Drachinifel How practical would it have been to lay down HMS Incomparable before converting the hull into a carrier after WNT regulations?
@ArenBerberian
5 жыл бұрын
Will you cover the current state of HMS Hermes from the Falklands war (longest-serving warship in the world)? She is now out of service with the Indian navy and possibly might even come back to the UK!
@jeromechan4076
5 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh your comment on the 5.25 inch gun's effectiveness increasing due to technological advances in radar tracking and targeting. Provoked a thought in my head, were the 5"/54 secondary guns for the Motanna class BB, was there any thought about utilising them to upgun the Iowa Class BB secondaries with them?
@bificommander7472
5 жыл бұрын
Why did so many ships, including those that had to squeeze in under treaty displacement limits, carry separate saluting guns? Was there a reason they couldn't put a blank powder charge in any of their useful guns and use those for saluting shots?
@matthewrobinson4323
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeromechan4076 The 5/38 dual purpose gun of the USN was so good, it would've been quite an accomplishment indeed to improve upon it. In all seriousness.
@scottmccrea1873
2 жыл бұрын
15,000 tons of armor, or basically, the _Vanguard's_ armor nearly equalled the _entire_ displacement of HMS _Dreadnought._ Wow.
@kommandantgalileo
9 ай бұрын
Didn't Dreadnought displace 18,000 tons?
@scottmccrea1873
9 ай бұрын
I did write "almost". lol @@kommandantgalileo
@kommandantgalileo
9 ай бұрын
@@scottmccrea1873should have said almost the same, not outweighed.
@saffronztiarabooster
5 ай бұрын
Yamatos armour weighs more than the ENTIRE (DEEP LOAD) DISPLACEMENT OF THE HMS DREADNOUGHT
@scottmccrea1873
5 ай бұрын
@@kommandantgalileo History geeks - among whose number I count myself: "You were off by 20%, bro, your analogy is TOTALLY WRONG!" I'll concede my sentence could have been more elegant.
@michaelplane5721
4 жыл бұрын
I served on the Vanguard in 1953 as an EM2 rating. She was a great ship.
@robertewing3114
3 жыл бұрын
Bill Greenwood and Co.
@Ukfairgrounds
2 жыл бұрын
Where you in the navy during ww2
@michaelplane25
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ukfairgrounds No, 1 didn't join up until 1952
@joedirt861
Жыл бұрын
How was she in heavy seas? I heard a story once that that during a NATO exercise she could work her guns in seaways that even made the Iowa's do nothing but pray.
@thecurlew7403
Сағат бұрын
Pity the RN hadnt vanguard at the start of the war and built a 5 class number of them they could retire the older dreadnaughts and modernized Hood rebuilding her as a battleship with capped funnels with the KG Class the germans would think twice before fighting the Vanguard class .
@murrayscott9546
3 жыл бұрын
Long may she sail ( perhaps.now. not so much ) but always, as ever,thanks for your work - bringing these ships and their stories back to life. Immortal Memory, Lest We Forget.
@rikk319
4 ай бұрын
It's unfortunate how little history is actually remembered. There are few WW2 vets remaining, but that belies that there are no WW1 vets, Franco-Prussian vets, Hundred Years War vets, etc. We have forgotten so very much.
@davidrobinson4553
5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't'matter how good Vanguard and any other RN ship was, for that matter, the damded Russians have managed to screw the lot over in World of Warships. Keep up the great work Drach 👍👍👍
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
4 жыл бұрын
That Stalinium. In a training room, I was using my USS Alabama and one guy using the Sinop somehow bounced my 16 inch AP shells at less than 8k when he exposed his ENTIRE broadside. It bounced ALL of my AP shells that connected... The fucked up thing about it is I heard Sinop has TWO full thickness armor belts each are 400mm!!! 16 inches EACH!
@merafirewing6591
4 жыл бұрын
Why not just ram him, he not immune to that?
@fyorbane
4 жыл бұрын
WOWs has no bering in the real world. It's an arcade shoot them up with little realism or accuracy.
@sr71blackbirddr
4 жыл бұрын
A tragic loss not to have saved a battleship for a museum piece 😢
@petersouthernboy6327
4 жыл бұрын
In hindsight a couple of Fleet Carriers in lieu of would have been useful
@bkjeong4302
4 жыл бұрын
Not just in hindsight, that was obvious before this monstrosity even hit water.
@GHOST5663
3 жыл бұрын
Loving your work.
@dimreaper274
5 жыл бұрын
Could you do the T class submarine HMS Thermopylae, my dad served on it in the 60's I think
@potatopants4691
5 жыл бұрын
I never knew how extensive Vangaurd's sensor suite was; combined with all the ergonomic improvements to the AA turrets, it sounds like she could have been a very effective ship. I wish they could have saved her.
@InternetEntity
4 жыл бұрын
Best looking ship of all time... *happy fanboy noises*
@josephstalvey6878
4 жыл бұрын
So after all that expense, the Vanguard was never able to get into battle. What a terrible waste.
@fyorbane
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Unfortunately she was a bit of a white elephant but a magnificent ship all the same.
@verticallogic5909
5 жыл бұрын
what a beauty......too cheap for historic preservation, such a shame indeed.........
@cliffordnelson8454
Жыл бұрын
That the British bothered to complete this tells you a lot of how smart the British are. Better to have completed it as an aircraft carrier, but seems like should have canceled it back in 1942 with Pearl Harbor.
@moiraides9466
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if i missed something but was design 15D a revised design of 15A, B, C or multiple?
@spyrosvassilakis4212
5 жыл бұрын
Ah the Vanguard next to Victory... We have the next best thing here in Athens. The armored cruiser Georgios Averof sitting next to a trireme!
@bkjeong4302
5 жыл бұрын
Spyros Vassilakis That actually sounds better....
@99IronDuke
5 жыл бұрын
@@bkjeong4302 I never see you post anything that is not anti British in some way or other.
@bkjeong4302
5 жыл бұрын
99IronDuke Not being anti-British, just criticizing the decision to launch an obviously outdated warship.
