I found another channel that uses the Septuagint 'follow the lamb today', some pretty amazing revelations.
@JJFrance
2 күн бұрын
Series on the geneologies of the Septuagint? I'm in!
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
It’s in the queue
@robynnbryar1977
Күн бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviewsplease post a link.
@makarov138
3 күн бұрын
I prefer the Septuagint over the Hebrew. The Hebrew was "tweaked" a few centuries later.
@punkdrummr2000
3 күн бұрын
🙌
@carolynnunes3922
3 күн бұрын
I agree that the LXX is superior to the Masoretic text. Deuteronomy 32:8 Breton’s LXX 8When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. Deuteronomy 32:8 KJV When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Check out Dr. Michael Heiser’s work concerning this verse!
@HeavyHeartsShow
2 күн бұрын
Interesting. I prefer the ancient Hebrew. Preferring the LXX over the Hebrew is ironically much like preferring the KJV over the Greek for the NT.
@punkdrummr2000
2 күн бұрын
@@HeavyHeartsShow huh? The MT was put together AFTER Christ was sacrificed, took the keys, and He raised again. The Masoretic Text was written between the 6th and 10th centuries AD by a group of Jewish scholars known as the Masoretes.
@HeavyHeartsShow
2 күн бұрын
@@punkdrummr2000 The MT is regarded as the standard traditional Hebrew text of the transmitted copies of the OT. The Septuagint has a history that is too “legendary,” like how 70 translators independently copied the exact same translation apparently word for word. That is a mythical story with no attestation.
@veneroantonio905
3 күн бұрын
Can’t wait for the next video,notifications bell on
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for your support!
@robynnbryar1977
Күн бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviewsfg
@alek27e
2 күн бұрын
What is interesting is that the Church Slavonic text (Slavonic) also includes that same detail, and not just that one, but all the elements that differentiate the LXX from the MT.
@Denis-Antonio
2 күн бұрын
Indeed, because the Eastern Orthodox Church followed the Septuagint when it came to translating the Old Testament.
@brettlovett6011
Күн бұрын
Interesting, informative video as always, thank you Mr. Hackett. Could you take a look at Leviticus 25:45 - 46. Reading from the LXX transliteration in Bible Bento - it looks like it might be the land rather than the sojourners that is to be the Israelites' possession forever. Our English translations of course have the sojourners as their possession. Would be interested in your impression.
@JR-rs5qs
2 күн бұрын
Luke isn't favoring the LXX. There was no Masoretic Text to even choose from! We can't put the choice we think we can make back on Luke. (Edited for spelling)
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Yes. He probably didn’t make much of a choice. Good point
@briteddy9759
Күн бұрын
Re genealogies: Our first question ought to be “how did the ANE and 2nd temple period use and understand genealogies”? We should not impose our standards and rules used on developing our family tree on them. If we use modern concepts of genealogies, it is easy to find discrepancies. But if we recognize this as God’s word, we do not conclude an error, but rather ask the question of how did they understand genealogies back then. We can easily miss theological messaging if we only read with modern understandings. I have the Lexham translation of the LXX also and I am working my way through it. This was the scripture Jesus and the disciples knew. It is my understanding that the NT quotes from the OT/HB is more often from the LXX than the Hebrew scripture.
@SaneNoMore
Күн бұрын
“Sometimes I get some crazy comments”. It’s certainly showing on this particular video lol.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
Күн бұрын
😂
@alexandersmith9385
2 күн бұрын
Yes, I have heard of a reference made of Psalm 151.
@PistisXristou
2 күн бұрын
I appreciate the careful honoring of exegesis and theology.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Thanks so much!
@19king14
2 күн бұрын
Question;.. We have parts (fragments) of the LXX that were translated by the Jews before the time of Christ and parts of the LXX that were written by Christian scribes. Many scholars today are promoting that the Jewish (pre-Christian) LXX had the tetragrammaton (YHWH) whereas the Christian LXX uses what is called "Nomina Sacra" in the place where the Jewish LXX had YHWH. How much information, or what books are there that discuss this in more detail? Thanks
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Can you give me a reference for this?
@19king14
2 күн бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews The first 3 minutes of this video shows actual photos of fragments of the Jew's translation of the LXX. the whole video shows video clips of scholars discussing YHWH in the oldest LXX fragments. Quite informative. kzitem.info/news/bejne/zqd4q6WCmouShKgsi=IpUWDD4bH7GeY5Nw
@19king14
2 күн бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Here are some references that discuss the Tetragrammaton found in the earliest translation fragments of the Jew's LXX. "Manuscripts of the Greek Bible" by Bruce M. Metzger page 33, 34 "The Earliest Christian Artifacts" by Larry Hurtado page 107 "Encountering the Manuscripts" by Phillip Comfort page 202, 208
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Thanks! I’ll look at this.
