and larger chassis each time I run out of slots? - What if I start off with 4 x 10TB drives because that's within my budget, 5 years go by now the 20TB drives are affordable, I can't just pull out the 10TB drives and replace them? - This is what I think home users want, shove in any sized drive and use it. Having to only buy the same sized disks to me feels limited and too enterprise-like. There's a reason unRAID is still unbelievably popular today and its this flexibility. Also at 48:00 he mentions unRAID now has the array be a part of a pool and deactivated by default in unRAID 7 and he thinks this is indicative of them moving away from mixed drives. This is not at all true, if you speak to the unRAID folks this is all about providing flexibility. They want to be able to allow users to have multiple unRAID arrays (thus it becoming like any other pool which is not limited in how many you can have) and they have it disabled by default because they don't want to force users to need to make an array just to use VM's and Dockers, expanding the use of unRAID so it's not storage-first in its focus. He shouldn't be talking about the unRAID project if he doesn't understand what they're doing and why since he left them and is obviously very busy with hexOS to be able to keep up with unRAID properly.
@danieltwodevs
28 күн бұрын
Thx for the Video Guys! Really helped making the point for staying on Unraid for me :D
@ajv_2089
Ай бұрын
Was looking forward to this but after hearing about the hosted web ui, this not an option for me anymore. I don’t want to connect to ANY type of cloud. There needs to at least be an option to be local only
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Eric, myself, and the rest of the growing HexOS team are hearing this feedback, and we are already planning well beyond version 1.0 to accommodate suggestions. We are currently nailing down the fundamentals, and that is A LOT easier to develop via the hosted management, which can then be ported into local deployment. We cover this more on both Reddit and the TrueNAS forums. Thanks for giving us more feedback on this and I hope we can win you over!
@BobFace22
Ай бұрын
Agreed. Same reason I'm trying my hardest to find a Unifi alternative. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN ACCOUNT ON THE WEB TO USE SOMETHING LOCALLY. Even if it's only used for initial setup, it's an account I need to remember in case there's a breach one day and have to deal with all that.
@jdberdugo
Ай бұрын
The hosted UI is a dealbreaker for me. I have very reliable fiber internet. Never fails so I'm not afraid the internet will go down. If they get hacked/attacked or go out of business I cannot manage my server.
@Kirii86
Ай бұрын
Yes, that is a problem. "If the internet goes down and a drive fails, how would you know?" That does not sound like a feature to me.
@nascompares
Ай бұрын
That web managed UI is always gonna be the big hurdle for this platform, yeah. As I said in the vid, I agreed with 70-80% of the points Jon made about the web management.. but the sooner they get a local Hex management panel running, the sooner that they can overcome one of their biggest complaints from users
@chadkrause6574
Ай бұрын
Obviously this one isn’t for you then
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
We definitely understand this viewpoint. But with respect to the "if they get hacked/attacked" comment, what happens if any other OS provider gets hacked and you pull an update from them that has been compromised? Your vulnerability to the Internet exists regardless of a hosted UI/UX, and there are countless solutions out there that utilize a similar architecture. Plus the TrueNAS UI is always available locally as a fallback. And as I mentioned in the video, we would be open to considering a local UI for basic admin after we reach 1.0.
Ай бұрын
Same, HexOs is a no go for me, I had to setup NAS in the middle of nowhere with Internet connection that run at 2Mbps... When they works... It's really a platform created for online services and not for homeland users. Quite unfortunate, I was legitimately excited for that product
@mikechambers1875
Ай бұрын
Lost me on cloud hosted anything! Lifetime subscription is something that should be considered 1-2 years on. How will I determine value when i don't know how long the company will last (or me for that matter).
@bending-unit-22
Ай бұрын
"Everyone should have control over their personal data and privacy" they say and proceed with online only configuration UI :)
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
I fully accept this criticism. The marketing may have been a miss because our messaging is so nuanced. Data and privacy are always within your control on HexOS. The only thing we do is provide online management. The management plane doesn't directly expose your data to anyone.
@bending-unit-22
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon I wish you guys all the luck with the project. Some people would consider control plane sensitive too, so transparency on what exact details hosted solution sees would be appreciated (network config, users and share names, running applications, etc.)
@AdamLawler
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon I appreciate the nuance. Without seeing the EULA it's hard to verify, but online only also means data collection about many aspects of the system and it's use. It also opens up a security vulnerability. even if it is only the control plane, all data can be wiped using the control plane by destroying and creating new pools. Yes it is behind authentication, but there are CVE for everything eventually, and exposing your NAS to the internet at large never seems like a good idea to me. I'm excited to see where this goes, I have used freenas/truenas for over a decade, but a simpler thing will be nice for parents etc.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@AdamLawlerthanks for the feedback. Something that could change your mind is that we won't require full admin API access to your server after initial setup. More on this later, but we can take a safer approach post install/config. We also have committed to a local UI now. More info soon.