@mattblom3990
5 жыл бұрын
Spyros...Is it a full size, seaworthy, trireme?
@spyrosvassilakis4212
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattblom3990 Full size seaworthy trireme. It's a reproduction of course . I think it's a commissioned warship of the Hellenic Navy. It sails 3-4 times a year and volunteers can join as rowers. They also take 5-10 visitors on each trip but one has to book early.
@michaelplane5721
5 жыл бұрын
It was nice to to see one of my old ships again. I served on her in 1953 as a electricians mate 1st class. It was a 1st class ship, complete with all facilities.
@davidmichaels8934
4 жыл бұрын
Hello yes my Dad and I took a boat from Weymouth to Portland Harbour in August 1954,for the annual Navy Days that were very popular with the British public,and we boarded the Vanguard port side,along with hundreds of other people,this was a fascinating experience for a 10 year old boy!My was in the Royal Artillery during WW2 and we were lucky enough to be shown inside A forward turret,I was surprised how big it was inside,and the gunners explained how the shell's and charges came into the gun turret,the gun layer,sat on a very small seat right behind the barrel of each 15 inch gun,and it was explained when the guns fired,the recoil bought the breech to within a few inches of the gunlayers chest! This great ship,as you know was never in action,but what a waste when the Conservative government decided to first put on reserve,then destroy the ship by scrapping! Not much has changed over the years,the Thatcher government in 1981,was going to strip the Royal Navy to the bone,but a year later,along comes the Falklands War,which delayed that irresponsible decision!
@davidelliott5843
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidmichaels8934 It’s probably a good job that Vanguard was not sent to the Falklands. Her zero protection against Exocets would have not been a good look never mind the deaths that would result.
@woolldogg2329
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@trisjack82
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidelliott5843 Exocets cannot pierce 14inch plate, or the 5” deck vanguard wouldn’t have been able to be sunk by such missiles
@elektrolyte
3 жыл бұрын
@@trisjack82 Exocets would not hit the deck nor the 14" side armour. They would most likely hit the superstructure
@DimoB8
5 жыл бұрын
The British were the first and the last to build an all-big-gun battleship, poetic.
@VersusARCH
5 жыл бұрын
Secondary guns: ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU?
@charliekk3377
5 жыл бұрын
@@VersusARCH they were a joke when mounted in classmates ;)
@flexelsson1625
5 жыл бұрын
@@charliekk3377 i think ya mean casemates, id hate to be a classmate with a 5inch gun up my ass and on a warship XD
@dovetonsturdee7033
5 жыл бұрын
Jean Bart? Completed in 1955.
@Digmen1
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's a very incitement statement. Dreadnought and Vanguard
@garyg8351
5 жыл бұрын
After watching the first 5 minute guide to Vanguard I sat there going “I want more” as always, never expected the delivery to be so quick Drach
@bulletproofguy5112
3 жыл бұрын
I’m crying, I’m so ashamed we have no ships like Hms Rodney to go visit, and keep for the nation
@scootergeorge7089
2 жыл бұрын
Do you not have Lord Nelson's ship? That alone is a victory.
@high-velocitymammal5030
2 жыл бұрын
>Warspite
@nova2293
2 жыл бұрын
its a shame, you'd think they would have at least kept either Rodney or King George V, but someone higher up with no respect for their significance just had to have that scrap metal.
@nova2293
2 жыл бұрын
@@high-velocitymammal5030 -was broken up for scrap
@davidbrown9093
Жыл бұрын
That's because our politicians actual hate the UK' they do not save any of our history.
@aarontwintowers
5 жыл бұрын
A quaint little piece of trivia for you Drach, HMS Vanguard ran aground next to The Still and West pub in Portsmouth. Make what you will of that but, hey perhaps she just wanted one last pint before she went.;)
@rjk69
5 жыл бұрын
Yes and it's not particularly close to Southsea Castle as suggested in this video. The castle must be 1km away at least.
@largol33t1
3 жыл бұрын
Hearing all those little incidents makes me feel sad, including that tidbit about the anchor. It's as if she knew she was headed to her deathbed and didn't want to cooperate...
@Glavenuss
3 жыл бұрын
@@largol33t1 Warspite straight up beached herself on the way to the scrapyard, which is just as sad
@JimBob-vb8oz
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glavenuss Warspite and Vanguard didn’t want to go
@jayski87
5 жыл бұрын
Such a shame she couldn’t be saved. Would have been epic to see her next to Victory. With such an impressive naval history, I think it’s pretty shitty of us that we didn’t preserve more of it 🙁
@tomirk4404
2 жыл бұрын
I think people often forget it’s what made us
@Lupus_Indomitus
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Am from germany, and, well, would definetly have made a trip there if it was still existent
@lars7935
Жыл бұрын
@@tomirk4404 people often forget that serving it's citizens should be the highest priority of the state. Not expending enormous amounts of money to preserve a sentimental piece in times of greater need.
@Neithan02
Жыл бұрын
@@tomirk4404 you mean aside from centurues of genocide all around the globe?
@lucasfragoso7634
Жыл бұрын
@@lars7935honestly saving Vanguard would probably be serving the citizens more then the UK government ever does let's be fucking real
@cliveholland7846
5 жыл бұрын
I saw her off the Tail of the Bank (?) at the mouth of the Clyde in, I suppose, 1946/7. I would be 12/13. All I wanted to be was to be the Captain of a Battleship. We were living in Scotland (military father) and he had heard that the Cunard Queen Elizabeth and the Vanguard were anchored there. I remember it so well. In due course I became an RN Officer and, surprisingly because I am as thick as two short planks, I somehow found myself on the "fast track". In those days, unlike the army, one never saw one's confidential reports, other than a very truncated "flimsy". One knew where one was going because of one's appointments. If appointed to run the Barrack's laundry, it was fairly clear that one wasn't destined to be 1SL. I was First lieutenant of HMS Lynx in 1971. All future Post List Commanders had to do a Jimmy's job. Southern Rhodesia had declare UDI and we, the Brits, imposed sanctions, which meant patrolling off Beira to prevent oil imports to Rhodesia. Lynx was, or should be on her way home through the Suez Canal, but we were diverted to the patrol. On the way we were caught up on the tail of a cyclone. Lynx was small, about 2200 tons, and she bounced! I was thrown, and smashed my patella. I was theoretically the medical officer. I had no idea what a patella was, I knew I couldn't stand up. To cut a long boring story short, eventually I was invalided, and became a lawyer. I hate lawyers. Thank you Drachinifel for a fascinating vlog.
