I'm new with this technology and no know-how what-so-ever about HHO generators but I am very much interested, It took me sometime searching for videos to explain how neutral plate works and here you simply explained it so well that I understood it quickly. Thank you so much, kudos to you and keep on doing videos like this!
@bladeproject1
12 жыл бұрын
I run plus minus over 8 plates in my vehicle. My volt meter never seems to drop under 2 volts and max out at 30 amps. I use a stainless steel bucket as it syncs heat better from the water. It does overheat if i travel over 1 hour drive time and also starts drawing over 3 volts. Its when I turn it off. I use very little electrolyte. Sometimes I use tap water contaminants as electrolyte. Dont need much with plates in series. Great explanation.
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@TheJimmax Yes for this calculation you only use one side of one plate to come up with the initial number that gets divided by two. Also, yes, I have shipped products to the UK but it gets expensive. A typical dry cell or kit is $45.50 - $58.00 to ship overseas. On top of that different products get shipped from different vendors so it can add up.
@EisBlade
12 жыл бұрын
@Melvinizel Add more neutral plates between each + and - connection. While cars do run on 12 volt systems, the alternator actually produces about 13.8 volts with the engine running. Check yours. Based on an operational amount of 13.8 volts you would need 7 neutral plates which equates to 1.97 volts per plate. Excellent for HHO production and avoid overheating that produces steam. Use 6 plates if you prefer, but be sure to use a PWM as a control measure.
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@Dooobs You are correct, with 19 plates the configuration is +NNNNN-NNNN+NNNNN-. You have learned well young Jedi!
@gregsbest
10 жыл бұрын
thank you, very clear.
@nasir110875
11 жыл бұрын
so that is why my wire always getting hot, because my hho does not have neutral plate. thank you sir for the explanation.
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@TheJimmax Take the total exposed surface area of one plate (lets say 4"x4" = 16 square in). Multiply that number by .5 (or half). We now have 8, so the maximum amount of amps that you would want to throw at one series (7 plates if running 5 neutrals) is 8 amps. Now say you have a 19 plate cell, that would be three stacks of a 7 plate series, so take 8 amps and multiply it by the number of stacks (8 x 3 = 24 amps max for a 19 plate cell ). Make sense?
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@HHOPWR Thanks Larry, I figured these videos would save us a lot of keystrokes on the forums when the newbies show up.
@JBattler
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this..first time I have heard it so clearly. I assume from this then that one does not need a PWM if you can get it down to two volts? The other question I have always wondered about is the thickness of the plates. What is best and why. What are the consequences of using thicker /thinner plates. What is optimum? Thanks very much...you are a great teacher JB
@richard96816
11 жыл бұрын
They're available for a huge list of applications. From electric cars to freight trains.
@gazath75
12 жыл бұрын
Awesome vids Man. Keep up the vids mate. I'm new to all this and i have learned more from your vids than probably all the others that i have watched. I notice that most plates are about the same size. If i were using 2v supply and made the plates say 300mm x 200mm would that make much of a diff? or would i need to up the voltage.
@sosxbmx
12 жыл бұрын
You don't have to be nasty about it! I didn't give you a thumbs down! I'm working on a dry cell right now. I wouldn't make a video because despite working on well cells for years, and making a hydrogen powered cannon, I would not pretend to know enough about this to teach people about the subject. Thanks for making the internet such a friendly place.
@aubreyholman
12 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you stood up for yourself. Much respect my friend. Thank you for the excellent video! People like that enjoy pissing people off. Probably paid to do so ;)
@R3AktoRMacedonia
13 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very helpful video.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
@EisBlade Actually, 13.8 volts with 7 neutrals would give you 1.725 volts/plate gap.
@jadeeyy_
10 жыл бұрын
very nice and clear...thank you bro.. take care always...
@SOMEFATASSBITCH
10 жыл бұрын
I would buy from this guy
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
It depends on how may amps you are drawing and how many amps your supply can handle.