@Austin-xx2nu
28 күн бұрын
@28:00 So I manage a TrueNAS scale server for a church I attend. While I am comfortable administrating TrueNAS it might be easier for me to teach others how to administer HexOS. This is one example of where being able to import an existing truenas scale config into HexOS would be beneficial.
@hostile_1866
29 күн бұрын
I think it's great the OS focuses on it being easier for the end user. Allowing a outside connection on Unraid was a massive learning curve for me and its easy for something to break along the chain. That being said not allowing mixed disks seems to go against this ease of use. So it's not going to really please either group, which places it in a harsh middle ground. I'd be tempted to just pick one side or the other.
@nascompares
29 күн бұрын
To be fair, flexible drive deployment (in terms of long term stability and performance) is a big challenge to add, even if they were forking TN or building from scratch completely.
@hexos_jon
26 күн бұрын
@@nascompares Yeah, ZFS would have to add that capability natively.......hmmmmm................... ;-)
@ademkollari8992
4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the interview. I stuck with truenas for quite some time, but the learning curve amd tinkering took the toll. I am looking forward to this, hope to return to truenas.
@AwokenAssailant
Ай бұрын
I'm excited to try this out. The hosted vs. local thing is an interesting caveat, but I agree that in most cases you're going to be connected to the internet anyway. My only concern is about longevity of this company and what happens if they go under.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Another advantage would be our ability to provide system notifications out of the box as a function of you simply creating a HexOS account and registering your server. No setting up a custom mailbox, configuring SMTP settings, etc.
@CountZilch
Ай бұрын
lol. Very informative! Didn't have to reach the 15 min mark before realising I don't want anything to do with Hex OS :'D
@bryceswiggum336
Ай бұрын
The online only UI is a non-starter for me. Why I want a home setup is to not be reliant upon a company to maintain a working service and take it away, steal my data, or lock it behind a paywall in the future.
@bikerchrisukk
Ай бұрын
It looks like the intentions are pretty sincere, I do wish the best to them. I've used TrueNAS since 2024 (so 4 years) for business and personal, I think this has the right approach, and it's got a nice short name too.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Thanks!! We really do appreciate the support. The name is a hilarious story for another day. Let's just say that trademarking and securing a domain is not a fun exercise ;-)
@bikerchrisukk
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon You're very welcome Jon! I feel your pain around trademarking a domains, I provide Architectural services and yet I received a letter from a Netherlands based lawyer, acting on behalf of their component manufacturer client. They suggested that I was a similar company, but it was resolved by me simply repeating the description of my services, so weird!
@XDRosenheim
Ай бұрын
In regards to the online-interface, I just fear what will happen when HexOS's website goes down (for whatever reason) That is why I would rather want a LAN-first NAS.
@ghostbaleada
Ай бұрын
So, a home server OS to self host that has an online gui? What a world we live in. Guess I'll still use CasaOS on my Ubuntu Server machine and OMV in my NAS
@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt
7 күн бұрын
@@ghostbaleada I have a casaos instance running in an LXC container. It's super fun and simple to use. I think they did a great job on it.
@frankle_au
Ай бұрын
Local UI … well that’s what Linus one of your inventors wants for everything in his house … so maybe check with him soon …
@nascompares
Ай бұрын
Ouch!
@Neuzahnstein
Ай бұрын
Message from a other disscusion here from @hexos_jon "We definitely understand this viewpoint. But with respect to the "if they get hacked/attacked" comment, what happens if any other OS provider gets hacked and you pull an update from them that has been compromised? Your vulnerability to the Internet exists regardless of a hosted UI/UX, and there are countless solutions out there that utilize a similar architecture. Plus the TrueNAS UI is always available locally as a fallback. And as I mentioned in the video, we would be open to considering a local UI for basic admin after we reach 1.0."
@FangerZero
4 күн бұрын
Thanks for this interview! I look forward to where this goes live. I'm a developer and honestly I don't want to deal with figuring out NAS I have other things I prefer to spend my time on. Just wish this was already out since I'd like to build it out now, but again I don't want to figure it out.
