Btw, I just looked up the shop manual online - you can download it for free. It confirms what you say - the parallel ports connect directly to the live and neutral wires. You are brilliant!
@aquatrax123
11 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to try this! The reason why its correct to use a 30 amp breaker is because the wire is rated at 30 amps. Even though the generator output is under 30 amps, if for some reason there was a short, the breaker protects the wire from catching fire and not the generator. The generator has its own protection against overloading and will turn off its output if it was overloaded.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
Yes you can. These little banana plugs connect directly to the regular plugs internally. I would try a couple plugs and try to find a really tight fitting one and use those for your setup.
@passattdise
11 жыл бұрын
Also, keep in mind, that the Honda Cables are of such a gauge wire that you can parallel 2 EU3000i generators also, for 6000 watts peak. if you pair a set of EU2000i , you should understand they are designed to run 1600 watts continously, 2000 watts peak, for only up to 30 minutes. So a set of Eu2000i's will give 3200 watts continuous running. The factory Honda cables will flow a heck of a lot of amps.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
Continued: But you are supposed to have both machines plugged together before you start either generator. If you go to the US site: honda power equipment . com you can view the US version of the owners manual and it talks a little about it. The banana plugs just make it as safe as possible.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Yeah, let me know if you do it and how it goes. The price on the banana plugs went up so I do suggest just splitting the basic Honda parallel cables.
@kurtamiss
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for answering my questions! I have some more inquiries for you if you’re game? Awhile back I made the parallel cable box with the 30 amp push button breaker for two 2000i generators. The feed from that box was a female twist lock NEMA L14-30R 125/250v. The female twist locked into my panel power inlet male NEMA L14-30 125/250v- 4 prongs. Knowing that I would only energize one bus with 120volts, I bridged L1 and L2 to get 125 volts on both buses. I did this in order to avoid moving breakers around to one bus. It worked great. As you know one generator was stolen and I opted to upgrade and still parallel. Now I have two 3500 inverter generators that I found can use the Honda parallel cables to sync. In our last communication you said to change out the existing 30amp to a 50 amp push button breaker in the existing box. Q- I think I should change out the 30 amp cable and plug on the box to a 50 amp 125/250v #6-4 conductor cable with a 50 amp female twist lock? Q- If I am right my power inlet would be a twist lock male of the same pin and cable configuration going from there into my panel? Q- in the panel the existing generator lock separates a double pole 30 amp breaker. I imagine I should change that to a double pole 50 amp breaker and wire the new cable into it? Q- Last one. If this all sounds sound, would I have energize both buses or should I bridge L1 and L2 to do so?
@tydied2077
3 жыл бұрын
You should just hire an electrician and go fuddle with something made out of wood
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Definitely. The air intake is off the ground an inch or two but you still wouldn't want leaves and stuff to clog it up.
@stevemize8116
11 жыл бұрын
you said it didn't matter which way you hook up the purchased parallel cables. I listened to, hooked them up. like you said and it toasted my EU1000. IT DOES MATTER HOW YOU HOOK THEM UP! Thanks alot doude!
@DAS-Videos
12 жыл бұрын
I am revisiting this video. We had very long power outages with hurricane sandy. I have a yamaha generator that produces 2000 watts, not enough to run the well pump. But this generator, like yours, is a gas sipper (12 hours per gallon) with the idle up technology, and is so light that I like the idea of attaching two together for 4000 peak watts. I am pretty sure that would run the well pump. Yamaha sells the cable for about 90 dollars.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Yeah its a mid 90's Coleman 13500 BTU. Running with fan on high is 13.6Amps total. Startup on my gauge is around 16amps(1920 watts). If they are on eco mode they take 2-4 seconds after being bogged down to produce enough current to start the AC. Eco mode is really hard on your AC and Gennys.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
There is special circuitry that Honda has put into these generators to be able to do this. A standard generator would never sync the frequencies quit right. Thanks for watching.
@WCTarheel
9 жыл бұрын
Good video, but I'd drop the background music. It makes it difficult to follow your commentary.
@andrewmoore7847
4 жыл бұрын
Quite Riot
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Very neat. Never heard of anyone paralleling a non Honda with a Honda.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
You are correct. 220-240 V gennys have 2 110-120 V circuits tied together.
@Hiker63
4 жыл бұрын
“I took them apart at the store.” 😂. So you’re the guy who’s opening the sealed boxes and messing with the merchandise! 😂. Great video. My next project.
