Ladder eventually added the option to buy a remote. If you already have the preamp, it can be bought separately too: shorturl.at/lALMX All units will work with it since the remote circuitry was built in already, I covered it in a separate video with some bonus comparisons: kzitem.info/news/bejne/0a6c4H-aqHSHiJw
@lesarnolfinis6775
Жыл бұрын
It would be great if a reviewer could explain the relationship between the brands Ladder, Musician and Denafrips. All three offer look alike inside/outside dacs and preamps.
@carlitomelon4610
3 ай бұрын
A polite way to circumvent the "grey market" for Denafrips Hestia? The circuit boards are also slightly different from online photos. *I decided Alvin at Vinshine deserved my support for exemplary customer service and support.* I bought Hestia this month. The 3-year warranty is the best of the alternatives too. The sound is clear, expressive and natural with decent depth. Not clinical:-) Nice honest counterfoil to my "preciousss" Musical Paradise MP701mk2 tube&cap rolling preamp ! 🎵🎶😎🎶🎵
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
Жыл бұрын
A remote is in fact essential in a unit like this... It's about time that amps and dacs with this quality and price point have one. It doens't cost that much and it doesn't seem that difficult to implement. A lot of budget units have one. Brands couls even integrate all-in-one remotes for same brand products (ie a single remote that could control the amp, preamp and dac for example), that would be excellent and even good for the brands i think, as it could be an incentive for customers to buy others products from the same manufacturer. No remote is not good, but lots of them is not good either.
@wyup
Жыл бұрын
Yes, true. Although most digital sources today have some sort of remote digital volume control. You could combine both for small quick changes and keep sound quality. That's what I do.
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
Жыл бұрын
@@wyup there are already some brands doing something like this. Denon or marantz i think have a remote that controls both the amp/ DAC and the same series CD player. when you have stackable gear it makes even more Sense i think.
@cheeky1664
Жыл бұрын
I'm proud to be a patron 😁😁😁. Thank you so much for creating such an amazing KZitem channel! Your razor sharp honesty and wit are fabulous to watch...and it's clear that you put so much thought and effort into each video. Thank you! 👍😁👍
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for both your support and heartwarming words. I'll keep it up. 😊
@cheeky1664
Жыл бұрын
@@iiWiReviews 😁😁😁
@edverbeek6292
Жыл бұрын
I also use only OCC copper in my DIY projects, even as loudspeaker cable (Neotech SOCT, solid core 20AWG is thick enough) and I can confirm it makes a significant sound improvement)
@nicktaylor7680
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great review. A comparison with the topping pre 90 would be interesting.
@bobb.9917
Жыл бұрын
These Ladder products are obviously being manufactured at the Denefrips facility. I own a Pontus II (LOVE it), and owned their Athena Preamp (not for me,no warmth). All of their preamps have those same cheap, horrible red displays, like this Ladder Bach Preamp, and no remote is a total deal-killer for me, too. I have a 🧟♂️Franken-Freya+ 😀 (I performed surgery on the tube stage by removing the 4 cheap electrolytic film capacitors and replaced them with Oil-Impregnated,Metallized Polypropylene Film Capacitors. I also replaced the 8 cheap resistors with audiophile Audio Note resistors. I am using NOS tubes, also.). The tube stage is super 3-D now and has more clarity and punch. All of this modification was challenging and fun and I smile every time I play music, now!!! This hobby can be rewarding….Would love to hear your new A.I. Preamp! Looks COOL!
@onionknight9431
Жыл бұрын
You bought Athena used? Mine came with a remote that weighs a few pounds made with solid aluminum. It also has plenty of warmth that resembles the Pontus II in my system.
