Spending a 8 hour painting session on a model yesterday, I listened to many of your HC and it really helped to think about why I paint and for whom. And not that it helps to become a better painter. But it definitely helps to decide what you actually want to paint and what just looks cool because its the latest trend in fashion. Thanks Vince, this was extremely helpful and entertaining.
@VinceVenturella
3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, always happy to help. :)
@ianwood6772
6 жыл бұрын
I don't comment much on KZitem but your statement on celebrating other's success really stuck out to me. I competed (unknowingly) at a small local store and won the best painted army award. Everyone was so nice with what they had to say leading up to that moment that the fact that I won wasn't even a big deal. What meant more was having people comment on how much they loved my work.
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly, celebrating each other is one of the things that truly makes this hobby great. Never tear anyone down, we can always lift each other up.
@TheFimbriatus
5 жыл бұрын
Your videos motivate me a lot to paint and push my limits and comfort zones. So much so I’ve decided to take part in Everchosen. Not expecting anything but lots of pressure before and tons of fun on the day. Thanks Vince, keep doing what you’re doing.
@VinceVenturella
5 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, it's good to push yourself and good luck, :)
@TheFimbriatus
5 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella just to let you know my man, I finished my Haarken just hours before store opening on the day. Wasn't entirely happy with result, but I just couldn't leave it after all that time spent and support from girlfriend and kids. Took my model to the competition expecting no votes at all and last place. To my surprise, I had 100% of votes - everyone liked my Haarken. I took 1st place in Everchosen category and made it further. You have no idea how big part of my little victory you've played. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't even think of going there. I only painted 5 models since last November and really am beginner. Once again thank you.
@redrooster7371
6 жыл бұрын
Share your work! This is so important. I love to look at other people's art. Storytelling, ideas, textures, creativity, colors etc. Sometimes there are pieces that don't win anything but inspire me. So for me it's part of the deal to show my work too. Don't be shy, you don't know who will get inspired by your work.
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. 100%.
@iceaxeminiatures7694
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Vince, great video. If you do a follow up, I think there are a couple things that might be good to address. First, are there any unwritten rules that new competitors should be aware of so they don't end up embarrassing themselves or doing something wrong? I know last weekend, a judge told to me that I shouldn't have entered something because he had judged it at a different contest a few months ago, and it is apparently a huge faux pas to enter the same piece into contests where the same judge might see it twice -- I legitimately did not know about this, and felt really embarrassed. Second, a lot of painters don't paint specifically for any contest, and just paint for themselves and then when there is a competition coming up, look at their shelf and bring whatever recent work fits best. Do you have any advice on deciding what to enter in this case? Is there a limit on how long should a piece travel with you before it is retired to your display case? Obviously there is a line somewhere between "I showed this piece in public once and never again" and "This piece of mine won a Crystal Brush in 1977, and I keep bringing it to contests." Is there a good rule of thumb, especially when there aren't any written rules at the contest? Finally, do you have any advice on "breaking into" the community, especially for socially awkward people (because, lets face it, hobbies that involve not leaving the house and focusing intently on small objects for long periods of time tend to attract socially awkward people)? In small communities like the miniature painting community, wargaming communities, etc., it can be intimidating for new people trying to become part of this little world where everyone knows everyone, and there is a lot of hero worship for internet micro-celebrities (such as yourself, I suppose?)
@VinceVenturella
5 жыл бұрын
Many points to cover there. Let me handle this in turn. 1) I don't buy that at all and strongly disagree with that Judge. That's a shame that judge feels that way, but if the contest doesn't prohibit it, that is nonsense. I don't like unwritten rules - rules are meant to be written or they aren't rules. I work on pieces that I mean to show for a year. Each contest has it's own rules on what I can bring (Crystal Brush for example has to be all new, can never have comepted elsewhere, NOVA on the other hand is more Euro in style and doesn't care what it's done before, Gen-Con just prohibits pieces that have placed before). Either it's a rule or its not. My feedback to that judge would be - then put that in your rules pack. As a judge, they can set whatever restrictions they want, but expecting you to know that is silly. I spend 100-150 hours per piece I do. I simply wound't have the time to do fresh pieces for every competition and it's silly to expect that of painters. 2) I kind of mentioned this above, but it will tail into this well. I have a series of competitions I go to over the year, and I bring a set of pieces for that year. The basic rule is nothing ever competes in the same competition twice (most have hard rules against this in their packs, even if they don't this one is I suppose assumed). I bring what I can, where I can and then retire everything at the end of that season and work on the new stuff. Now for me, I absolutely paint for a specific competition. I might bring the piece somewhere else, but I know each competition has it's bias and so I paint specifically for those, though I will still take it other places as well, I just have to accept it will do better at A than at B). I don't know that I would recommend that for someone new, but I would recommend painting specifically for competition. Know that is what the piece is going to be and do your absolute best. Leave nothing on the table. Work it until you have reached the absolute limit of your abilities. Then get feedback from people with a good eye and work it more. 3) I feel your pain on this one. I am very socially awkward. I know that sounds strange coming from someone speaking on teh internet, but believe me, I have spend my whole life feeling alone in crowded rooms. I am bad at conversation and I always feel like no one would really want to speak to me. You are not alone there. My best advice, people would love to chat with you (as long as you don't wear out your welcome ;) ) - I always enjoy people coming up, discussing their work with me, talking shop as it were and the vast majority of painters I have met are the same. There are limits of course, everyone has only so much time, but my best advice is to use the piece or something you are working on and just discuss. We all love to gab about the hobby, that's why we do it, and most of us are happy to help. In the long run, it's your work that will speak for you. It's a it rough, but you do keep what you kill. If you compete often, if you do great work, people will recognize it and recognize the skill. But long before that, people will be happy to speak with you and help you reach that next level.