@thghho
12 жыл бұрын
Thanks sir, its pretty clear now....
@GrantEllingson
10 жыл бұрын
amazingly simple and well said thx
@Melvinizel
12 жыл бұрын
@dgomezMentec I made a unit with 12 plates with a (+)(n)(-) connection, they heat up very fast seems like the wires were starting to burn, but producing a lot of hydrogen. I tried to make only 3 (-) and 2 (+) and the rest is neutral, the heat is tolerable and acceptable but the hydrogen production is compromized. What can you suggest? My power source is from a car battery with running alternator. Thank you very much.
@TheGlenjudah
12 жыл бұрын
very interesting are the neutral plates not connected to anything?
@richard96816
11 жыл бұрын
You're not paying attention, marcos. The neutral plates are apparently not connected to anything, just interposed between the primary anode and cathode plates within the electrolyte.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
So you are saying that using neutral plates creates more heat than just running 12v between each pos and neg plate, in other words 12v per plate gap? If so please explain your theory because I disagree.
@JesseTheGameDev
13 жыл бұрын
So, I do understand that the dry cell is bipolar and also that each neutral plate is bipolar. But how do you know which plates will be positive and which plates will be negative so you know up to which point O2 is produced and when the H2 producing plates begin?
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@TheJimmax Yes, neutral plates are bi-polar and produce gas.
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@TheJimmax Yes, one side is positive and the other side is negative. Therefore one side produces Hydrogen and the other side produces Oxygen.
@zeroxan
13 жыл бұрын
assuming the plates aren't connected and they are "neutral" they act this way, is that the same case if you deliberately connect each plate to the original source? would it be any less efficient one way or the other? would less be produced?
@01wizmiles01
12 жыл бұрын
hi its mile again, i just want to ask you where is the best place to put my hho output hose, i have placed it after the computer air throttle and before the accelerator manifold. no one really says where is the best place to put it. please help. thanks.
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
Did you check the voltage at the cell to make sure it was 12v? If so then a couple of things, first the gap between your plates is very big. Make the plate gap 1/16" or 1/8". This means you will need to mix your electrolyte weaker. Second, you have a ton of current leakage. Try wrapping your plates in some rubber like a piece of motorcycle inner tube. Most important of all for safety, NEVER USE GLASS. If you get a flashback you can be seriously harmed, so use something other than that jar.
@JesseTheGameDev
13 жыл бұрын
@hhoconnection How are the neutral plates bipolar? And how is whether they are negative or positive determined if they aren't directly connected to either the positive or negative end?
@goodcountryaustralia
11 жыл бұрын
Lets start a revolution against youtube commercials! just post a comment against the commercials...
@rustyridenour2136
12 жыл бұрын
what do you get of the neutral plates, hydrogen or oxygen ?
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
It would be the same. Like I say in the video, you would not need neutral plates if you had a 2v power source.
@SaberRockin
12 жыл бұрын
What are the neutral plates hooked to???
@Bikandee
12 жыл бұрын
How do I keep the current low( under 10amps) and still get max HHO production? I Don't want to damage my car battery. Thanks!
@XlPH0S
12 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your plates?
@hitmanLis
11 жыл бұрын
hello. is it possible to run 60000 volts from the spark plug wire throught this cell?
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
Technically yes it can and has been done but it is VERY difficult requiring a LOT of modifications to the engine. So, for practical purposes the answer is no. We are just using it to supplement fuel, not replace it.
@EisBlade
12 жыл бұрын
@Melvinizel Add more neutral plates for each + and - stack. With the engine running there is actually about 13.8 volts to consider. Based on an operational amount of 13.8 volts, having 7 neutral plates per stack gives you 1.97 volts per plate which is excellent for HHO production. Whether using 6 or 7 neutrals, be sure to use a PWM as a control measure. The one I had built was setup like this: -nnnnnnn+nnnnnnn-nnnnnnn+nnnnnnn-
@flamedrag18
11 жыл бұрын
so is this solely for dry cells or can this be employed on wet cells efficiently too?
