This was fantastic. Ten times more informative than anything produced by the History Channel.
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I really appreciate the kind words. More on this period of history to come soon!
@AliAhmed-ve5xl
3 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy mittanis were indo Aryan Sindis
@johnmanno2052
3 жыл бұрын
Dear Cy: I'm always deeply impressed with your erudition and scholarship, and the deft way you present all this fragmentary and rather murky history. I would love it if you made a video on the various competing chronologies of the Bronze Age. I know that there are different schools of thought on this topic, and I'd love to hear what you, someone I see as an expert, thinks. I'd also love to see a video from you on just how incredibly difficult it was for scholars to painstakingly piece together a "history" of this region, given that there are really no contemporary written histories as we know them, and given the obscurity, ambiguity, and fragmentary nature of the source material.
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
A mitanni temple was found in my kurdish village which is about 3000 years old im proud of my ancestors
@APALA-wr6fe
2 жыл бұрын
what does your ancestors have to do with it, the Hurrians are the ancestors of the Armenians, and the Kurds are actually not a people, you are a Yazidis
@yilmaz4422
2 жыл бұрын
@@APALA-wr6fe Armenians are hurricanes? lmao. don't they claim to be urartu? yazidi is a religion. don't tell me that Kurds are not a people. Kurds are medians and hurrians.
@APALA-wr6fe
2 жыл бұрын
@@yilmaz4422 The Hurrians are the ancestors of the Urartians = Armenians
@YesNoMaybe-kp7px
Жыл бұрын
@@yilmaz4422 Don’t mind this ignorant fool. He’s probably jealous that his own ancestry isn’t as rich and fascinating as the Kurdish people’s ancestry.
@matrixxx3662
Жыл бұрын
@@yilmaz4422 Medians and Mittani are ancestors of Kurds. Not Hurrians. Hurrians were J2. That is only higly active Northern Iraq. R1a is the main haplogroup of Kurds.
@ZotyaPotyaZTA
5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are getting better and better, thanks for the great work
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
No, thank you for taking interest in this stuff. Just knowing that there are others out there who also like learning about these civilizations makes it worth while!
@eyyubyilmaz2098
Жыл бұрын
My ancestors ruled those lands ❤☀️💚
@dariusrezai8319
3 жыл бұрын
We’ll done HISTORY WITH CY. You’ve done a great job mate
@HistorywithCy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad that you liked this! More on the way, perhaps even a remake of this one, stay tuned and safe!
@johnrohde5510
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a little surprised there was no mention of the Indic names of gods and kings, as well as the maryanu among the Mittani.
@keyaksarates7439
3 жыл бұрын
Maryan is a young warrior in Kurdish
@zagrepcanin82
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I know...and kurds are geneticaly most simillar to us...Croats...Hrvati...desendands of Hurrians/Mittani. Or as we called our country back then Hurvat kingdom. There is still a folk song being sang....in english it goes....Maryan Maryan why dont you wave the flag? One more thing conects us brother....we both fought turks....you still are fighting them while we fought them for 300y protecting europe from that plague
@johnrohde5510
3 жыл бұрын
@@zagrepcanin82 Hurrian is a non-Indo-European language. Croatian is a Slavonic and therefore Indo-European language. The names of some Mittanian gods and kings are Indic. While Indic languages are Indo-European it is not ancestral to Slavonic. If we believe that the Croats were originally a Sarmatian elite imposed on a Slavonic population or even a Slavicised Sarmatian tribe, it would still make their ancestry part of the Iranian, rather than the Indic branch of the Indo-Iranian family.
@zagrepcanin82
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnrohde5510 if you are interested in subject check out fb page "White Croatia-Bijela Velika Hrvatska" And learn...cheers mate
@venom6885
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnrohde5510 slavonic and celto germans tongue is sanskrit Farsy aramaic dialect indo europeans yamnaaya scitians sarmat and masaget aryans hittites was Branch of mittani turcic iranians who formed central Asia masagetae
@mafabarzani9621
4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation and so happy that history is revisited now I know the kurds are older than I knew. All those info- Eouropean race are kin to kurds today and look today how Arabs Turks and persian can not Eleminate them thanks to god
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad that you liked the presentation...stay safe!
@mrwersa1
3 жыл бұрын
Persians are also indo-european
@ET-jb1he
3 жыл бұрын
Hurrians arent indo europeans
@Yrkr785
3 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy these aren’t Kurds they’re Armenians Kurdish is indo Iranian and didn’t show up until the Medes did. Plus only Armenian contains hurrian words
@KM-bh1me
3 жыл бұрын
@@Yrkr785 Kurds and Armenians came from a common ancestor they share the same genes according to new genetic tests done on the Kurds in Iraq, Iran and Turkey.
@EnricoDandolo1204
5 жыл бұрын
Unrelated to anything, but I held an original letter of Hammurapi in my hand this morning. On one hand, pretty amazing. On the other hand, I could barely make out more than a handful of signs :D
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
WOW, that's awesome! Where was this? to hold stuff like that's my dream. Usually everything I've seen is behind a glass case or thick rope. Just curious, who was the letter to? Zimri-Lim or one of Hummurabi's governors? Doesn't matter really, still so cool!
@EnricoDandolo1204
5 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy it's a letter to Shamash-hazir, at that point governor of Larsa. I haven't actually read it yet, but our professor told us it's about his land reform there.
@jimmmount3287
3 ай бұрын
I've been watching these in reverse order and I am so thankful you've dropped the "ahhhh" and "uhhhh" keep up the great work
@HistorywithCy
3 ай бұрын
Haha yeah this whole channel is a work in progress and I hope to keep improving. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@saddha1
Жыл бұрын
Also there is a connection between Abraham and the Mitanni as well. For example the 5 Books of Moses,”our God is one” uses the Sanskrit word for one, Ekad.
@Nechirvankocherneko
4 жыл бұрын
Mitanni = kurds
@papazataklaattiranimam
4 жыл бұрын
Nechirvan Selim They were Indic(Sanskrit peoples),have nothing to do with kurds. While the Mitanni kings were Indo-Aryan, they used the language of the local people, which was at that time a non-Indo-European language, Hurrian. Their sphere of influence is shown in Hurrian place names, personal names and the spread through Syria and the Levant of a distinct pottery type.