@mattandkim17
Сағат бұрын
I have been following along for several months now. I feel like you might be avoiding the examples where the DSS and MT agree against the LXX and its quotations in the New Testament.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
Сағат бұрын
Yes, exactly. That topic will likely become part of a future video. Currently, I’m focusing on the positive evidence for the Septuagint. However, if you’ve seen my video on the LXX versus the Masoretic Text, you’ll know that I generally favor the Masoretic Text. I only deviate from it when there is very strong evidence to support doing so. There are good reasons for that. But there are also good reasons to treasure the LXX. I’ve been focused on the latter for a bit now.
@trappedcat3615
2 күн бұрын
The Masoretic is not really "the" Hebrew text. For example, the language is not the same as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and there are some subtle difference between them.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Good point. I oversimplify that a bit.
@JJFrance
2 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
2 күн бұрын
Very kind of you! Much appreciated!
@JR-rs5qs
2 күн бұрын
Check out Isa 65:22 in the LXX.
@undergroundpublishing
2 күн бұрын
I aren't all those other versions composed after the Septuagint? Is it possible that the original just said, "Cain spoke to Abel," (rather than 'said'), or even that the original manuscripts were obscured when copied into the Aramaic script?
@Jesus-est-Dieu-fait-Chair
Күн бұрын
Good as always my dear Brother in Christ. One big gem in Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls is Deuteronomy 32.43 quoted in Hebrews 1.6, but not in the massoretic text for theology purpose, cause it is confirming that Yeshua/Jesus is God : Septuagint : “Rejoice, ye heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him (Yeshua/Jesus).“ (Deuteronomy 32.43) Dead Sea Scroll (Scroll 4Q44) : “Rejoice, o heavens, together with Him, and bow down to Him (Yeshua/Jesus) all you sons of God,“ (Deuteronomy 32.43; Dead sea scroll Bible page 193) Tanakh Jps (Massoretic text) : “Sing aloud, O ye nations, of His people;“ ??????????????? (Deuteronomy 32.43) Deuteronomy 32.43 quoted in Hebrews 1.6 (KJV) : “And again, when He bringeth in the Firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him (Yeshua/Jesus).“ That's three witnesses against the Massoretic text translated by rabbis who, for theological reasons, altered the Word of God, for they were non-believers, having denied their own Messiah Yeshua, the Word of God, God Almighty. Kol Tuv
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
Күн бұрын
Hello brother! I actually mention this in my video on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the LXX kzitem.info/news/bejne/qIaEsn6aoJijmXosi=xY_XEDq71JEyCbSR. Thanks for sharing this one!
@Jesus-est-Dieu-fait-Chair
Күн бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Sorry my dear Brother, i didn't remember 🙄
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
Күн бұрын
@@Jesus-est-Dieu-fait-Chair no apologies needed. It gave me a chance to plug that video for anyone that reads are comments. Blessings!
@Jesus-est-Dieu-fait-Chair
Күн бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Amen ! Be blessed my Brother and your family, by the Name above all names, Yeshua/Jesus, our God and Savior, El Shaddaï. Hallelu-YAH ! Maran-atha !
@williambrewer
Күн бұрын
Does this not seem like a big philosophical problem, i.e. that we have to try to reconstruct the word of God?
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
Күн бұрын
It’s never been that way for me. I know some people are troubled by that. But I think whether someone uses the LXX or Hebrew text they have good access to the Bible
@SaneNoMore
Күн бұрын
The vast majority of textual variants are simple spelling, word order (makes no difference in translation), or other minutiae that make no difference in our English bibles. Those few variants that are not immediately reconcilable make up less than 1% of the biblical text and never, not once do they have any significant doctrinal impact. The text of scripture is so well established that even educated critics no longer attempt to claim otherwise. Do not allow a very few interesting but insignificant textual variations cause you to question the validity of the text as a whole.
@FelonyVideos
Күн бұрын
Do not miss the forest for the trees... This is a message hidden in Genesis 1&2 (which day man was created), as well as in Christ's ability to sum up all of the commandments into a single simple phrase - love God and love your neighbor. Dont miss the big picture because of the failings of human-created language, and its nuances. Sometimes, our obsession drives us to seek answers to gaps in our knowledge. But, for instance, the 6th/7th day question - it is only an issue if one makes an assumption that God, or humans, work at night, and when exactly a new day begins. The Jews assume each day begins at sunset. So what is the first thing we do on the 7th day Sabbath? We rest, we sleep. And we do this every day of the week, for that matter. But on the holy Sabbath, upon sunrise, when the 'day', aka daytime, actually begins, that is when we set apart this period for rest. It is not inconsistent at all, but some will insert assumptions which lead to the sense of inconsistency.
