Just gonna jot down some thoughts on the game and how it played out. Spoilers incoming. First off, 5 hunters. Huge mistake. Spore Shroom wouldn't have made a difference because healing isn't really an option vs. bosses. Descending Dark might have won me the game, but it would've took me ages to get in this seed, and it would've been dangerous if I got caught. The idea with 5 hunters was to allow them to spread out, roam, and get a bit more information on my route. In hindsight, I don't think that was necessary. 5 hunters could have been manageable with a slightly better loadout, but what made it basically impossible was *also* giving hunters a second extra mask, which was something that was accidentally left in from the TE mod settings that I copied over. That made for a weird ending to the video. But to be fair, the THK fight is also probably the least interesting part of the run. Either way, apologies for that. Some people might be a bit confused about the spoiler log aspect of this run. Well, there's a few problems that make a regular, non-spoiler log randomizer (probably) terrible for SVH. One, it can't really be balanced, as the runner may either collect a lot of useful PVP upgrades or none at all. Might be funny for viewers, but would make for a not great experience for players. Two, because it's random, the runner's route is totally unpredictable, but one of the main appeals of SVH is hunters trying to predict where the runner will go next. Third, hunters have no way of knowing which item locations the runner has already been to, so they have no idea when they shouldn't protect something. So a regular randomizer is more or less a full-map hide and seek with minimal additional strategy. Hunters need access to the spoiler log, and if they have it, then not giving it to the runner too is just the same as this but with a lot more dead time between pickups. I thought that ItemSync could be a solution, but syncing all the same upgrades tends to be Hunter favored, making the late game extremely difficult. Hence, I decided we should use spoiler logs. We ended up doing a lot of planning in terms of routing, which was cool. Blossom made a 10-page doc on the route which was shown shortly at the end. But we tried an additional run with a more complicated seed and it broke my brain. Benchwarping is unfortunately sometimes required, which is not great for the game. Stags too. Overall, the concept is probably more fun to plan out than it is to actually play. Another major issue is that simple seeds like this are easy to communicate to viewers, but a complex seed definitely wouldn't be. Even in this seed explanation, I glossed over a lot of details. So... not sure if I'll revisit this concept or not. But it was heavily requested and so I wanted to see if it could work at least, and we had fun with it either way.
@Blomsom
6 күн бұрын
hope it's ok to comment and share my thoughts this early but i think spore shroom was a good play!!! with three grubs at spore shroom tablets it was worth if you could sneak it in. i wasn't anticipating it because i'm coming at it from a rando racing perspective and committing to colo2 is a huge timesink, but in hindsight that isn't really a bad thing in svh where you have all the time in the world as long as you don't get caught. also i feel it's worth mentioning that spoiler races are fairly common in the hk rando racing scene! usually we get 5-10 minutes to plan it out (instead of the several hours we had here), so oat and i are both very experienced with glancing at the spoiler log and immediately spotting the progression chain. it wasn't an insane stretch to add multiplayer into the mix. it ended up playing out like a weird hand/brain spoiler rando to any% ending where we were tasked with thinking from fire's perspective rather than planning out what we wanted to do, and having to also factor in the hunting aspect into our decisions was a ton of fun. (obviously can't speak for everyone on how fun it was but i really hope it's a nice watch for everyone!!! yippee rando yippee yippee yippe yippee)
@fireb0rn
6 күн бұрын
@@Blomsom Of course it's okay to comment! The main reason I went for Spore Shroom was because my route initially included getting Shape of Unn and Spore Shroom for a full heal build for THK, but I got chased out of RG too fast to get Shape of Unn from Seer. After RG, I tried to sneak Spore Shroom, got spooked by the fact that hunters were waiting outside the trial and ran off. In hindsight, I'm not sure I would have been able to get off any heals during the THK fight though even with the build, given the sheer amount of chaos. But it does make a lot of sense for the grubs, that's true. It's crazy to me that rando players can read the spoiler log for just 5-10 minutes and then immediately race. I know it's a matter of experience and knowing what to look for, but it's really impressive that y'all are able to do that.