@iceaxeminiatures7694
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. It's possible that I may have misinterpreted something, but I do agree that it's always best to have things like this written down. Ironically, in this case, I was initially going to enter a different model which was more recent instead of the six month old piece I did enter, but at the last minute decided to switch because the older model was on a display base and the more recent model was more of a ridiculously high tabletop standard piece on a gaming base than a display piece... but that probably wouldn't have hurt me that much anyways because it was a painting contest at a tournament. I like the idea of thinking of it as "seasons"... for me, I've been thinking the same; keep pieces around for about a year so you don't bring the same thing to the same show two years in a row, but also try not to feel bad about entering a lot of stuff (unless it's against the rules) because people go to these shows at least in part to look at other people's cool stuff. Though, I'm also not as far along on my hobby journey as you, so I sometimes want to retire things early as I feel like I've progressed beyond that point. I do paint for competition, but I tend to limit how much I paint for specific competitions to avoid stressful deadlines... eg, instead of saying "this is going to be my project for X show," I say "I'm going to paint this up real good," then when I finish I say "hey look, there's a show coming up next month; I'll bring her there." I'm trying to level up; I'm feeling like I'm in a bit of an awkward place right now in that I'm feeling pretty good at a lot of the technical skills like getting smooth blends, fine lines on freehand, etc., but it feels like I'm struggling with making mistakes on basic art school things like composition, etc. However, I did get a lot of good feedback last weekend, and after a little bit of feeling bad about all the things the judges picked apart, I'm thinking my next piece will be heavy on all the things that I didn't do so well last weekend as kind of a "challenge accepted" response. And, as a completely random aside, have you tried out those Molotow Liquid Chrome markers and refills yet? I've been playing around with them lately; they're really popular among scale modellers and gundam guys and I was thinking that especially if you take it out of the marker and onto a pallette for brush painting, it could be useful for the highest highlight on TMM?
@ronin1218
5 жыл бұрын
I had the experience of entering my first painting competition earlier this year and had no idea what to expect. I'm normally not the type that shares pictures of my work, though that means I also don't get much in the way of feedback because of it. Hadn't even had an FLGS until this one in particular opened nearby and started a competition. I was even going to wait to see how the first one turned out before trying but my wife kind of forced me to enter to put myself out there more and be social. Managed to get 3rd despite only having two weeks to complete a piece and being horribly sick the entire time. Now I learned quite a bit that goes along with what you're saying. I could have spent way more time on it and I still see all the flaws. Then there was the bias. I was expecting judges like everyone talks about, but this competition was much different. Judging was done in the store by customers along with an online poll. Even if I had spent two more weeks on the miniature, I don't think I would have done any better than what I had because my choice of mini wasn't that compelling to the broad audience of people that have no interest in painting or miniatures in general. I had chosen a Tau Commander because of an army I had sitting around for a year. So I chose it more for myself knowing I wanted to play the army and just needed a jump start and chance to try out the color scheme. Knowing that I was going to get more out of the mini than just a competition piece meant I didn't mind putting in the work towards it or how well it placed. However, I was disappointed with not placing higher. There was a huge facebook uproar after it came out that the person that got first, was also the one that set up the competition, took the pictures for online, and placed all the minis in the display for customers, which means theirs was in the front. I wanted to be angry, but in the end, I knew regardless of how well painted it was, his choice of mini was just better and I enjoyed putting the time into mine. Knowing what I know now, I would absolutely do another one but I need to spend more time on my techniques to feel happy about my presentation.