@comunistubula4424
5 жыл бұрын
" I was theoretically the medical officer. I had no idea what a patella was" WTF?????!!!
@Elthenar
4 жыл бұрын
One, you're old. Two, thanks for serving. Three. there probably aren't a lot of people around who saw this ship with their own eyes. It had such a short shelf life.
@ross.venner
4 жыл бұрын
@@Elthenar - I was one of those privileged to see HMS Vanguard. Sadly, this was because she was lying in reserve in Portsmouth Harbour. The father of one of my friends was her pilot on her voyage to the scrapyard and ordered her stern anchor when she went out of control and tried to ram the Still and West (public house). There were a lot of moist eyes that day, and not of all of them were young.
@buckfaststradler4629
4 жыл бұрын
@@ross.venner I saw Vanguard being scrapped at Faslane - my father worked on the ship when she was being built in Clydebank.
@michaelanderson3294
4 жыл бұрын
@@ross.venner i was one who saw her. I actually walked along the fourteen inch armour plating, i was a seaman boy on HMNZS BELLONA and we were tied up alongside Vanguard in Plymouth, this was in 1955. I remember that one of the seaman boys jobs was to get the milk cans off the jetty, and boy the quarter deck of the Vanguard seemed huge and being winter was icy, we used to slide the cans across. We used to go aboard Vanguard to watch tv in the evenings and some of the blokes showed us around. It was quite an experience to look around a fifteen inch turret and we laughed because our main armament was the secondary or AA armament on Vanguard.
@baldwinloco12
Жыл бұрын
I am American but I think that Vanguard and Hood are the most beautiful battleships ever made. Vanguard is my favorite battleship, I've always wanted a model of her in 1/350 but no one makes one so I had to settle for a 1/450 model.
@isabellalofton263
Жыл бұрын
I too am American, and an avid naval history fan. There's absolutely nothing wrong with one's favorite historic warships being from other countries. It has no affect on my devotion to the U.S. that Vanguard is one of my favorites, or Yamato or Derfflinger. Those ships were all advanced and deadly for their time, and no one in their right mind would be or was happy to be on the receiving end of their guns. I appreciate warships not simply for their country of origin, but as machines of both beauty and power. America has certainly produced a number of excellent warships, like the Iowa class, but older Ameeican vessels usually aren't my faves because although they were capable, they lacked the aesthetic beauty that the ships of other nations often achieved, while also being capable combatants. And let's be real - being so prideful as to say something is better just because it's American, is a great way to underestimate an enemy and get our butts kicked. Weapons of war run on scientific reality, not distilled freedom juice and eagle calls. All that said, if we're talking current warships, gotta pick Arleigh Burke class destroyers as my fave, no hesitation.
@kapitanleutnantschneider2076
Жыл бұрын
HMS Vanguard was also used in the 1960 film "Sink the Bismarck" she played the role of many ships in that movie.
@paullewis2413
3 жыл бұрын
At 51,000 tons she was at the time, the largest and most powerful warship ever built for the R.N. A similar situation that exists now with the new HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier. Should have been kept of course but that´s history now.
@dr.ryttmastarecctm6595
5 жыл бұрын
“long-range, anti-aircraft, sniper system.” One of the driest statements I have heard this century.
@timclaus8313
3 жыл бұрын
Right up there with the one on Alaska "in keeping with the desire for the crew to exercise their second amendment rights"
@DokturProfesur
5 жыл бұрын
Ironic that a ship called the Vanguard was the last of her kind.
@benwilson6145
4 жыл бұрын
bit like the Vickers Aircraft Company
@SgtSteel1
4 жыл бұрын
+Ben Wilson I don't get that :\
@cutelasscutlass876
4 жыл бұрын
Sgt Steel The word Vanguard effectively means someone who starts a movement, or one of the first people to start something.
@SgtSteel1
4 жыл бұрын
+What? I need a name? Yes, I know. I was talking to Ben Wilson. I don't understand his comment about Vickers.
@benwilson6145
4 жыл бұрын
@@SgtSteel1 The last aircraft they made was the Vickers Vanguard
@IMarcaI
5 жыл бұрын
Like the picture at 24:39, just for the fact that someone has written "Me" and drawn and arrow pointing to one of the sailors.
@vaikkajoku
5 жыл бұрын
that was my favorite too! some old codger must have been very proud of that photo. :)
@grondhero
5 жыл бұрын
Sole reason I came to the comments was to see if anyone else had posted about that. Was going to tell Drachinifel that we know it wasn't him! XD
@davidvasquez08
4 жыл бұрын
I barely noticed that
@teed58
4 жыл бұрын
One of my earliest memories was being aboard HMS Vanguard at a Navy Day. I was maybe 6 or 7 years old. I can remember standing in the shade of what was to me, a massive turret and looking straight up the sheer face of that super-structure. I honestly can recall being absolutely awestruck. Thank you so much for rekindling a fantastic memory for me. apologies if technical terms are incorrect.
@klobiforpresident2254
5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy theses 5² minute guides. Just don't overwork yourself for our sake, Drach. I couldn't sustain your level of content output ^^
@neilwilson5785
5 жыл бұрын
Is it me, or was this ship entirely made of revised and updated parts, leaving almost no original components behind. Like that American Hotrod TV show.
@klobiforpresident2254
5 жыл бұрын
@@neilwilson5785 I have no idea what you're on about.
@sarjim4381
5 жыл бұрын
I was 11 in 1957 ang got a subscription to _Popular Science_ for Christmas so I was able to follow along with Vanguard's progress from refit to reserve to scrapping. I thought the scrapping proposal would surely be shelved by the Prime Minister. Little did I know at the time about the fatal combination of Eden and MacMillan for the RN. I thought Vanguard was the best looking, even while being utilitarian, battleship of the era.