@bobb.9917
Жыл бұрын
@@onionknight9431 I was in my new growth phase (30 yr. lapse 😅). It’s an audio story. I was really disappointed in my $3500 Kinki Studio EX-B7 Mono Blocks. My 40-yr-old Bob Carver C-500 sounded better, with the original capacitors. 🤷🏻♂️ Sterile (to me),clinical bass…just disappointing. Alvin at Vinshine said that the Athena would warm it up. I bought it new.. NOPE. I took a financial bath! No returns. LOL! Sold that stuff (To be fair it may have been the mono blocs/synergy thing, not The Athena. Not sure). Also, I may not have been clear above, perhaps. My Athena had a remote, The Ladder Bach doesn’t. …Now I am I2S Design Mercury Streamer => Pontus II DAC => Schiit Loki Max Equalizer => Franklen-Freya+ Preamp=> McIntosh 152 Power Amp.I love the very small Schiit solid aluminum remotes. They are stylin' I am super happy, NOW!….…but we all prefer a certain sound.
@onionknight9431
Жыл бұрын
@@bobb.9917 I almost went the same route with the Kinki B7/Athena combo. I got a pairs of PS Audio M700 instead because some Kinki users have stated that the amps would go into protection mode and it appears to be a design flaw. The M700s were too clinical and the midrange was thin. Eventually I got a pair of Schiit Tyr Monoblocks and I’m in heaven. I also had the Pontus II, loved it for vocals, but it was too slow for modern music. Currently running laptop-Gustard U18 DDC-R26 Dac-Athena-Tyr. In the future I might try some tube preamps. Glad you like your current set up👍
@sopasadena1499
2 ай бұрын
Nice review as always. I know it’s difficult to source Schiit products in your country but the new Schiit Kara ss discrete preamp is supposed to be outstanding
@leonardoortiz393
10 ай бұрын
I bought this preamp after watching a few reviews about it, and I absolutely love it after listening solid three weeks.
@giulianof8687
10 ай бұрын
Hi Leo, Is It possible to turn It on or off by using the remote controller?
@leonardoortiz393
10 ай бұрын
@@giulianof8687 hi, this unit doesn’t have a remote control
@keithwoollen5745
9 ай бұрын
I bought one of these sounds excellent it’s fed with my `Gustard R26 dac ,it took me awhile to find out how to put the unit into standby though 😊
@MrThunderDoom
Жыл бұрын
Really a great and helpful review as always! I'll stick to my Acoustic Invader pre-amp and Ladder Schumann dac that for sure. What a fantastic combo that was , and together with AI power amp i'll call that an end game setup!😀
@robk5745
Жыл бұрын
That’s impressive that you still love it so much after going back from a crazy preamp! This is a great option if you want something not to mess with your chain
@histubeness
10 ай бұрын
Lost me at "no remote control". I'm glad you mentioned that at only 2 minutes in.
@iiWiReviews
10 ай бұрын
They added the remote eventually and now it's an option.
@carlitomelon4610
3 ай бұрын
Available remote also operates Marantz and Musical Fidelity CD players -if its same as my Hestia12th remote: No wasted buttons;-)
@WeeWeeJumbo
Жыл бұрын
4:31 whoa, this is a great album to showcase top end detail. NICE, man
@Feliciano12v
Жыл бұрын
Yes… Please continue to call them out on essential items like a remote.
@alirezapouyafard5750
Жыл бұрын
Gustard p26 preamp is amazing and you can roll up opamp with sparkos op amp and thanks me later also does have remote as well
@Firebottleman
5 ай бұрын
I would like to request a review on the Schiit Audio Kara solid state Preamp please. Almost nothing on the web about this newer product. Thanks
@Rebellovw
5 ай бұрын
I'm buying the Kara.
@a.grayman6349
Жыл бұрын
No remote on a device that controls volume. The review should have ended there instead of pretending even audio Nirvana could make up for that deal breaking oversight. Made in the POC with a POC warranty and no remote, have at it.
@jd5787
7 ай бұрын
Get the denafrips hestia then. Read it is the same but with a metal remote
@riccitone
Жыл бұрын
Comparing with Denafrips and Musician Audio (Monoceros) would be interesting. Provided Ladder decides to implement a remote volume control.
@Simon_Hawkshaw
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time and effort reviewing this equipment. Much appreciated.
@LordAllfar
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great review and comparison video 🤗 Hope to see more pre and power reviews and comparison videos in the future 🙂
@eddylam224
Жыл бұрын
LED front looks exactly like the Denafrips Hestia's.