@Blomsom
5 күн бұрын
@@fireb0rn oh interesting, that wasn't on my radar at all. case in point about us focusing more on progression than upgrades and damage lol. in our minds you'd only go out of your way for something if it's getting you progression or more grubs, since from a racing perspective it's timeloss otherwise. but here the main objective isn't to be faster than us at finishing the seed, it's just to not die in the process, so the spore shroom shape of unn synergy ends up pretty useful. you absolutely played the mind games with us lol, same thing with the shade cloak pickup, i wasted a ton of time trying to figure out not if, but when you were going to make an abyss trip for the grubs there, and then you never even stepped foot in basin. you baited me so hard so many times hehe well played!!! (also yeah the second part is mostly an elaboration on "why are people using spoiler logs???" and part of the answer is that we're just building off of something that already exists in the racing scene, and the people playing could make reads off of it because we already knew the meta lol. it's absolutely just a thing that comes with hundreds of hours of experience)
@drizztdrizzt3704
23 сағат бұрын
Fireb0rn can think in 8K... change my mind
@hazepski8592
22 сағат бұрын
It was super fun to watch :D Unique idea, spices up the routing, and would totally watch another!
@BlueSR
21 сағат бұрын
i think setting the route basics up in the beginning was really smart because it made such a tumultuous and different routing way more able to be followed by us viewers... also wow did pye do a good job of visualizing the route and so on at the start!!
@agent_mist
20 сағат бұрын
yo its blue hi
@honkman29
20 сағат бұрын
Yess i loved the visulas at the start omg
@TheWaterySideoftheMoon
20 сағат бұрын
The king of randos himself?! Man that's totally fire. (Yes, pun intended)
@fireb0rn
20 сағат бұрын
thank you Blue!
@kelly4187
20 сағат бұрын
Indeed, but then it isn't really "randomised" as far as the player is concerned. Perhaps this genre of run, where the hunter has had advance look of locations to plan, needs to be given it's own name, and I cast my vote for "re-seeded" run.
@Bonterbo
22 сағат бұрын
Fireborn: Im just gonna take a little detour. The hunters: Oh god, where is he? hes gatekeeping lifelines
@Nist0923
13 сағат бұрын
Fire: *just getting a little sidetracked* Hunters: “he must be 4 parallel universes ahead of us”
@pantheong1455
23 сағат бұрын
We NEED Skurry on the next one of these fr
@xrepxzRL
22 сағат бұрын
skurry on this would be hype
@solsoups
22 сағат бұрын
you have my vote!
@memesquad9005
22 сағат бұрын
Fr Skurry is needed
@endernightblade1958
22 сағат бұрын
skurry + grass
@sanga1380
21 сағат бұрын
Slurry not being apart of this is a missed opportunity
@PyeFive
10 күн бұрын
Thanks for inviting me to the first ever SvH rando (and for letting me edit it)! It was a really fun time, and I expect that many parts of it will evolve and become more balanced over time. And shoutouts to Blossom for planning the potential routes so thoroughly! I will always remember the 10-page planning doc lmao
@fireb0rn
9 күн бұрын
thank you for playing and for editing pye! the 10 page doc was amazing
@IliaMSantiago
20 сағат бұрын
@fireb0rn do u play on controller?
@Frostborne2778
18 сағат бұрын
@@IliaMSantiago I believe he does, yes. Controller just feels better for games like this.
@mgmed0368
17 сағат бұрын
Hi how’s it grubbin😜 you did a good job 👍
@Raptor747
16 сағат бұрын
The one part that feels unreasonably unbalanced is the THK fight, where all hunters know exactly where you have to be and can prevent you from healing or just properly fighting the boss. 5v1 is hard enough; trying to kill a boss in the middle of that is absurd unless you get a huge list of upgrades first, which can drag out a match and introduce more problems. Maybe have the end goal of the match not be a singular objective, but something cumulative, like getting X Grubs or enough Essence?
@fireb0rn
16 сағат бұрын
Yeah, agreed that's part of why bingo might be more interesting versus 5. Doesn't work too well for the any% ending.
@Netsuki
Сағат бұрын
Agreed. Thought about the same thing. Technically Hunters can just ignore fire for 100% of the run and wait for him at Black Egg Temple. They have very low chance to kill him outside, but that chance drastically raises if they know he's heading here. If it was 3-4 people, it wouldn't be that bad. But with 5 hunters at the same place AND The Hollow Knight. Fire can't heal there practically and they can just keep spamming slashes.