@WALTERBROADDUS
5 жыл бұрын
Damn, dad would be as old as you today.
@sarjim4381
5 жыл бұрын
@@WALTERBROADDUS This is what happens if you live long enough. You become your father's age. It's actually pretty weird. My dad was 80 when he passed away so I still have a couple years to go.
@emintey
5 жыл бұрын
The ship was obsolete, sentimentality doesn't change that.
@sarjim4381
5 жыл бұрын
@@emintey Preserving a ship for museum use has everything to do with history and nothing to do with how obsolete a ship might be. Given your way of thinking, the USS Constitution and HMS Victory should have been broken up for firewood because they were "obsolete".
@emintey
5 жыл бұрын
@@sarjim4381 Unfortunately you didn't mention preserving it as a museum, thank you for clarifying what your intent was.
@davidbaker352
5 жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much for this video... my Dad served on HMS Vanguard, he was a Chief Petty officer electrician! He was immensely proud to have served on Britain’s last Battle ship and used to recount tales of her massive fire power that used to shift her sideways when those big guns were fired! Your video brought back a lot of memories of my Dad, Bill Baker.... rip Dad.
@Nightdare
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, not even Iowa Class' 3x3 16' could move those ships sideways and Vanguard and Iowa were comparable in weight (Iowa even heavier in full load) It's basic physics, long before you reach the power to move something as massive as a battleship *sideways* through the water you blow the turrets out of the turret rings Getting the ship to roll? Yeah, but actually shifting sideways? Nope!
@ScienceChap
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nightdare you are spot on. Large artillery pieces are fitted with buffers and recouperators. The buffers slow and damp the recoil of the guns as they are fired. The recouperators return the guns to their starting position once the guns recoil has been stopped. The force required to move 45000 tonnes of ship sideways against the water resistance would tear it to pieces.
@barryslemmings31
5 жыл бұрын
HMS Vanguard also appears in various guises in the movie Sink The Bismarck with turret exteriors of her twin 15-inch standing-in for HMS Hood while her turret interiors were used for HMS Prince of Wales... "right gun jamming on charge... right gun jamming on charge..." and then again later when Bismarck was being sunk. With a uniform change she also doubled for the Bismarck's turret interior as well. B
@richardfuller5977
5 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@barryslemmings31
5 жыл бұрын
All true!
@luisparga5707
4 жыл бұрын
Barry Slemmings
@andrewfanner2245
5 жыл бұрын
Poor girl just wanted a last pint in the Still and West before she left Pompey and that seems very reasonable to me. The used to have a picture of Vanguard as seen form the pub when she broke loose, and its very much "##ck me that was close"!
@brianwithers162
3 жыл бұрын
Having served a full 18 month commission on a Colony class cruiser (HMS Kenya) I spent a bit of time on Reserve fleet at Portsmouth. HMS Vanguard was our accommodation ship. When I arrived on board, I was gobsmacked by the size and thickness of the hatches leading through the main deck. They were massive, so big and thick compared with the Kenya but Vanguard, hatches must have weighed a couple of tons. It was awesome living on board, everything was totally oversize. What a beautiful ship.
@RocketGurney
5 жыл бұрын
I know you said you'd have an extended version soon, but this really takes the biscuit!
@klobiforpresident2254
5 жыл бұрын
And the cake, and yet another thing, if you want it to be a Drachism ;-)
@murderouskitten2577
5 жыл бұрын
and a cakea and the beer and the candy :)
@truckerallikatuk
5 жыл бұрын
It's a Nelson era ship's biscuit, those take some chewing...
@neilwilson5785
5 жыл бұрын
Bourbon or Custard Cream, I leave it to you.
@scootergeorge7089
2 жыл бұрын
@@neilwilson5785 - and a ration of rum!
@ChevelleSS-yr3gb
3 жыл бұрын
Battleships are the most beautiful awesome things ever built.
@23draft7
3 жыл бұрын
I not 100% sure?? A 69 Chevelle SS with that 396 is pretty special in its own right.
@ottomeineke9230
2 жыл бұрын
She wasn't old enough to be as cranky as warspite. But she tried.
@treyhelms1917
Жыл бұрын
It's been said many times: Warspite and CV-6 Enterprise being scrapped was almost a war crime.
@Gynra
3 жыл бұрын
It's such a shame that we (Britain) didn't preserve a battleship. HMS Belfast is a fine ship, but she is a cruiser. The Vanguard was magnificent, and would have been a fitting symbol of naval power, being the last battleship. However, if we could keep only one, my vote would have been to preserve Warspite, which served in both world wars with great distinction. Ah well, at least there are impressive models of these ships in the Science Museum at Kensington.
@Kwolfx
5 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that HMS Vanguard was a very good looking ship, one of the best actually. I could quibble about the rather blocky superstructure, but I suppose it was evolved from the Warspite superstructure, and perhaps it predicts the examples of Brutalist architecture that can be seen in London today; particularly the Trellic Tower (of Terror) and the Barbican estate.
@lukedogwalker
4 жыл бұрын
Designers: how many radar sets do you want? Royal Navy: All the radars All of them!
@atpyro7920
3 жыл бұрын
Radar was to the Royal Navy like AA guns were to the US Navy.
@23draft7
3 жыл бұрын
Your name gave us a chuckle 🤣🤣. (was much needed, thanks).
@ErikHare
5 жыл бұрын
For a ship made with a lot of off-the-shelf parts she sure is beautiful
@fyorbane
4 жыл бұрын
Only the main guns were used parts.
@marvwatkins7029
2 жыл бұрын
A complete waste of money. Its keel should've been laid down much earlier. Too bad it wasn't saved as a museum ship.
@richardthomas6890
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that five minute guide. Though history can’t be changed I have to agree that Vanguard would have looked fantastic along side Victory as a museum ship. Such a shame
@davidandmartinealbon3155
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, any of our WW2 battleships would have looked great in Portsmouth, though in my opinion the one that really deserved to be conserved was Warspite, that ship went through almost everything the axis could throw at her
@timclaus8313
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidandmartinealbon3155 And the Imperial German Navy, 2 world war heavy weight champion....