@nixxblikka
27 күн бұрын
I was really excited for this project, however main driver for people doing self-hosting: Privacy. I dont want some cloud hosted UI. I mean its a small project, much love, but als small projects means higher risks for vulnerabilties. Thus I would just feel bad to have an open flank which can be attacked permanently. So yes, the same could happen with hacked Updates for TrueNAS, however these are due maybe 4-6 times a year and nor permanently. I would have gone the other way round: Have a local UI, and make it a paid hosted version for the ones who need it. I might consider this on my third or fourth nas in a separate DMZ for PLEX (aka data which can be encrypted)
@IntoxicatedVortex
29 күн бұрын
While I get the thinking of the hosted OS management rather than the local OS management I believe the reasoning to be highly flawed. The home user will generally *not* have the resources to deal with multiple failure. They rarely have 2 disk redundancy let alone hot spares for storage. So if I'm "here" now and the internet is down, it stops me putting back my redundancy. I need go out while that happens you can be losing *ALL* of your data. The priority, as I hear it, *ISN'T* maximising data protection, it's on being easier, and makes this a 100% no go. Ask the question… does the user want to prioritise their data and set up or that its a bit easier. I think it's asking for trouble.
@jeffcrowe4899
Ай бұрын
I was excited for this, but Ill just stick with unraid.
@Spirch
Ай бұрын
i'm at 11:52 so maybe there is something later on but for me, offline is a must, if offline is not possible this product is automatically out of my choice/option, anyway continuing to watch
@Spirch
Ай бұрын
i skipped a few question but yeah, sorry not a product for me. good luck
@devinbaines
Ай бұрын
Not at all happy that this proposed product is not 100% local. Probably will not use it as a result. Will wait and see. As a hobbyist, TrueNas Scale costs me nothing beyond my own hardware. They make their money on enterprise offerings. Will HexOS cost money? That web infrastructure cannot be free, I wouldn't think.
@nascompares
Ай бұрын
*Apologies* for my 'shakey cam' in the course of this Q&A. My primary camera during the recorded developed a fun framedrop periodically (likely the heat), so I had to revert to my backup camera that was mounted on the desk (rather than the wall bracket)! Still, better to have a backup than nothing at all!
@FrankDijkstra
Ай бұрын
It was probably the seagulls
@maikel3572
26 күн бұрын
I am sorry Linus I think you lost your money this time as this reads like a bad investment. To have to connect to your own NAS via some online hosted service is a no go for me and I think many others and just removes the purpose of having a NAS. Him explaining why they went this route and making up dumb excuses gives me bad vibes about future monetization. Also it looks ugly AF. What a disaster.
@Saazm
22 күн бұрын
RND on HexOS be like; We want a way to remote support our non-tech savvy friends that want a NAS, always forced to be online... We, the other 99% that tinker ourself goes "Wtf did you just say?"
@darth3pio
Ай бұрын
Our regional internet is slow af, the only reason I'm wanting to setup an easy to use NAS for less techie family members here is because local is faster than accessing anything over the internet, locallly hosted UI is critical for that. Pings back to any service tend to time out and if our local interface has to check upstream over a slow connection then that's adding significant lag and adding to a bottleneck for anything else that is purely cloud.
@TheSlayerN
Ай бұрын
I sort of agree with your answers given justifying your focus on a hosted UI at the expense of a local one, But, the number of times that Unifi, Plex, HomeAssistant, etc. have their hosted connection break for whatever reason temporarily is non-trivial. It's never an issue though because I can fall back to the local UI and not miss a beat. HexOS not being able to do that feels lacking. I'm still critical of the project overall, but most of that comes down app support. In my experience recommending NAS's, the appeal of the non-FreeNAS/TrueNAS operating systems like Synology, Unraid, CasaOS, UmbrelOS, OMV, etc. comes from their native app support being robust enough to spark interest for some use beyond "this is a place to backup your data". Will be interested to try out your beta when it launches regardless.
@hexos_jon
26 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Might have missed it, but we did confirm 100% that we are building a local UI. It won't be during the beta period, but it is planned for 2025.
@martyn334
Ай бұрын
oo my question got answered :P still not too sure on it >.
@darth3pio
Ай бұрын
26:07 It's in the username, Bendigo Councillor. The technical wizard for city council of Bendigo, Australia is perhaps hoping to add a useable interface for the non-techie employees of the city council of Bendigo, Australia.
