Why are you stealing the history of Ukraine and the Kievan Rus and appropriating it to Muscovites? Doesn't the fact that Kiev isn't in "Russia" throw you off a little bit?
@slava791
2 ай бұрын
Could you remind please what was the capital of the Kievan Rus before the kiev itself hmm?
@krulidn
2 ай бұрын
@@slava791 The history of Ukraine isn't easy to trace, nor can you claim a consistent polity or continuity until the Kievan Rus was established in Kiev. Muscovites have their own history stemming from the Mongol invasion, in historical Moscow. That the Moscovite dynasties laid claim to the Rus and essentially took it over, doesn't entitle them to the history of Ukraine or the Kievan Rus.
@aleksandrs1422
2 ай бұрын
@@krulidn Russian people trace their lineage, history and culture to the Rurik dynasty. This trace is consistenent and uninterrupted. Russians had a culture, they had a state or multiple states as is typical globally, and in Europe where Russian state originates from the first Varangian rulers of Rus. Modern Ukrainian claims to Kievan Rus are weird and clumsy attemps to backfill history for a very modern political entity. The idea that Russia is a Mongolian state or some such is, of course, laughable. Russia had multiple capitals throughout its history, both before and after it had a capital in Kiev.
@krulidn
2 ай бұрын
@@aleksandrs1422 If you co-opt the history of another people, it's easy to claim yours legitimate and theirs not. Modern Russian's claiming lineage form the Kievan Rus would be the equivalent of the English monarch post Norman conquest claiming lineage and history to pre-Roman Britons. Ukraine as cogent historical and political boundaries dating back as an SSR within the USSR and prior Russian Empire. Even in the current Russian Federation there are many peoples and cultures. If Ukraine really was just Russia, then it wouldn't be Ukraine. Which is why this is just Russian wet dreams. Muscovites don't attempt to appropriate all of these histories into their own only because it would be so obviously a fallacy and it doesn't fall within their desires to fabricate a grand golden age outside of naked imperial aggression. Their attempts to co-opt the Kievan Rus is just that.
@aleksandrs1422
2 ай бұрын
@@krulidn there is no attempt to co-opt, brother. There's a determination to preserve and continue. There's a reason Russia is called Russia for centuries and people who actually do try to co-opt the history of these people and this culture try to rename it using one of its capitals. Ukraine isn't "just Russia", it's Ukraine. It is not called Rus and there's a reason for that. 1991 to 2014 being the longest period of Ukrainian statehood in recorded history just doesn't sit well with some people. Which is a shame because it's such a small thing to lie for. Ukraine has such a rich culture of its own and not being a formal state for most of its history is part of what makes it special. This attempt to make it a boring gray nation state of European type seems to me a branding and marketing attempt. It's probably led by people who see European nation-states as the model, the ideal way for a culture to be. And its aimed as a product for European leaders to buy. A part of "becoming European". Which is a shame, primarily for people who value true Ukrainian culture.
@arcanios806
2 ай бұрын
Pure Russian propaganda channel...just listen to the last 30 seconds...
@aleksandrs1422
2 ай бұрын
Sounds like the simple truth to me
@arcanios806
2 ай бұрын
@@aleksandrs1422 Russian troll
@aleksandrs1422
2 ай бұрын
@@arcanios806 I'm also correct)
@arcanios806
2 ай бұрын
@@aleksandrs1422 You are telling lies like the maker of this video and the Krmalin itself.
@aleksandrs1422
2 ай бұрын
@@arcanios806 let's get specific. Can you point to the lie? At best, this video gives interpretations of events. You can argue on the fringes of them, but mostly they seem solid to me
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