@Bikandee
12 жыл бұрын
What would be the best electrolytic solution? Sodium bicarb or lye?
@makramgemayel8396
10 жыл бұрын
Tanks for your informations .but i hâve à question CAN we use thé HHO système in à Heather fuel mazout and if yes How? How CAN i get a pressure for gaz thanks and bestiole regards
@vibe3d
10 жыл бұрын
Does it have to be stainless steel or can I use the top of a tin can like the ones used in sardines?
@zaboky
11 жыл бұрын
what metal are the plates made off? do you put regullar tap water or destiled?
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
Both, Hydrogen on one side and Oxygen on the other. The plates become bi-polar meaning one side is + and the other side is -.
@dangregg3515
10 жыл бұрын
Can I use aluminum instead of stainless steel?
@ottareinarsson5456
10 жыл бұрын
Do you know why the economy is the same but my 25 plate cell is working very well? is this working?
@randyorr5314
11 жыл бұрын
so with the neutral plates, the power source wont over heat?
@ccxr253
11 жыл бұрын
What do you use for an electrolyte?
@nickholas63
11 жыл бұрын
i did what you said. i have 15 plates dry cell 2 positive 1 negative 12 neutrols plates 6 on each side but when i hook it up to my (12 volt 72 amper) car battery it doesnt do anything at all but when i hook it up to 24 volt 4.2 amper in the house it Works very nice... please help what is it that iam doing wrong here? i mean i have 12 volt and 72 amper on my battery but it doesnt move .. do i need some kind off electric increaser or ?? please help !!
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
I can't put a link here but look for my video called "How to Calculate Maximum Amps For a HHO Dry Cell".
@randyjack77
10 жыл бұрын
wire your plates like this >> +-+-+-+-+-+-
@originalCN4
10 жыл бұрын
lol...a voltage divider through water...never thought that would work....i take it the neutral plates are free floating and unconnected?
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
Then how do you explain the voltage readings at the end of the video. Just so you know, this is not "my" theory. A lot of guys who really know their stuff taught me this.
@curtiskimble1062
11 жыл бұрын
I have a motorhome with a 454 engine that I am looking into the possibility of running on HHO. There is plenty of space to work with, however I'm worried about my output of HHO meeting the high demand needs of acceleration/versus cruising at a normal speed. I'm thinking I'm going to have to find a way to store the HHO gas into a pressurized cylinder to be sure there is no drop in power when it's needed. Is this true? If so, where should I look to learn about storing HHO under pressure?
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
@31saint31 Like I explain in the video as long as you keep it in the 2v - 2.2v / plate gap range then you will be fine. If you are running 12v - 13.5v and you have less than 5 neutral plates then yes adding more neutrals will lower the heat. Your cell will still heat up over time just not nearly as fast.
@lowhzaudio
11 жыл бұрын
hello mike! can i use a combination of 2 positives and 2 negatives with 6 neutral plates in between? the total number of plates would be 22 in my proyect. there is no dry cell with 22 plates
12 жыл бұрын
How about a 'many x 2V' power supply? Think like this: Switch-mode psu (say one single crappy tl494), has pwm, rectifying, filtering, galvanic separation, but the transformer has, instead of one secondary winding, many (as many cells are needed) windings of 2V each. With a diode and a capacitor. I guess only one global current sensing and one voltage sensing circuits are enough. The efficiency of the system is, at least, improved with some extra power-to-weight ratio ;)
@Bikandee
12 жыл бұрын
You are a legend. Thanks for your hard work, my cell works perfectly. The neutral plates also keep my water temp. down. Just brilliant!!!
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
Larger plates make no difference, more surface area just means it can handle more amps without being over-driven.