@meptalon
Ай бұрын
I guess I won't be looking at HexOS at all. It's *my* server, *my* rules. I love unraid as it is plenty simple and offers defaults, but it never "corners" you into its own decisions. You can always proceed as you wish regardless. And no local web ui = bye bye
@MarcMcMillin
Ай бұрын
Why would I login to a "hosted" central area? Seems like taking a big step back.👎
@meptalon
Ай бұрын
same. I will NEVER choose a NAS system when I need to remotely connect to anything to make it work.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Eric, myself, and the rest of the growing HexOS team are hearing this feedback, and we are already planning well beyond version 1.0 to accommodate suggestions. We are currently nailing down the fundamentals, and that is A LOT easier to develop via the hosted management, which can then be ported into local deployment. We cover this more on both Reddit and the TrueNAS forums. Thanks for giving us more feedback on this and I hope we can win you over!
@DateVermeiren
9 күн бұрын
En el momento en que vi el bolso kislux , supe que tenía que tenerlo.
@IanBeato
15 күн бұрын
I really need to start setting up my NAS and can't wait any longer for beta access. If I set up a TrueNAS server can I migrate later to HexOS?
@TommyThousandFaces
28 күн бұрын
This representative can't even define what an operating system is, when the definition of it is very much clear. He's calling a UI an OS, it's like calling KDE an OS when it's clearly not. HexOS has no foundation to run indipendently of Truenas therefore it is NOT an operating system, therefore he's lying straight up. It was also never clarified if they're gonna keep up with Truenas with updates. Instead he went on saying they'll follow "stable releases" which we all know means being behind with updates. I'll keep this thing at arms lenghts at a minimum! Thanks for the Q&A, it really showed what kind of project this is.
@scottspringer6854
Ай бұрын
No mixed drives and non-local ui? Hard pass. I'll go with Unraid but best of luck to HexOS.
@edilsonpena8508
Ай бұрын
Really great videos. Now, I m getting a F4-424 PRO, i would like to ask you about capacity: -what are the max capacity for the nvme M.2 ssd, and what generations should it be, I m seeing to buy, gen3,4,5 and capacities from 500GB to 8TB each. What would be the largest capacity m2ssd that would be compatible/recommended for the F4-424 PRO? -Now, for the HDDs the compatibility is max 22tb for each HDD right?, -lastly are there some brands for HDDs and M2.SSDs better than others, which are the best ones? Thank you so much, and congratulations for the really best channel about NAS
@nokeo08
8 күн бұрын
Holy shit an online only UI. What an absolute brain dead decision to make on a product like this. I was really pumped for this until I heard this.
@AnthonyFrantz
Ай бұрын
He's got it backwards at the "why online?" portion. A local UI is far more important than a hosted UI. His reasons were not very good. There's a reason they want it hosted that they are not saying, in my opinion.
@floriantthebault521
Ай бұрын
Probably future subscription services.
@JaCkFlApPiNg
Ай бұрын
Was going to be pretty awesome, but without a local UI - Not valid for me. Would love to see Linus' thoughts on this :) The whole point of doing something like a NAS is to reduce your reliance on the cloud and it's even hosted within AWS - Lovely. There are some truly amazing NAS OS' out there that I honestly thought this would disrupt, but it's bringing in the complicated moving pieces of TrueNAS and all of the things it's trying to replace. OMV is probably the easiest of these that's truly free and Open Source, TrueNAS Scale is an amazing piece of software and Unraid if you're really all in on the NAS only thing. Synology and QNAP I think are sighing huge sighs of relief - I think Linus is probably going to have a hernia :)
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Eric, myself, and the rest of the growing HexOS team are hearing this feedback, and we are already planning well beyond version 1.0 to accommodate suggestions. We are currently nailing down the fundamentals, and that is A LOT easier to develop via the hosted management, which can then be ported into local deployment. We cover this more on both Reddit and the TrueNAS forums. Thanks for giving us more feedback on this and I hope we can win you over!
@SimonEgger
Ай бұрын
It’s a really strange decision to make it reliable on a webservice… Why even own a NAS when you need a webservice for it to control it? Looks like a really hard sell…
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
All of your data and privacy stays local to you and the entire UI and user experience for the less IT-savvy is better. No dealing with browser security warnings due to SSL connecting to a local hostname, no more DNS cache flushing due to IP address changes... Things that the IT-savvy are used to dealing with are real problems for newcomers. We solve for that with this architecture.
@SimonEgger
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon it sounds like you have set your scope very well. For me as a tech savvy person it’s just very hard grasp. I hope you succeed! It’s definitely a very different approach to homeservers! I will definitely keep an eye on your project!
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@SimonEgger Really appreciate the feedback. I know that selling this idea to an already savvy home server / NAS user is going to be tough, but that's also not really our intended audience. I think the IT savvy would likely set up stuff they are going to work with professionally in an office/data center environment. For people like you, I'm really not trying to convince you to be a user. I'm trying to convince you to recommend us to your non IT friends and family that you think could benefit from a home server. We offer a way for you to share the joy of self-hosting your data and apps without becoming beholden to provide tech support to them.