@hiwaubaid1942
4 жыл бұрын
Nechirvan Selim the Aryans are Indians since when prove please ?
@hiwaubaid1942
4 жыл бұрын
Sword of Justice please let me know when the Aryans were in India ?
@kurdekibedin1347
4 жыл бұрын
@@papazataklaattiranimam every kurd has genes from india. Search on KZitem "kurdish myheritage"
@brss4761
3 жыл бұрын
mitanni are kurds
@danieljones9463
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this well made presentation. The emblem of the Mitanni Standard is very interesting, with its bow and wings and Lions and Ibis'(?maybe Seagulls?) I assume this symbol was found on walls of ruins in the Mitanni Empire? I wonder what the Lions represent and why do the birds ride on their backs? What is the origin and significance of the eight pointed star in the circle?
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for stopping by! To be honest I'm not 100% sure of the specifics, though what you see on the cover is reportedly from the official seal of king Shaustartar. The eight-pointed figure could be a star but I've also read that it represents the sun. I'll try to find the exact symbolism for you and if I do will let you know. I'm glad you commented on this... makes me think about it more too.
@danieljones9463
4 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy Thank you for the courteous reply, "Cy". After looking at your depiction of the "Mitanni Symbol", I realized (or imagined that I realized) that the overall design is in the Carry Standard Form of the Steppe Nomads. The shaft shape, protruding downward from the circled star, or sun image suggests this to me. The curved bow reinforces this impression. Makes me think that the Mitanni were once Steppe Nomads. But it is interesting that "King Shaustartar" retained the elements of this symbol, even though the "Mitanni" had been building large settled communities for a long time. Are there images of Mitanni riding Horses?
@AliAhmed-ve5xl
3 жыл бұрын
@@danieljones9463 mittanis were indo Aryan Sindis
@keyaksarates7439
3 жыл бұрын
Yazdanî Kurds use this symbol
@deldarkurd5818
2 жыл бұрын
a Kurdich Mittani Midya empire wiht Wachokanyi the Capital ✌🏼🐅🦅
@kurdokurdistan5933
4 жыл бұрын
The Kurds for sure!
@markoskejic5028
4 жыл бұрын
Croatians...Hurrian/Hurravat/Hurrvuhe....
@KurdishHeritage
4 жыл бұрын
@@markoskejic5028 I have read something about a Croat-Kurdish ethnic (?) or linguistic connection that is closer than other ethnic groups losely related to Kurds, the names being similar (Kurd-Kroat) and the similarity between Hurrian and Hrvat which are also considered to be among the ancestors of Kurds is interesting. I am not an expert and have just read it as a theory somewhere some time ago.
@markoskejic5028
3 жыл бұрын
@@KurdishHeritage it is a possibility
@thetartanu1535
3 жыл бұрын
BS.
@ytcio
3 жыл бұрын
How?
@Daēnā-Vanguhi
3 жыл бұрын
the star of Ištar in the winged solar disc, very Mesopotamian
@judikingsman6132
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Cy. I enjoy listening to your voice and your fabulous pronunciation of names. Your accent is intriguing. 💥💕😁
@hoslabara2703
2 ай бұрын
Mittani hurrian Empire is Indo iranian Indo Aryan Empire their names similar with Sanskrit name such Tushrath - dasharath Saushtatar- sasasttra Mittani is solar Dynasty who worship Solar god mithra Also called Surian/Hurrian Syria name comes from Suria Hittite also called Hattusa/Satyasa also a Aryan Dynasty
@biljanamilanovic1682
4 жыл бұрын
Mai sentito queste storie. Grazie tante! Oramai le sue storie sono per me favole per la buonanotte!
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yeah, they are a civilization that is not talked out much...the Hittites and the Assyrians, also in the video, are much better known.
@zzulm
Жыл бұрын
Nice storytelling 👍👍👍
@HistorywithCy
Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😀
@Ardonbb
Жыл бұрын
Mittani Kurds hurrian speaking group Also kassite 🇹🇯👑. Please more about guttian hurrian kassite mittani .
@TechraceIn
8 ай бұрын
Mittani kings have sanskrit names and they worshipped same god that mentioned in vedas. May be Some relation with ancient vedic people.
@theblackbox2847
4 жыл бұрын
Kurdistan one day make mittani proud. Hell to our enemy
@sargondaniel1221
4 жыл бұрын
The black Box is there anything Kurds won’t claim? Your not even from the Middle East
@kurdekibedin1347
4 жыл бұрын
@@sargondaniel1221 and you "modern Assyrians" are immigrants from israel, you have nothing to do with the old Assyrians.
@kurdekibedin1347
4 жыл бұрын
@@sargondaniel1221 Remember: if you play the game "you actually came from somewhere else, you get nothing" with us, we will play the same game with you :)
@KurdishKing-v2e
6 ай бұрын
@@sargondaniel1221kurds are hurrian origin
@aryyancarman705
4 жыл бұрын
when i first heard about it i started to feel dizzy asi was too shocked that an indo aryan group was residing there in Anatolia,far away from the other indo Aryans here in India(if it would've been the Iranians/other indo Europeans etc i wouldve been less shocked
@AliAhmed-ve5xl
3 жыл бұрын
Mittanis were Indo Aryan Sindis
@sahilsingh6048
Жыл бұрын
@@AliAhmed-ve5xl no
@Shiva-nx1tn
7 ай бұрын
Not find his only indians@@AliAhmed-ve5xl
@nasserBack
Жыл бұрын
May i ask what is the name of the music played around min 12:45 ? Thank u
@OAKIE9531
4 жыл бұрын
most excellent
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
@mafabarzani9621
4 жыл бұрын
Why Noah’s Ark setteld on that mountain where the kurds live now?
@varg3952
3 жыл бұрын
Yea kurds settled "now" there 100 years ago they were settled there from their turkish masters when the real indiginous settlers the armenians were killed learn history man...
