A great instruction on how to avoid a lot of problems, especially early in your woodworking career when you blame your lack of skill and don't consider the possibility that your instruments can be faulty. I learned that the hard way too :) A word in defense of a cheap combination square: if you take one apart and look inside the “handle”, right into the slot, you'll see two protrusions, two little knobs. When you tighten up the nut the hook pulls the blade against those protrusions so it rests on two points. So if you find your combination square off you can reach one of these knobs with a file and grind away a tiny bit of metal. I recently fixed a cheap square this way. And as long as the hook catches the blade well, the square should be consistent. Another problem I found thought with one of my combination squares is that two sides of the blade wasn't parallel, so that's a possibility too.
@bobwolf1811
4 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I went out to the garage and tested all my squares. My square that is similar to yours with the wooden handle is quite square, but it has a a solid aluminum handle. My carpenter's squares were square but one of my speed squares was off. My combination square tested out all right. Thanks for the help.
@gregghernandez2714
3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Colin! Speaking of squares, there is a company called Igaging which makes extremely accurate squares at 1/3 the price of high end S brand. They are made overseas, but manufactured to strict tolerances. I love their combination square set which has so many cool features. No, I don't work for them. Thanks again.
@MattHeere
5 жыл бұрын
Quality squares and switching to a knife (vs. pencil) revolutionized things for me. I'll never tell the Mrs. what I spent on my Starrett, but I'll never regret it either! BTW I've also found that the plastic triangles you can buy at office supply places for drafting are remarkably accurate. That's how I discovered that my one combo square was square, but the 45 degree side was more like 47 1/2!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
@thomaskelly1228
5 жыл бұрын
Stay healthy Matt, if you die before the wife she will sell the tools for what you said you paid for them and take a hell of a loss.
@danlarson6268
4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Kelly lol, yeah but if he tells her then he will die a lot faster!
@davidharvey5672
5 жыл бұрын
This is such an important subject. I've known people who have bought store tools and assume they are square. With more cheap tools around on store shelves and often less that you can trust it's easy to get something that looks the part but is a mile out. Thanks Colin
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@lindam.9282
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness! Checked mine out and this is definitely my problem. Out of square-squares! Who would've thought.. I sure didn't make the connection. Thanks for the info... Finally got me squared away!! :-)
@petec6690
2 жыл бұрын
Simple but elegant solution. I, too, have been plagued by (not) square squares. Similar to your line up at the top and down at the bottom, I've struck a line the whole length so I can see right away that my square is at the same mark at the top. If the second line (as often did in my case) drifts away from the first line I knew it was not square. Those squares have been shelved. But later today I'm going to apply the dimple method for squaring up my squares. Thanks so much for this advice. And those adjustable tri-squares, I use them to set depths and distances only. The worn aluminum banjo's are a scourge in my opinion. I've lined up one with another and found wonderful passageways either at the far end or at the roots. Those squares will continue to be depth markers only. Another issue I've had has been with angles. I always struggle with getting 45˚ miters. I've built a jig and even then I still run into issues. Of course, miters change with humidity, so I don't expect perfect miters - unless you have suggestions for that as well. My next miter is going to be a half lapped miter. That's stronger than just the miter, you can make them thinner, and if done right you can't beat them. They never open up.
@gordonclark7632
5 жыл бұрын
Worth watching Colin because you answered a problem I had with my carpenters square. I had seen how to open it up with the punch but not how to close it up as usual, I had hit the punch too hard to open it a bit. Now I can try again to square the square.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@frankhill9527
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent information, I will now check my squares.
@DCDLaserCNC
5 жыл бұрын
Great info! I was not aware you could adjust a metal square with a punch. Makes perfect sense once I saw you explain how. Thanks for the video!
@gregsharp8601
5 жыл бұрын
Works! I bought a Starrett FS-24 because, you know, they're so dang accurate. Well my "accurate" Starrett was off by a whole 16th of an inch over its 24 inch length. I used your method and *now* my Starrett is perfectly accurate... the way it should have arrived. Thanks for giving me an alternative to trashing it.
@369dusty
5 жыл бұрын
Very thorough presentation about squares. I had never heard of the hole trick before. Also, it is good to know to stick with all metal squares. Enjoy all your shows Colin. Keep up the excellent videos !
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mukundchabukswar2640
5 жыл бұрын
Very important information, these minor details are often overlooked and then trouble starts. Thanks with respect.
@dulcecasitas3056
3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video on squares, especially the info on adjusting carpenter's square with a centre punch. Who'd a thunk? Many thanks.