@timclaus8313
3 жыл бұрын
I would go with Warspite or the KG V. Possibly one of the older carriers that survived the war. For the US, we missed out on Enterprise, which earned more combat stars than any USN ship in WWII.
@VersusARCH
5 жыл бұрын
Off-the-shelf spare parts battleship 😅
@klobiforpresident2254
5 жыл бұрын
Didn't they do that for one of them from the Spanish American war? However civilian grade artillery is an off-the-shelf component puzzles me.
@richardorta8960
5 жыл бұрын
Now we just need a ship made by Snap-On and one made from aftermarket parts.
@Irobert1115HD
5 жыл бұрын
the perfect ship to fight the junkers ju 287. both are massive partys of spare parts (and in case of the ju287 even some parts of shot down allied bombers).
@chopchop7938
5 жыл бұрын
Ahahaha...
@kurtkuczynski
5 жыл бұрын
That's a myth. Sure they used turrets and guns destined for older ships, however, by the time they were reworked and redesigned, they were just as modern and effective as any other modern battleship.
@samoldfield5220
5 жыл бұрын
Just went back to watch HMS Tiger to compare. MASSIVE improvement in video quality in just two months. You've nearly eliminated umms ahhs and ands, you're getting your points across better and organizing your points by category rather than by date. Keep up the good work, I'm subscribing.
@m37kuk
5 жыл бұрын
Some armour from the Vanguard was used in the River Don Works apprentice shop as the floor, I was an apprentice in the early 70s don't think I ever damaged it.
@Alex-cw3rz
5 жыл бұрын
My god there are an amazing amount of radars sets on Vanguard compared to other battleships
@andreww2098
5 жыл бұрын
lessons were learnt
@chopchop7938
4 жыл бұрын
Hurray, just in time for...nothing.
@RiflemanMoore
5 жыл бұрын
Great work as usual Drach! For anyone interested there's a really excellent period colour film on KZitem, an episode of 'Look at Life' which covers her trip to the breakers, including her grounding in Portsmouth harbour.
@TheBespectacledN00b
5 жыл бұрын
Aye, good watch that.
@williamkennedy5492
4 жыл бұрын
As an 11 year old, i had a Newspaper photo of Vanguard on my wall, it showed her being moved to the breakers yard, even then i never really understood why our governments would throw away our history and heritage, But it did, it is tragic that out of touch politicians had no idea how the population felt at the time, AND of course HMS Warspite went to her grave at the hands of the same politicians. A wrecked history i think ( no pun intended ) Our history destroyed by political motives, future generations will never understand what we once achieved as a maritime nation. dare i say Britannia did once rule the waves !
@baronvonjo1929
3 жыл бұрын
I understand Warspite being scrapped even though it sucks. They were bankrupted. Preserving a ship is expensive. I dont really get why they had to scrap this one as I would assume they were much more financially stable.
@charliekenwright6324
3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ man,the politicians are doing their best to destroy our heritage especially Labour Party it’s surprising they haven’t sent the local police around to your house to re-educate you,they say it’s racist to be proud of our maritime domination of the world,how stupid they are
@AndrewMarkRedfern-j3g
Жыл бұрын
In response to your comments I totally agree with you 👍 our politicians are out of order,they are not interested in hearing what the public have to say or any interest in the preservation of famous British warships be they Battleships or Cruisers or Aircraft Carriers , the then prime minister could and should have saved HMS WARSPITE and HMS VANGUARD from their terrible fate and preserved them for a grateful nation and future generations
@bradymenting5120
4 жыл бұрын
if i ever become absurdly rich I want to order a functional replica of the HMS Hood and have it sail to different ports as a mobile museum ship.
@penkagenova7073
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe HMS Warspite could have also done good
@Will-qg6dy
2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was in command on her final voyage, he was regarded as a towing expert at the time. Oops. The overhead photo is blown up at the back of the Still and West pub, which at least used to do excellent fish and chips. The hull alone towered over the four storey pub. It’s a great shame that so few of these beautiful ships were preserved.
@nnoddy8161
5 жыл бұрын
One of the most beautiful battleships built....also, one of the best!!!
@nnoddy8161
4 жыл бұрын
@Richard McCaig Not so clear cut by any measure. Very dependant on conditions. Vanguard better sea handling than Iowas. Fire control of both on par. Armour better on Vanguard. 16' 50 cal superior to 15' 42 even with superchargers. It is closer than you might want to consider. First punch would be telling.
@Alex-cw3rz
3 жыл бұрын
@Richard McCaig the radar and fire control present actually heavy tips it in Vanguards favour, the bursting charge of the 15 inch shell was much larger than the 16 inch shell on the Iowa and in heavy seas the Iowa would not be able to fire it's forward turret, due to the way the bow is. Also the training in the Royal Navy was far superior to American ships. But it would be a close run thing, and Iowa has a speed advantage.
@Alex-cw3rz
3 жыл бұрын
@Richard McCaig the radar and fire control present actually heavy tips it in Vanguards favour, not to mention it's better armour on Vanguard, the fact the 15 inch gun had a much larger bursting charge than the Iowa's 16 inch guns and in heavy seas the Iowa would not be able to fire it's forward turret, due to the way the bow is. Also the training in the Royal Navy was far superior to American sailors. But it would be a close run thing.
@aebirkbeck2693
5 жыл бұрын
kind of ironic built in John Browns on the Clyde and broken up at Faslane a few miles down river in the Gareloch a sad end to a lovely looking ship :>(
@Edax_Royeaux
5 жыл бұрын
Not being British, I don't understand the irony.
@grondhero
5 жыл бұрын
What is the irony in that?
@aebirkbeck2693
5 жыл бұрын
you define irony then
@Edax_Royeaux
5 жыл бұрын
@@aebirkbeck2693noun: a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.
@grahamlowe7388
3 жыл бұрын
A mighty battleship in the days when aircraft carriers were the new kings of the sea. Would be a great battle if Vanguard took on the Tirpitz one to one.