@KurdishKing-v2e
6 ай бұрын
Rubbish kid
@infostar8177
7 ай бұрын
40 million Kurds now, what do you think they were frozen at that time.
@savantianprince
3 жыл бұрын
What did the mittani look like? How did they dress.
@ytcio
3 жыл бұрын
They wore Lee Cooper jeans
@ichigoapanchal9935
Жыл бұрын
things would have gotten more confusing cause hey also spoke indo-ayran Language, It seems the names mittani names got bit butchered, due to English not having proper pronounes, Kinda like how persian kings name got butcherd by Greeks
@shreyvaghela3963
Жыл бұрын
Mlonly mitanni elite were indo aryans . Majority of population were hurricane their culture was hurrian
@uryen921
Ай бұрын
12:56 You almost failed there 😂
@shyhand1
3 ай бұрын
Are they.. Hyksos?
@Hbjclkb
4 жыл бұрын
Hurrian, Mitani are Kurds(Kurdish)
@lobsonglobster4135
3 жыл бұрын
Mittani were Indians
@DaddyOactive
3 жыл бұрын
Mitaanis used Sanskrit as their language and so had lineages from India
@knowledgedesk1653
2 жыл бұрын
@@AngelicaLatvian99 So are you Arabs
@مرتاحالناصير
2 жыл бұрын
No
@Coldbrew365
2 жыл бұрын
Lol who the hell told you that?
@d1p70
2 жыл бұрын
it's the opposite. they were the precursor or the origin of the sanskrit language used in india and rig veda. please dont spread misinformation.
@sahilsingh6048
Жыл бұрын
@@d1p70 neither this is correct nor the above one
@ytcio
3 жыл бұрын
Are there really so many records to tell all these stories?
@hassanminbaghdad
8 ай бұрын
Isn't the name Artatama quite similar in structure to Old Persian names like Ardaxshathra? Or is it just a coincidence? also weird that Artatama II was so pro-Assyrian when the Assyrians razed his capital
@Saraswathiputra
5 ай бұрын
Those mittani people have sanskrit names as clear!! Where were those names occur in Kurdish!! Those people were from ancient Bharat Varsh whose Royal emblem is peacock!!! Is syria has peacock!! Is anybody knows peacock there!! Those peacocks only found in India and most of the Royalty peacock is holy!! You people are Iranian origin or Asura !! But mittanis are Suras Aryans!!
@shindarose3130
4 жыл бұрын
Mitani is kurdish kingdom washukani is sere kaney now which Turkey attak it .
@angeal7777
2 жыл бұрын
Mitanni is Hurrian, no relation to Kurds.
@zinetv5498
2 жыл бұрын
@@angeal7777 Is kurdish
@zinetv5498
2 жыл бұрын
@williamperese yes was
@erm.9928
2 жыл бұрын
@@angeal7777 Kuds are from Zagros Mountains. They came later to Mesopotamia! Kurds say that all Kingdoms of Anatolia from East to West and all Civilisations of Mesopotamia, North to South are the Ancestors of Kurds. It have many other ancient People in this Region that only Kurds and their Ancestors.
@kurdishart5952
2 жыл бұрын
@@angeal7777 yes they are kurd
@keyaksarates7439
3 жыл бұрын
Mittanian horse training : Êka vartana dva vartana thre vartana chatru vartana panza vartana Kurdish : êk werdhan di werdhan sê/hîrê werdhan çar werdhan penj panz werdhan Vartana means maneuvre in Mittanian in Kurdish werdhan werzan
@alokpatnaik692
3 жыл бұрын
Eka, Dvi, Tri, Chatur, Pancha are “Sanskrit” (Indian) numerals for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
@keyaksarates7439
3 жыл бұрын
@@alokpatnaik692 Kurds count like that Yes there is strong connection with Indians
@EnginAtik
4 жыл бұрын
Fertile lands of Mitanni is flat and hard to defend. Instead of getting decimated by the enemy they would better share the riches of the land. Artatama II’s flip-flopping could be because if this as opposed to a character flaw.
@sargondaniel1221
6 ай бұрын
Kurds have nothing to do with medes or MItani.
@19BenZ57
4 жыл бұрын
from PERSIA ArmeniA with Passion
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for stopping by! My ancestry is Persian too!
@AliAhmed-ve5xl
3 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy Mittani were Indo Aryan Sindis They were called Sindi people
@SalahRamezanian
2 жыл бұрын
😂
@andrewsanders7636
3 ай бұрын
What is your ethnicity (asking without sinister intent)[your choice to answer or ghost]
@AngeloCapra
11 ай бұрын
To defines Mitanni an Hurrian kingdom is not totally correct or exact!! The population settled in that territory was Hurrian but it was ruled by an Indo-European military elite that call himself Mahariannu that it means great Arians, your language was similar Indo Iranian !
@matrixxx3662
Жыл бұрын
The Yezidis are are most likely their descendants as they are also the only ones In Middle East who still follow hindu customs.
@vladof_putler
Жыл бұрын
जय इन्द्र जय मित्र जय सूर्य जय अश्विन कुमार जय सनातन धर्म।।।
@danas4065
2 жыл бұрын
What happened to the hurrians they have any Descendants today
@d1p70
2 жыл бұрын
yes. northern india and pakistan.
@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
Жыл бұрын
Their population mixed with newcomers like Hittites,Assyrians are Arameans and with time assumed other cultures and languages. The same happened with the Sumerians gradually after Sargon and with Elamites after The Medes & Persians.
@kashmagoorun2900
10 ай бұрын
❤☀🐊
@siddharthlaidi
Жыл бұрын
Mittani Empire kings were Vedic Hindus 🕉️ They had migrated from India 🇮🇳
@KurdishKing-v2e
11 ай бұрын
Hhhhh😂😂😂😂😂
@Shiva-nx1tn
7 ай бұрын
@@KurdishKing-v2eyou can check it in google they worship hindu gods .They also have Indian names also used later sanskrit
@KurdishKing-v2e
6 ай бұрын
@@Shiva-nx1tneven Indians don't want to be Indian stop ur propaganda 😂😂😂😂😂
@alva72nashir3
Жыл бұрын
look like hindi
@hayots_lernashkharh
Жыл бұрын
Hurrians were a proto-armenian tribe, the Mitanni was a kingdom of Hurrian origins. Hurri (A hurrian) translates to “little fire” in Armenian as Mitanni translates to “Mi Tanni” or “One-House” in Armenian 🇦🇲🇦🇲
The language called Armenian is mostly Parthian. Parthians, akurdish clan. If there was no Kurdish, there would be no Armenian.