@TheMathGeek_314
2 күн бұрын
For my first time joining SvH, it went about as well as expected. I'm pretty sure I made zero contribution for the first half, but it was a blast anyway. Thanks for having me! And we'll let chat decide who ACTUALLY got the kill 😉
@fireb0rn
2 күн бұрын
you did well for your first time! gg math, thank you for playing!
@fireb0rn
2 күн бұрын
you did well for your first time! gg math, thank you for playing!
@honkman29
20 сағат бұрын
I looked at the reply andit looked like you swung fire first but idk
@whoischicago1851
10 сағат бұрын
you hit fire first 100%
@TheArtsome
23 сағат бұрын
Evading the hunters by doing the colloseum was not a strat I would have guessed, rofl. Poor hunters.
@IsisOsirisHorus
18 сағат бұрын
I’m loving the frequency of these speed runner vs hunter videos. And I especially love that your trying different formats.
@Veemycobblestone
19 сағат бұрын
I think I’ve said this before but I love seeing BlueQuills’ thumbnails on these videos, it’s always a joy to see an artist I like working with a youtuber I also like lol
@bluequills
14 сағат бұрын
VEEMY you're so sweet thank you omg
@oatmille
10 күн бұрын
This was so much fun and I feel like the video captures the chaos really well!
@fireb0rn
9 күн бұрын
thanks for playing oat! was a lot of fun indeed
@Rayneworld
22 сағат бұрын
6:40 that's the most insane transition timing I've ever seen in these vids omfg
@PhantasticalPhiasco
23 сағат бұрын
Good job hunters! I love the planning that went into the document. Terrifying but awesome.
@Shooshpa-z2e
22 сағат бұрын
Honestly, these videos are the only reason I’m a little happy that silksong isn’t out yet. Limitation forces creativity.
@MatthewMorris6148
22 сағат бұрын
True, but now imagine this with Silksong. Edit: imagine, not image.
@AdranRaven
20 сағат бұрын
@MatthewMorris6148 aaand now I’m sad again
@-Nightingale
15 сағат бұрын
@@MatthewMorris6148 The problem with that is we probably won't get a Speedrunner vs Hunters until ages after Silksong releases.
@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070
15 сағат бұрын
@@-NightingaleNah I doubt it. Fire will probably make one in the first month just for hype value
@-Nightingale
14 сағат бұрын
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 I don't think so. He may want to focus on speedrunning, maybe get a few early world records while the iron is hot. Or he might want to just learn the games ins and outs before anything. But most importantly, go to the description and read the mod list. Bare minimum he has to wait for the multiplayer mod, but he'll probably want a few QOL mods as well.
@Spiney09
20 сағат бұрын
I’m so scared what these will be in a year if Silksong doesn’t come out. “Hollow Knight speedrunner vs 5 hunters 112% randomizer steel soul!”
@alicetheaxolotl
19 сағат бұрын
I mean, these are already basically steel soul. Steel Soul only hurts Hunters.
@Spiney09
19 сағат бұрын
@@alicetheaxolotl it was just there to add more clickbait value to that title
@thewolfofthestars1847
16 сағат бұрын
Low% TE SvH lmao
@reconfrostbird
14 сағат бұрын
19:05 Project Moon music detected: Activating Project Moon sleeper agents
@bestaround3323
9 сағат бұрын
Just a grade 9 fixer
@hmmmooops
3 сағат бұрын
(I am distorting as we speak)
@twilighttricksterXXI
Сағат бұрын
Furioso intensifies
@realkarma-m2o
21 сағат бұрын
fire: *buys geo for less than what he's getting for a profit.* me and sly: Wait, that's illegal.
@adericgagne58
19 сағат бұрын
Getting more geo for the cost of 1 is common in randos
@blastlightstar
17 сағат бұрын
that's what we in the business call a FIRE SALE
@privatesectorsec
21 сағат бұрын
I honestly never thought I’d here ultrakill music in a fireborn video
@Green_The_Gamer
17 сағат бұрын
wait where? I gotta see this
@scullduggerouscellaphod2355
15 сағат бұрын
@@Green_The_Gamer right before the fight outside thk, duel started playing
@Green_The_Gamer
8 сағат бұрын
@@scullduggerouscellaphod2355 ok thank you!
