I think redoing some your guides to adapt to No Step Back when needed is a good idea since it changed the game so much. Not all of your guides need updates but for China it is really appreciated.
@tagus100
2 жыл бұрын
Fully agree. The supply system really fucked existing strategy. I’d like to see Spain and the Ottoman Empire be updated too!
@dabbingtoast7743
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried using a few of the older ones and some things have definitely gotten way more annoying.
@magicmorris1692
2 жыл бұрын
Agree! I had issues with Soviet Mexico too (along with some other older guides)
@Kandall05161
2 жыл бұрын
Spain guides desperately need an update as well
@reggieandcookieland2306
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I want britt32steel but he's a cat
@zerokilo5811
2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine used to play as China all the time and he passed away in January, been trying to play successfully as China on ironman mode now around 17 times in his honor. Thanks for guide.
@kieranwalsh2058
2 жыл бұрын
China is my favourite nation to play. Your friend had excellent choice, and clearly he made at least one great friend
@jeffo7799
Жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss, hope your doing good
@bencatzilla
Жыл бұрын
sorry for your loss man, hope youre doing well atm
@moritztabor1678
Жыл бұрын
RIP to him
@truelightningstriker5803
Жыл бұрын
My condolences.
@ckfeliz
2 жыл бұрын
"Romance of the three kingdoms" only require you to puppet Guangxi and Yunnan, I think you can just outright annex Xibei San Ma at 9:34
@harshvardhangoyal3057
2 жыл бұрын
It's better to puppet since you can take their generals that way
@ckfeliz
2 жыл бұрын
@@harshvardhangoyal3057 never thought of it that way, guess that might be one of the reasons why u puppet instead of annex
@GeneralLiuofBoston1911
2 жыл бұрын
You only need Yunnan and Guangxi, but puppet and using political power to annex gets you a bunch of free generals. One time I did it a long time back and I had so many generals that to hire a new one was higher than the command power cap.
@ivankopernika536
2 жыл бұрын
@@harshvardhangoyal3057 not only. They'll also take a few industrial focuses and make a few more factories while you're saving up to annex them
@tagus100
2 жыл бұрын
@@harshvardhangoyal3057 That's interesting. You can puppet and annex through the mechanics or you can outright annex and gain acces to the cores straight away.
@red_seven_
2 жыл бұрын
Every time I start the counter attack through manchukuo I simply love how you instantly 'kill' everything in the north the moment you take Mukden. It's the single most important distribution point for the entire region and getting your hand on it seals the fate of all the troops in that area.
@Tortellobello45
2 жыл бұрын
Saw that, felt good when i took it and all the enemy units just fell in low org while my divs became organized AF
@winged_destro
2 жыл бұрын
Yea, last time I played china I didn’t take Mukden but Japan collapsed due to me putting a rebellion on their home islands (I don’t have dlcs)
@mr.ocelotguy8995
Жыл бұрын
@@winged_destro the quick coups are very funny at times
@winged_destro
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.ocelotguy8995 yeah, no la resistance is hilarious
@Chewbert
2 жыл бұрын
Always a good day when a new Bald3rsteel video comes out!
@bobbacon1398
2 жыл бұрын
Bald lmao
@Konichu35
2 жыл бұрын
chewbeeeert
@Roketsune
2 жыл бұрын
Is that a hair loss joke, or a reference to him playing Chiang Kai-Shek?
@Tortellobello45
2 жыл бұрын
@@Roketsune Chiang Kai Shek the most based Chinese person also known as Mr.Clean
@tacobowler
2 жыл бұрын
Joining the axis and therefore fighting USA is probably the best way to get the one about getting a field marshal to level 9
@patatone0493
2 жыл бұрын
Try restoring the mongolian empire, not an easy task I know, but it would be really cool wouldn't it?
@ivorycxxxx
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a fun challenge. I’d love to see this.
@whitezombie10
2 жыл бұрын
With his experience, a right timing and some luck it can be done
@maldouney6078
2 жыл бұрын
That challenge is going to leave bittersteel in despair. Love it!
