I’d like to see someone sue CGC when they ruin their comic about not getting proper market value for the book refunded. This would finally put the rest CGC’s assertion that their grading is an opinion only, yet the market is set by those grades that they assign, and even worse, CGC charges more for grades assigned on what they consider to be valuable books based on what those opinions on grades that their own graders give.
@BronzeAgeNerd
2 күн бұрын
Phenomenal follow-up! Thanks for sharing this.
@OJ_Pimpson
2 күн бұрын
Mark Wilson uses a company email account to send himself sensitive company documents as he is exiting the company. Seems like a genius.
@pablob406
2 күн бұрын
Should have used a Flash drive, lol
@BigMoneyGripMCV
2 күн бұрын
it's the best (meaning dumbest) thing i've heard lol, you can't fix stupid.
@brute_nm
2 күн бұрын
Thanks for having Paul on again. He's very good at explaining complex legalese in a way that even idiots like me can understand 😅
@ptioxon
2 күн бұрын
Bob Overstreet's estate should sue all grading companies for expropriation of the comic grading system he helped pioneer and widely promoted it to the comic collectors. The widely, universally shared concepts of grading were originated as OBSERVABLE defects, hardly any secretive process.
@davidsamuelson2089
2 күн бұрын
These grading companies have turned their back on Overstreet since the inception of CGC.
@Cincinnatijames
2 күн бұрын
Overstreets grading was very difficult before CGC, Overstreet has actually conformed closer to CGC's standards.
@revoltpuppy
Күн бұрын
I don’t think that’s a thing you could sue for.
@matthewpfaff7033
2 күн бұрын
Some things I'm not getting here. Other card graders have used subgrades before. I believe Arena club has them, HGA had subgrades and until recently CGC Cards had them. Becket does not have exclusivity to the idea unless they were licensing it to these other companies. Did they trademarked the idea for comics? The product hasn't come to market. Dose a trade secret exist if it hasn't seen release. What if CGC said they were working on subgrades internally but haven't released the product yet. Whos trade secret would it be?
@OilersWorkshop
2 күн бұрын
EXACTLY
@The9.9Newsstand
2 күн бұрын
Thank you, both!!
@mgaskill
17 сағат бұрын
Paul “hovering” on Friday made me laugh! 😂 I think the key aspect of this whole situation is that both defendants have both demonstrated a serious lack of business ethics and, frankly, common sense. I’d think that after this, PSA may not actually want them in key positions. This could affect their immediate employment, as well as their longer-term options. That’s also a pretty significant factor in this case, and how this might affect PSA’s comics grading launch if they choose to part ways with Mark Wilson.
@Swils_21
2 күн бұрын
CBCS is scared. Desperate times call for desperate measures it seems. They can’t stop PSA from squashing them and they know it.
@peterkalos6271
2 күн бұрын
I get how the algorithm that comes up with the grades for sub grades could be proprietary, but like sub-grades are not new. Other card grading companies have used them. Like any grading company could say they want to do sub categories grading and it wouldn’t be infringing on cbcs process.
@MJComix
2 күн бұрын
Fantastic insight into this case. Paul knows his stuff! I think that amount of emails is crazy. Is grading comics a trade secret?
@pbales8951
2 күн бұрын
Excellent follow-up. I'm always shocked when companies don't keep computer systems that have sensitive information air-gapped from computer systems that have internet access that can send external e-mails. This is just poor business practice.
@BeyondWednesdays
2 күн бұрын
Great job Swag as always 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@beleve12
Күн бұрын
I would like to hear Paul’s take on Banana Gate. Is there any recourse the customer can take?
@davidsamuelson2089
2 күн бұрын
Hey, is he ever going to come up with the follow up on what happened to that CGC in-house theft group that was sued? Or the people that they were prosecuting for switching out the slabs?
@juliusmaloney
3 сағат бұрын
Basically it’s the comic version of Barbie vs. Bratz. 👍🏼
@popsequentialism7213
2 күн бұрын
I guess we'll know if West is worried about the pending litigation if a bunch of Edgar Church illustrations hit the market.
@ww8552
2 күн бұрын
Cgc tcg grading used to have sub-grades. How come Becket didnt sue cgc back then? Is it the concept of having sub grades or more of the algorithm. So if the algorithms are different it is okay?