@matty74123
7 ай бұрын
Looks like the denafrips pre amp
@Quarryparksharks
Жыл бұрын
ladder bach vs Gustard P26 vs Topping Pre90 vs Acoustic invader preamp. which is best? is it worth the extra money for the AI?
@charleskatz2606
Жыл бұрын
Too bad about the remote.I think the new Schiit Lyr+ @$599 (in USA) might be a better choice or if balanced is required the Freya +.When lower priced value DACs like the Denafrips Ares don't have a remote the lack of one here is a real omission
@NeilBlanchard
Жыл бұрын
Yes - the lack of a remote, in this streaming age - is a lack. In the "old days" when we listened to LPs or CDs that are engineered to be played back at one volume setting, then this is fine. But on many streams, the volume is not normalized, and the lack of a remote will get you some exercise.
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wouldn't mind listening to the whole recording in one take that way, but listening to any sort of mixed playlist simply requires a quick and easy volume control.
@vladimirjovanovic2803
Жыл бұрын
Very good review Srbo, as usual! Thank you also for the choice of the subject - not the kind of a product everyone is looking at to purchase, but none the less interesting to see and hear about. Kudos to you for a very honest comparison between this and other preamps, especially with the AI's. As to the Bach itself, it seams like a great sounding product, but the omission of a remote is not really understandable in this day and age, whatever the sound quality might be.
@Daniel-hk3ru
Жыл бұрын
So enjoy your detailed reviews !
@jonathanhart-sc6ix
Жыл бұрын
Just bought one and it is now available with a remote. Big heavy chunky thing too.
@franknelissen8041
8 ай бұрын
How is the amp? Are you enjoying it?
@jonathanhart-sc6ix
8 ай бұрын
really liking it a lot, would have no problems recommending it. Def a keeper for me.
@stephenschmitt8630
6 ай бұрын
Hi, I am looking to replace my PS Audio Stellar again Cell DAC/Preamp. I have had to send it back 2x for repair. I am keeping the M700 monoblocks class D amps. What Pre amp would be a great replacement and of course a great corresponding DAC ? I have the ability to spend $3k + for the combination. Thanks for your help, I appreciate how you explain each piece of gear you review!! You get right to the point.
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
Жыл бұрын
THANKS SRBOLJUB, I AM SURE SOME WILL WANT IT 🤗💚💚💚
@charleskatz2606
Жыл бұрын
Wow that's some serious Dinar for the top AI.I would think about listenin g if I were there but here in USA a Rogue RP-7 would be at top of my list
@earthoid
10 ай бұрын
I'm very interested in an analog only preamp and almost ordered the Schiit Kara, but the noise from the relay volume control would really bother me. Is the Ladder Bach silent or do all good preamps use relay volume control now?
@kattarhindu451
4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this detailed review of the Ladder Bach. Could you please do a video of Ladder Bach vs Topping Pre90?
@Raymondey
Жыл бұрын
Nice review, as always! If there’s no remote, so you can’t dim or turn off the screen too? If so, also deal breaker for listening at night
@Moonloop76
Жыл бұрын
great review as usual looks like denafrips a preamp. I think their performance would be very similar. Anyway , not having a remote Iis a huge caveat. I do not think It Is suitable for a desktop solution.
@EgonB325
Жыл бұрын
The point of a preamp is literally volume control and input selection, how dare you make one of €900 WITHOUT a remote?
@TransformerVolumeC
28 күн бұрын
im finally happy with my Promitheus TVC transformer passive line stage with Mark Audio Pensil fullrange DIY towers and triapth ta2022 DIY power amp, topping dac and everything interconnected with Canare RCA and wired with Sommer Elephant 440 speaker cable
@legione1capone
Жыл бұрын
I'd buy one no question if it had a remote. That is a deal breaker for me and many others I'm sure
@carlitomelon4610
4 ай бұрын
Very interested, however: WHY can't a microprocessor controlled volume control be setup with a BALANCE CONTROL feature?? Those of us with asymmetric hearing or room layouts are waiting for this feature! Maybe add the BALANCE CONTROL feature to the $50 remote control option? 🎵🎶🎶😮🎶🎵
@noeldg1
Жыл бұрын
Looks the same as the Denafrips Hestia only the front knobs and faceplate change. The Denafrips Hestia comes with a remote, unlike the Ladder PreAmp.The same Chinese company just a re-brand so another company can re-distribute the products.