@MapleMan1984
2 жыл бұрын
@Romanian RoN it does, just pretty small
@stevetheheadcrab7110
2 жыл бұрын
That would just be an easier tannu Tuva siberian tiger. I doubt after you conquer the Soviets Iran or any other ex mongol territory will be much of an issue
@Rena2star
2 жыл бұрын
I did the Awake and Angry achievement before they took away the requirements for the European cities. Hardest campaign I think I've done
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
2 жыл бұрын
"We put the Emperor in his place. *Which is PRISON* " This sentence has a strong Gigachad aura.
@Stouzough
2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, I just finished 100% achievements yesterday, but you're always a great teacher to watch again and again
@Ignatiuze
2 жыл бұрын
I was playing as Nationalist China earlier and I didn't like my playthrough, decided to check on your channel to see if you had any video to help and boom, you just released this. You are a godsend keep up the great work.
@williamgu3332
10 ай бұрын
"There's just a bit of Mongolia I'd like to take, namely all of it"😂
@samwill7259
2 жыл бұрын
I remember some documentary or other being told "if you were to observe humanity at any point in history and pick which civilization would conquer the whole world, you'd probably pick China."
@anidiot4992
2 жыл бұрын
"We've put the emperor in his place, which is prison." I'm💀
@iloveapple530
2 жыл бұрын
Winnie the pooh want to know your location
@james2529
Жыл бұрын
My comments on this; its entirely possible to win if they attack in 1937. Just pump out five full armies and set two to guard the ports, two to hold the north and one as a 'rapid reaction' force to repel invasions. Also, from the game start, build four mils and then connect and build up the railways. If you dont have a level three (ideally level 4) railway connecting Beijing to Nanjing at the start of the war then you have no chance of holding the north. Make sure the railways connect to all the supply hubs as well. You should also turn off all sea routes to stop what few convoys you have getting immediately sunk.
@Tortellobello45
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly without listening to the meta i did pretty good. I went historical and improved my template, i managed to kill off many Japanese divisions and now i am kinda stuck in Manchuria with low organization cause there are NO supplies at all, except a few railways at the Manchurian capital(that i already took). I had 600k casualties while they have 1.5 milion. PS.I ended that game by conquering Manchuria and starting pushing into North Korea, and PRC just decided to infiltrate 3 provinces at the worst moment and attacked me. But i had some spare divisions, i decided to enter a stalemate with Japan to kill of PRC, i did it, then i pushed into South Korea and as i took Seoul Japan asked to surrender leaving them with only Japanese island.
@DS-bx3sm
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say it's "ironic" that the Soviets help China more than the west in game (commenting on a miscellaneous comment you made in the beginning). The Soviets actually did help China substantially before 1941, more than any other nation, because they wanted to keep the Japanese from invading Siberia, and the Japanese were less likely to invade so long as they were fighting the Chinese. Shortly before Operation Barbarossa in 1941, the Soviets and Japanese signed a non-aggression pact where the Soviets agreed to stop supporting China and remain neutral. The Japanese considered breaking the neutrality pact that same year, but ultimately decided to attack the Philippines instead.
@trotsky7290
2 жыл бұрын
西伯利亚的补给太烂了
@heyvischan7622
2 жыл бұрын
I tried this strategy but instead of holding on to that land during Marco Polo, I gave it to the Japanese. The difference is after the 3 year non-aggression pact, Japan will have to justify on non-claimed provinces, which brought me another 230 days to prepare. And at the end, I was so strong that the lost territory didn’t matter, as I didn’t build there
@SapoWeonN300
Жыл бұрын
It's more recommended to not gave it for The XP, so You can reform your army Faster and grind The Japanese with a Swift Strokes
@heyvischan7622
Жыл бұрын
@@SapoWeonN300 I still managed to get all my army reforms in before Japan came, from the passive XP I get from advsiors and attachés.