@sixtyfiveford
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
@gregbiles7120
8 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this. Not only the hardware to do it, but the video editing to boot!
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
In my motorhome the only reason I pair these is to run the AC. I have a Deep cycle battery and a small inverter to run TV's and other smaller devices but I need to buy a bigger inverter for the microwave. Those eu1000 are really nice and light units.
@123decoeli
12 жыл бұрын
Thanks - you have saved me a huge trip - minimum three days and over the price of a new genset! I will buy the Canadian units, have a warranty, and build some kind of parallel system similar to what you have. I appreciate that you have taken the trouble to look into this so well, and to put up a video of how you built your kit. It is well thought out and easy to follow. All the best!
@sixtyfiveford
8 жыл бұрын
I have a few links to various parts in the video description along with a brand new parallel kit that will give you full capacity out of your generators for barely more than I built this one for.
@larryleflay4117
8 жыл бұрын
+sixtyfiveford i have a harbor freight predator 4000 have been trying to parallel it so i can get the full 26 amps out of it do you have any suggestions thanks for any help you can give
@sixtyfiveford
8 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but you can not get 26 amps at 120volts from one source as the two circuits are out of phase. They do this so you can get 220/240 volt output.
@larryleflay4117
8 жыл бұрын
+sixtyfiveford ok thanks there is a guy on here saying you have 2 coils and that you can rewire the generator to pot the coils in phase not sure what he is doing thanking about putting a step down converter on it so i pull from both coils to keep the load even
@theanvil5288
7 жыл бұрын
Try HF $50...works also on Honda...m.harborfreight.com/rv-ready-parallel-kit-62564.html
@RobertL78
11 жыл бұрын
I see you had the generators on a clean spot. But just so that other people know, those generators air intake is on the bottom, so if you are going to run them on grass/dirt/shells/leaves, etc, then you need a them on a concrete pad or plywood to keep them clean on the inside.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
No. They are just a way of making a shielded connection. The banana plugs have a plastic sheath on them so if one end is plugged into one machine and the other end is not, you won't get electrocuted On the USA versions the wires from the banana plug connects directly to the Hot and Neutral on the outlet. So you could use a male plug to male plug to parallel them it is just a little dangerous. If one end gets unplugged it is live and can electrocute someone, so be careful.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
I just checked my old invoice and I actually bought them from Mouser . It doesn't matter what side they get plugged into so I just went all black. Shipping from them was under $5. Use item number 565-6729-0 or 565-6729-2. It should run you about $25 shipped.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
I took it apart to see. There are several people on google that show the standard plug method I describe. I wanted to see if it was that simple and it is. I just looked at Europe's 50hz 2000w models and they also allow parallel. Its only Canada and your electrical code with this size(the 1000 watt Canadian model is parallel capable).
@pops91710
10 жыл бұрын
I like this a lot. I have a Companion as a side-kick for my regular Honda so I don't need it, but my friend sure can use this info. Just a thought. Why solder and not wire nuts? I have never soldered 120v connections, only wire nutted them. Just to add some a tip, you could use a 120v/30a regular plug in a 4X4 j-box. That way you can do a one-stop shopping at Home Depot (unless they sell those adapter pigtails.
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
The reason I went with a pigtail vs a fixed outlet is flexibility of the adapter and weather resistance. Soldering is a permanent attachment of wire where corrosion from moisture wont affect it. Wire nuts are very poor in fixtures that move or used in outdoor environments.
@pops91710
10 жыл бұрын
sixtyfiveford Maybe it's because I live in California, but we have never soldered a/c connections, even in out parking lot light fixtures or roof mounted yard lights in our distribution center with 277v/460v fixtures. You make a good point, and I would add the wire nuts on those soldered wires then shrink-tube them. The flexible pig tail makes a lot of sense. I used your video for a friend who needed a guide for parallel matching his two EU2000i gensets. Thanks for your response! You made an excellent video.
@italwayshitsthefan
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. I bought 2 of the A-iPower SC2000i from Costco. The Yamaha made generators. I took them back twice. Getting them now I know that the parallel cables they come with melt or just ain't large enough gauge wire to hold up when running the AC on our camper. I wont use the factory cables this time. I was looking around on KZitem and found you. I'll look for the link for the banana plugs/connectors and make my own out of 10 gauge wire. I think that will do the trick and make a box like you did. Thanks!