@MCorpReview
4 жыл бұрын
Assawa = Mycenaean greeks? No true friends 👫 no permanent enemies in politics
@AliAhmed-ve5xl
3 жыл бұрын
Mittanis were Sindis not Kurds
@SalahRamezanian
2 жыл бұрын
@@AliAhmed-ve5xl 😃😂😃
@crackingsealsandliftingvei5914
2 жыл бұрын
Hurrians are Horites. Horites are the Shemsu Hor of pre dynastic Kemet. Hor + ites=Hor/Horus/Heru + ites=followers of. Horites are followers of Heru. The mighty men of old Shemsu Hor. Akhenaten bloodline is Hurrian. Hurrians are from Mt Ararat. Arrata. Armenian=Hurrians Horites=Shemsu Hor
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
Armenians came from the urrartians hurrians are today kurds they can't be armenians they lived in our land
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
And they are not from ararat ararat belonged to them and the capital was today washukani today kurdisg city
@crackingsealsandliftingvei5914
2 жыл бұрын
@@sizaromo Wrong.
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
@@crackingsealsandliftingvei5914 no not wrong. They are 100% kurd indo european and nothing to do with armenians
@somedudestolemyname
4 жыл бұрын
Armenians are the only people of the modern day to have the legacy of the Urarto-Hurrians embedded within our culture, our language has numerous borrowings from the Hurrian language: arciw "eagle" - from Urartian Arṣiba, a proper name with a presumed meaning of "eagle"; art "field" - from Hurrian arde "town" (rejected by Diakonoff and Fournet); astem "to reveal one's ancestry" - from Hurrian ašti "woman, wife"; caṙ "tree" - from Urartian ṣârə "garden"; cov "sea" - from Urartian ṣûǝ "(inland) sea"; kut "grain" - from Hurrian kade "barley" (rejected by Diakonoff; closer to Greek kodomeýs "barley-roaster"); maxr ~ marx "pine" - from Hurrian māḫri "fir, juniper"; pełem "dig, excavate" - from Urartian pile "canal", Hurrian pilli (rejected by Diakonoff); salor ~ šlor "plum" - from Hurrian *s̄all-orə or Urartian *šaluri (cf. Akkadian šallūru "plum"); san "kettle" - from Urartian sane "kettle, pot"; sur "sword", - from Urartian šure "sword", Hurrian šawri "weapon, spear" (considered doubtful by Diakonoff); tarma-ǰur "spring water" - from Hurrian tarman(l)i "spring"; ułt "camel" - from Hurrian uḷtu "camel"; xarxarel "to destroy" - from Urartian harhar-š- "to destroy"; xnjor "apple" - from Hurrian ḫinzuri "apple" (itself from Akkadian hašhūru, šahšūru). This is something that no other claimant to the Hurrians has, since no other language shares these words.
@varg3952
3 жыл бұрын
Thats right armenian are a mix of hurrians and indoeuropean hurrians and urartian were not indoeuropean they were caucasian indiginous people on armenian highland
@somedudestolemyname
3 жыл бұрын
@@varg3952 lol there is no proof of ""urartians"" being indigenous caucasians the only people behind that thesis is exclusively turkish sources, the same people that say sumerian is t*rkish language
@cinsifrit9860
3 жыл бұрын
@@somedudestolemyname idiot , hurro-urartuans are very well attested caucasian language.
@cinsifrit9860
3 жыл бұрын
@@somedudestolemyname also hattians are caucasian too
@somedudestolemyname
3 жыл бұрын
@@cinsifrit9860 lol its clear who the idiot is, köçekler boy hurro urartian is in its own language category, its not caucasian. hattians and hurrian is anatolian language, not caucasian. shhh
@miban8228
3 жыл бұрын
Mittani=mana=armana=arminia,нечего тут спорить!
@DharmvirKumar-k2z
4 ай бұрын
Mitanni As indian
@kurdishart5952
2 жыл бұрын
kurdish empire ❤️⭐💚
@keyaksarates7439
3 жыл бұрын
Also Mittanian horse trainer's name aspusani aspazani literally means knowing horses in Kurdish hespzani
@dariusrezai8319
3 жыл бұрын
We know the Mittani were the descendants of the present day Kurds it’s very obvious they lived in the exact same region
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
@@दीपकनागर-थ5छ they were today kurds in my kurdish village in kurdistan many of their temples are found they are littirely kuds
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
@@दीपकनागर-थ5छ bruh no. The mitannians cam from south caucasus
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
@@दीपकनागर-थ5छ anyway they are the ancestors of kurds today and not indiand or sum
@sizaromo
2 жыл бұрын
@@दीपकनागर-थ5छ the language has many similar things to ours but it has no family languages
@Popperite
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder why you didn’t mention that when the Hurrian Kingdom became the Mittani Kingdom, the Hurrian speaking people of it became ruled by an invading (probably) elite that used a version of the Indo-European Vedic or Sanskrit language also known from India. Which in itself is a mysterious circumstance. It seems that this elite used not only Vedic or something akin to that as an official language, but also revered some of the Gods from that tradition.
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
Hi, and thanks for your insightful comment. Yes, that is a theory and it's backed up by evidence, such as the Indo-European names of various rulers (Artatama, Tushratta, Shaushtatar, etc). Also, the Indo-Iranian god Mithra has also been mentioned in some Hurrian texts...in one article I even read that Ahura Mazda was mentioned in a treaty. This is all extremely interesting. However, I didn't focus on that theory or the Indo-European connection for a couple of reasons; one is that the program was getting too long. I really wish I could discuss all that I want in these videos but then they'd take forever to put together. The other main reason is that despite the evidence, this theory is still quite controversial among scholars, at least that's what I gathered from my research. I didn't want to go too deep into that in a basic, overview video about the Mitanni. However, after researching it more, it may be a good topic for another future video. Thanks though for bringing this up. I appreciate it and am honestly, absolutely thrilled that there are people like you out there who really are into this stuff. More to come soon!