@NON155
2 жыл бұрын
HOI4 GUIDE ULTIMATE LIBERIA
@bjousir
Жыл бұрын
@Bitt3rSteel Thanks for the guide. There must have been some updates that have made it more difficult to achieve the same results as described in the guide. After a few attempts, I almost gave up. But then, out of the blue, I discovered an new cheesy way to accomplish it. This method works if Shanxi does not surrender and you have to conquer them. Here are the steps: 1. Focus on quickly focustree annex goals on the warlords, communists, and Japan (Japan step is crucial). 2. Gain enough favor from Japan so that you can establish a non-aggression pact with them (do not activate it yet). 3. Puppet or conquer all warlords except Shanxi. 4. Wait until Japan starts justify on China, then establish a non-aggression pact with them. 5. Position your troops on the border with Shanxi with the goal of cut out Japan's advance and swiftly to capture victory points. 6. Now for the unconventional part: Japan declares war on Shanxi, you declare war on Shanxi... Japan then invites you to join their faction!? If you accept, you will enjoy a lifetime of peace with Japan, with no troops stationed on your border. You can leave the faction whenever you desire. Additionally, if you have the "Conquer Japan" focus, you can swiftly claim all logistical advantages along the Beijing border before Japan can react. I successfully executed this strategy when Japan declared war on the USA and managed to conquer all areas without much difficulty.
@rps215
2 жыл бұрын
I managed to do it the old way, the only difference is I build a supply hub in Suiyuan and completely hold the line. You can deliberately lose Shandong though, but don't let them take Qingdao, they will put a lot of troops there but cannot push because they run out of supply. I always manually assign port guards.
@shinapig
Жыл бұрын
The complete ROC (Capitalist China) territory also includes all of Mongolia and Tanutua, although there is no claim to Tanutua in the game
@goldenhedgehog9
Жыл бұрын
I know you just remade this guide 3 months ago, but already looks like you might need to remake it again since one of the key parts of this strategy was building up inter-war fighters at the start and now despite starting with multiple interwar plane air wings, China only starts with transport planes researched. Which with 181 days research time and 2 research slots, takes away a good bit of production efficiency gain time
@dave-xg5rd
Жыл бұрын
the airforce is not gonna matter, i just did the guide without it and it works fine, you can proceed with the air as you go, you have plenty of time to build up
@goldenhedgehog9
Жыл бұрын
@@dave-xg5rd yeah, figured it out on my own a day or 2 after commenting. Didn't build air, just built support AA instead. Added a little fort line around Beijing and the ports Japan likes to naval invade, added some static AA too to help out. Some railroad upgrades and a supply hup later and I had perfect supply while the japanese starved in Shanxi
@juliushardware7760
2 жыл бұрын
30:54 "One night in Bangkok and world's your oyster, one in Bangkok and we'll all be dead"
@Danon5
2 жыл бұрын
Literally the hardest part about awake and angry isn't the japanese no it is you not having a navy
@undamaged1813
2 жыл бұрын
I was following your guide and I managed to get myself into the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, I had really bad RNG and all of the war lords refused and the Marco Polo bridge event triggered whilst I was still fighting Shanxi and Japan invited to the faction... I am up currently up to 1941... and Japan is yet to start its attack
@undamaged1813
2 жыл бұрын
Update... Japan and the Soviets took over the entire world... USA and the UK fell in 1943, Germany fell to the Soviets in 1945, the Soviets control all of Europe and Japan controls Asia, Africa and North Americas...
@ry-zj9fq
Жыл бұрын
The ROC without Taiwan Province on the cover really makes me want to laugh.
@Myrth1
Жыл бұрын
If you think about it, loads of Japanese troops ending up stuck in northern China is actually a historical outcome. By the time of capitulation, Shanxi was under firm Japanese control and Yan Xishan actually had to deal with them diplomatically, allowing the wiling ones to go home and those who would like to kill some communists to just pledge allegiance to him. Nearly 60k people decided that killing commies sounds better than going back to Japan, where all they had to see was burned-out ruins and Americans occupying their home.
@QingChina1
2 жыл бұрын
I was just watching a documentary about China, and this notification popped up. What a coincidence :)
@Roketsune
2 жыл бұрын
You can't be Qing China because they died a bazillion years ago!
@QingChina1
2 жыл бұрын
@@Roketsune that's what they want you to think....
@dylanmbouadeu9836
2 жыл бұрын
I love your guides! Hopefully you could try to reform the Mongolian Empire !