@jons2447
10 ай бұрын
Hello, Mr. Knecht; Thank you for this because many don't know this. Some say there is no such thing as "square". So *any* "square" should be checked REGULARLY for square as you showed. When (not if) a square is out then it is the user's responsibility to 'square' it. The framing square you showed is a good example. The wall hanger square you showed can also be squared. Using the test you showed & a file you test the square & file it til it is actually 'square'. So square your wall hanger & use that sucker! Dave a GREAT day, Neighbor!
@GMastolier
5 жыл бұрын
Oh thanks a lot, Colin -- now I have to go check all my squares. Here I was sitting in my shop surrounded by squares thinking they were all perfect off the shelf. Ignorance is bliss!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@garrymeads8441
5 жыл бұрын
I have always been surprised with two things, first that squares are not always square, and second that a lot of people (including people that do a lot of building) don’t know this. Whenever I bring up the topic I get a lot of strange looks until I show them. Thanks for this video as it saves a lot of headaches.
@rogerc.roberts4705
5 жыл бұрын
Being a retired tool maker machinist I am fully aware that most people do not check to see if their tools are square for the simple reason that they know nothing about the manufacturing process. These people use the excuse that they bought a "square tool" therefore it is square. If it is not square they blame the manufacture. If these people knew anything about the manufacturing process and what can "go wrong" maybe these people would assume more responsibility. Then again, how many of these people have the skills needed to correct the problem? By the way, plastic triangles ALWAYS need to be checked for to determine if all three angles are correct.
@Shepherd31680
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I know this is an old video... wish I would have seen this years ago! Thank you SO much for this simple tip that resolves an ongoing problem that I failed to see!
@davidmckenzie7190
Жыл бұрын
Hello I like your channel. I have been a machinist for at least 35 years. The combination Square Is one tool that you more or less "Baby" around the shop, I mean never throw it around, don't ever drop one. Even the expensive ones can't take the pounding and still be right.
@treebrookwoodworks2225
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Colin! Want to say thanks for the video and taking the time to make it. I learned a little bit more, and in woodworking, a little bit can mean volumes! Thanks again sir!
@dennisfreitas7675
2 жыл бұрын
Very good bit of information thanks I’ll be checking all of my squares later today 🤙🏼
@LLL-dv7yj
5 жыл бұрын
It never occurred to me that one of my squares would be anything but accurate. I happen to have a machinist square and will consider it the standard from now on. This video is, by far, the most beneficial one i have seen so far. Thank you so much for sharing such great info and always presenting it in the most practical and straight-forward demonstrations!!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, Lona! Thanks for watching.
@thomasarussellsr
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip on adjusting a framing square, for some reason my mind had the adjustments reversed for closing the angle or opening it up. I appreciate the info, and your explanation made perfect sense.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@zavoina
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, sir. Excellent and practical information.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@TheStuffMade
2 жыл бұрын
It's a good tip. I've had several squares that were off, but the worst one was a long metal ruler that was off by 1 mm every 25 cm.
@Bob_Adkins
4 жыл бұрын
I've checked and successfully corrected framing squares for years using your method. Sometimes they're perfect and get off again. I suspect metal stresses can make them drift over time, and they're also a little temperature sensitive. For example, the square could be right on at 80F, but a little off at 55F. Just an educated guess! Thanks!
@huwdavies5264
5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant tip on how to true up a framing square. I only use the engineers square when marking out and have three sizes. Thanks Colin
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@felipechan9654
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much sir Colin for all the information you posted
@whirled_peas
5 жыл бұрын
Totally. About 2 hours ago I smashed up an old Crown square (brand here in the UK) that was a good 2mm out over the 150mm length, to ensure it's never used again. Might try and put the rosewood from the handle to use, and always nice to have something to put in the brass recycling bag.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@virginiagonzalez1138
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Would have never thought they could be out of square.
@jimwebb3524
5 жыл бұрын
One of the most useful woodworking channels on the internet! Thanks Colin.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome, James!
@larsord9139
5 жыл бұрын
Another often overlooked problem is rulers and tape measures. If you have many, almost certainly a few will not agree with the others. This took me a long time to learn
@royreynolds108
5 жыл бұрын
If you need to accurately layout a dimension, use a number other than the end of the rule or tape measure then make your dimension plus the offset to mark the second point so that if the end is off the error doesn't show in the measurement.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
@mattstacy9412
4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. Rudimentary to some, I am sure it will help a lot of people. When I was a young man I wish someone had gave me these tips. It would have saved me from a lot of frustration and head scratching.