@Mystic.Q
Ай бұрын
i head from this lady that now no longer are you necessarily keeping those private files in some file cabinet thats locked in the basement of the house. its on your laptop and its then therefore up here in this cloud that exists above us, Right?
@praetorxyn
Ай бұрын
Great interview. I manage all my stuff with Docker Compose and have been planning a move to TrueNAS Scale whenever I build a NAS. I have a reverse proxy and a domain, no issue setting up remote access with Tailscale etc. I have not used TrueNAS Scale but I am confident I could learn it quickly. Would you say HexOS would be a good fit if I decided I just didn't want to bother with a lot of the grittier details? Though I ask this knowing myself and knowing I'd probably be getting my hands dirty anyway.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
That's exactly right. If you're comfortable with and enjoy tinkering with your server and learning all the ins and outs of RAID, parity, caching, network file sharing protocols, etc., by all means, set up TrueNAS SCALE! It's a great platform. If it wasn't, we certainly wouldn't be basing HexOS on it. But if you want something that removes a lot of the decision fatigue and stress of having to become an IT master, HexOS will be perfect for you.
@Glatze603
23 күн бұрын
I often do not understand what‘s the reason for some ideas… Most hobby homelab users don‘t like such dependencies, so sorry bro, I am out here.
@Sean-km7ht
Ай бұрын
Personally, I'm not too upset about the host UI if I can still directly access the trueNAS local UI. I do mostly agree with the sentiment that it would probably not be needed the majority of the time. With tech, I usually know enough to screw it up, and personally want a NAS OS with training wheels, so I feel like I fall in their target audience on that. I also like that it is targeting the lowest common denominator of people who would consider building or repurposing a computer as a NAS. I enjoy tinkering, but want to do that when I choose to, not because I borked a configuration or drive install as a newb in the topic. I do have a few questions that weren't completely answered. If my install is on a device with ECC memory, will it detect that and notify of ECC incidents? If I don't have ECC, will it recommend it but let me continue without? I have family that would allow me to keep my own NAS plugged in at their house, and I have an older (intel 6th gen) system I plan to repurpose for this. Rather than buddy back-ups, I'd like to know how will the web management handle 2 systems that are on different networks but owned by the same individual. Can I simply designate it as a back-up for the primary NAS and it recommend a set-up, will I need a curated app for it? Will support the ability to schedule power off/on times like many "off the shelf" NAS options within the UI? This would be something I'd like as there's not much point to my off-site backup running 24/7. With respect to offline systems, is the configuration saved in the host UI in a way that changes made while offline could be pushed once it powers on (scheduling an update or installing an app)? This is less important, but please tell me Plex won't be the only curated media server application. Having a default installation profile for Jellyfin and Embry would be huge.
@hexos_jon
26 күн бұрын
Hi Sean and thanks for your questions. The experience with ECC will be akin to that of SCALE. It isn't required, but if available, it will work exactly as it does in SCALE. As for buddy backups, when you own the system at both ends of the WAN, it just makes the entire thing easier for us, so yes, that scenario will be supported. I guess it's "be-your-own-buddy-backup" ;-). As far as app download requirements, there may be apps needed to power the solution, but the actual replication job from A to B will be managed through our UI directly. Furthermore if apps are required, they will be downloaded automatically for you as required. The issue with power isn't power off, that's easy, it's the Wake On LAN component that can be a little buggy depending on the hardware. Its something we don't currently have on the roadmap for 1.0, but I'd be willing to look into it after. Offline systems cannot be modified through our UI. Your server has to be online in order to use our UI....for now... This is actually an interesting idea that I need to give further thought. And no, Plex will not be the only app. We plan to have pretty much every app you would expect. Jellyfin is high on the list as is Emby.
@duelmonitor
Ай бұрын
If the UI is in the cloud, then you don't own it. At any time your servers could get shutdown, or the company sold, new management, and all your storage/data is then hostage to that company. It also open vulnerabilities because we have to worry about your cloud security.