@Eineindiefresse
Жыл бұрын
By Blood Alone changed the freaking airzones and now air feels like a complete waste of resources in the buildup when going to war in '37. Not having the La Résistance DLC also negates the possibility to use spies or get any intel whatsoever. Playing with just Waking the tiger, Death or dishonor and Together for victory (I'm not cheap just buying the DLCs one by one to get a gradual experience rather than an overwhelming one) China can still be really challenging because of the AI supply bonusses and use of bs command power mechanics
@musAKulture
2 жыл бұрын
beautiful pronunciation for pretty much everything. there is a reason for the apostrophe in yan'an, that is, you say yan, and then an, and NEVER ya/nan.
@phoenixwright7802
2 жыл бұрын
what????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@garbage_boy_7866
Жыл бұрын
Like the additional explanation over the sped up footage. Nice addition.
@GroundPanzers
2 жыл бұрын
I love your content and guides, but with NSB many guides are almost impossible with new Focus trees and Supply, so if you can redo guides for for NSB or By blood alone will be amazing thanks ❤️
@exoticbutters8217
2 жыл бұрын
you should put the required dlc in your description for your guides because a lot of us don't have the dlc.
@soropintoresco9030
2 жыл бұрын
try to win the 1939 scenario as china, the first year of micro even against the ai is a complete hell
@Theover4000
2 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about playing this, I could’ve sworn you made this already, but let’s gooooo!
@viclorenzo5016
2 жыл бұрын
The tiger is not only awake and angry, they are also united and ready!
@jimos4ever322
2 жыл бұрын
Thaaanks man I needed this. Been trying to do this for a while
@mistertwo6113
2 жыл бұрын
This would have been a great opportunity to show how to grind in this theater and achieve 'Sun Tzu Reborn'. Like the China pocket for example.
@yokinghaddock673
2 жыл бұрын
wow bitter steel these new videos are so engaging idk what you did but keep doing it
@jimthesoundman8641
2 жыл бұрын
I've never been able to subjugate the warlords since NSB came out, I think they changed something. I find it utterly impossible to get the warlords completed before the Japanese attack me.
@SnortingSpy1010
Жыл бұрын
Me using Calvary drive through Xi Bei San Ma capital to force surrender😎 Me having divisions dying in Sinkiang because it's "a little" far away from supply💀💀
@dabbingtoast7743
2 жыл бұрын
No Step Back made the achievements for minors a real pain in the ass. Looking at you My Ships Don’t Lie.
@ЙованДобройевичь
2 жыл бұрын
I did a run with KMT recently, was a lot of fun, really felt like achieving the good ending
@Toralen
2 жыл бұрын
No Step Back changed a lot of things for Napoleonic France playthrough, especially if you are going for the Moscow achievement. Could you do a Nappy France guide with heavy tanks for that achievement with Germany taken before UK?
@arya.n.8252
2 жыл бұрын
I've been doing the non-aggression pact thing but as the Soviet, I wet the "what is supplies? " Part of the mass assault doctrine and stack 150 division on the small German border between Latvia and Hungary. Work every time
@Т1000-м1и
2 жыл бұрын
I like how his videos are more then just a take all states compilation with generic jokes
@minecraft_by_oz
Жыл бұрын
In the base game no DLC I was able to take xibei San ma tibet and shanxi as communist China by 1939
@casualboomer3593
2 жыл бұрын
Italy in SP is so weak that they fold well before 1944 in 9 of 10 historical single player games. Hopefully Paradox makes them able to hold enough that DDay would actually matter.
@firdalion9685
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the great and helpful video. After I´ve watched some of your vids HOI is getting much easier. Initially I´ve played the German Reich. When I tried other countries I´ve followed the same strategy as with the German Reich. But that doesn´t work. Your vids showed me different ways to play HOI and use the intelligence - wonderful. Btw: I will never join the Allies again. I´ve done this several times and Mr. Churchill kicked me out every time, even though I didn´t do anything wrong and made a huge impact at war (yes, my portugese army liberated France, Belgium, Netherlands and then defeated Germany and Japan, while England did not get over the Alps). It´s not worth it - rather die lonely then betrayed by democrats.
@thomasodwyer5365
Жыл бұрын
31:07 American soldiers in Korea thinking they’ve won the Korean War after landing at Incheon and saving South Korea
@kevthomsen3462
Жыл бұрын
With the new By Blood Alone DLC, China doesn't have any starting planes researched. Would you recommend researching them as fast as possible?