@Popperite
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Cy. Sorry for the delay. One is busy with other things sometimes. Thanks for your clear answer. I always thought that there were more sources for that, like cuneiform in an Indo European language from Mittani. I suppose I was mistaken about that. Thanks a lot for the clarification!
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
@@Popperite No worries, I'm really glad there are people like you who are into this stuff and want to know more. Thanks for stopping by and please let me know if have any other questions!
@papazataklaattiranimam
5 жыл бұрын
Buyuk Iskender Hurrice Kafkasya dil ailesinde 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sen nerede olduğunu unuttun gene🤣🤣🤣😄😄
@enkisonofanu2301
3 жыл бұрын
@@Popperite Mitanni cylinder seals show many Indo-Aryan motifs such as the Brahmani/Zebu Bull, the Bhodi/Ficus religiosa/sacred fig tree, a goddess holding a mirror which was a regular practice found in many Indo-Aryn cultures, also we find images of fish which could point to the story of Manu and the flood where Brahma or Vishnu appeared as a large fish to save mankind and we have other seals from Mohenjo-Daro in Nuzi similar to Mitanni seals. As you probably know Indian god's names appear in a peace treaty between Mitanni and Hatti, such as Mithra, Varuna, Indra and Nasatyas also, many Sanskrit words where found in a horse training manual this is not to mention that Mitanni kings had names with Sanskrit suffixes. For some reason or another, this area and time period of northern Mesopotamia has a dark history - including the Kasittes - and one wonders if there is a deliberate effort to keep it so because of the controversial issue of Ibraham's name which is similar to Brahma thus pointing the figure that Ibraham could have been or was a descendant of and Indo-Aryan tribe/group that moved to the southern Levant for reasons such as population pressure due to wars.
@harrank2786
5 жыл бұрын
Washukanni or Vassukanni in kurdish means: Kani= source, well. Washe= generally means tasty, beautiful, nice. Vassu in kurdish also mean Good. The name Washukanni is similar to the Kurdish word bashkani, bash meaning good and kanî meaning well or source. There are 100's kurdish tribes speaking different kurdish dialogue. One of those kurdish tribes called Metîna tribe claims to be direct descendants of Mitanni people. Carchemish: In kurdish means: Car = is number 4, and chemish- wooden roof for the house.
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
Oh interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks so much for sharing!
@humblehurrian205
5 жыл бұрын
They are in fact, descendants of the Mittani and the Hurrians and the Kassite's and Hittites to a lesser extent. But they remember, and many still remember. It will matter very soon, this I will let time prove, it's bigger than any of us.
@ghanvedsingh8946
5 жыл бұрын
@@humblehurrian205 my friend hurrians are called in India as hudda that has come through greek Huddian and then from Persian became hudda
@papazataklaattiranimam
5 жыл бұрын
Charchemish Mish Oğlum iki kelime buldun uygarlığımı mı sahipleniyon kafana sokam Sümerlerde 150kelime Türkçe la🤣🤣🤣🤣 Kaldı ki o kelimeler de Farsça😄😄😄
@papazataklaattiranimam
5 жыл бұрын
Buyuk Iskender En azından bu kesin Türkler 2700 yıldır kesin olarak varlar bu dünyanın kabul ettiği bir şey kürt diye bir şey islamdan biraz önce ortaya çıkıyor E tabi onun bunun imparatorluğuna,uygarlığına urartuya mitanniye şuna buna konarsan 5000 yıl yapıyor Gutilerin kürtlerle en ufak alakası yoktur al oku Origin Little is known of the origins, material culture or language of the Guti, as contemporary sources provide few details and no artifacts have been positively identified.[5] As the Gutian language lacks a text corpus, apart from some proper names, its similarities to other languages are impossible to verify. The names of Gutian-Sumerian kings suggest that the language was not closely related to any languages of the region, including Sumerian, Akkadian, Hurrian, Hittite and Elamite. W. B. Henning suggested that the different endings of the king names resembled case endings in the Tocharian languages, a branch of Indo-European known from texts found in the Tarim Basin (in the northwest of modern China) dating from the 6th to 8th centuries CE, making Gutian the earliest documented Indo-European language. He further suggested that they had subsequently migrated to the Tarim.[6] Gamkrelidze and Ivanov explored Henning's suggestion, as possibly supporting their proposal of an Indo-European Urheimat in the Near East.[7][8] However, most scholars reject the attempt to connect two groups of languages, Gutian and Tocharian, that were separated by more than two millennia.[9] Tocharian theory In a posthumously-published article, W. B. Henning suggested that the different endings of the king names resembled case endings in the Tocharian languages, a branch of Indo-European known from texts found in the Tarim Basin (in the northwest of modern China) dating from the 6th to 8th centuries CE.[5] Henning also compared the name Guti with Kuči, the native name of the Tocharian city of Kucha, and with the name of the Yuezhi, pastoral nomads described in Chinese records as living to the east of the Tarim in the 2nd century BCE,[5] although the latter name is usually reconstructed with a *ŋʷ- initial in Old Chinese.[6] He also compared Tukriš, the name of neighbours of the Guti, with the name twγry found in Old Turkish manuscripts from the early 9th century CE and thought to refer to the Tocharians.[5] Gamkrelidze and Ivanov explored Henning's suggestion as possible support for their proposal of an Indo-European Urheimat in the Near East.[7][8] However, most scholars reject the attempt to compare languages separated by more than two millennia.[9]
@eatd1ckboom578
4 жыл бұрын
Both Hurrians and median were kurds
@varg3952
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@papazataklaattiranimam
3 жыл бұрын
😹😹😹🤣🤣🤣
@brukanasireti7704
4 жыл бұрын
Hurian ,urarular,mitani,kurdish
@AliAhmed-ve5xl
3 жыл бұрын
Mittanis were Sindis not Kurds
@varg3952
3 жыл бұрын
Not kurds 🤣😂
@dastankurdi9049
3 жыл бұрын
@@AliAhmed-ve5xl I'm kurdish and my eshiret is sindi we now live in zaxo kurdistan.