@5000mahmud
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else love the modest look of the 15-inch Mk I guns?
@chopchop7938
4 жыл бұрын
No, they are old and poorly designed like Hood with the powder room in a more vulnerable position. I get it using whatever is available, especially in war time but it is what it is...An off the shelf spare parts ship that took years to finish and when finally finished the war was over and it was not needed.
@5000mahmud
4 жыл бұрын
@@chopchop7938 I know. Still looks good though.
@alanwilson4860
4 жыл бұрын
The guns should be ridiculous in size .
@Alex-cw3rz
3 жыл бұрын
@@chopchop7938 firstly they are definitely not poorly designed, the "powder room" is in the same place in all battleships because it has to be there due to the way you load a gun, the Hoods wasn't in the wrong place it just didn't have sufficient deck armour and if you say Vanguard didn't have sufficient deck armour, no battleship ever did, because only Yamato had thicker deck armour.
@Hollywood113807
2 жыл бұрын
While Vanguard may not be the biggest or the most powerful Battleship ever built she is absolutely the most beautiful by a wide margin.
@JohnnyWishbone85
3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I would have chosen Rodney instead of Vanguard for a museum ship. She was much more distinctive-looking, and she had a very distinguished career. Vanguard was mostly a harbor queen, and very non-descript.
@bkjeong4302
3 жыл бұрын
Duke of York gets my vote.
@battleshipfan3435
3 жыл бұрын
Hood, if never sunk, would be there instead of the HMS Belfast
@lukeallison3713
2 жыл бұрын
1 Warpsite 2 Hood (if she survived) 3 Vanguard 4 Nelson 5 KGV
@kellybreen5526
5 жыл бұрын
Vanguard, KGV and Warspite all deserved better fates than what they received. In my neck of the woods they want to sink the first post war steamer built in Canada, SS Norisle, complete with its re-purposed Corvette engine. Shame.
@kurtkuczynski
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think Warspite and KVG earned the right to be preserved before Vanguard as they are participated in some very famous battles. Warspite being a two time World War participant and landing the longest hit on another warship is quite a resume. The KGV having participated in the sinking of Bismarck is historical as well. Vangaurd, other than being the last of her kind, really didn't do anything. Still, she would have made a great museum ship.
@boas7742
Жыл бұрын
I wonder what would have happened if vanguard had stayed around for the Falkland war Imagine the Belgrano encounters vanguard and gets utterly obliterated by a 15 inch broadside
@scotiadrake4245
5 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather's ship.
@giauscaesar8047
5 жыл бұрын
Vanguard was an excellent sea boat & a very steady gun platform this was brought home in operation Mainbrace where the Iowa"s were constantly shipping green.
@fyorbane
4 жыл бұрын
Her sea keeping abilities were superior to any US battleship in rough seas much to the red faces of US naval personnel. A friend of my father served on her and he loved the ship to bits and was gutted when they scrapped her.
@giauscaesar8047
4 жыл бұрын
@@fyorbane She was a beautiful ship.
@lancerevell5979
Жыл бұрын
Hehe.... Try sailing through very heavy seas in a 430 ft. Frigate. We were tossed all over, many shipmates getting seasick. Mess decks was.... a mess. Food scattered so bad, guys were sliding around, looked like a scene from a Three Stooges movie.
@Vespuchian
5 жыл бұрын
I feel bad watching this because as much as I like and appreciate the Vanguard I keep thinking ‘could have been Lion’.
@keithcarter9396
5 жыл бұрын
I lived in Gosport (near portsmouth Harbour) as a kid, we all cheered when she ran aground, much love for this ship.
@jawadad802
3 жыл бұрын
Vanguard was as beautifull a ship as the Nelson was ugly ...
@fritzfromthewehrmacht5485
5 жыл бұрын
Hms vanguard my favorite battleship I was hoping for this episode thank u and have an amazing day.
@johnjephcote7636
4 жыл бұрын
I remember detraining with my father at Portsmouth Harbour and seeing her parallel to us, on her own. Maybe late fifties. She was huge and lovely-never forgotten the sight.
@23draft7
3 жыл бұрын
Hope you had your camera 📸 with you? Nice 👍, very nice. (50's though, guessing, no).'
@johnshepherd8687
5 жыл бұрын
Back when I first became interested in Naval warfare I saw a comment that said the ship should have been called HMS Rearguard since she was commissioned after the age of Battleships had already ended.
@OutlawedOutlander
4 жыл бұрын
Here’s an stupid idea: go fund/crowdfund to have a full-size warspite built.
@thehandoftheking3314
3 жыл бұрын
Christ. Could you imagine the cost? Even if the guns, turrets etc. Were simply mock ups.
@maxkennedy8075
5 жыл бұрын
She is Gorgeous, us Brits know how to make a pretty ship (even if the Nelsol got bullied)
@Kris-qy7hh
5 жыл бұрын
I don’t care what people say but, Nelson and Rodney were 2 sexy ships!
@jannandjohn
4 жыл бұрын
Anything but gorgeous in my opinion. Vanguard looked stodgy and old fashioned compared to the Majestic and symmetrical lines of other battleships. EG Bismarck, Iowa
@tonytye8963
4 жыл бұрын
@@jannandjohn yeah, that Bismark looked really sexy while it was pummelled to scrap iron on its first mission, by the ugly Rodney.
@BattleshipWarspite
4 жыл бұрын
@@tonytye8963 by finest Rodney that terror the bismarck put end to her life.
@billbogg3857
4 жыл бұрын
You can see that they decided to add extra flare and height to the bows. The sheer is uneven .
@TheLiamis
4 жыл бұрын
Was my first t7 in wows legends. Sadly WG screwed it up big time. Slow, no radar, underpowered guns and under performing armour. "Just slap big heal on it no one will notice".
@AnvilAirsoftTV
3 жыл бұрын
My first T7 too.
@375GTB
3 жыл бұрын
Should have become a carrier.... For the pacific war.... Cold War... J.C.