@David45Abq
13 жыл бұрын
Great clips packed with info for novices, thank you! 1 issue I've discovered even thru my research EFI engines need O2 & MAS tuners. Wish I'd seen that earlier in my attempts to build HHO devices. I'm a bit discouraged now knowing I'll need to spend more for those devices. Also, noone seems to show or do "sloshing" test. ie: if the unit is operating on a vehicle while driving around and the solution is sloshing inside the containers, how that effects the HHO production.
@IdelcoEM
11 жыл бұрын
really thanks! i love your videos and style. you´re very good teacher. you explain everything to understand for beginner people like me. i have to check better your channel but what do you think about who many hho its inyected to the engine? it dont take care of the rpm of the engine. im sorry for my englis im spanish and i´m still learning. thanks!
@tazer919
10 жыл бұрын
Finally I understand thanks for the help!
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
The plates are made of 316L Stainless Steel. The water is distilled.
@jerrymc777
13 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation! Thanks! I was just posting on HHOForums about using a -N+N- configuration with a PWM to control amps/heat. My dry cell is -NNNN+NNNN-NNNN+NNNN-NNNN+ using a 30A PWM. In your opinion, is this good for a 2.2L gasoline engine?
@carl1095
12 жыл бұрын
I've seen designs on youtube where the positive and negative plates are basically just alternatively stacked on top of each other, one after the other, positive then negative and so forth, with no neutral plates in between. What are your thoughts on those designs?
@curtiskimble1062
11 жыл бұрын
Never store HHO....Alright, but how would a person acount for the fluctuation in demand? Sometimes you'll have overages - where would the extra gas go? Other times (if not storing a small amount) you're going to have shortages - causing your climb up a hill ending in a stall. Any HELPFUL comments on this issue?
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
No, that would still be for 12v because you only have 5 neutrals between each pos and neg plate. For 24 volts it should be 11 neutral plates like this + n n n n n n n n n n n - This gives you 12 plate gaps for 2v / plate gap.
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
The gaskets are made out of Neoprene and they are 1/16" thick. The neutral plates are not connected to anything, that is why they are neutral plates.
@Kepelec
12 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, well explained thanks for the info, don't know why people complain about videos like this, you are giving away your knowledge free, good job
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I understand your question but if you mean that it appears that I have more than one series of plates in a the cell then yes I do. What you see in the demo is one stack of plates or +NNNNN-. You can add 5 neutral plates and another power plate for a double stack like this +NNNNN-NNNNN+. A 25 plate cell would look like this: -NNNNN+NNNNN-NNNNN+NNNNN-. Make sense?
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@shortyjk95 Glad to help. You are correct, 7 neutrals would be too many. Try 5 and if the cell gets too hot consider using 6. Remember you will need to add more electrolyte when you add neutral plates.
@TobgayBBS
10 жыл бұрын
thanks its help me very much,
@ZeroMass
13 жыл бұрын
Great video, but I noticed something you mentioned.. You first say that heat is generated by over voltage and is waste. At the end of the video you also mention that the addition of neutral plates also reduces current.. So my question is, aren't the neutral plates acting on limiting current? thus reducing heat ? If you take a specific sell and add neutral plates, how much current is reduced over that of 2 single plates? What si the difference in HHO production? Need to make one of these. :D
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
No, you are wrong. Try this... take a small container of water and electrolyte and place 2 plates measuring 6 x 6 inches 1/16 inch apart and send it 12v at 10 amps. See how long it takes the water to boil. Now put 5 neutral plates between the pos and neg plate and send it the same 12v at 10 amps. Now see how long it takes to boil. I didn't make this stuff up. I'm just a dummy, this came from people who are much smarter than me.
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@Me102288 Just focus on 2 volts/plate gap. You are only running 4 neutrals which means 5 plate gaps. 13 volts / 5 = 2.6 volts/plate gap (too high) You should add one more neutral plate -nnnnn+nnnnn-. Too many volts/plate gap causes heat. Too many amps will also cause a cell to overheat. By this I mean too many amps for the total plate surface of the cell. That's a whole different video!