@VinceVenturella
5 жыл бұрын
Glad despite the challenges, you had a good time and learned. It's the best thing you can do. If you are trying to take your next step, feedback is the key, there is nothing else more valuable. As to the format there, you are right, on-line and popular voting is always different, because it's driven largely by figure choice, color and the popularity of other eye catching as opposed to the quality of the technique. That being said, it seems that you are have the right attitude. You are sharing and taking the feedback and thinking about how you could work more. You are way ahead of most already and I would encourage you to share more, it gets addictive after a while. :)
@randygagliano5984
6 жыл бұрын
good video. I just started painting and don't plan on any comps, but good advice. I think you could have shortened the FEEDBACK section by just saying"be an adult and don't throw a hissy fit" lol
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help. :) - That would be simpler, though i am not sure people would take it well. :)
@andrewwade9806
6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha I dunno, sometimes it's fun to be dramatic and throw a hissy fit XD
@davidcollins2648
4 жыл бұрын
there is a physical reason why you cannot paint for 14 hours straight and that has to do with a chemical called rhodopsin that controls the ability of the eye to sharp focus. when your eyes feel tired that is the reason why and a break of a few hours can restore your body chemistry and allow you to continue.
@vincemincevince
6 жыл бұрын
this is so good vince, i’m a long way off to even considering entering a competition but i will take on board all you have said
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Awesome, happy to help as always.
@wwgg60
4 жыл бұрын
I thought like you but was encouraged to enter anyway. In roughly a year I painted 10 Samurai; the first 6 look toyish though with very clean lines but the last 4 looked increasingly better especially the last 2. It was an open competition and they gave me a Silver for "Whole Collection." Now I'm trying to learn to paint 5 shades of highlights and shades which is a work in progress...
@andrewwade9806
6 жыл бұрын
Hehe, that's refined knowledge there :D I definitely echo paint what you love and never feel entitled. Going against that is an easy way to be a sad painter. You have probably spoken about it before and the topic of the video precludes it, but I would add "ask yourself why you want to goto a competition before anything." Sometimes the actual reasons will be orthogonal to the competition meta, or even "competing" in a competition in the first place. Take for example all the miniatures you spoke about that you practiced on first, they has a lot of value to yourself as well as a "currency" for getting a positive boost from other people (by going to competitions you have acknowledged you want others to evaluate your work and give you a positive boost). When you share online those "draft" minis, the can and will still blow someones mind and they will tell you by a comment or a like. You just won the "competition" with that person and it feels good. On a personal level, I go to 1 or 2 competitions a year to experience the environment, meet people, see amazing examples of the thing I love, geek out and talk about it for hours ignoring reality, share my ideas/projects, and learn learn learn learn learn and learn. I use painting specifically as a creative outlet for my ideas and stress relief to ward of bad mental spaces. Because of this, it is very important for me to paint my personal passion and forget about awards (however arrogant that may sound). If I chase the golden goose, I will have a bad time. The process is very important to me, but if along the way I spark a strong reaction from someone (painter or otherwise) with a project of mine, I am very happy.
@MickyJenver
6 жыл бұрын
I go to painting competitions to try to find out what orthogonal means :)
@andrewwade9806
6 жыл бұрын
aaaah Micky Troll strikes again. I mean different from
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed and wonderfully said sir.
@shaneflickinger
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for 150 Hobby Cheatings Vince! Really interesting topic even though I personally paint just for gaming.
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
I find it's useful as a challenge just to paint once in a while as though it were for competition, even if not going. Just a good way to motivate yourself to really push on a project or two once in a while. Glad it was helpful. :)
@schmodizzle4465
6 жыл бұрын
Good job vince. Your my inspiration to get better. I sure I hope I meet you some day
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help. If you are ever at any of the big conventions, you;ll see me. :)
@tomrodemeier520
6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you, Vince!
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
@pedroleonard2007
3 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: you can watch movies at flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching all kinds of movies during the lockdown.
@kysonxavier5002
3 жыл бұрын
@Pedro Leonard yea, have been watching on Flixzone} for years myself :D
@yougosquishnow
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this. Hoping to stretch myself and enter gen con next year Taking your advice of entering competitions early and often to improve (been painting for 6 months now so gonna take a lot of practice).
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Awesome, do it, Gen-con is a great contest to enter as it is run by wonderful people and you get back score sheets with direct feedback. The judges also make themselves very available.
@chucklamb3496
4 жыл бұрын
My first competition was at a military show (that had a fantasy category). I got a blue ribbon which was the highest award. After the show I was packing it to go back home. Some guy came up to me and offered to buy it. Like you said, pick a mini you love. I put the time and effort into it and I just couldn’t sell it.
@VinceVenturella
4 жыл бұрын
I understand, I just can't bring myself to sell competition pieces, too much emotional investment.
@Unnickcomealtri
6 жыл бұрын
I need a 10 minutes loop of Vince going "prrrffff"
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can do. :)
@Unnickcomealtri
6 жыл бұрын
On a serius note: do you have an Instagram? I've tried looking for you but couldn't find anything!
@KevinNWahl
4 жыл бұрын
Vince Venturella Love Your Channel!!