@crittersomething
23 сағат бұрын
Me when I’m a bug and I’m in a nest that’s hollow while other bugs are trying to stop me from killing a big hollow bug that has god inside them
@blastlightstar
17 сағат бұрын
the nest is hallow :3
@tupiaraykegaya7053
2 сағат бұрын
Me when the basin is ancient and theres a vessel which appears to be broken
@MalkonDova
19 сағат бұрын
38:56 Pye/Trent you are so so smart for adding Versus v2 here -- it fits the chaos so well 😭
@PyeFive
19 сағат бұрын
thank you malk my friend :]
@user-core_v0id
16 сағат бұрын
This'll get lost in the coment abyss, but I loved the video. Really small thing that I really liked was the use of the song "Duel" during the Black Egg sequence. It just made me happy to hear that songs from that game are making it into big name channels.
@bluequills
23 сағат бұрын
YOOO ANOTHER BANGER VIDEO the thumbnail for this was insanely fun to draw, grubs my beloved
@fireb0rn
22 сағат бұрын
Thanks for your amazing work quills!!
@kilikx1x
13 сағат бұрын
You had some really clean movement at 19:18 considering that you had not one, but two players actively attacking you.
@prdus
6 сағат бұрын
0:29 I was ready to spam fast-forward xd
@CH-wn4le
18 сағат бұрын
Hey Fire! Just wanted to let you know that the mod list for the Hunt still says that no one can use stags :) Might confuse a new watcher, so I thought I should post something about it. Have a good day!
@fireb0rn
18 сағат бұрын
Thanks!
@kackers
19 сағат бұрын
"there's a grub at QS right?" *fire purchases that exact grub*
@gundulfthegruy782
9 сағат бұрын
the visual aid at the beginning explaining possible routes was really helpful! and holy shit the blossom google doc at the end, really cool to see how much planning went into this :D i really enjoyed this version with the randomizer but locations already known
@TheGladHatter-di6iw
8 сағат бұрын
Idea: speedrunner vs hunters but I have voicelines, basically you would get each hunter to record one voiceline each of your choosing (for example: you get someone to say: "That's me!") Then when you're running away you could play those voicelines using a soundboard or something to confuse them
@sajanramanathan
22 сағат бұрын
This was so great! I think the spoiler log was a good idea, when I saw the title I was thinking that it couldn’t possibly be balanced but with both teams knowing the route it was pretty close! I wonder if maybe limiting the number of hunters that are allowed in the black egg at once would help the endgame, because I think you do need more hunters for the over world given the number of possible routes.
@I_Quarter_
8 сағат бұрын
I say more hunters in the world total but with some restrictions eg(total of 7 hunters but only 3 can be in the same area (greenpath etc) at the same time) and black egg would a tag team system. New hunters can enter every minute but only if there are less than 3 hunters already there
@coolestbbk4908
22 сағат бұрын
Next will be a room randomiser 112% completion vs 20 hunters with superpowers
@xrepxzRL
22 сағат бұрын
“How would he do that?” “Idk hes fire”
@Silas_MN
20 сағат бұрын
@@xrepxzRL every group of hunters during every video lol
@xrepxzRL
17 сағат бұрын
@@Silas_MN reall
@nvcbl
17 сағат бұрын
and with kaizo mod as well
@TheSkribeOfSirkles
16 сағат бұрын
Grub #20. The real mvp. knocking you outta dash from your first approach. The grub's revenge!
@kindergartist
18 сағат бұрын
The planning that went into this run🤯!!!! Kudos to all the players, I was v impressed by the progression/ map knowledge of the hunters! I did notice that it was quite difficult to shake the Hunters at Black Egg-- even with so many abilities-- probably due to the accident mask, so I totally understand what Fire explained in the comments 🤔 Either way, amazing to watch! I love not knowing how its going to end 🙏🏾
@fireb0rn
18 сағат бұрын
Thank you kinder! Glad you enjoyed it despite the awkward ending, haha.
@kindergartist
17 сағат бұрын
@@fireb0rn I don't even think the ending was awkward or anything, as a viewer, I loved the ending! 🫣 But reflecting on the player aspect, Im sure it was quite challenging to fight 5v1, 6 masks to 25? + possibility of HK dmg? Lol, that's tuff. You did your thing as always ✨
@nahlies2382
15 сағат бұрын
That 1 extra health did them a LOT of favors lol
@acoolnameemm
8 сағат бұрын
I definitely enjoyed this one more than the power ones. Likely mainly because of the new route. I can see the problem with finding a seed, benchwarp, stags, and those things, but also having a randomizer going into the Abyss or the Kingdom's Edge would be fun to see since those areas are basically never visited in SVH. Would be nice if it was possible to hand-place items. I do see the appeal of having it not be completely randomized, but this video was a lot of fun to watch!