@DontStopBrent
5 жыл бұрын
I never would have thought of a square being off. Never. Thanks from a brand new wood man!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@alanlau3278
2 жыл бұрын
Just squared up my carpenter’s square (Stanley) and Empire carpenter’s square (was more expensive and supposed to be better). I eventually realized the Stanley square wasn’t quite 90 degrees. Even the Empire square was a little off. Wow so simple. Thanks again.
@robk3604
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you once again for another great video. I'm going to check my squares and purchase a good quality engineering square.
@billsmith3195
3 жыл бұрын
Wow Colin. Great one. Yes i have this inbuilt doubt of measuring devices and that combination try square has messed me around in the past. Having worked in a factory that manufactured locomotive motors in a quality assurance section where all measuring instruments are routinely verified one soon sees how these devices become inaccurate. Years ago in an apprentice school for telecommunication apprentices for our railways we often saw tool abuse. Like (You will shudder now) using a metal engineering square to hammer a nail into some wood. Thanks for a great topic.
@DEG1985
3 жыл бұрын
He is describing exactly what was happening to me. Out of six squares I have, three were good and three were out of square. My combination square was bad too, I had to buy a Machinist Engineer Solid Square. I finally found why my cuts were off...
@kevingeorgiades4879
5 жыл бұрын
Combination square is still good for depth gauge and transferring measurements.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is. They are also usually accurate enough for most home improvement projects.
@woodandwheelz
5 жыл бұрын
@@knecht105 Thank you for this video. I have several different squares that have been is storage for many years because I didn't have a garage or shop. And I do have a couple of those sliding combo squares that I both inherited and purchased from garage sales. I never thought to check those. But now that I'm moving into a house with a garage, ehem shop space, I will definitely be checking all of my squares. Thank you for the how to fix them if they are out of square. On a side note, I literally was thinking of this topic earlier today. I was in Dollar Tree and they sell metal squares for, yep, $1. My first thought was how do I know if it is even actually square. My second thought, why would I by a square from a dollar store. LoL
@kevingeorgiades4879
5 жыл бұрын
@@knecht105 forgot to mention...love all your videos. Keep up the good work!
@jimmyfish632
3 жыл бұрын
Watch out for cosine error
@markgigiel2722
5 жыл бұрын
The punch trick was awesome. Handle your squares with care. My framing square needs the punch adjustment from lots of mishandling during kitchen renovation. Thanks.
@robertbrunston5406
5 жыл бұрын
Very good! I have bought squares that were not square just like your showing so I but starrett squares now! Thanks Colin.
@BlessedLaymanNC
5 жыл бұрын
Great information. I thought you might want to consider measuring rules as well. I once discovered that three different tape measures did not align at 36 inches. They varied as much as 1/8 inch. I found different measurements on yard sticks as well. But, I consider the yard stick errors due to wear on the ends of the sticks. I told one of my friends to check his, and he said, he ALWAYS uses the same rule to measure any one project that he is working on. If he starts with one rule on a project, that is the only rule he'll use for the entire project. Probably for the same reason, LOL. PS. It's great to learn how to adjust a carpenter's square! I never saw that before.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
@PJ1R
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid Colin, you can also use a sheet of paper (Copier or printer type) which is always cut to very accurate 90 degree corners
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
@boballard2484
5 жыл бұрын
I run a paper cutter for a living, and I can tell you that the calibration of the machine, as well as the skill of the operator can ensure the proper trim and angles of paper. I work in a shop where the operator can some times be a detriment to quality workmanship. We can only hope they find their true calling asking if you would like fries with your order. I have only said this to point out, much like the video, that not all things you assume are square, are in fact square. Course, if you have bought something I have cut, it will be :} Bob
@traciejackson721
5 жыл бұрын
I love your "hack" videos you NEVER fail to teach me something Thank you!!!!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome, Tracie!
@tobiasfarnsworth3232
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the framing square fix tip! I’ve thrown away several of them that could have been fixed easily 😂
@melgross
5 жыл бұрын
It’s almost always zinc, not aluminum. Sometimes it’s aluminum, but not normally. The advantage of zinc over aluminum is strength, rigidly, and the ability to slide without galling. It also melts at about 780 degrees f, rather than 1200 f as with aluminum. That being said, a fine grain cast iron is much better, though much more expensive. The best squares use hardened, ground iron, along with hardened stainless rules, some with matte chrome plating on the ruler. Mine are Brown & Sharp.