@Misto2Istibahratci
Жыл бұрын
Charchemish and Washukanni city names is directly as modern kurdish names. Carhcamish , car gamish and Washukanni. Washu means cleaning and healthy. Kanni water source or source. Washu was also in mitannian religion The god of Healthy. So thats a directly connection to modern kurdish cultur. Kanni is still used by kurds in city names. Washukanni is now called Serekanni.
@Saraswathiputra
5 ай бұрын
Those mittani people have sanskrit names as clear!! Where were those names occur in Kurdish!! Those people were from ancient Bharat Varsh whose Royal emblem is peacock!!! Is syria has peacock!! Is anybody knows peacock there!! Those peacocks found in India and most of the Royalty peacock is holy!! You people are Iranian origin or Asura origin!! But mittani are Suras!!
@spidylov3382
2 ай бұрын
Vasus are Vedic God mentioned in hinduism Mittani were vedic tribe migrated from. India during vedic civilization after indus valley civilization they were worshipper of vedic gods like Aditya, Mitra, indra, Vasu, etc
@Mihemed.Mizizex
5 ай бұрын
Nisebin, the Kurdish city where I currently live, was also the capital of the Mittani State for a while.
@SalahRamezanian
2 жыл бұрын
Kurdish empire
@metinay6425
2 жыл бұрын
Mitannis are Kurds
@julianoalbazi1901
5 жыл бұрын
You deserve many more followers. Always great work, look forward to more!
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words! They're slowly coming. More videos though to come in the near future!
@kurdforever1
3 жыл бұрын
The mitany Are kurdish., and the capital of mitany is city of Mardin, Hity Are zazay kurds Mitany Are Kurmanji kurds And hurian Are Sorany and Gorany kurds
@davidbagratunyan8190
3 жыл бұрын
Of course, and soon Sumer, Assyria, and Babylon will become Kurdish. Isn't it funny yourself? Mitanni was located partly in the Armenian Highlands, and partly in Mesopotamia. In addition to Mitanni, there was also Kizzuwatna, which was located in the Armenian Highlands. According to modern science, the Hurrians were related to the Urarts and belonged to a special Hurro-Urartian family of languages. The Armenians were formed in the process of the merger of some aboriginal peoples of the Bronze Age (Hurrians, Urarts), as well as Indo-Europeans who came from the Balkans (mainly Luwians), who changed their language to Proto-Armenian for various historical reasons (during the time of the Achaemenid Empire, flies, carriers of the Proto-Armenian, were in power in the Armenian Highlands). Modern genetic research also shows this. Trying to prove that someone is related to someone or not related to someone based on language is wrong, since the Hurrians have been known in the region since the 3rd millennium BC. I mean that the same Assyrians changed their language, they speak the Aramaic dialect, not Assyrian. And now about the Kurds. According to the official scientific version, the Kurds come from a small people of Cyrtians who inhabited the mountainous regions at the junction of Medes and Persia. Why do you constantly invent something without proof? Is it difficult to take a history book?
@Sarke2
4 жыл бұрын
I must say the most interesting people in that region from the Bronze Age period, also i am really interested in Hittites, enigmatic i think the Mittani were Indo European speaking people who ruled over Hurrians who were mostly indigenous population, i think Kurds are related to Hurrians and even to older Gutians, but Mittani were different to hem and were more related to Hittite people.
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Hittites or Egyptians (I forget which one but I think it was the Hittites) used to specifically call the "Hurrian Kingdom of the Mitanni" though there is a lot of evidence that at least the ruling class were of Indo-European descent, mostly due to their names, perhaps the use of chariots and the names of some Indo-European gods that were included in some of their treaties. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
@salahuddinayyubial-kurdi8570
3 жыл бұрын
Bro Mitanni are original Kurds because we have a great kurdish Mitanni tribe in west northern Kurdistan. Hurrians and Mitanni are Kurds. Ans their ancestors are Gutians.
@مرتاحالناصير
2 жыл бұрын
The Hurrians are not the Hurrian Kurds, Syrians of the J1 dynasty
@salahuddinayyubial-kurdi8570
2 жыл бұрын
@@مرتاحالناصير 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 Syrian who are speaking Arabic language 😉
@FOWST
5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting like always. I also like the subtle music volume.
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I'm really glad that you like them. Yeah, I'm going to have less or at least much softer music from now on. I think it was a bit too loud in previous vids. Thanks again for stopping by, more to come soon!
@metinay6425
2 жыл бұрын
Mitanni are the Kurdish civilization.
@memetay2777
2 жыл бұрын
Em kurdin em mitanine
@StMiBll
10 ай бұрын
That was excellent! I was recently looking into the Mitanni (Hurrian/Hurro-Urartian) language and its potential classification. Awesome stuff! The Mitanni are an amazing civilizarion to be sure!
@selahaddineyyubielkurdi4051
2 жыл бұрын
they are ancestor of kurds
@kurdisumeri1526
3 жыл бұрын
Mittani was kurd
@noahtylerpritchett2682
3 жыл бұрын
reverse.
@davidbagratunyan8190
3 жыл бұрын
Mitanni was located partly in the Armenian Highlands, and partly in Mesopotamia. In addition to Mitanni, there was also Kizzuwatna, which was located in the Armenian Highlands. According to modern science, the Hurrians were related to the Urarts and belonged to a special Hurro-Urartian family of languages. The Armenians were formed in the process of the merger of some aboriginal peoples of the Bronze Age (Hurrians, Urarts), as well as Indo-Europeans who came from the Balkans (mainly Luwians), who changed their language to Proto-Armenian for various historical reasons (during the time of the Achaemenid Empire, flies, carriers of the Proto-Armenian, were in power in the Armenian Highlands). Modern genetic research also shows this. Trying to prove that someone is related to someone or not related to someone based on language is wrong, since the Hurrians have been known in the region since the 3rd millennium BC. I mean that the same Assyrians changed their language, they speak the Aramaic dialect, not Assyrian. And now about the Kurds. According to the official scientific version, the Kurds come from a small people of Cyrtians who inhabited the mountainous regions at the junction of Medes and Persia. Why do you constantly invent something without proof? Is it difficult to take a history book?