@sixtyfiveford
5 жыл бұрын
Pretty much any banana plugs work, however the ones I used have shrouds on them so you can't physically touch them with your finger. This is what the oem manufacturers use so if the cables are only plugged into one running unit you can't shock yourself. They were not easy or cheap to find. Since I did the video a lot of cheaper solutions have come out and most people go the route of something like this amzn.to/31RIrqp
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
IF you're talking about hooking it into you house, you can put and adapter on. You should have TWO-110v-120v lines coming into your breaker box. So half the house stuff is on one and the other is on the other half and when tied together you get 220v-240v. So if you made an adapter only half the items in you breaker box would have power. You could tie the two strips together in the adapter and supply power to both sides but I am not sure what your 220v appliances would do if powered on?.... cont.
@barneycalhoun3903
7 жыл бұрын
Your the man! We are in the Virgin Islands and after two hurricanes this information is gold! Thank you thank you
@sixtyfiveford
7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it was helpful.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks. They usually want an additional $200 for the companion model and you still have to buy the $40 parallel cables.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Yes you can easily do that. It is just dangerous because if one comes unplugged it is live with the male terminals exposed. I know that Canada electrical code has the twinning banned, so the use of 2 male plugs is the only way. The way that they are wired internally is: the banana plug wires go directly to the 120v outlet. Nothing fancy.
@sariharis
10 жыл бұрын
well done , smart and to the point , Unfortunately i already bought that kit from Honda to hock up my 2 generators to my RV and it is on its way... My question to you sir is that , i am in an area where we do not have the Propane gas ... would this dual hock up of both 2000 watts generators be enough to operate my whole RV (New Dutchman kodiak 20feet) including light ,air conditioner, Fridge, microwave and TV ... have a nice day
@michaels3972
6 жыл бұрын
Here is a very good document addressing your question: www.steadypower.com/pages.php?pageid=133
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
They could be permanently damaged if they are synced while running (according to Honda). They only sync when both wires are connected ( ground doesn't matter). Theoretically you could get a 240v out of 2 units but they would be out of sync could damage whatever you are running. Yes you could use a male - male cable and use the 20a breakesr in the unit.The only thing is that it is a safety concern if 1 plug comes unplugged as it will be live.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Very True. I'll put that in the notes above.
@alicebell5718
6 жыл бұрын
Why did you feel the need for music ??? I couldn't hear you very well, so I didn't waste my time.
@Real_Tim_S
6 жыл бұрын
You could do 240V, but you'd need an autotransformer... Basically it's a 240V transformer with a 120V center tap (which is your neutral), and no secondary. You will get the same power, but at 240V rather than 120V, you'll have about half the current available (240V@15A rather than 120V@30A). If you wanted the same amperage (30A) available at 240V, you'd need 4x generators in parallel. With an autotransformer, one of the concerns is to keep the phase splits balanced so you don't burn up the transformer - this would mean you'd run one generator on the low 120V tap, one generator on the low and one on the high tap, or two on the high and two on the low taps. Getting close to a full 240V@50A would mean you need 6x generators, three on the high tap three on the low tap.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
Let me know how you fair. The banana plugs are tricky to find. Especially the male shielded ones(if they're not shielded they are unsafe like the plugs). I would suggest buying the $40 parallel cables(I show at the beginning of the video) and cutting them apart to make your kit.
@123decoeli
12 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate, I will definately keep you posted as my little Canada-in-particular problem sorts itself out! People should check out your other videos too. You have some great ideas for maintaining things. I love keeping old stuff running.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they're not cheap. I originally got them from Digikey who has since upped their price. I think the best thing to do is to buy the Honda cables for $35 (ebay) and cut them.
@albertlewis
10 жыл бұрын
GREAT solution! Can you give me better shopping list and where to get these parts? PLEASE! I have the stock Honda cords and didnt know I was losing AMPS, ugh!
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
Honda has put special circuitry in these to be able to parallel these. If I connected these to a home's main power then I would definitely need a grid tie to prevent power going back into the main system and electrocuting the linesmen. But as long as I just plug individual appliances into this then no grid tie is needed. Thanks for watching.
@VladFredK
6 жыл бұрын
Instructions clearly says left to left, right to right for the parallel cables so it does mater which one u plug it in specially in your application. Even if the gen will figure it out when you cross the cables it will not figure out the output on your plug and you might be switching neutral with hot and don't even know it. Why don't you get voltage meter and check it out a little.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
One more reason to go with a Yamaha vs the Honda and their $200+ parallel kit. Yamaha appears to use the exact same banana plugs so this kit I built would work on either a Honda or a Yamaha.