@duelmonitor
Ай бұрын
You can "remote" the local UI to a hosted UI for those who want web simplified access (i.e. so no local DNS concerns and HTTPS access is provided by the hosting), where the hosted UI relays what the local UI has so it's only ever the local UI... the technical reasons you gave why it has to be hosted are NOTvalid. The main reason I could see hosted as being a potential downside is package control. This is where you can have the local reach out to the internet (ON USER REQUEST [or autoupdate setting]) so that the local package gets updated accordingly.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Eric, myself, and the rest of the growing HexOS team are hearing this feedback, and we are already planning well beyond version 1.0 to accommodate suggestions. We are currently nailing down the fundamentals, and that is A LOT easier to develop via the hosted management, which can then be ported into local deployment. We cover this more on both Reddit and the TrueNAS forums. Thanks for giving us more feedback on this and I hope we can win you over!
@duelmonitor
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon Of course I'd give you a trial if it has the local-only option. Keep in mind that a lot of us have local only cloud because we don't trust our data in the cloud under someone else's control. I appreciate having cloud access, but I want the ability to turn it off entirely, restrict it, and only turn it on when I need it. I don't mind a local server pinging home to fetch information about the latest versioning update/upgrade, but there's a big difference between doing a fetch of static meta-data you publish on your servers vs granting access to my system and/or data via the cloud.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@duelmonitor Nice! Keep in mind, we do not have direct access to read your data through this solution. It's management plane only. Your data stays local to you. You can also disconnect our access anytime you want. There are countless cloud-based solutions for management and monitoring out there, knowing that the same risks you mention in your original comment are present. There is a market for this, but I fully understand where the desires for local UI come from and again, post-1.0, we can do this.
@H0rnetz
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon You do not have direct access to the data, untill you decide you want to and update the code accordingly...
@haydenlong3764
Ай бұрын
Was going to watch until I saw all the comments about hosted UI… no longer that interested. A lot of people who have their own NAS is because they DONT want to rely on another company to access and configure MY OWN DATA. This is a dealbreaker for a TON of your early adopter audience. I can understand this being a more mainstream tool than TrueNAS… but getting off the ground in this niche market will be very difficult without the “techy family member” to suggest it. Edit: ty NASCompares for the interview. Not a ton of coverage of this topic.
@nascompares
Ай бұрын
Hey man, not to try and push you to watch, but the fact that your Q is in the vid (I remember your name, as when I read it aloud I was worried it was a joke name and I'd "owned" myself on camera) might be worth giving it a watch! Cheers for contributing your Q bud
@nascompares
Ай бұрын
In fact, now I remember, YOURS was the only question I fluffed up so much, that I needed to do a re take (you can tell, as it has a cut just before it)
@haydenlong3764
Ай бұрын
@@nascomparesim watchin it haha, comment was more just to underscore my disappointment with the direction of the product. Information straight from the yall is always better than the comments anyhow.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@haydenlong3764 Eric, myself, and the rest of the growing HexOS team are hearing this feedback, and we are already planning well beyond version 1.0 to accommodate suggestions. We are currently nailing down the fundamentals, and that is A LOT easier to develop via the hosted management, which can then be ported into local deployment. We cover this more on both Reddit and the TrueNAS forums. Thanks for giving us more feedback on this and I hope we can win you over!
@haydenlong3764
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon It really is the only hang up for me. I am strongly against this new age of having all software require an internet connection to be useable (I understand everything preconfigured will still work, but changing the configuration of my own hardware offline is needed to be considered useable). All your noted reasons in the video made sense, however Local UI is a must, if nothing else just on principle. I appreciate all the communication with the community. Once I hear it is available ill be rushing to your download page, until then I will keep my shoddy implementation of TrueNAS Scale lol. I wish yall the best, cheers!
@guyintheroom
Ай бұрын
As an experienced self-hoster who runs unraid, truenas and proxmox, I don't think I'm the demographic the HexOS team is looking for. But I do want to echo other comments and express that I don't think a cloud only UI is the way to go for a product like this. I respect the fact that the team is trying to make an easy to use product but I don't think exposing your UI like this is a wise thing for security.