@gettcharged4982
Жыл бұрын
I have both Schumann and Bach... really good stuff. 👍
@asecrethollywoodtranny6379
9 ай бұрын
what about Boya? I hear they will also realease an amp too
@nattaphoomtewarun9978
Жыл бұрын
I like your review. Have you ever listen to Quad artera pre. A bit further expense but packed with more input and output. If you could do a comparison would be great
@38special4ever
Жыл бұрын
No home theater bypass = no sale! As you said, it's 2023. Manufacturers need to get their s--t together!
@mrpmj00
2 ай бұрын
parasound has HT bypass on several models
@marcgabor9690
Жыл бұрын
what good is a preamp if you can't control the volume from the listening position?
@gregorydavid5894
Жыл бұрын
FYI, I just watch another review on this preamp. While there is no remote supplied, there is remote functionality. A remote can be bought from Ladder that will work. Not sure of price.
@jamesderby4522
Жыл бұрын
Shenzen confirmed this is based on a Hestia
@rorschachwatchmen8628
Жыл бұрын
Looks like Denafrips…both Preamp and DAC
@jasonmehlhoff8877
Жыл бұрын
Looks just like my old Hades
@augustinvaclavik6282
7 ай бұрын
They all do 😂 super annoying, at this point I wouldn't sweat those few last dollars and take customer service as part of the cost, for which denafrips is known from what I heard.
@michaelwright1602
Жыл бұрын
Looks like my Denafrips Hades or their Hestia... I wish you would have removed the lid to see what is inside... No remote? Even my $599 Schiit Freya S has a remote...
@yydingg6936
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another excellent review! Are both the RCA and XLR outputs active with one input? If it's the case, people will be able to hook up a pair of powered subwoofers directly on the preamp.
@robh9079
Жыл бұрын
Striking similarities to Denafrips and Musician. I can't find an internal photo or more detailed specs like inZ or a manufacture website - I am 'bookmarking' preamps in this bracket though feel there are too many unanswered questions here...
@guidoastolfoni
Ай бұрын
Thanks for your very interesting review. One question: Are Musician Monoceros and Denafrips Hestia the same product with different brands? Thanks!
@Damn_Sam1
Жыл бұрын
Another great review! Can you review the Numan all in one receiver.
@mostirreverent
Жыл бұрын
Nice review, but I would have liked to have seen close-ups of the unit’s front
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
Oh, I guess I didn't include it during the review...my bad. You can still see two upfront images at the end of the video during the outro with music.
@furiososso
Жыл бұрын
Well done…..great review. Thanks.
@Infynyte
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this nice review as always. How is this preamp compared with the Gustard P26? I'm consider to buy one of them but I'm not sure wich would be better. Regards!
@iiWiReviews
9 ай бұрын
I haven't heard P26 so it's tough to comment on it. This one is great though and now can be bought with a remote.
@Infynyte
9 ай бұрын
@@iiWiReviews Nice then. Thank you! :)
@giorgioisgaming5814
3 ай бұрын
denafrips product under the hood 😉
@larrywe3320
Жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@jungtarcph
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Denafrips Hades....
@marcusloo767
7 ай бұрын
What’s the output voltage and gain on this preamp
@carlitomelon4610
3 ай бұрын
Zero Unity gain.
@Sorin_F
Жыл бұрын
If the preamp will not modify the sound, what use it will have? :)) Almost all dac's had an volume knob this days :)
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't modify tonality but it does increase overall drive, dynamics, kick... Soundstage too. A good preamp or simply buffer always does that compared to the DAC direct (talking about most DACs, I'm sure there are exceptions with excellent preamp stage, I just haven't tried them yet).
@Sorin_F
Жыл бұрын
@@iiWiReviews It could also rising the noise floor re-amplify a signal already amplified at line level...you will need to decrease the gain of the preamp a lot and also probably to decrease the dac volume also a lot and that combination had the potential to add more noise. Aniway for an totally digital system the best preamp is no preamp as people say, following the philosophy of less things in the signal path the better. But the opinion it is that with an excellent particularly best preamp in some defined circumstances could you see a great benefit, more so with high quality tube preamps. It is complicated to match such system and gain a real benefit instead of loosing some, and add also to costs hard to justify.