@noahtylerpritchett2682
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidbagratunyan8190 well that and. People mix and overlap and varies person to person so no ancestry is ethnically exclusive.
@matrixxx3662
Жыл бұрын
@@davidbagratunyan8190 According to Iran talk Kurds have over 60% hurrian ancestry.
@Jack2000-fq7ph
3 ай бұрын
The Mitanni might be the kingdom were the ancient Kurdish ancestors ruled. It's people were a mixture of Amorites and Hurrians. The Mitanni wasn't ruled by Hurrians, it was ruled by a dynasty of aryan origin that's why Mitanni rulers have Aryan names.
@TheGerminatorNinisHusband
3 ай бұрын
I have made an alternate history mapping video with an alternate reality where the Egyptians lose to the Mitanni its first mapping video so feel free to check it out!
@selouvam.
2 жыл бұрын
💚♥️💛✌️💪🔥👑🇧🇴
@KurdForever
Жыл бұрын
1:20 anything belonging to modern name Kurds is a bit of a mystery!! not just this one! but all other kingdoms!! strange right? but at the same time 40 / 70 million Kurds living in that region! maybe they came from Mars? History does not tell the truth!! either all belong to "Persia" or other nations! the only way Kurds can get their rights is if they get their own state. The question is why everything is suddenly a mystery when we talk about Sumer, Kassite, Gotian or other powerful kingdoms in that area! Even the Median and Sassanid empires changed to Persia! Why so many historians against "Kurds" what are the benefits for others who are not our neighbors? Genetic dna proves that the Kurds are from the Zagros, so they have never been nomadic people! only 4% are Indo-European!
@redveinborneo4673
Жыл бұрын
A missing piece of the historical puzzle in my mind for the late bronze age. There's always another kingdom to learn about.
@mafabarzani9621
4 жыл бұрын
The Kurds are the last Arian stock exist now, they are the one who keeping the legacy and belonged those Arian kingdom (Hittite,Mittani,Hurrian,Medes,Elamiat,Kassaiat,Uratu Ashkanazi......)
@somedudestolemyname
4 жыл бұрын
kurds have no link to the hurrians or the urartians
@אריעלי
4 жыл бұрын
@@somedudestolemyname the hurrian language and location has alot to do with the Kurdish people, Washukani the capital of hurrian and now is Sarekani Kurdish City in Western Kurdland which means the "the source of spring water"
@אריעלי
4 жыл бұрын
@@somedudestolemyname you are misinformed and have no idea about the indigenous people of this are.. Keep hating, because the Kurdish people are third largest ethnic people in meddle east.. 65 million people aren't just dropped of from the black hole.. Get a life better than hating others
@varg3952
3 жыл бұрын
@@אריעלי no man hes right kurds have nothing to do with hurrians or urartu kurds were iranian tribes
@אריעלי
3 жыл бұрын
@@varg3952 there are no such a thing as bordered to be call Iran!, less than a 100 years ago European mapped Middle East and named Iran. So go read the right sources not the fascist one
@alfredmolison7134
2 жыл бұрын
Very good! Have you seen anything about the development of steel in Mitanni during the Bronze Age? Supposedly Tutankhamen's dagger was crafted in Mitanni from a meteorite. Successful experience with rare meteor iron may have been part of the development of steel in the region prior to the iron age.
@rjdc7047
2 жыл бұрын
but how could MITTANIS speak Sanskrit?
@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
Жыл бұрын
They did not use sankrist . The Mittani population spoke Hurrian but their rulling elite originally had a different culture,religion and language.Their elite language was closer but not the same as sankrist. It is similar to the case with old persian, where is some words are very similar and almost identical to sankrist (but with some differences). All three are not original but came from indo-iranian .
@rjdc7047
Жыл бұрын
@@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526 but then how come sanskrit words are found in their culture, language etc. its contradictory ,isn't it?
@iacko12345
Жыл бұрын
@@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526 Mitanni was not from Indo Iranians but from Indo-Aryan settlers
@umax870
Жыл бұрын
@@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526u are wrong they were indo aryan recently harappan ancestry also found in them.
@mattparker9726
4 жыл бұрын
I seem to have found it. Something I would like to ask for, is there a way to trace bronze age religions and find their modern counterparts, and why and how they have changed into them?
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Hi again, hope you enjoyed the video! In a few cases, yes, though the transition may not be very linear and it depends on the community. After the spread of first Christianity and then Islam, the break with these ancient religions was pretty definite, but often some of the rituals of these older religions remained, they were just put into a new Christian or Islamic context, with their original meanings lost. I'll see if I can find a good book or chapter from a book on this to pass along to you...it's an interesting topic that I myself would also like to learn more about. Thanks again, have a great week and stay safe!
@shapasha6266
7 ай бұрын
All of them Kurdish now
@User-gi2fd
6 ай бұрын
Not even close
@flipjupiter1
5 жыл бұрын
These videos are excellent. Thanks for the hard work putting them together. The history of the ancient mid east is confusing.
@HistorywithCy
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! Yeah, there are many, many peoples and empires to keep track of... in future I'll make one video that sort of makes it easy to see them all and the big picture. Thanks and stay tuned!
@fakhbabr9250
2 жыл бұрын
Mitrani they were kurdish
@Corduene.
2 жыл бұрын
do you have a med connection with mitanni
@TheObserversTV
3 жыл бұрын
For some of the people who are trying to claim as being directly descendant from Hurrian is pretty funny, the Hurrians were a language-isolate (Hurro-Urartian, Anatolian language) which is very different from Kurdish, a Northwest Iranic language, and the Hurrians were split between the north (Hayas/Armenia) and the south (Assyria), there are no records of anything Hurrian in the Neo-Assyrian empire (911-609 BC), as they've been assimilated centuries prior, especially starting around 1270 BC.