@ta1ntv1lle39
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video sir! Getting flipped off at 10:10 was my favorite part...not sure i deserved that tho 🤣👍
@wallyknapp7023
Жыл бұрын
I love watching your vid's. So informative!
@JOEZEP54
5 жыл бұрын
Very good information. I also found out the hard way that all squares are not square. I did not know that the carpenters square could be adjusted. Thank you for sharing. Stay well, Joe Z
@JanMaklak
4 жыл бұрын
How many times have I seen on KZitem where someone is instructing using a drywall square. Mine was only out by 1/4 over 4' (LOL) I have used your method to bash it back to square. Great idea
@knecht105
4 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@neilrobertgrayson
5 жыл бұрын
Laughing my butt off. I was just going through this yesterday were you reading my mind Colin? I have 2 combination, 3 woodworking and set of engineers squares. Been squaring up some 3 x 4 workbench legs and was not happy so I found a table with a straight edge (wife not around) and taped paper to its surface to mark then checked. None of the woodworking squares were. The engineers squares are. The combination one was not which I knew and why I have 2. Interestingly the newer more expensive one is not bad at all. Have yet to check framing squares but now know how to adjust if needed. Great video Colin.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403
5 жыл бұрын
Been there, had some squares that were right at one side but not the other, was extremely frustrating. Great advice....
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@bfflorida2311
5 жыл бұрын
Just few pennies tip here....Combo- squares can be fine tuned .. if you take your sliding edge (ruler) out you will find (inside grove) of the combination head there are small tip/ guides on each end.... This is where ruler will slide and lock tide when you turn the knob/fastener tied.. so basically it's a three point lock.. with that said.. if you take small file you can file away very slightly of that the tip depending what direction you need to move the angle.. go easy it doesn't take much to move it back.. Also make sure that combination head contact surface is flat and no damages ( that aluminum thingy 😁) . and no twist on the ruler itself... if they are in good shape and combo-square can be adjusted back to be square again...
@ernieosborne7002
5 жыл бұрын
I was getting ready to make this same comment. I have a couple of these combo squares that I trust completely. I do however check them from time to time, depending on how much I use them. No need to spend a hundred buck on these when even the cheaper ones can be adjusted for accuracy.
@k.b.woodworker3250
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining why truing up a carpenter's square works. I knew about it, but understanding how it works is helpful.
@michaelpowers5506
3 жыл бұрын
Great information. Thank you.
@tomscorner3838
5 жыл бұрын
Tape measures have the same problem with how long is a inch. I was working with a friend constructing a wall. I was cutting studs and he needed them . He would shout the measurement and I would cut the 2 X 4. He would try to put it in place and it was to tight. This happened with 3 of the board I cut. He got off the ladder and measured the board I cut and it was off a 1/8 inch. He said I cut it wrong and I showed him how I cut it. I took my tape measure and the length was correct. He measured it with his tape and it was 1/8 to long. We stretched both tapes out to 25 feet and there was more than a 5/16 of a inch off. He has a Stanley and I had a Craftsman both 25 feet long. Found that the Craftsman tape was bad. The farther I stretched the Craftsman tape the farther it was off.
@rwbishop
5 жыл бұрын
As a side note, many ultra precise long surveyors tape measures are make of pricy 'Invar'... an alloy that expands/contracts very little with temperature changes. Having said that, a 25' steel tape heated/cooled enough to be noticed by the average wood worker would likely be far too hot (or cold) to hold. I suspect the Craftsman tape was either mis printed, or had a damaged hook... I once saw a mis printed one.
@donaldp9259
5 жыл бұрын
yeah. I have seen this too.....I watched a video once re:quality control for tape measures; if they aren't on top of it, machines get out of calibration and translates to a progressive error on the tape that gets worse the longer your measurement is.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, tape measures can be a real pain! I always try to make sure I use the same tape for the whole project to avoid the problem you mentioned above.
@maxprophet2401
5 жыл бұрын
I'll assume that measuring tape suspenders are accurate enough if occasionally calibrated from side to side. I know for sure they're less frustrating to read than my foreign made tape measures which have 12 divisions per inch. i.e. each quarter has 1/3's ???
@melgross
5 жыл бұрын
Starrett makes certified tape measures. They cost over $50 each. But if worry free accuracy is needed, that’s what to get. If your crew has a bunch of measures, and you’re the boss, you might want to get one of these to check all of the others, and to put away, and not actually use for work. That way you can weed out any measure that’s really off. It can save money in the long run.