@albertytube5547
Жыл бұрын
I think the chance of the five warlords accepting to become your puppets is depended on the opinions you have with them, because when I played China I started by immediately improve their relations and I got 4 out of the five submitted to me 3 times in a row. I could be totally wrong, but I am quite curious to know if that is the case.
@Buzzy_Bland
Жыл бұрын
People have looked into the event scripts, and it’s completely chance based, straight up 50/50. 😀 Also a lot (but not all) of focus-based events have their outcome determined at the beginning of the game. And I believe the Subjugate the Warlords events *are* one of those kinds of events, to be clear. Basically, the game has already flipped those five coins before you even did anything.
@Waldemarvonanhalt
2 жыл бұрын
I think the devs really need to at least ad an unconnected supply hub in Chongqing.
@hans6929
2 жыл бұрын
As a Taiwanese, which can also be known as the remaining of the Nationalist Chinese, I hate the fact that we suck back then. But we did...
@realysalte9730
2 жыл бұрын
bitt3rsteel youre guides are so awsm
@CombatWombat01
Жыл бұрын
@Bitt3rSteel Been following your guides I've done Germany and Japan. Even with the outdated info in some of the older video's I can still manage. In this one though China starts with an Airforce but not the research so you can't produce CAS and fighters until you research. Which might be what's hampering me but the other issue I run into is even with my non agression with Japan they just declare on one of the warlord puppets and I'm at war again. Any advice?
@Bitt3rSteel
Жыл бұрын
I'm looking to revisit this when I get to the C in my A to Z series
@exoticbutters8217
2 жыл бұрын
"and girls" haha as if women play hoi4 the day I find one is the day I get married
@james2529
Жыл бұрын
I love nationalist China. Such a fun game. If you can snipe Communist China you're pretty set, but the desperate defence is still really fun.
@ark8917
Жыл бұрын
完美
@ryanphillips4123
2 жыл бұрын
"We've put the Emperor in his place... which is prison." Based
@JacobReid
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have access to any planes or trucks as china. I also tried rushing those smaller nations and got completely bogged down against them. Looks like they completely nerfed this entire method
@ricxwav6061
Жыл бұрын
with the new dlc some things changed, you dont start with fighters researched anymore, but you are still way stronger than the smaller nations next to you, there is no way you lose against them, they dont even have enough troops to fill their frontline even if everyone of them refuses. If everyone of them refuses start by attacking the bottom 2 in the south and then work your way to the top and at last communist china. Also since you dont have fighters anymore you might also wanna research and recruit mountaineers to break through mountain tiles easier.
@jonahbaker7540
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a new Austria Hungary video with NSB or wait for BBA
@Lili_Chen2005
Жыл бұрын
I laughed when he said that 300,000 loses was a lot for China.
@Nuhhder
2 жыл бұрын
nice video havent watched it yet but know its gonna be a really good video :)
@directrulefromgamerchair3947
2 жыл бұрын
those European colonial holdings are bordergore lol
@bigboiboris8709
2 жыл бұрын
My right ear loved this
@urbsoce
2 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you for this!
@berserkgnome11
2 жыл бұрын
this is like my third run of trying to fully complete this
@joseph-mk4ce
Жыл бұрын
What DLCs are you using?
@hello_im_tomas8089
2 жыл бұрын
great nice video as usually but i would like to see more disaster saves,it was really funny back then when you were releasing it almost every week.
@Bitt3rSteel
2 жыл бұрын
Soon i can do BBA disasters!
@hello_im_tomas8089
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bitt3rSteel Thanks a lot!
@Roketsune
2 жыл бұрын
You should save Alex's disasters. He's having one like every week or so.
@hello_im_tomas8089
2 жыл бұрын
@@Roketsune Alex Is kinda bad tbh Its not that way Fun to watch it
@danabendu7294
2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving these types of videos
@arandomguythatlivesinAustr2239
2 жыл бұрын
POV: you watch people play hoi4 because you have no idea how
@grey_apache
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man i submitted a diaster save where America is doing really badly, I think it would be cool if you played it and showed me how to win, thanks!