@passattdise
11 жыл бұрын
yes, they do... green is ground, red goes and plugs in on the right, black goes in and plugs on the left, per the Honda Instructions. Red on the Honda Cable is Neutral, and goes to the white cable on the 30 amp plug, green goes to greens, and black goes from honda cable to the line side of the breaker, and the 30 amp female goes to the load side of the circuit. breaker. Both greens from the honda cables need to ground to the honda chassis on each unit, and on the 30 amp RV receptacle.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Did you cut the Honda parallel cable to get your safety banana plugs?
@JustinVodden
Жыл бұрын
"I took one apart at the store" you are my hero!
@alexl2635
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video. I just purchased on Amazon parallel cable I have a question if you can tell me Will it work if one generator is EU 2000i and a second one newer version EU 2200i ? Honda says they supposed to be identical
@sevcairo2k
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, I will get a second Eu2000I and build my own parallel cable just in time for Hurricane season!
@gordoneno1512
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. In the later part you show your installation in your trailer, using two honda generator, you showed the exhaust systems. Other then yours, I have not seen a video with much detail. You showed rigid tubing. What gauge and material, od or id for the tubing and what did you use for the interface adapter. What type of flex tubing is available? Thanks again for your responses.
@sixtyfiveford
9 жыл бұрын
+Gordon Eno Flexible tubing is hard to find but obtainable. I use electrical conduit from the Home Depot. I welded a 3/4" piece to the exhaust that protrudes maybe an inch. 1/2" conduit then easily slides into this at any length I need.
@briandernbach575
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick response. It is the same as the Honda, but 2200 starting watts and 1800 continuous. The outlets have a 15 amp rating and the parallel port hook up is at 20amps.
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
Brian Dernbach So you only have a thin cable connecting/paralleling them?
@briandernbach575
10 жыл бұрын
No, I built your exact setup, but instead of the plug end that you used, I used a standard 15amp female plug. My concern was that the plug being rated at 15amp would be a little dangerous? Also, been having a hell of a time finding the correct banana plugs? Thanks
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
OH... You built a death plug :-)... kidding. You'll be fine because you're only pulling half the load from each generator. Which is 15amps each.
@briandernbach575
10 жыл бұрын
Sorry for all the questions, but won't I be pulling the same (roughly) as your Hondas?
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
Each of your generators are rated at 18.3 amps max or 15amps constant. So if you plug into each one they will share the 30 amp load pulling 15amps from each. The Ryobis are Chinese copies of the Hondas and function virtually identically.
@sixtyfiveford
12 жыл бұрын
As far as the circuitry goes the female banana plugs on my generators connect directly to the hot and neutral on the outlets. The easier and cheaper version of this is to have a standard male plug inserted directly into a outlet on each machine and have those tied together with the larger outlet like I did. The only downfall to this is SAFETY. If only 1 male plug is plugged in and the other is not, the exposed metal ends are LIVE(generator running).
@warrenhenke4547
4 жыл бұрын
Great Video, thanks. I have a Honda 2000i. I want to add another but they aren't made anymore. Mine is not among that serial numbers that Honda says is compatible with the 2200i for higher voltage parallel operation. Their cable is made to use the 30 amp box on the 2200i (you won't get the combined voltage). Do you have any idea if this type of setup would work for me since I wouldn't be using the connection on the generator?
@passattdise
11 жыл бұрын
It would be a good idea to point out that if you use the Factory Honda cable kit to synch the generators, you still need to add another 12 ga ground (green wire) to the junction box, to the green wire on the female receptacle, as is done in your original 3 wire version as shown here..
@alomond
10 жыл бұрын
Having read the comments below, I have a Canadian model as well. I need to get another and run them in parallel for my AC unit. So I can accomplish the same thing by just using the 110 output plugs on each generator? Simply wire as the same in your video? I understand the live plug warning, just need to remember to turn them off before handling. I'll be using a twist lock.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
I have plugged 2 running generators together and one will make a ZIPPP sound as they try to sync (not Honda recommended). I doesn't sound good. But I don't see how plugging a running one into a non running one would affect anything. Honda recommends connecting them. Then starting 1 then the other. The only thing that concerns me is the load. I would make sure both are off "eco throttle" during the swap but I don't see why a uninterrupted swap wouldn't work.