@LeftToWrite006
4 жыл бұрын
At 2:49 the ship drawing is labeled mostly in Russian, it seems. I'm curious as to why?
@genekelly8467
3 жыл бұрын
A monument to stupidity-battleships were obsolete by 1921. Of course, the contract to build this ship was worth thousands of jobs and kept a shipyard busy. Right now, the USA maintains a huge military, based on the "need" to be able to fight a WWII-style war (which will never happen). that is why we still make obsolete heavy tanks and blow $400 million (each) for F-35 fighters. One good thing about the huge expense of modern weapons platforms: the enormous costs will guarantee that the weapons will never be used, as they are too expensive to lose.
@piritskenyer
5 жыл бұрын
HMS Vanguard is an automatic upvote.
@sigbauer9782
2 жыл бұрын
All that work. All that equipment. Never fired a shot.
@younow1511
6 ай бұрын
*never fired a shot in anger you mean
@fyorbane
4 жыл бұрын
A handsome and magnificent ship, what a shame [shame on the UK goverment of the time] she was not preserved as a museum.
@TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN
5 жыл бұрын
In terms of looks I've never really been a big fan of Vanguards appearance. But 7:17 I've got to say that has got to be one of the most beautiful photos of a battleship I've ever seen!
@murderouskitten2577
5 жыл бұрын
with no offence to RN , but Brits always made their BB's ugly :(
@TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN
5 жыл бұрын
@Brett Mitchell Eh, shes a good ship. But my personal favorite is still Richelieu class. About the same size, but slightly faster, and she look like a floating fortress with her full load out of 24, 4"(100mm) guns 9, 6" (150mm) guns (all aft) and 8, 15" (380mm) guns all forward. Also no Vanguard in Kancolle or Azur Lane, feels bad man.
@bkjeong4302
5 жыл бұрын
Sexual Tyrannosaurus At the risk of being mistaken as a weeb: It would definitely be nice for KC to finally add an end-gen British battleship, given that they have at least one end-gen battleship for the other navies that had them. On the other hand, I’m not a fan of end-gen battleships (at least in terms of combat performance) due to them being obsolete upon launch, and I honestly don’t like the characterization of the ones we do have in the game.
@sarjim4381
5 жыл бұрын
@@TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN Good heavens. Judging a real battleship by if it appears in any Japanese anime/busty school girl games. I've never understood the kawaii thing among Westerners.
@TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN
5 жыл бұрын
@@sarjim4381 I mostly meant that ironically. Besides I wasn't "judging it whether it appears in a Japanese/Chinese(Azur Lane) game/anime)" It was mostly meant as a jab towards the ship since, Bismarck, Iowa, Yamato, Littorio, Kongou, and Richelieu, all appear in either one or both, where as Vanguard doesn't appear in either. Besides given the fact I have a Kancolle doujin profile pic, is it any surprise, Im degenerate weeb trash? XD
@TheTrevor339
5 жыл бұрын
Do you have any pictures or videos of the HMS Vanguard in cold war maneuvers with any of the Iowa class battleships?
@kurtkuczynski
5 жыл бұрын
If you find any, you let me know. I've wondered if they exist as well.
@condellpinochet4766
4 жыл бұрын
they didn´t work with the iowas
@fyorbane
4 жыл бұрын
@@condellpinochet4766 In nato excersises they did in the 50's.
@jp-um2fr
2 жыл бұрын
I know HMS Belfast is a superb ship but those 6" guns look dreadful. I did notice the lathes, milling machines, etc. in the repair shop were covered in rust and I do mean COVERED. All it takes issome old fart like me, a can of oil and maybe a couple of hours a MONTH. My old W.O. apprentice master (the longest serving WO1 in the British Army and as thick as a brick) would have gone bananas.
@arctictiger8690
5 жыл бұрын
petition for Drach to pin the Drachisms of the Day
@petersone6172
4 жыл бұрын
If the RN had kept her like the USN kept their battleships she could have had a last hurrah 1982, I think Argentine bombs and missiles would have bounced off like cricket balls, and with that much fire support many of the paras who died at Goose Green would have come back alive.
@martinbradshaw7877
5 жыл бұрын
I visited Vanguard with my parents when she was at Portland. So sad that she was broken up, although she was of no particular significance since she never actually served as a warship. A bigger scandal was the break up of HMS Iron Duke. I also recall that my mother was prevented from falling over the side by an alert rating.
@Boric78
5 жыл бұрын
Which is the best battleship is such a pointless conversation..............but Vanguard is the Prettiest. Absolute knock out!
@ross.venner
4 жыл бұрын
26:25 - No, she didn't go ashore anywhere near Southsea Castle, it was the Still and West at the Northeast corner of the harbour narrows. The castle is better than a mile away where the channel turns south away from the shore.
@urushira
5 жыл бұрын
Well that was a rather sad story to wake up with. Poor thing never stood a chance with all those frijjin redesigns and modifications. I feel a bit sorry for her.
@mgrzx3367
4 жыл бұрын
The greatest Naval power on earth, was still building Battleships, when they should have been building Aircraft Carriers. They honestly were left in the dust by the United States and the Japanese. No offense but seriously, Britain was run by people from the 19th century. Why didn't they understand Air power?
@davidmichaels8934
4 жыл бұрын
You must remember that Britain was fighting for its very life from 1939 to 1945,and capital ships were still thought of as the ultimate weapon! With regard to aircraft carriers,yes the US realised the Pacific theatre was more conductive for ariel warfare,probably due to far better weather than the Atlantic theatre.
@bkjeong4302
4 жыл бұрын
The Americans and Japanese failed to understand this either: they also wasted money on battleships. The Germans, French and Italians were even worse. Literally everyone was being an idiot.
@bkjeong4302
4 жыл бұрын
David Burgess The fact they still clung to the mistaken belief battleships were useful when they had plenty of evidence to show this was no longer the case only makes them dumber. And the fact they made this mistake when they really couldn’t afford to....