@pablob406
2 күн бұрын
Could this just be an act to deter employees from doing this in the future? Less about now, more as a deterrent going forward? As a warning…
@T-RexSuplex1
2 күн бұрын
As of right now I think CBCS will win the case and will double as a warning to other employees who do this. But this is something that is known in the corporate world. Don't send yourself notes, pics, documents from work email to personal email. Especially if your leaving to a direct competitor.
@markleneker9923
2 күн бұрын
PSA uses subgrades on cards for the final displayed grade. I mean same nomenclature: Centering, Corners, Edges, and Surface. Why didn't Beckett sue before?
@MetalBum
2 күн бұрын
Question did PSA come up with this subgrade first or Beckett. Second. Is it really a trade secret or is subgrades just a common sense thing
@sheasheagaming1660
2 күн бұрын
@@MetalBum Precisely. This is all so ridiculous
@MarcSpectorComics
Күн бұрын
Exactly! CBCS wont have any leg to stand on if it goes to court. Beckett CGC and PSA all use sub grades only difference is PSA doesn't put it on their labels.
@charliedogg7683
2 күн бұрын
Reading and collecting comics used to be a fun niche geek hobby. Then the big-money people moved in during the 90s - all this kerfuffle over dodgy CGC gradings, secret grading information being stolen and everything else that's cropped up in the last few years can be traced back to the soulless bastards who infiltrated comics three decades ago and never left.
@mestizo3113
2 күн бұрын
Are these the graders that Beckett lured away from CGC to start their CBCS company?
@wonderworldcomics2020
2 күн бұрын
You’re wrong on a lot of counts on this
@gregsug1640
2 күн бұрын
Beckett didnt start up CBCS...😏
@hustlecrowe9440
2 күн бұрын
Subgrades are not unique to Beckett, CSG used subgrades for trading cards and AFA for toys.
@sheasheagaming1660
2 күн бұрын
There is no proprietary information around grading comic books. This is ridiculous.
@Hobbiest34243
2 күн бұрын
Grading guides are what they are guides. What makes a 9.8 comic book every time giving criteria with examples with exclusions at that grading company with knowledge that is not public is a trade secret. Knowing the exact process from A to Z information that is not public knowledge is a trade secret. Having access to the company’s computer system with the availability to look up certification numbers to see if the book has ever been resubmitted for a grading bump is inside information that is a trade secret.
@OJ_Pimpson
2 күн бұрын
Wilson literally stole company documents.
@sheasheagaming1660
2 күн бұрын
@@Hobbiest34243 Grading is all opinion at the end of the day. Who do you trust? None of them have some sort of proprietary knowledge that makes their grading different.
@Hobbiest34243
2 күн бұрын
@@sheasheagaming1660 yes, grading is definitely an analytic opinion. What makes that opinion set in market is the hammer realized on dollar figures when that artifacts sells. That grading team in that company are confirmed by those who buy that companies product of graded encased artifacts. Whose brand sells the most is what makes that company as trend setters. Therefore that grading team is confirmed to be market correct on the application of grading standards that the public accepts on grading artifacts by that trend setting at auction. At the end of the day grading is opinions but those guys do it day after day. While the Overstreet guide of grading is a guide companies tweak the grading scale to what the market accepts from that hammer at auction and anything those guys do that is market acceptable and is not published publicly is a trade secret. That’s just how I view it.
@T-RexSuplex1
2 күн бұрын
@Hobbiest34243 right on the nail dude
@thecomickeeper5127
2 күн бұрын
Now his son posted a video on his channel spilling all that 🍵. Yikes . Funny bc intellectual "property" rights prove how stupid capitalism's internal logic is.
@davidsamuelson2089
2 күн бұрын
It’s actually pretty funny because it’s one start up comic grading company soon to go bankrupt suing another existing company that is pretty much really going into bankruptcy
@gregsug1640
2 күн бұрын
@@davidsamuelson2089trying to drum up new sources of revenue...😏
@word2life597
2 күн бұрын
all this law suit does is confirm that I will never use CBCS to grade my comics and anyone using CBCS will just lose money on their comics.
@OJ_Pimpson
2 күн бұрын
Hi Mark
@word2life597
2 күн бұрын
@@OJ_Pimpson I wish I was Mark but no, not him
@BigMoneyGripMCV
2 күн бұрын
sup Mark
@word2life597
2 күн бұрын
@@BigMoneyGripMCV It's only funny when the first person and third person does it, never the second person.
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