@jasonthrills2478
8 жыл бұрын
I also noticed you have your battery leads just flopping around, should definitely cap that hot lead in or you could spark up a nice fire in your battery compartment. just a thought, im thinking if the wiring is connected thru a master aux switch then should be fine. better safe then on fire..
@therylmccoy6748
10 жыл бұрын
Great video. I wonder if you can turn off one of the generators after the A/C has started? Two generators are only required for the initial surge. This would save a lot of gas.
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
Theryl McCoy Thanks. Yes, but the AC will cycle on and off. The Hondas are pretty ingenious and generally you can place the secondary (last started) on Eco Throttle and it will idle down while the other maintains the AC. Only having 1 on Eco Throttle will generally allow the generators not to struggle on the initial surge while the AC cycles. I also have a video how to run them off an extended fuel system so you never have to refill them. kzitem.info/news/bejne/s3qhsmlvbImTp2U
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
It has an internal computer that synchronizes the two 120V outputs and keeps it 120v but doubles the output amps.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter. If you toasted you genny it is because you had 1 or both units running when you connected them.
@CheekyMonkey888
11 жыл бұрын
Good idea, I was thinking of doing the same thing in my trailer; it is only on occasion that peak power is needed. What wattage inverter did you go with, what brand too?
@kurtamiss
3 жыл бұрын
If I paralleled the two 3,000 watt generators together to get 48 or 49 amps and removed the 30 amp push button and installed the 50 amp push breaker would I use a #6 wire coming out of the "home made parallel kit" to a 50 amp twist lock power inlet female plug? I would imagine the wires used for the 30 amp box are too small. I have a 50 amp 125 v twist lock male power inlet box installed at the house to the panel. If so how would you wire the home made box with 4 wires instead of the three wires for 30 amp box?
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm glad you like it.
@daultonruff2281
7 жыл бұрын
Well done and appreciated video. I think I have all the components in my garage. I saw a bunch of adapter plugs at the swap meet so I'll go find one tomorrow. Only problem is finding the little banana plugs. All the descriptions say 20 amp. Is that a problem? I just purchased my two generators with my new trailer in July and I've lost the cable somewhere and I would like to avoid that $40 cost if I can.
@sixtyfiveford
7 жыл бұрын
20amps for the banana plug is fine as it is only sharing half the load max (30amps)
@123decoeli
12 жыл бұрын
Very neat work. Unfortunately I am in Canada, where the same model does not have the parallel ability due to some Canaian CSA rule. It would be an ordeal to go to the states to buy a pair, not to mention the warranty issue. I was just thinking, what are the chances that the circuitry, right down to the plugs, is actually in the Canadian version, and that all we'd have to do to make it work is to install female banana plugs into the facia, connected to the circuit board. Any ideas?
@123decoeli
12 жыл бұрын
That's very interesting, and thanks for getting back to me. Have you measured the resistance from the banana plugs (females) on the facia's of your units to be sure that the circuitry is a direct connection to the banana plugs, or have you had the facia off to see it? If this is the case, you have solved my problem. I would probably test it by plugging males in to each end, but once I had established that it works, I would buy some female facia mount banana's to install and make it safe
@jockpatterson217
Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if I have a eu2000i companion 30a, can I parallel with another companion or must I use a regular eu2000i ?
@sixtyfiveford
Жыл бұрын
Yes, any of the Hondas link together just fine. Guys even join the 1000s to the 2000s and 3000s without issue.
@SubStationSparky
9 жыл бұрын
nice one! The weather proof box is good.. but no watertight connectors for the cables.. usually when your using a generator (besides construction and camping) the wether is bad...that can be a problem if the box gets wet..but nice video
@ForTheManDIY
7 жыл бұрын
I believe you said banana jacks tied to outlets? If so forget the jacks and use the outlets to parallel. Wonder if you could criscross the banana jacks and get 220V?
@sixtyfiveford
7 жыл бұрын
The internal circuitry automatically matches/syncs the frequencies so you'll get 120V 60hz no matter what. The phases of the 120v would have to be 180° out of phase to get 240V. Which Honda could do if they programed it to do so.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
For a basic circuit you will have 3 wires: Ground, Neutral, and Hot. Ground(green): Connect all together. Neutral(White): Connect all together. Hot(Black): Connect the 2 from the generators together and then connect them to the "Line" side of the fuse. Connect the remaining black wire from the 30amp plug to the Load side of the fuse.