@paincult7121
Жыл бұрын
Man, the non-aggression pact thing just makes it feel dirty!
@francis5600
2 жыл бұрын
Genuinely impressed you managed to get paratroopers to work. Always glitches out for me.
@idratherhidethat6033
Жыл бұрын
fun fact - currently China has no fighters researched at start.
@Bitt3rSteel
Жыл бұрын
Sucks, I know
@MrVineEye
10 ай бұрын
The guide still works though. You just have to do some extra air research at the start. I focussed one slot purely on air from the start: Interwar airframe, machine guns, bombs That's enough to start churning out some early fighters and CAS. Then upgraded the line to basic airframes with self sealing tanks and additional range - had quite a substantial airforce by late 38. It's quite easy to get the 4 research slots early with China so extra research isn't a problem.
@ferkstkojtt
2 жыл бұрын
I think the supply hub near xibei san ma is redundant, I never needed it in my china plays
@shay-170
Жыл бұрын
united front china is pretty fun too if you know what youre doing
@Rosa-xg8tb
Жыл бұрын
just tried this and every warlord refused lmao
@Kiddo5010
7 ай бұрын
You still need some western parts of the Raj and Nepal Bhutan outer Manchuria Sakhalin Mongolia and Tanu Tuva. Fans of China you know what im thinking
@whatsup8583
2 жыл бұрын
It's easy play China as nationalist or Communist
@cyganskadywizjapiechoty
Жыл бұрын
Air is still possible as china but some of the research now is different which makes it harder to get but still a good guide however got the achievement
@brianzhang349
Жыл бұрын
BBA messes with the planes production at the start of the video, as China now doesn’t start with a plane researched or designed. But elsewise, it does hold up, just gotta really let the Japanese melt their manpower and equipment on a wall of rifles and Chinese artillery. I’d say do lend lease, but my experience with lend lease is that the AI will say yes and before they send first shipment they then cancel it for whatever reason, leaving me still stranded with a 40-20k deficit in rifles. So do it with the expectation that nothing is gonna come of it. that’s my thoughts on it anyway.
@brianzhang349
Жыл бұрын
As a note aside: my first run trying this guide, all the warlords submitted. My next two runs weren’t as lucrative on that front, with usually two of the warlords refusing to bend the knee.
@robminns8395
Жыл бұрын
Great guide!
@robland3253
Жыл бұрын
For full china borders you need to take Mongolia, tannatuva, and the Russian far east excluding Siberia
@bvenkat9924
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, why dont you try adding flame tank support companies to your divisions?
@Bitt3rSteel
2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the meme
@CARL_093
2 жыл бұрын
good job and nice intro bro
@superduck2448
2 жыл бұрын
Start Poland at 1939 and cap Germany and USSR. Do it you won’t 🙃
@aze94
2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure if this still works after NSB, but if you hold off on getting the white peace to fire until after Japan gets French Indo-China and occupy it you get to keep it.
@gsmiro
2 жыл бұрын
Need to take Mongolia, Tanu Uriankhai and the Outer Manchuria back to really reform Greater China!
@nicolasderra3888
2 жыл бұрын
You only need to puppet and then integrate yunnan and guanxi, you don't need to puppet the others
@dirtegarbage
Жыл бұрын
I got a prageru ad on this
@spedrad
Жыл бұрын
29:30 anybody see the explosion in japan home land?
@gladiox7637
Жыл бұрын
wgere
@wilbertfeldt3065
Жыл бұрын
Damnit, I was so close. I had like the perfect start but I fucked it all up by doing the non-aggresion pact with Japan WAY too early. Like, it was going perfectly, I even had a spy with seducer.
@HyperScorpio8688
Жыл бұрын
Wait, for some reason in the latest update Nationalist China starts with ZERO air tech...
@Roketsune
2 жыл бұрын
H-how did Japan lose?! They have legions of kawaii nekomimi girls! I thought they were an irresistible force!
@fenrir5449
2 жыл бұрын
So trying this on latest patch, Japan just bypasses the non-agro by war dec your puppet shanxi cause they get a war goal on both you and shanxi. Is that new? or did I do something wrong?
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