@Resist.Tyranny
2 күн бұрын
The Book of Jasher Chapter 1 14 And the boys grew up and their father gave them a possession in the land; and Cain was a tiller of the ground, and Abel a keeper of sheep. 15 And it was at the expiration of a few years, that they brought an approximating offering to the Lord, and Cain brought from the fruit of the ground, and Abel brought from the firstlings of his flock from the fat thereof, and God turned and inclined to Abel and his offering, and a fire came down from the Lord from heaven and consumed it. 16 And unto Cain and his offering the Lord did not turn, and he did not incline to it, for he had brought from the inferior fruit of the ground before the Lord, and Cain was jealous against his brother Abel on account of this, and he sought a pretext to slay him. 17 And in some time after, Cain and Abel his brother, went one day into the field to do their work; and they were both in the field, Cain tilling and ploughing his ground, and Abel feeding his flock; and the flock passed that part which Cain had ploughed in the ground, and it sorely grieved Cain on this account. 18 And Cain approached his brother Abel in anger, and he said unto him, What is there between me and thee, that thou comest to dwell and bring thy flock to feed in my land? 19 And Abel answered his brother Cain and said unto him, What is there between me and thee, that thou shalt eat the flesh of my flock and clothe thyself with their wool? 20 And now therefore, put off the wool of my sheep with which thou hast clothed thyself, and recompense me for their fruit and flesh which thou hast eaten, and when thou shalt have done this, I will then go from thy land as thou hast said? 21 And Cain said to his brother Abel, Surely if I slay thee this day, who will require thy blood from me? 22 And Abel answered Cain, saying, Surely God who has made us in the earth, he will avenge my cause, and he will require my blood from thee shouldst thou slay me, for the Lord is the judge and arbiter, and it is he who will requite man according to his evil, and the wicked man according to the wickedness that he may do upon earth. 23 And now, if thou shouldst slay me here, surely God knoweth thy secret views, and will judge thee for the evil which thou didst declare to do unto me this day. 24 And when Cain heard the words which Abel his brother had spoken, behold the anger of Cain was kindled against his brother Abel for declaring this thing. 25 And Cain hastened and rose up, and took the iron part of his ploughing instrument, with which he suddenly smote his brother and he slew him, and Cain spilt the blood of his brother Abel upon the earth, and the blood of Abel streamed upon the earth before the flock. 26 And after this Cain repented having slain his brother, and he was sadly grieved, and he wept over him and it vexed him exceedingly. 27 And Cain rose up and dug a hole in the field, wherein he put his brother's body, and he turned the dust over it.
@undergroundpublishing
2 күн бұрын
Well that's obviously BS. Because nobody was eating meat at that time, and iron implements weren't invented until the 7th generation from Cain. Good to know that the book of Jasher is complete fiction.
@SaneNoMore
Күн бұрын
Jasher is not scripture. While it might be interesting it can not be used to add to or modify the word of God.
@Resist.Tyranny
Күн бұрын
@@SaneNoMore True. Didn't say it was scripture or that we should add or modify God's word by it. But here we are talking about multiple manuscripts which ARE considered scripture, and yet they do not agree. In cases like that extrabiblical history can be helpful. In this case it is minimally helpful, especially considering the book of Jasher has had many fakes. But Jasher is referenced more than once in scripture.
@robertedwards909
19 сағат бұрын
The protosant delima it says scripture alone. B can't define what is scripture.
@markrademaker5875
3 күн бұрын
The LXX has [i can send you the source] Daniel 12:1, two ways, (1) "And at that hour Michael" and (2) "And at that [appointed] time Michael". (The reason i have "appointed" bracketed is because i think the word "kairos", not "chronos", is used.) Well, in the resurrection Passage, from Jesus's Mouth, in John 5:28,29, Jesus is quoting the Daniel Passage which uses the word "hour", i believe. Therefore, i think John 5:28,29 & 1 Corinthians 15, that is, The Resurrection Passages are not speaking of a supposed resurrection at a supposed end of time but rather the resurrection of those that lived in the Old Covenant [OC] age (think Daniel, David etal.). I believe the OC people could not go to the third heaven [2 Cor. 12] because Christ's salvific work had yet to be completed. So to speak, the OC people from the OC age were resurrected, some to a "resurrection of life" and some to "the resurrection of judgement" in, i am thinking, AD70. Also, pretty please, with nuts and a cherry on top, talk with Henry Smith Jr. before doing a video on the LXX chronologies. Thanks for listening. 🙂 1 John 4:10,11
@JR-rs5qs
2 күн бұрын
Genesis 2:17 in the LXX...You will die by death.