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
@thghho You are over-thinking it. If the first plate is negative, it produces Hydrogen. The opposing face on the first neutral plate produces Oxygen. The opposite side of the first neutral plate produces Hydrogen (this is why neutral plates are called bi-polar). The next plate face (second neutral plate) produces Oxygen and so on.
@centralcoastoffgrid
13 жыл бұрын
@Me102288 WTF? You are totally confused. Take a voltmeter and test the voltage between your + plate and either of the two - plates and you will see that you get 12 volts. Take the reading between any two plates that are side by side and you will get 2.6 volts. I give up, have someone else explain it to you.
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
You will still need a PWM in most cases because the cell will still warm up, just not nearly as fast. For your plates, use a minimum of 20 gauge if you are not going to media blast them and a minimum of 18 gauge if you are going to media blast them. Be very careful when media blasting because they will want to warp.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
If you are getting brown crud, it's probably because you are using cheap stainless steel. Only use 316L stainless. 304 will leech brown crud and Hexavalent Chromium. Your water is more than likely toxic, don't put it down the drain. Dispose of it like toxic waste.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
@AQFearfullMage The electrolyte is distilled water and Potassium Hydroxide (KOH). You can use that or Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH).
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
Whatever man, OK you are the smartest kid in the class, feel better? Bottom line is we need to use neutral plates in electrolysis to keep the heat down and increase efficiency when using 12 volts.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
How are you getting 2-3 volts to the cell? Do you have a 2 volt power supply? If not then how are you reducing the voltage to the cell from 13.5 volts to 2-3 volts? Something does not make sense here.
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
Yes, that would work just fine but keep in mind that when you go with 6 neutrals you will need to mix the electrolyte very strong to compensate. Handle with care!
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
No on the three phase power and no on the Copper Sulfate. I would be curious as to what the bi-product would be using Copper Sulfate. Any Chemistry majors out there?
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should get off your ass and make your own videos. I noticed you don't even have any. Sometimes I don't know why I bother, you just can't please some people.
@Schmed1988
12 жыл бұрын
Great Video, thanks for this. I want to build an electrolysis rig to obtain oxygen and hydrogen separately. Most setups have two vertical tubes with a bridge tube between the anode and cathode that is below the hight... Anyways, I'm sure you know the rig. My Question is whether you could use neutral plates and still obtain separate gases? Are the gases still only produced at the anode and cathode or is gas produced by the neutral plates too? Thanks.
@intheFaceTrading
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information Mike!, can you please confirm the thickness for the plates?. Thanks in advance.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
@31saint31 Yes, solid because the more holes in the plates (like a mesh especially) then the more current leakage you have. This means more heat and less efficiency.
@badblinco
10 жыл бұрын
just a quick question could i use a voltage regulator 12v to 2v instead of all the neutral plates to get a smaller 2 plate cell?
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
Those commercials make me a little bit of money which in turn helps to fund my HHO experimenting.
@mahcir
12 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Well explained. How about the production of Hydrogen, thus this makes big difference compared to no neutral plates. like for example, 3 interval plates are connected to anode and the other 4 interval plates connected to cathode?
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
Yes, it applies to a wet cell also.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
You need to add one more neutral plate and then make sure not to give it too many amps.
@HawkinsKlan
11 жыл бұрын
Using neutral plates to control heat / amperage is not the way to go. Ideally you should have minimum gap between the + / - plates. Ideally ~ 1.5 mm. Adjust your frequency / pulse if you have too much electrolyte or pulling too much voltage.
@centralcoastoffgrid
12 жыл бұрын
Nothing, that's why they are called neutral plates. They just break up the voltage.
@centralcoastoffgrid
11 жыл бұрын
NEVER STORE HHO PERIOD, IT'S WAY TOO DANGEROUS!
@robbygill1
12 жыл бұрын
Thank you, You just cleared up a big question for me. This should be elementary for anyone who understands series/parrallel. Much appreciated!!!
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