@joseemirovela
9 жыл бұрын
hello friend, greetings from Venezuela. I have 2 honda EU20i and I could connect in parallel thanks to the instructions of your video. I have a question 1 generator is working with synthetic oil and the other mineral oil. I want to change the synthetic oil with mineral oil. Do you have any suggestions? thank you very much message translated from Spanish by google translator.
@shpyrko
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Have a few questions/ideas. Will the gen sinc if you have just one wire and the ground? Probably not but if they do you could potentially get double fase (240v). Another question if can parallel with just male-male cable - then you cold use ithe 20a beakers in the unit. My third question would be about uninterrupted gen swap using parallel kit
@passattdise
11 жыл бұрын
What are the specs, and make and amp draw of your current A/C unit on your travel trailer? I assume about 13500 BTU, which if you double that, pulls about 27 Amps at start up? Depends on if it's efficient or not. I understand it's better to keep the generators in regular mode, not eco mode, when starting and running the A/C unit, due to the voltage possibly dropping, along with spiking the amps upwards?
@dj5752
3 жыл бұрын
Another Great Video. Thanks. Just wondering. I have a Generac IQ3500/3000 inverter generator and a Paxess 2300/1800 inverter Generator. The volts are the same about 124v The HZ are the same at 60. The parallel cables which came with the Paxess fit perfectly into the Generac. Can I parallel these 2 generators? If so, do I need to start one 1st over the other or just plug in the parallel cable then start both and let them sync? then apply a load? Please share you thoughts. Thank You.
@sixtyfiveford
3 жыл бұрын
I can tell you how the Honda works. The first generator started is the master. The second one to start matches the other. I think it does this by by mechanically rotating the stator to put the AC sine wave phases so both match. I say this because if you just plug one into another with them both running you can hear a distinct spin and teeth slipping over locking holes. Kind of like putting a car into park before it has completely stopped rolling. I did watch a video years ago where a guy plugged a Honda into a working Power inverter(running off 12v car battery) and started the Honda. It worked just fine. Now to your question. The Generac and Paxess are Honda clones and theoretically use the same circuitry. In theory there is no reason the second generator wouldn't match what the first one is doing. I have never tried it for myself.
@dj5752
3 жыл бұрын
@@sixtyfiveford Thank you for input. You brought up several good points. I do know that the Paxcess is a Yamaha clone coping the MZ80 Engine. So if Generac is a Honda clone they may not sync. Again, Thanks. Always watch you video's and learn alot from them.
@thesteveprichard
11 жыл бұрын
Great video! I would recommend a two gang Bell box for your splices and circuit breaker. Thanks for the info!
@1spark2
12 жыл бұрын
Can you take two male plugs and connect each generator with the plugs or is it a different circuit set up the way you showed? I know the way i asked could be unsafe because unplugging one plug it will be live with the generators running and the other plug still plugged in.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
It easily runs my 13,500 BTU AC unit, but 2 eu2000i should also push a 15000 btu unit.
@kennybobby9397
4 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for posting! I'm curious if you separated the two black hot leads if you could have split phase 240VAC but maybe the generators would not sync up that way.
@sixtyfiveford
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately no. I've read a handful of tech articles where guys are trying to do this and it comes down to not an easy task. The simplest way is to have a stand alone transformer that runs off the eu2000s and makes 240vac AC. The transformers are pricey though.
@kennybobby9397
4 жыл бұрын
@@sixtyfiveford thanks for getting back to me!
@cometcal2
10 жыл бұрын
Great video. Will this hookup work for my home transfer switch box instead of an RV? If not, what mods need to be done?
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
***** Yes and no. It is only a 120v system so half of the home will be without power. You would be better off with a generator that can deliver 220v power to feed both legs of your breaker box.
@kurtamiss
4 жыл бұрын
Hey 65 Still hope you reply to these videos. I contacted you years back with some questions which helped me make a parallel kit. Worked perfectly until one of my 2000i generators was stolen a month ago. The serial number on my existing 2000i is not compatible with the new 2200i. Long story short I am getting 2 Predator 3500i(s) to parallel. If I followed your 2000i formula with a 30 amp push button breaker (which worked) would I only have to change to a 50 amp push button breaker if the banana plugs fit? Starting Watts: 3500 and Continuous at 3,000. Great videos by the way.