@Cap_master29
22 сағат бұрын
36:36 “Well I lost The Game.”
@HollowNai5412
22 сағат бұрын
I lost the game too :(
@Cap_master29
22 сағат бұрын
@@HollowNai5412 We all lost The Game.
@danslamaindudragon40000
21 сағат бұрын
OH COME ON I lost the game. my friends never stop about it but I clearly didn't see that one coming
@Cap_master29
21 сағат бұрын
@@danslamaindudragon40000 lol
@Lilfiredude
7 сағат бұрын
Bro, I can't escape it. My mind likes to make connections between things, so every time I lose, I associate the game with whatever I was thinking about. It's exponential. Now every time I watch a SvH video, I'm gonna lose. Make it stop 😭
@IkerTG
22 сағат бұрын
2:40 Temmie shop be like:
@kamakiller
23 сағат бұрын
Blossom's rando planning scares me they murder me in rando races
@Blomsom
23 сағат бұрын
:3
@PyeFive
23 сағат бұрын
Thank god we had them on the team, cuz I would’ve had no idea what I was doing otherwise LMAO
@Nick-mp1zh
18 сағат бұрын
6:20 man, Shelby is always really on the ball whenever Fire tries to hide
@AdamTurgut-h7h
22 сағат бұрын
i love the new idea, it takes way more strategizing which makes it a much more fascinating experience. havent finished watching yet, so im exited to see the result!!
@lemoncikl7559
23 сағат бұрын
Kether Battle 3 fits this video so well, banger
@subaru5332
21 сағат бұрын
God summoning 2,718,281 unnamed project moon fans to comment “Project Moon mentioned!”
@shadowdfa6151
22 сағат бұрын
Came back to hk like 2 days ago and i was so lucky to remember this channel. I used to love watching these speedrunner vs hunters videos and im so glad you still do them man 🫡
@David111IsHere
22 сағат бұрын
38:54 pretty good song choice if I dont say so myself ;)
@divineshadow6159
22 сағат бұрын
Ultrakill mentionned???
@2admie
22 сағат бұрын
Finally, grubs got their revenge against fire.
@kelly4187
19 сағат бұрын
My favourite bit was when the hunters just gave up and went "hit him till he dies"
@fish191
21 сағат бұрын
holy shit the "duel" in 38:54 fits so well
@xrepxzRL
23 сағат бұрын
Me: just had a really bad football game got blown out really pissed Also me: OMG FIRE POSTED LETS GO edit: this was fun to watch! ❤
@NooN_Animations
4 сағат бұрын
Really liked this version of SvH ! I love playing HK randomizer runs so that was perfect. Having you explaining your route at the start of the video really helped following the video, also using the spoiler logs to plan the route makes perfect sense, I find it really interesting ^^ Maybe doing a speedrun race on randomized seeds with spoiler logs could be interesting ? Maybe with limited prep time to see how every runner plans out their route and to see some mistakes ? Idk if that's possible but I'd love to see something similar. Anyway, can't wait to see your next video 😄
@TheDefB
20 сағат бұрын
Having binged all the SvH's just now, this was a very pleasant surprise to see! It's without a doubt the best one so far and I hope you do more randomizer SvH's!
@PlumOrganization
3 сағат бұрын
11:47 The inventory drop to heal on the mushroom is so hype
@aitene
22 сағат бұрын
Imagine a room randomizer Speedrunner vs. Hunters. Would be hell 😂
@randomcatmeow1394
8 сағат бұрын
Absolutely love to see you trying new things with each run, this randomizer was so exciting to watch because of all the additional movements like monarch wings for the pvp. Keep it up :D Your videos are amazing
@CaedmonSzobody
9 сағат бұрын
I enjoyed this one a lot! I can see the rando aspect lending itself really well to SVH by keeping things fresh and different each run-which helps with the problem you mentioned in a previous SVH video that it was starting to feel like each run was becoming the same. I for one wouldn't mind seeing runs with more complex seeds, where viewers who were interested in strategy could read a summary of the seed in the description while the rest could just enjoy the show. Either way, great video, and I hope you revisit this particular flavor of SVH some time!