@tystahl3961
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tips and tricks. I will be checking my squares. You have an awesome channel. I keep revisiting videos to help with my shop projects. Looking forward to the next video.
@edwaggonersr.7446
5 жыл бұрын
In the days when I used a tri-square to frame houses (1968...) we only used steel and cast-iron. Cast aluminum "speed" squares have pretty much replaced the tri-square in carpentry. When ever we discovered a tool that wasn't worth a crap we'd sneak it into a buddy's tool box. Your plastic engineers square is actually a draftsman square.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@alistairross4317
5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Colin, thanks. I now know why the blades on my table and mitre saw have never cut accurately.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@Mucram-17
5 жыл бұрын
Going to check all my squares now.thanks for the videos.
@jhc500
5 жыл бұрын
My approach was to buy a good machinist square on HJE, and then I took that to Home Depot and sorted through the speed square and framing squares until I found the best ones.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
@barsoom43
5 жыл бұрын
I had the same experience using one of those wood and steel squares.. I finally bought a square from Woodpeckers and used it to check my other squares.. It is the standard by which all others are judged.. I threw out the bad ones You are right. You have to pay good money to get good tools.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, thanks for watching!
@blackfender100
5 жыл бұрын
thanks a million Colin
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome!
@davenooner2142
4 жыл бұрын
Great punch fix!!!
@terryevans6625
5 жыл бұрын
I bought a machinist square. It was perfectly square as proven to by using the method you describe. Needless to say, I had to adjust all of my equipment to work with this perfect square. Then, I accidentally dropped the machinist square and knocked it out of square. Angrily, I threw it away and went to the big box store and bought another. After i dropped this second one some time later, I learned these can be straightened to using the wood method you describe. I then check it for squareness by using an adjustable square. SO far it has worked perfectly. Every time I watch a video and see the narrator reach for a carpenters square, I have to wonder if it is square. Hopefully those woodworkers who use carpenters squares sees your video and uses your advice. Thank you for showing us how to properly adjust our squares.
@melgross
5 жыл бұрын
Terry Evans erm! Unless it’s an expensive machinists adjustable square, then it’s not going to be that accurate. Even then, I can assure you that they are not as accurate as an expensive fixed machinists square. You prove accuracy with a machinists square using another machinists square, back to back. That’s the quick, easy way. It’s not 100% that way. You ALWAYS give up accuracy for adjustability. It can’t be helped. But you have to be careful with your fine measurement tools. You just have to. These, even if shop quality, are reference tools. You can get a Starrett or B&S redone at the factory, but it will cost you. You can’t even hope to bring back to where they were by banging a punch, assuming the punch doesn’t flatten on the hardened steel.
@nobull-dozer3356
5 жыл бұрын
I really feel as if I’ve learnt something today. Thank you Colin .
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome!
@woodsniffer
4 жыл бұрын
Very good info thanks.
@bradmiller6202
5 жыл бұрын
Great instructional video, thank you.
@ceent3266
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍. Makes perfect sense
@artist1138
5 жыл бұрын
The Punch! I've seen that on some of my dad's old squares. Good trick.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@stevenrolfe1918
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed, as an industrial designer and engineer I always get out my large 30 60 set square when doing woodwork, that and my 10 inch Moore and Right engineers square. Recently I got one of those aluminium roofing squares 12 inch and this is very useful to. I do have a Joseph Marples try square and it is actually spot on, hasn't ever moved. I have the steel and aluminium adjustable square and you are absolutely correct, don't trust them, okay for depth transfers and comparisons but I'd only use them with caution. Get a cast and machined steel one of possible. I have not used a large framing square but the punch adjustment technique was a first for me! Tip from me, never trust pre cut beech planks, you know the ones that are made up of lots of pieces glued together, although the wood is great the dimensions are all over the place.. 300mm width was 305mm , trust but verify 😉
@BearCreekWoodworking
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome Tips Colin!!!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome!
@LegoMan-cz4mn
5 жыл бұрын
I have bought a rusty, dirty old square, roughly tested it in the thrift store for square and it seemed nice. At home I cleaned it up nicely and tested it again, it was 100% perfect. I paid 50 cents for it. Tadaa your done! And it will last you a lifetime (even if you've dropped it, vintage qualaty squares can take a hit) (Cast iron handle and hardned steel blade)
@beerdevil4020
5 жыл бұрын
Thank's Colin, a LOT of excellent information I did not know there.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@vin2216
5 жыл бұрын
Oh Colin I love your videos so much! Thank you darling!