@sixtyfiveford
4 жыл бұрын
50amp exactly. Since I did the video though China has made these pretty cheap amzn.to/3nEHjC6 so it's barely worth it to build your own. But still remember you won't get 220/240 volts 50amps with any of these kits and these generators. Just 120volts at 50amps so some RVs won't be happy if you try to run certain devices.
@kurtamiss
3 жыл бұрын
@@sixtyfiveford If I paralleled the two 3,000 watt generators together to get 48 or 49 amps and removed the 30 amp push button and installed the 50 amp push breaker would I use a #6 wire coming out of the "home made parallel kit" to a 50 amp twist lock power inlet female plug? I would imagine the wires used for the 30 amp box are too small. I have a 50 amp 125 v twist lock male power inlet box installed at the house to the panel. If so how would you wire the home made box with 4 wires instead of the two wires for 30 amp box?
@XER239
2 жыл бұрын
Can you parallel the two hondas to produce 240/120 volt?
@sixtyfiveford
2 жыл бұрын
No, just 120v at double the amps. The circuitry automatically aligns the sine waves from both generators. There has been talk on forums and stuff for people trying to crack the computer in one of the generators so the sine waves are opposite which would make 240 volt but I haven't heard of anybody being able to do it.
@drewolm
11 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks. Just to be sure i saw it correctly. the 2 black wires from the s.o. cord are sautered together and then sautered to one side of the circuit breaker(line) and the black from the 30 amp pig tail (load) is suatered to the other side of the breaker?
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Yes. The breaker just interrupts the flow in an overload situation.
@drewolm
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@YOVlogs
5 жыл бұрын
gr8 idea but I have two power inverters can I combine them together for getting high watts with this cable or this cable is for generators only?
@sixtyfiveford
5 жыл бұрын
These Honda generators were designed to be able to do this. You wouldn't be able to connect two inverters together like this.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
I just went and looked at the Factory Honda Cable Kit and they do have a ground wire.
@rvah1x2
8 жыл бұрын
Good video. One comment. Is it safe to solder wire because if you run a heavy load like a/c , it can heat up wire and melt the solder. Fire and electrical hazard. Buy the correct size wire nuts for it is easier and safer for the family.
@sixtyfiveford
8 жыл бұрын
This would mean you are drawing too much current for the wire gauge and the wire is getting to 400+F all along its length. Heat will generate in the weakest/thinnest joint. Solder will offer a 10x better, more conductive connection than a wire nut, allowing no heat buildup there. If in the random event that the solder did heat and melt the connection would be broken and nothing would happen as they are enclosed in an insulated electrical box.
@rvah1x2
8 жыл бұрын
Conductivity in solder (tin plus lead) vs copper is not that much difference. Heat (wattage) is generated in the areas of higher resistance (ohms) and air confinement . The #12 solid wire is good for 20amps according to most codes but in my book stranded wire can handle about 5 more amps. Wire nuts are made to take the heat if installed properly, conductivity is about equal. The best is crimping but that is much more expense for the proper tools cost dearly . I must tell you about a insulated (meltable)box vs a metal box. Insulated boxes do not conduct out heat as good as metal boxes in outside spaces. The insulated box may protect you to a point but the ground wire / neutral wires inside can still cause a shot to the hot wires if the soldered wires would fly apart. Most codes do limit the number of wires that can be used in a confined space like a box. I always commend a double box. I think you did alright but the solder would not be my choice. Ive been in the electric field engr. work for about 45 yrs and when I look back on my first jobs I can not brag. You are a smart guy and seem interested in learning. Keep it up. That is my 2 cents worth.
@shpyrko
11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for respond 1. The 240 in sync does not seem to be plausible. with honda you can synchronize only same fase and reversing the fase will not be in sync. the only thing i could think off is running parallel and then quickly switching to series and reverse the fase with non inductive load. But then it's very likely that the synchronization and fase drift will result in massive internal power loss or "permanently damaged" Perhaps even with a pace maker the load will not be ballanced.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks.. Yeah everything would fit a little easier in a 2 gang.
@wtbm123
12 жыл бұрын
To bad they didn`t make the ground screw a thumb screw,or a short wire off it with a push plug connector off it ,so it was tooless. Good video
@michaelgutierrez1249
9 жыл бұрын
sixtyfiveford made my triple parallel kit with a 50 amp plug and a 50 amp breaker. I ran two hot legs out of the breaker one to each side of the 50 amp plug. Thanks for the ideas!!!