@cinsifrit9860
3 жыл бұрын
Hurro-urartuan is not an isolated language they are caucasian
@dariusrezai8319
3 жыл бұрын
No one is saying the Kurds speak the ancient Hurrian language, although there are many words still remaining in the Kurdish language that are Mittani, hurrian, sumerian etc. We are saying that the Hurrians were the ancestors of the present day Kurds as well as Armenians and others but primarily the Kurds. In Kurdish we have these names in different regions even. We believe the name Hurraman which is a Kurdish region in Iran and Iraq are direct descendants of the Hurrians as their language is very different to all the other Kurdish languages. Besides foreigners should not assume something that they have no clue about. It’s like if a Kurd interferes with England’s history but he has never been to England but just read some books. I hope you understand
@TheObserversTV
3 жыл бұрын
@@dariusrezai8319 My statement is based on culture, which is why the Kurds state that their ancestors were the Medes, because of Iranian cultural connection, there are no people today that directly descend from the Hurrians or Sumerians, culturally speaking.
@davidbagratunyan8190
3 жыл бұрын
What? Assimilated? The Hurrians were one of the most numerous peoples of that time. Mitanni was located partly in the Armenian Highlands, and partly in Mesopotamia. In addition to Mitanni, there was also Kizzuwatna, which was located in the Armenian Highlands. According to modern science, the Hurrians were related to the Urarts and belonged to a special Hurro-Urartian family of languages. The Armenians were formed in the process of the merger of some aboriginal peoples of the Bronze Age (Hurrians, Urarts), as well as Indo-Europeans who came from the Balkans (mainly Luwians), who changed their language to Proto-Armenian for various historical reasons (during the time of the Achaemenid Empire, flies, carriers of the Proto-Armenian, were in power in the Armenian Highlands). Modern genetic research also shows this. Trying to prove that someone is related to someone or not related to someone based on language is wrong, since the Hurrians have been known in the region since the 3rd millennium BC. I mean that the same Assyrians changed their language, they speak the Aramaic dialect, not Assyrian. And now about the Kurds. According to the official scientific version, the Kurds come from a small people of Cyrtians who inhabited the mountainous regions at the junction of Medes and Persia. Please don't mislead people, check the facts.
@TheObserversTV
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidbagratunyan8190 The Hurrians altogether disappeared during the Neo Assyrian empire which is a fact unless you are ignorant of history, and the Assyrians established Aramaic, which is why the Egyptian Demotic, Greeks, and Jews refer to the Aramaic language as "Assyrios" or "Kitab/Ktav Ashuri", which is why the Assyrians used Aramaic to expand, Assyria was a bilingual nation, the monarchy set Akkadian and Aramaic as official languages of the Assyrian court, as well the kings, generals, people of the heartland etc.. were all fluent in Aramaic and native Aramaic speakers, the period of Old Aramaic inscriptions were also found in the Assyrian heartland, this means that the Assyrians were writing in Aramaic centuries before the Medo-Persians were writing in Old Persian cuneiform.
@ezzovonachalm9815
11 ай бұрын
The responsables of the Artificial Intelligence Transcription of Videos should be very carefull in trancripting names of historic nations , with hilarious and even offending and slanderous results.Just one exemple of such a blunder as : King ŚUPPILULIUMA I is transcripted JEWPILUGLIOMA ! !!! malignantly insinuating that the glorious Jewish people is attained by the redoutable ail GLIOMA that renders it hypersensitive to any suspect language error ! The transcriptions of cultural, historical,political or scientifical nature should absolutely be controlled and revised by a specialist before being published !
@subhashisroy2244
10 ай бұрын
Assurs are designated as demons in hindu mythology. What is the difference between that assur and hindu mythological assurs.
amazing... you really brought it to life sir. Thanks
@stefano1005
7 ай бұрын
Hurrians was Armenian origin
@KurdishKing-v2e
6 ай бұрын
Lmao no
@stefano1005
6 ай бұрын
@@KurdishKing-v2e lmao too
@Nini-pz2yx
3 ай бұрын
Mit Ani Tacno ko i slika ,,Na sredini Ani znaci dve strane .Ali ni na jednom od vasig nego na drevnom Albanskom jeziku koji je najstariji zivi jezik u svetu posle ,,Tok arskom mrtvom jeziku ,,sto isto on znaci Zemlja Tok, Ar zlatan.Kao i Mes opo tamija sto isto znaci Sredina ,Summeri ,Sto ist znaci Shum heret ,,Jako davno,,
@f34rbeast32
27 күн бұрын
I wonder if the Mitanni language is closer to Vedic Sanskrit or Ancient Nuristani as Mitanni came before even Vedic Sanskrit, much like Ancient Nuristani, but through linguistic analysis Mitanni shares more in language and religion with the Vedic people. Interesting thought
@greaterbharat4175
4 күн бұрын
Mittanis language is post Vedic ,their is no rigvedic Sankrit word as dasaratha or tusharatta It found in post Vedic sankrit , mittanis originally called themselves marya-nuh Which found in rigveda ( marya ) associated with young male ( as young warriors) RigVeda glorified Marya ( but not as a tribe or clan ) Which shows the some young male recruited as team made and named themselves Marya "as tribe/ clan" when they gotten separated from rigvedic community Rigvedic Sankrit is oldest not mittanis language
@selouvam.
2 жыл бұрын
:هويت الكورد سلبت في ١٩١٦ سايكس بيكو لكن الكورد لم يسلب @نحن كورد فرض علينا هوية التركية الايرانية والسورية والعراقية هذه حقيقة لازم يتقبلة الجميع
@lintangaditya9541
4 жыл бұрын
It seems like i don't have interest with bronze age near east before watching your channel, keep this nice job dude
@HistorywithCy
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, comments like that make my day! It's my favorite period of history and glad that you're getting into it too! More to come, stay tuned!
@ME-zb3gq
4 жыл бұрын
Abraham bigger brother the place he got family wives for son and grandson people should look at this group more than any other
@UnitedDudesofAmerica
10 ай бұрын
Oooooo that symbolism isn't generally associated with good stuff
@ghanvedsingh8946
5 жыл бұрын
It's decendents in India are found in so many societies one among them is black Smith and another one is jats
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