@davidmichaels8934
4 жыл бұрын
Well hindsight is a wonderful thing, you must remember that Britain was in desperate need of every material thing! Where the United States did not have that problem, the main armament on HMS Vanguard were apparently taken from an old battleship, so that gives you some insight to see how difficult times were, the Admiralty were probably run by First World War strategies, when the big gun battleships were king! So when Vanguard was designed and the keel laid, the strategy was to destroy other big gun vessels, which of course Germany were building! So your statement that the decision to keep building battleships was dumb, is flawed, the war theatre that Vanguard was designed for was the North Atlantic and to a lesser extent the North Sea, this is where, quite correctly the Admiralty predicted any major fleet engagement would take place, so I hope that answers your question.
@bkjeong4302
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidmichaels8934 Battleships were intended to kill enemy battleships, yes, but by the late 1930s they were no longer the best vessels for that (or any other) role-carriers were better battleship killers than battleships, due to greater range, something that apolitically,ies REGARDLESS OF THEATRE OF OPERATIONS. So yes, Vanguard (and battleships in WWII in general) really was a bad idea.
@NickPenlee
5 жыл бұрын
Vanguard v Bismarck. I'd have liked to see that!
@warpmine1761
4 жыл бұрын
Bismarck wouldn't have stood a chance.
@niclasjohansson4333
4 жыл бұрын
@@warpmine1761 Most likely the other way around.
@warpmine1761
4 жыл бұрын
@@niclasjohansson4333 ten years of difference between the two in terms of technology of fire control and radar. No, Bismarck as great a ship as she was was old tech and would have been toast after a few rounds of higher velocity with deeper penetration and the the Vanguard would have had the advantage of night engagement.
@niclasjohansson4333
4 жыл бұрын
@@warpmine1761 If the war would have continued to 46 - 47, and Bismarck, or Tirpitz was still afloat. they would have been uppgraded with more modern radars, rangefinders, AAguns etc etc, AND manned by an experienced crew. And about the main guns, the old British 15"/42 was still a good one, but the German 380mm, was more powerful, with better penetration, higher velocity, longer range. Both ships were good in rough seas, probably the 2 best BBs ever in that regard, it could go anyway, but i would bet my money on the German ship.
@warpmine1761
4 жыл бұрын
@@niclasjohansson4333 That's not how it goes and you know it! You go to war with the tools and army you currently have adn make improvements if you can. We're talking the future vs the past adn both German Battleships were laid down in the 30's and upgraded as construction allowed until ready to go into action. Had there been no aircraft carriers around, it was quite possible that the Bismarck might have made it back to the French coast and been protected by the German Air force but it wasn't to be. She was damaged during the first engagement enough to seek the safety of the French coast. Had Prinz Eugen not been sent off in another direction then a more formidable force could have been there to help one another. If, if and if. Had Hitler not went to war September 1, 1939 as he promised to the Kriegsmarine he would never do (yes, he broke promises with regularity just like the modern political class) X,Y and Z plans could have been put into place. Assuming the other side would do nothing then Hitler had a chance but that wasn't going to happen anyway so no sense in harping about it. Germany had the right idea about commerce raiding but were going to use the wrong tools which should have been the U-boats. They invested in the wrong direction. Battleships bring prestige but only if you have enough of them and the year is before the era of the carrier. At this point, it's best to remember her with fondness as a serious battleship in her time. She had deadly guns and protective armor but none of it help much in the end..
@99IronDuke
5 жыл бұрын
The last, and best, Royal Navy battleship.
@chopchop7938
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing special. An off the shelf spare parts ship that took years to finish and when finally finished the war was over. What a waste when other things, like food and shelter were needed.
@theant9821
4 жыл бұрын
@@chopchop7938 you are a miserable scroat, can't you just admire what was an impressive ship, everyone was impressed with dreadnought and she wasn't much by the time she was 6 years old.
@jwadaow
3 жыл бұрын
@@chopchop7938 The ship provided food and shelter for many in her short years of service.
@Caughtin4klol-nj4zi
12 күн бұрын
@@chopchop7938you definitely know nothing about the vanguard their guns were upgraded it have better range and accuracy
@johnwagner4776
Жыл бұрын
A shame she wasn't maintained in reserve long enough to be modernized like the Iowa-class. The presence of an enhanced Vanguard at the Falklands might've made a huge difference
@geoffreyboyling615
4 жыл бұрын
During the 1970s I worked with an engineer who had been the Gunnery Officer - 'Guns' on HMS Vanguard He said that one day in 1958 or 1959 we got a signal which read - 'Go to sea and don't come back with any 15" ammunition" So we went out into the North Atlantic, well clear of any shipping lanes, and fired it all off
@geoffreyridge54
2 жыл бұрын
the ship that would have been useful 1943.....
@bkjeong4302
Жыл бұрын
Try back in WWI.
@mikedench1110
4 жыл бұрын
The last hurrah for the British Empire, thanks for this, I've always been a fan of Vanguard. My uncle was a radar tech on her at one time. As a little boy I stayed at his flat in Portsmouth when the Coronation celebrations were happening and Mum and I went out to see the ships.
@jasontwynn7356
2 жыл бұрын
That's so sad,she would of been great today as a battle ship. There still useful,they can make anything disappear from the safety of the sea. Relocate and repeat as needed. Almost nothing around day can hurt her to bad. Would be awesome to see the battle ships back in action. It's just a dream now,to see them in all there glory on battle again.
@wandrinyew
4 жыл бұрын
I have seen in many videos of capital ships firing their main armament, then the barrel of the gun drops. Why is that?
@Drachinifel
4 жыл бұрын
Most battleship guns were not able to be loaded at typical battle elevations, so needed to be dropped to reload
@wandrinyew
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for verifying.
@4evaavfc
3 жыл бұрын
One might be forgiven for opining that either Vanguard or Warspite should have been saved for future generations.
@ross.venner
5 жыл бұрын
Correction, she went aground in the narrows by the Still and West (pub). Southsea Castle is a mile down channel. That said, thank you for a fascinating account of a ship that I still remember vividly.
@tommybason6057
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine the phone call the pub landlord would have had to make to his insurance company: Insurance: please explain how your pub was destroyed sir? Landlord: well... it was run over by a loose battleship
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