@notcreativenoughtothinkofa5247
17 сағат бұрын
38:54 the way my neurons just activated upon hearing ultrakill music
@TaurusVersant
19 сағат бұрын
I am endlessly impressed by just how damn fast Fire can motor when he's gotta go, man zip zooms on outta there
@MrGHLFinny157
19 сағат бұрын
Ngl this was very cool video idea, the fact that it’s randomized and everyone knows where everything is even though it’s randomized is what makes it good (I know that’s the whole point lmao) but I’d love to see more of this :D
@tempest3052
Сағат бұрын
38:53 Gotta love the use of the ULTRAKILL soundtrack.
@JacobWalsh-q9r
14 сағат бұрын
25:09 Watching Pale Lurker turn into a grub was freaky.
@valhunter97
14 сағат бұрын
What if there is a spoiler log, but it''s revealed only at the start of the game, rather than in advance? This would make a route a bit more chaotic and improvised, rather than almost fully planned. Probably won't be a big enough difference to the concept to try again, but who knows?
@ShyGuy1347
3 сағат бұрын
I love that the cuts still happen at vanilla grub locations, I don't know how long that's been going on, but it's hilarious
@wypeout8266
14 сағат бұрын
watching the dark room with and without lantern simultaneously is so crazy to me. I would take months to learn where to jump, dash and land.
@THEMoredros
16 сағат бұрын
I found this very fresh and entertaining. All kinds of rooms that normally don't get traversed became paths to cross between the randomized objectives. It's entertaining to see new movement/rooms/strats (early Monarch Wings definitely added to this a lot as well). The planning required for the spoiler log routing definitely sounds like a heavy tax on this game-mode. I would be interested in watching a SvH rando run where we only (or mostly) see your perspective and which we either hear your live voice, or a voiceover you make after. Because the route is so wildly different, your perspective is interesting again (Whereas your perspective in normal SvH is obviously repetitive since the route stays similar).
@SuperJupiter243
20 сағат бұрын
Skurry next as a hunter? This was a fire video (no pun intended) and I hope to see a sequel!
@celerrime4725
12 сағат бұрын
This was amazing! I would love to see another rando vesselhunt. Though, five hunters in THK is so hard! It could be better with a timer ruleset? Like how in past vesselhunts, you killed 1-2 hunters for every death for you, then kind of wore them down enough to get a clear shot at the hollow knight. That might give you better chances without needing an absurd amount of upgrades. Still, you've probably thought of this! Really the grub rando of our hearts, though. Shoutout to black egg grub. Really the mvp.
@Tyler.8046
12 сағат бұрын
First of all, this was a really exciting twist on SVH and I loved the new pathing it involved, although I can imagine more complicated seeds would be... too much? A path similar in complexity to the standard HK path is all that SVH really needs to be interesting, you can only watch so many fights over Uumuu and Watch Knights before it gets a little repetitive. Also seeing Colo make an appearance was really exciting. Definitely a breath of fresh air on the concept, and can't wait for the next one! I really think it would have been possible without that extra mask for the Hunters. There was quite a few times I heard the Hunters say "I have one mask, imma go heal" after the Shade Soul upgrade which meant they were playing more aggressive because they had it. Also, it felt like they had too much health in the start where chases kinda extended a VERY long time, I'm not sure if it was because you picked up your first movement upgrade early that they started with more masks, but it felt like they had 4 or 5 HP in every chase. With 5 hunters, that means you may have to go through 20+ masks before you lost them, meaning losing the hunters was more on them making mistakes than you playing well (Essentially, PvP was out of the question). I feel like when you're running with 5+ Hunters, they need to have their health nerfed to open up options, otherwise every chase boils down to your out maneuvering them. Also, the "No Lifelines till 2 Movement Upgrades" doesn't feel like it fits in randomizer, since important upgrades can be in a pretty wide area, and very infrequently be stuck behind chokepoints, i.e. Hornet, Gruz Mother, Watch Knights, False Knight, etc. which kinda showed in this randomizer. You were able to go ~50% of it without picking up a second movement upgrade, and they got really lucky they found you at all in City with you picking up Monarch Wings essentially before the chase even began. Maybe having some form of reduced Lifeline at the start (i.e. Something that tells them the zone you're in) would be a nice compromise, rather than a precise location. The Map is super broken, to the point where it can completely invalidate your plans (i.e. Spore Shroom) if they check it at the right moment which meant that colo ended up being an unnecessary risk.