@dangrothe7996
6 жыл бұрын
I think this is the third "How to prep for competition" vid I've seen this month. It's almost like September 1 starts everyone's "OMG Crystal Brush in Six Months!!!!!111!11!" countdown clock. :)
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
I mean, you're not wrong. :) - In this case, it was because NOVA is next week and so competition was on my mind. I saw Miniac also put up a video after I had scheduled mine and I found it ironic. :)
@dangrothe7996
6 жыл бұрын
The 'fourth place' comment kinda makes me laugh. At my first Rogue Demon--the pre-Crystal Brush competition at Adepticon--I entered five or six pieces (I think I had something in every category) and won nothing. I was chatting with Jen Haley later and she told me that I had the honor of winning the most fourth place awards at the show. I took it as a compliment. I still point to the empty spot on my shelf where my non-existent award sits!
@joshuaflanery9347
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the helpful video Vince. As a long time table top painter this series has helped me push forward to some more advanced techniques. Also, I love the color scheme on your Morathi. May I ask what colors you used for the pink on the belly scales? It looks wonderful and I have been struggling with a similar pallet on a project.
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Bloodfest Crimson, Purple Ink, Harvester Flesh, Pink Glaze (Warcolours), and Orcish Dermis as well as a little mohave white.
@U_N_C_L_E_Mike
2 жыл бұрын
LMAO I love 48:00 feedback. I laughed so hard at this.
@VinceVenturella
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, glad you enjoyed. :)
@U_N_C_L_E_Mike
2 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella happy new year :)
@fje042
3 жыл бұрын
Whats the competitions with the highest quality in europe? Anyone know? Is there a list or overwiev of most of the competitions coming jo somewhere?
@VinceVenturella
3 жыл бұрын
There is a big list in Europe, Monte San Savino, Hussar, Salute and of course Golden Demon all come to mind, but there are many more.
@SpiritLinkFilms
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Vince, thanks for an great channel! I have an question to you about golden demon, I've never competed before, but I'm planning to make an trip next year to an age of sigmar event and drop in an contribution from me to the competition, but mostly to visist Warhammer at the same time. I've had an idea about an Squad entry for stormcast, are they only allowed to be an squad following the rules of the game, or can you mix match diffrent to make an squad. example: Stormcast gryph rider with an eagle and couple bowmen?.
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
So you will want to look at the official rules on Golden Demon dot com. That being said, generally no, the units are not required to be a "game legal unit" - but there are minimums on number of figures and maximum on size. I believe they probably like it if it makes sense as a unit in some way, as it's also a marketing exercise, but that doesn't exclude you. (this is where we get into that bias thing to some degree, but it's hard to read).
@alanrennox7340
6 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Vince, and as usual, a question. For Diorama entries, is it acceptable to use a printed image as a background, such as stormy sky, or would you recommend a hand painted backdrop?
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
In general, not really. Most judges would frown on it. Generally anything in your composition should be painted. I have heard judges directly say as much at a few contests.
@alanrennox7340
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vince.
@jaster705
6 жыл бұрын
whats your opinion on liquitex medium compared to winsor&newton? also, any retardant brand recommendation, im buying some additives to restock my painting arsenal, if you want to recommend something out of the varnishes or mediums please do also whats the different between glazing medium and normal matt/gloss/satin.... medium????
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
I don't find either better than the the other. Additives I like are a good flo-aid (I like Liquitex and Warcolours), a good retardent (same thing again on brands) and basically Vallejo mediums. The difference is glaze medium isn't just medium, it's also got additives in it. So your normal matte, satin and gloss medium are basically just medium (or at least mostly so), glaze varnish seems to have a little flow improver in it and is thinner (but they don't release the exact formula, so that is supposition).
@jaster705
6 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot, due to my style of painting, i tend to go for a lot of thin layers, so i think i will just use the glaze medium as a 2-in-1 (im on a bit of a budget) and i will use vallejo and liquitex
@davidcollins2648
4 жыл бұрын
do your best work, have zero expectations and be gracious and willing to take criticism well. bias is implicit in every judged competition and unless you know the judge well consider it a total crapshoot. putting your ego on the line is the perfect way to having it crushed.
@VinceVenturella
4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, great advice. :)
@jasonwood1720
6 жыл бұрын
Can't thank you enough for these videos Vince. Don't ever let anyone tell you that your opinions aren't bible truths :P
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Well, I'll tell myself that, but I appreciate it. :)
@Mordraqq
3 жыл бұрын
"The Dictatorship of Art", xD
@VinceVenturella
3 жыл бұрын
It sometimes can be.
@MickyJenver
6 жыл бұрын
Very cool and wise. I think I definitely need to slow down and be more patient, no more crazy speed painting :) I shall also tell Skeleton :)
@VinceVenturella
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you two speed demons really need to slow down. You're out of control. ;)
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