@kingdraconias
29 күн бұрын
So I've watched all of the video, it looks like a few of my own questions weren't answered (I didn't submit any, don't have Twitter), but I am curious. @hexos_jon if you can I'd love to know the answer to my questions because I'm in the process of selecting my OS for a NAS I plan to build by end of the year for Plex, video editing, & storage/backup of personal media. Gonna be picking up a lot of stuff on Black Friday/Cyber Monday. 1. Will there be complete privacy of the data on the drives even with the online management UI or would you need to encrypt your drives to keep data private? 2. Will Da Vinci Resolve (free & Studio) or other video editing programs be supported? 3. Will you be able to configure 1 SSD be the boot drive, 1 be an L2 Arc cache/scratch drive, and then be able to configure the HDDs with a RAID pool+parity drive setup? 4. Is there a way to lower the power profiles to an optimal minimum if you're using hardware that ordinarily would suck up a lot of power to help lower the overall cost of running an always on NAS or will that just be something you bite the bullet on with your own hardware choices? (For example, I have a spare 3080 I intend to use for Plex transcoding & for video editing/processing to offload things from my gaming PC which currently basically pulls double duty, is there a way to use HexOS power profiles or something similar to help lower the power draw of the GPU?) I've been torn between TrueNAS & Unraid because TrueNAS seems/feels way too overwhelming to me and yet seems to have features I like while Unraid has to use a USB drive to boot which I really hate as a concept but seems slightly more user friendly when it comes to navigating how to setup stuff. HexOS coming along just as I'm gathering hardware & trying to learn what steps to take feels quite lucky, but I'm a bit nervous because of how new it is. Watching this video has helped me feel less nervous, but I'm still concerned even with your previous Unraid experience because new can easily mean new/unique bugs. I snagged a Plex lifetime license and have gotten far more than my money's worth by multiple orders of magnitude over the last few years since I got it, so I don't mind paying a lifetime license fee (though free is nicer since TrueNAS is typically funded by its enterprise clients). Just please don't make the lifetime license something like $300-$400 if you can, that's a major chunk of change for a lot of people. :)
@hexos_jon
26 күн бұрын
Hi there! Didn't see your questions but more than happy to answer. 1) The online management does not expose your data to our servers directly. API access only and btw, not full admin after initial setup/configuration, so all the comments about "HexOS gets breached, we lose everything," is not the case ;-). After initial setup, we will have our API access limited (no destructive capabilities). 2) "supported" is a tough word when it comes to 3rd party software. Generally speaking, if the software supports editing over an SMB network share, then yes, it should work. What I can tell you to build confidence is that content creators are a primary target for us, so making sure our solutions work with the most popular tools is important to our journey. Application-specific optimizations will be prioritized after base-functionality is all delivered. 3) Curious what gains the L2ARC is providing in your use-case. What's your local network look like? How many users? What apps or use-case are benefiting from the L2ARC? Generally speaking we feel a lot of the sub pool types for ZFS aren't relevant to home users/content creators. There are exceptions, but they are more rare, which is why I'm curious about your needs. We're working with iX and Klara Systems (Allan Jude) to create an optimal configuration for storage pools based on uses, so input here from you could be very valuable. 4) Power optimization is definitely something on our roadmap. It will have to come in a later phase after all we complete our initial feature rollout (setup, storage, folders, users, apps, vms, connections). I fully understand your concerns regarding a new platform. We intend to launch our beta for HexOS based on the 24.10 beta/rc train from TrueNAS, which means you will be reliant on both our beta management and TrueNAS SCALE's beta OS. So if that level of risk is intolerable for you, I suggest waiting at least until 24.10 stable drops, which is slated for October (www.truenas.com/docs/scale/gettingstarted/scalereleasenotes/). At that point, yes we will still be beta for HexOS, but based on stable TrueNAS SCALE, which should greatly increase your confidence level in the solution. That said, everyone has to decide for themselves on what risk level is tolerable for themselves, and I wouldn't be upset if you choose to go with another solution because we just weren't ready yet. As far as licensing, I think you'll like what we're doing. More to share in the weeks ahead...
@kingdraconias
26 күн бұрын
@@hexos_jon thank you so much for the detailed answers! I will try my best to help clarify things below to lend a hand. 1. Thanks for answering this! I have been very privacy minded for a long while now. I am a lawyer and although I don’t intend to use this NAS I build towards the end of this year for work right now, in the event I move on as a lawyer and start taking clients, privacy of my files will become even more critical than it already is for my peace of mind. I currently am in a position where I don’t take clients, but it’s nice to know my data would be secure and not accessible to anyone except those I permit access to. 2. With respect to Da Vinci Resolve, as far as I am aware of its capabilities, it’s compatible with FreeBSD & you can edit videos off of a networked machine with certain capabilities restricted to the paid version of the license vs the free version. I like to create videos of playthroughs of my games for my own enjoyment and to share with friends. It’s nice to know content creators are the primary target for HexOS. 3. My understanding of L2 Arc is that it would help when editing larger video files as editing a multi GB video file would be extremely difficult if done only on HDDs. Editing with the data running through the SSD helps both with smoothness of editing and eventually rendering and exporting because of the faster speeds. 4. I appreciate that power consumption is on the radar, especially if the idea is that people will resurrect old gaming rigs to turn into a home server with HexOS. Gaming PC parts generally take loads more power after all. I won’t be able to build my NAS finally until at the earliest in December. But I really appreciate the update on the timeline for expected release of the beta for HexOS. I wish you guys luck with everything and may all your bugs not create any new ones!