@Name-oh6gb
4 сағат бұрын
Great as always! Love how creative this idea forced the players to be. Would love to see similar ideas in future- meme categories perhaps?
@leovelez
17 сағат бұрын
Honestly, one of the best hunter videos you've done, i really like the rando idea, it feels fresh and more chaotic.
@mys3cretskill
10 күн бұрын
I told you I would kill you and I did! >:) this was SO MUCH FUN and so stressful. I forgot how much I kept finding you LOOLLLL Seeing on your end how the grub stopped you at black egg was hilarious.
@fireb0rn
9 күн бұрын
lmao yeah you found me so many times! gg shelby
@henryst-1
17 сағат бұрын
amazing video as always fire. absolutely loved it :D
@micahwest3566
14 сағат бұрын
Dang Shelby is so wise to Fire’s tricks at this point. She’s super canny
@Seadrake
13 сағат бұрын
While not a "true rando" is the sense, this was entertaining and a nice change from the regular route. The little intro with the intended route made it easier to follow the video and understand/realize when you had to deviate from it. Hope you'll revisit the format, but if you don't it was still fun to watch this experiment on the series.
@redssb9608
23 сағат бұрын
This route is truly the work of a genius, go fireborn!
@mikahraulnor5778
18 сағат бұрын
I never imagines I would se Collo in this series. I love how the randomizer worked in the series, and I think keeping the random positions known helps with that greatly!
@Evaqou
13 сағат бұрын
I've been addicted to playing randos lately so this comes at a perfect time. I really like this concept, but agree 5 hunters was a lot. I think the more hunters can track the players progression the less hunters there needs to be, otherwise it just ends up being a 1v4/1v5 etc. at the end because the only place left to wait as a hunter is THK. I think these play out best when the hunters aren't sure how many dreamers are collected, and are forced to split, but obviously that can't / doesn't happen the majority of the time. As always this was great to watch, super cool to see this concept played out! Also thought Blossom and Oatmille were great additions to the hunter team! The doc was super interesting and I liked hearing their strats throughout :)
@greenslayer6
22 сағат бұрын
First off, love this new wrinkle in the Speed Runner vs hunters series. Biggest and best thing I felt about watching this run was wings! It never shows up in the normal any% route, and your comments in the True Ending run being untenable for this series are well taken. They added a very nice wrinkle to the normal PvP combat and escaping with that extra nuance to player movement. It really highlighted the maneuverability and skill of all players involved. I'm curious about the rando seed, did you vet through seed options before deciding that this was a solid one for both sides to have a fair shake/not take forever? As for the spoiler log aspect, I think that's absolutely the correct choice rather than everyone going into a blind rando and just roaming at random. Setting traps and having the predictions for how the Speed Runner will route vs trying to alternate around and confuse them is a very important part of the series. Now negatives. As you've already mentioned, THK fight was everything but impossible. Maybe with a lot of powerup roaming which makes for a less fun experience for the players, editor, and viewers. Spore Shroom/DD spam shouldn't be a requirement for the SR to win. I think it was perfectly good to have them with 5 hunters for the general world roaming, and only .01% of the run is ruined with THK. One thing I think might be done here is reducing the Hunters Masks to a set amount once the Speedrunner has all the Dreamers, and maybe allowing instant respawn as a sort of balance. Just spitballing. Otherwise, love the run and this series. GG.
@qwertyazerty6563
12 сағат бұрын
Bro the parries 42:25
@mahdy_b550
22 сағат бұрын
This was a great video. Fun all the way except the end. Hunters stacking is never fun to watch.
@2admie
22 сағат бұрын
Please do more randos. Watching you fight unconventional bosses like Mantis Lords from time to time is an absolute delight ❤
@MapleshadeDefender
8 сағат бұрын
Absolutely lost it when he tried reverse Baldur :D
@keonmerrill1941
2 сағат бұрын
IDK if i said this before, but you gotta just do godhome without telling them. it'd be the BEST round ever conceived. Also maybe an enemy rando might work better.