@alanhales6369
Күн бұрын
You can't believe that Septuagint, because they change so many meanings and added more books to it, books that weren't in the Old Testament Hebrew canon.
@timeoftheend7156
2 күн бұрын
There are no hidden gems in the septuagint, the only gems in it are the ones that Origin didnt tampered with and were left alone faithful to the original hebrew. It amazes me how people can be so easily fooled, how can people trust a book that came from Alexandria, and also do you really think Jesus was reading a greek scroll in the synagogue?
@JR-rs5qs
2 күн бұрын
Do you think Hebrew is a 'holy' language or something?
@timeoftheend7156
2 күн бұрын
@@JR-rs5qs Hebrew is not holy, English is not holy, Greek is not holy, Spanish is not holy, but it is kinda dumb to trust a Greek document with shady origins, that that was translated (and altered from an original Hebrew one) as the one we have to trust, makes zero sense. It makes more sense to translate directly into English from the Hebrew itself
@stormchaser9738
2 күн бұрын
What do you do with areas where the Dead Sea scrolls agree with the Septuagint and not the Masoretic text?
@brianmefford630
2 күн бұрын
I agree that it makes no sense for Jesus to be reading greek to a jewish congregation. Luke is recording that event in greek after the fact. What makes you say Origen corrupted anything?
@JR-rs5qs
2 күн бұрын
@brianmefford630 Jews spoke Koine Greek in those days. Barely any Jews knew Hebrew; only some priests. It's not that Luke is just recording it in Greek after the fact. It's the language that they all spoke.
@undergroundpublishing
2 күн бұрын
Luke doesn't have to be right. He could have copied this up to agent or a temple record to add Canaan but still be wrong. If you look at the step to a giant version of first Chronicles, Canaan is not in there. Also the genealogy allows for Methuselah to still be alive after the flood if you look at the one in Genesis 5. This is what you get when you hold religiously to dogma about infallibility against reason. There is a misquote in Matthew accrediting a prophecy to Jeremiah when it was actually accredited to Zachariah. There are also three Kings missing from the line of David to make the 3 14s stick. It just so happens that those kings were murdered by the priesthood, with the exception of the one that was murdered by Jehu Right after he started. If the temple records were the source of Matthew's genealogy and the temple records scrubbed them out to justify there being murdered, then Matthew is both a factual record, and a historical error. The same goes with Luke's genealogy. If the priesthood Captain erroneous record that aligned with the book of Jubilees, and Luke got his genealogy from that record, (or from the Septuagint), he would both be factually accurate and historically inaccurate.
@Neboviews
Күн бұрын
Given the obvious agenda the Masoretes probably had, their text has no credibility over the Septuagint for me. Glad you're revealing the differences.
@canadianexplorer2451
2 күн бұрын
1. stop comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic text to prove or disprove either: LXX translated between the 1st & 3rd century, Masoretic text written (not translated BUT written between the 7th & 10th centuries) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint#:~:text=Modern%20scholarship%20holds%20that%20the,the%20Hebrew%20are%20well%2Dattested en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text#:~:text=It%20was%20primarily%20copied%2C%20edited,the%20early%2011th%20century%20CE 2. Jesus nor the Apostles quoted the LXX or the Masoretic - they quoted scripture! (Neither was written / translated at the time Jesus was here) 3. If there scripture missing form either refer to Jesus' and the apostle's words - they wrote or quoted the original 4. The Septuagint was ONLY the Pentateuch, additions were made over time. The original LXX translation is only the Pentateuch and any comparing between it and other early translations/copies/scripture/text should only be done through the books of the Pentateuch 5. Since we're comparing anyway --- the Masoretic intentionally excludes several key verses, genealogic ages, and parts of scripture. These alter the meanings and context. Also, the missing son of Arpachshad AND the additional 100 yrs of each generation between Shem and Abraham do two major things: 1st these additional yrs allow there to be enough people (based on very modest population growth estimates) to have easily built the tower of babel AND expand the archeology timeline to allow the flood to have happened before the building of the pyramids (lack of (or rather no) evidence of water erosion shows they would have been build after. Bottom Line - JESUS DID NOT QUOTE THE SEPTUAGINT or the Masoretic Text - HE and the Apostles ONLY quoted true scripture.
@brianmefford630
2 күн бұрын
The wiki article you cite says the masoretic was copied. You say it was written. A copy needs a source, which in your timeline could only be the originals, the lxx, or some version of the christian/hebrew books, all of which did not exist (except the originals) until some point after the cross. So even if copy and written mean different things the discrepencies between the two still exist. Which means the originals must have existed up until the time the masoretic was either copied or written, which leaves the lxx high and dry. So there must have been two different forms of originals OR the christian bible as we now possess it is the original? If this is so, how do you work past NT variations?
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