@hexos_jon
26 күн бұрын
@@kingdraconias No problem and thanks for the detailed information back. All very helpful in our mission. I've taken a note on your use-case and will bring that up with the team as we continue to refine our storage wizard approach. I too am a fan of editing game footage. Used to make montages myself back in the day. Believe it or not, clipchamp by Microsoft is not horrible! I mean, sure, it's still a Microsoft freeware essentially, but it's a lot better than that old Windows Movie Maker from years back ;-).
@kingdraconias
26 күн бұрын
@@hexos_jon you’re welcome! And speaking of details, I forgot a few with respect to 3. The only programs I would anticipate using an L2 Arc cache would be Da Vinci Resolve for faster editing, rendering, & exporting. I would be the only editor of the footage as I like to do it on my own as I can tweak things as I like. And I currently have my gaming PC placed right next to my future NAS, both machines will be hooked up to my gigabit router from my ISP using a 2.5G Network Switch (which I currently have already hooked up to my Gaming PC, NVIDIA Shield, & LG C1 with only my NAS needing completion). Both my Gaming PC (which currently also serves as my editing rig) has a 2.5G port on my motherboard and my NAS motherboard also has a 2.5G port which is why I went with a 2.5G switch despite only having gigabit internet speeds. It will help significantly with file transfers. I live in the boonies so while it’s gigabit and fiber, it’s still finicky a lotta times depending on weather unfortunately.
@joaomiguelxs
Ай бұрын
Many of us are working from home, this is a reality theres no working around. Overlooking this scenario is a huge downside imho.
@Finns-Projects
Ай бұрын
The online webui is really a big deal breaker. I understand it might be a easier sell to a more newish users, but what about the security?. If they have a security hole in the code that now effects me also. Witch can make it easier for a bad party to come in. And the points regarding a dead drive and when the internet is down, sadly sounds like marketing speak and not how ppl really deal with a situation like that.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
Eric, myself, and the rest of the growing HexOS team are hearing this feedback, and we are already planning well beyond version 1.0 to accommodate suggestions. We are currently nailing down the fundamentals, and that is A LOT easier to develop via the hosted management, which can then be ported into local deployment. We cover this more on both Reddit and the TrueNAS forums. Thanks for giving us more feedback on this and I hope we can win you over!
@DarkDeLaurel
Ай бұрын
Man this guys answers for Hosted vs Local UI are just pure marketing speak and non-answers. They are going to have to show how secure their side of things are, also the whole Plex model allows them to make this a subscription service or be like plex and revoke your access if they detect things they don't like. In an era of massive data breaches and user information being leaked like a sinking ship, this is not the great win they think it is.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
How so? Very open to debating this topic publicly.
@haydenlong3764
Ай бұрын
As much as I disagree with the idea of a Hosted UI, his answers made sense and werent non-answers. His answers were even pretty good, but going through a 3rd party to configure my own stuff is what ruffles my feathers.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
@@haydenlong3764 Thanks for that. I completely understand where you're coming from on this.
@ATLDreams
Ай бұрын
So just use TrueNAS Scale lol
@sprocket5526
Ай бұрын
no mixed drives? HARD PASS. I have perfectly good 3 and 4Tb NAS drives from WD and Seagate. only recently supplemented by a few 12Tb exos drives I got on a good deal. NO WAY I'll dumb those 3 and 4Tb drives. Its unnecessary E-waste and I'm not shitting gold either. At least now I know I dont have to waste time watching more youtube vids on this subject to see if its something I want to check out.
@protecteratr
Ай бұрын
Isn't Unraid the only OS that does this?
@haydenlong3764
Ай бұрын
Buddy, it is based on TrueNAS which doesnt have mixed drive capabilities. Idk why you thought it was an option with this.
@hexos_jon
Ай бұрын
There are a lot of sacrifices made to support mixing and matching drives. We'll be covering this in a future article on our site in more detail. Not saying it's an unvalued feature, but it is of far less value than having a fully native ZFS environment.
@protecteratr
Ай бұрын
@@hexos_jon Agreed ZFS trump's this in my mind. Sad but it is what it is.
@sprocket5526
Ай бұрын
Didn't know untill now, hence my comments.
@AndrewBawitlung
Ай бұрын
Ui/UX is so trash. I hope they will change it
@pascal789456123
12 күн бұрын
As a target user, having a truenas setup and having a hard time with backup setup and Plex / samba permissions and stuff. I am very excited for this !
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