@theodoroschronis2966
8 ай бұрын
Hello! Compared to Aune S17 Pro purely as a preamp, which sounds best according to your opinion?
@TriAmpHiFi
Жыл бұрын
How is this different from the "Musician Monoceros" preamp for $1,169 just reviewed by SoundNews reviews? Or the "Denafrips Hestia" for $1,069? This one's $899 & ALL 3 are IDENTICAL. lol..chinese rip-offs 🔈🔉🔊 Do you see all three the same lie?
@wojciechczupta
Ай бұрын
could you make it more precise? I bass neutral or rother emphasized?
@cyberspace2998
10 ай бұрын
If it had a balanced headphone socket on the front i would buy one tomorrow ! Why not ?
@titntin5178
Жыл бұрын
A pre amp without a remote is absolutely useless to me. Its fugly too. It really doesn't matter how it sounds if it lacks the most basic functionality! Appreciate your review anyway..
@robertgruber982
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if this and the Denafrips and the Musician Audio Monoceros are all the same thing with slightly different cases and features. They are all very similar looking with virtually identical back panels.
@mattmarceau8156
Жыл бұрын
It’s a fair point. Ladder seems to look so similar that I imagine they’re made in the same factory. Would actually be very interesting to get a comparison between Ladder and Denafrips Hestia pre.
@Gregdsilva915
6 ай бұрын
Is the operation manual that has some specification on this unit?
@CraciunAlexandruGh
Жыл бұрын
A 900$ pre-amp without a remote ? In the garbage can ! it's 2023, do they expect you to get out of your listening seat and walk over to change the volume ?
@2ridiculous41
Жыл бұрын
or just change it on an app fro a streamer.
@GoodVibesOnly1914
5 ай бұрын
Highly considering this pre with 2 buckeye hypex monoblocks. I'm pretty new to this. Can anyone tell me how i would get true stereo to my subs via rca and also good product to connect with bluetooth? Also what tubes you using bro!? I would go ahead and order the tubes youre using if i buy the freya Thanks!
@carminedesanto6746
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you can use the XLR OUTPUT as a headphone amplifier?? Just like Golden Sound and CMA did 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@thatmonkee3009
Жыл бұрын
Does it give extra volume/headroom for the amp?
@ekjellgren
Жыл бұрын
What's the difference with the basic vs Fulcrum preamp?
@leong772
Жыл бұрын
Thomas & Stereo asked for a remote controller and ShenZhen Audio sent him. 😂 kzitem.info/news/bejne/0mijyKyPgX9yopw
@petermartin9494
Жыл бұрын
No remote = no deal.
@waldowsxxghostxx8577
Жыл бұрын
Can you pair delta sigma dacs to this or is this pre-amp designed for R2r dacs?
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
You can pair it with any DAC you want.
@siamxiii
Жыл бұрын
Will it be a good match for R26?
@HungryEatNow
Жыл бұрын
More fulcrum please
@codebuster3132
9 ай бұрын
thanks for the review... would you recommend this with a Headphone Amp?
@iiWiReviews
9 ай бұрын
I don't know of a head-amp that doesn't have a preamp built-in, so you would just double that section which would not be beneficial.
@codebuster3132
9 ай бұрын
@@iiWiReviews I have Cayin HA-6A headphone tube Amp
@iiWiReviews
9 ай бұрын
Fine stuff, no need for a preamp there.
@cybergod77
Жыл бұрын
wonder how it compares to Kinki and Doge
@nattaphoomtewarun9978
Жыл бұрын
If I pair SMSL M500 Dac fixed Volume with exterernal Balance out. Will that gonna improve sound resolution and crispy clear. With the same power amp and speaker.
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
Preamp doesn't add clarity or resolution... It cannot. Instead you usually gain bolder, bigger, more energetic sound. And compared to that, DAC out directly to the power amp usually sounds slightly lean and analytical. .