@sixtyfiveford
9 жыл бұрын
That's great. Happy RVing.
@michaelgutierrez1249
9 жыл бұрын
sixtyfiveford what do you think about 4 generators with the 50 amp breaker and plug?
@sixtyfiveford
9 жыл бұрын
The way you have it set up it really doesn't matter unless you want more power. If you ran 4, I would separate the 2 legs and run 2 generators per side. Or you could tie them all together and split is like you did with three. Either way you still wouldn't be able to run 240volt appliances like clothes dryers as the phases will never be out of sync correctly.
@zx8401ztv
12 жыл бұрын
Very nice job done, thick wire of equal length makes the current pull from each generator the same at full blast. Much better than the original :-)
@KuntalGhosh
2 жыл бұрын
The inverter board does it automatically
@RobertL78
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. I just bought the parts to do this except for the wire all from Allied Electronics: 20 amp banana safety plug, black: 70197115 (soldering required) 20 amp banana safety plug, red: 70197116 (soldering required) 30 amp panel mount circuit breaker with screw terminals: 70129041
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, I'm glad the video helped and I'll put the parts numbers in the description for others.
@ChrisSheppVids
5 жыл бұрын
This can ONLY be done with inverter generators. If you try to do this with two "regular" generators or one of each type, their output can't be properly synchronized and this will result in a dangerous short circuit; both generators and anything attached to them will be severely damaged or destroyed almost instantaneously.
@pepsiboy72
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I'm using the Honda cord and it has different colors. Can you tell me what color goes with what on the plug side. Green with green obviously, but what the red and black. Thanks in advance.
@sixtyfiveford
8 жыл бұрын
+pepsiboy72 As far as the machines go, it doesn't matter which color cord plug goes into which port.
@pepsiboy72
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks I realized that. The Honda cable has black, red, and green instead of black, white, and green. I'm going to solder green with green, but don't know where the other two wires go. Does black go with black and red goes with white or if it even matters.
@sixtyfiveford
8 жыл бұрын
+pepsiboy72 It doesn't matter. I would do as you said and put red with the white and black with the black.
@derekvore8012
10 жыл бұрын
I love how he says "I took apart one at the store."
@sixtyfiveford
10 жыл бұрын
Derek Vore Yeah, I put it back together afterwards.
@derekvore8012
10 жыл бұрын
haha, okay. I see!
@P13586
4 жыл бұрын
This may already have been asked, but how are the two separate AC sine waves synchronized?
@dacelooper
4 жыл бұрын
He got lucky...
@chrisr069
11 жыл бұрын
So you're basically shorting the two hot wires from each generator together (at the fuse)... but the generators have circuitry that synchronizes the cycles on each generator??? ..and the output is 220V?
@michaelgutierrez1249
9 жыл бұрын
sixtyfiveford I wanted to use three Honda 2000i but wanted to used a 50 amp breaker and plug. Would the same set up work?
@tonyksnow3222
3 жыл бұрын
How long run time? 50% of using time? I have a Honda 2000i but only ☝️,my RV air conditioning is quite,also only 3 to 4 hrs,not a long enough so I’m thinking about parallel,I need least 14 hrs without runout GAS.
@sixtyfiveford
3 жыл бұрын
You can install the extended gas caps and they'll pull fuel from an external gas tank.
@sixtyfiveford
11 жыл бұрын
Good old Ebay... In the description below the video I show where I got everything and how much it was..
@aggressivepipeearth6743
7 жыл бұрын
Great info. Distracted by the music. Not bad music, just a tad loud. Thanks
@sixtyfiveford
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, the music is bad and some speakers pick it up more than others. I can barely hear it with my computer speakers by my earphones make it 4x louder. This is an old video.
@gordoneno1512
9 жыл бұрын
Is there any reason you can't use the outlet 110v from each generator put in a fuse box and then to your interface connector. You wouldn't need to have a more expensive companion generator. Would this give you more output from a amperage?
@sixtyfiveford
9 жыл бұрын
+Gordon Eno Yes, you can just plug a cord into one each of the 110v outlets and connect them to get full capacity. The fear is though if one cord gets pulled out/falls out it is live with power and can electrocute someone if they touch it.
@gordoneno1512
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information and your time.
@AndrewBrowner
7 жыл бұрын
to clarify this, the male end of a plug is live, which almost never is the case and without knowing it is live youre almost guaranteed to get a good shock
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