@PondsTheking
23 сағат бұрын
This man needs Silksong, please team cherry
@TaurusVersant
9 сағат бұрын
thinking about it more after the fact, I agree that five people had meaning because your movements were a lot wilder and more chaotic, meaning more areas needed to be watched, but when it was focused combat it was a worse time. Maybe there'd be more value in certain people being forced into a "scout" role, kinda like the noclip superpower but maybe not as strong, so they can look for you and guard but not attack? That way people could be deployed to watch for you but only a select few could actually engage.
@Senorgato029
16 сағат бұрын
I like this format, only so many wierd plays and detours one can take on any% route, adds some variance and I hope to see more in the future :)
@hugodoat2895
12 сағат бұрын
Personally, This is my favorite video ! I think it will be amazing to redo a randomiser with spoilers even if the seed is more complicated. you can also show a bit more about the planification process. for me the only negative point was the fact that it was impossible to win with 5 hunters. With 4 it would be much better or they still 5 but have a nerf in general (less damage or less masks…)
@Meowbertdakat
22 сағат бұрын
Skurry could’ve absolutely cooked here
@Blomsom
10 күн бұрын
thanks for the rando yippee!!!!!
@fireb0rn
9 күн бұрын
thank you for playing blossom!
@Eisog
22 сағат бұрын
omg blom! how's it grubbin'?
@Blomsom
22 сағат бұрын
@@Eisog hisog eisog!!! grubbin good 🐛
@LeFonkeMonke
21 сағат бұрын
Grub
@dropfish3109
20 сағат бұрын
YIPPEEEEE :D
@youseftheh4869
3 сағат бұрын
i think after reading your pinned comment, you COULD try and make the route less randomized by... just having some things consistant, such as the dreamers, big thing i know but in this seed you had a dreamer at the literal king pass, not being random might still have the route interesting, this way the hunters have at least some kind of consistant area to get to if they're lost on where to go, but also have all other collectables, charms, etc randomized so the route is different, the destination is the same. you're right about 5 hunters, too much, if 1 gets a hit in before you get to heal it's over + they can corner you in a lot more areas, you got insanely lucky with that transition where you went out as the hunter went in.
@LS-jj4sy
13 сағат бұрын
I keep hearing Pye talk and thinking it's Fire saying something
@ondrajankuj156
11 сағат бұрын
5 hunters with 6 masks was just too much.
@ornstein714
18 сағат бұрын
This was so interesting and fresh, i lived the new focus around howling cliffs, which is rarely visited much less guarded Anyway get skurry in they'd cook in a rando
@Traveller281
9 сағат бұрын
Randomized!! 😁 Ah, this is great variety. ♡ I love Hollow Knight randomizers and add to that this other mainstay of my HK enjoyment in SvH and it's even more delicious. Thank you for doing this! Also, Fire being locked behind saving grubs as a victory condition? Iconic 👌
@St33ldancer
13 сағат бұрын
Wow, im always super impressed at how good you are at movement. So many times they were on top of you but you basically have rhe movement down perfectly. Really impressive stuff
@tahunuva4254
17 сағат бұрын
That triple parry before the final hit 👌
@Rayneworld
21 сағат бұрын
I was waiting for a rando SvH! I have 500hr on HK and it's all rando besides my first 112% playthrough. Random notes as I go: -I miss the timer! I like seeing how long has passed between things -I love at 28:41 that Fire IMMEDIATELY abandoned the Petra arena bc of the loss last time lmao -Shelby did a good job finding Fire a lot! Nice job! -Damn I didn't think the hunters would win tbh! Great job all!
@hypergaming1608
14 сағат бұрын
Imagine hollow knight, but instead of the radiance the final boss is fireb0rn with like 15 masks
@leaf8920
6 сағат бұрын
Fireborb: gets 3 dreamers, kills HK, AR, NKG, GPZ, radiant gruzz mother. Hunters: "nah, it was probably just infection dripping"
@hollowknightfan1991
4 сағат бұрын
I absolutely love this kind of videos. They are so fun to watch
@falstarin3342
18 сағат бұрын
Insane thumbnail RAHH!!
@Drawoon
21 сағат бұрын
I've been wanting to see something like this for a while. Thanks for making this :)
@tyinyk
14 сағат бұрын
Very fun seeing everyone have wings basically immediately. It makes the exchanges fun.
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