@nattaphoomtewarun9978
Жыл бұрын
Have you review GUSTARD P26?
@juliancrun
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the video. The problem is where to get the Fulcrum.
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
For any info on Fulcrum, you can contact the manufacturer at acousticinvader@gmail.com I only took it for a spin but it is build to a such high standards, and sounds like it too... That I ended up purchasing it. 😅
@juliancrun
Жыл бұрын
@@iiWiReviews Thanks!!!
@Harvy75a
Жыл бұрын
I need a preamp but with a budget of 500€ ... and a remote ...
@Ab-ru1ew
Жыл бұрын
My DAC already has Volume knobs, can someone tell me what advantage would this preamp do if i used it with my dac?
@Sorin_F
Жыл бұрын
I think really no advantage :)) because could not improve the received signal :) The use of preamp is old time analog domain story...this days almost all dac output line level analog signal...no need for a preamp if you listen to digital sources...but if you use analogic ones like a turntable then had his use.
@azar3006
Жыл бұрын
@@Sorin_F I disagree, Maybe in some higher end DACS your statement holds true but I just spent over a year listening to my BlueSound Node connected directly to my amp but always felt something was missing specially low level listening so I finally dragged out my 20 year old Rotel preamp and hooked it up. What a difference, everything is more dynamic and can hear everything even on the lowest volume. You are short changing yourself if you think a digital volume control in a dac is all you need !
@mrpmj00
2 ай бұрын
sounds better even with music streaming. home theater bypass switch sources left/right balance tone control treble/bass/subwoofer
@mnyshrpknvs
Жыл бұрын
Where is this brand made?
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
It's a Chinese brand.
@dougleydorite
Жыл бұрын
Why do audiophiles put diffusers on the front wall?
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
To diffuse sound wave reflections of that wall and make echo-like reflections much less obvious, without deadening the room too much (like you would do if you only used absorbers).
@dougleydorite
Жыл бұрын
@@iiWiReviews I feel like putting the diffusers on the front wall would be the most least effective. If you diffuse the sound that is directed forwards, (side walls, ceiling, back walls etc) by the time it bounces back and hits the front wall, it will already be diffused anyways. The only direct sound that goes backwards is low frequencies, and those diffusers will do nothing
@iiWiReviews
Жыл бұрын
Yes, they don't pickup first reflections in that place, but the effect is still very noticeable and positive. First I found professional acoustic expert writeups about that being good place for diffusion, than I've tried it and confirmed it really brings noticeable improvement. After several tests of putting them up and removing them (also testing absorbers in the same spot), I really liked what they do so I fixed them there. As for the first reflection points, I found absorbers to work much better on my side walls then diffusers. I have yet to experiment with the ceiling's first reflections. Will try both absorption, diffusion, and mix. Once done, I'll make a video about why is everything where it is, how it changed the sound, how alternatives worked, etc.
@dougleydorite
Жыл бұрын
@@iiWiReviews fair enough. I find that the only way I can tell if things are better or worse, is through REW measuremts. It's hard for your brain to remember what setup A sounded like by the time setup B is complete and REW will show proof of which setup has a more balance reverb time or impulse response etc
@carlsitler9071
Жыл бұрын
Why do you need a preamp? Volume control? Those are $50. I use my headphone amp also as a preamp (Asgard 3). Am I missing something?
@mrpmj00
2 ай бұрын
sounds better even with music streaming. home theater bypass switch sources left/right balance tone control treble/bass/subwoofer
@2ridiculous41
Жыл бұрын
Funny how many people think a remote is essential to change volume when they stream and have volume controls on controllers for streaming.
@AjuVignesh
Жыл бұрын
There is a whole lot of difference between a software volume control and a hardware volume control.
@amb3cog
Жыл бұрын
No remote! LOL Fugetaboutit! Pfffff
@phillipmorris9847
Жыл бұрын
a preamp without a remote hahahahaha
@metalunleashed
Жыл бұрын
FIRST!
@frederf69
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prat
@metalunleashed
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@@frederf69 haha ncie one
@marks.2909
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I’m a recent subscriber I very much like your style of sonic analysis .
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