@gr8bkset-524
3 жыл бұрын
I tried making a couple of right angles "jigs" with my yardstick to draw straight lines and saw guides but could never get them squared. Even when I use a known square as reference, a very small angle discrepancy when gluing the pieces together get magnified at the end of the yardstick.
@manoharjethra
5 жыл бұрын
Very nice informative video by An experienced professional 👍
@BradsWorkbench
5 жыл бұрын
Collin you are one CRAZY woodworker!
@hansdegroot8549
5 жыл бұрын
Super informative video! Thanks for sharing! I saw before a video where somebody dented the corner of a square. But I did not understand it. You explained it very well, in a way that anybody can understand it.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps, Hans! Thanks for watching!
@frenchriversprings
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I find those carpenters square can be square on the inside and not on the outside or vice versa. I have a new starett combination square and it is not perfectly square. So frustrating. I like to check my squares with a square plywood using the 5 cut method on my table Saw sled. I find a factory cut plywood is not always perfectly flat. I'm buying a machinist square like yours. :)
@Bramsshed1913
5 жыл бұрын
Good tip on using a punch .Thanks Colin I learn a lot from your channel.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome!
@joeycheroke6391
3 жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias Sr Tku
@KRColson
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Colin. I had to laugh when I watched your video because I learned exactly like you that I was using squares that, well, were not!! I also have an inexpensive tri-square that is inaccurate. I have taken the steel ruler out and use it only as a straight ruler because it is very flat and the increments are also accurate. I am now very suspicious of cheap squares because of their inaccuracy. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work you do. Cheers!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@Idahoanghost
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Colin. Love your channel. I appreciate all I've learned from you.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@ken1Lane
5 жыл бұрын
Some good info Colin, I never new you could adjust steel squares.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@MegaVitor53
5 жыл бұрын
Very good explanations. Thank you Sir, from Brazil.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@MegaVitor53
5 жыл бұрын
Great works
@hardnox6655
5 жыл бұрын
Colin, you explained that beautifully. As an aside, the 12" aluminum speed squares available at big box stores are dead square. They are made by Empire. A nice surprise for $8.
@k.b.woodworker3250
5 жыл бұрын
Not all of them. You have to check to see which ones are square using an engineers or other accurate square. I have a couple that weren't square.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
@bassrun101
5 жыл бұрын
I've been happily surprised at the quality and accuracy of the Empire tools and the reasonable prices.
@hardnox6655
5 жыл бұрын
@@k.b.woodworker3250 Really? I have yet to find either a 6" or 12", made by Empire, that wasn't dead on. However, I have checked other brands that were off. Maybe I was just lucky with the 6 that I have in my shop.
@k.b.woodworker3250
5 жыл бұрын
@@hardnox6655 Ok, I just checked both the Empire squares I currently have available with my Woodpeckers 1281 square. Putting it against the wide bottom and the narrow side (outside measurement), the flat part (foot) that it sits on is not flat. I can see gaps and plenty of light through it. However, if I use the inside measurement, it seems pretty good. So, for marking a board it's probably good, but for checking a fence for square by sitting it on the "foot" portion, I wouldn't trust to the degree I'd trust my engineer's or woodpeckers squares. I have a Craftsman that looks like it was made by Empire and it's about the same.
@christofix
5 жыл бұрын
I assumed when I bought a square that he really was correct. Thanks for this interesting video! thanks for the tip on 6;30. That will help me to check my square
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@christofix
5 жыл бұрын
@@knecht105 it sure is! thanks a lot man, i have already learned so much from you! tank you thank you thankyou!!!
@royreynolds108
5 жыл бұрын
I learned a trick with framing squares to find the center of posts, poles, and large rectangular wood if you are interested.
@IsaKocoglu
5 жыл бұрын
As usual, great advice! Thank you Colin 😉👍
@gregghernandez2714
4 жыл бұрын
I have been tempted to buy one of those "lovely" wooden handled squares on Ebay. Some of them are very old, with plenty of use. The steel on some of them are scratched, but I wouldn't care as long as they are "square." I have contacted a couple of sellers because nowhere on the ads page does it show the test line to demonstrate that the square is actually true. I have asked them "I need to know is the square truly "square." I am usually told that if I am not happy with my purchase I can return it. Maybe I will just stick to my PEC squares that are blemished, but dead on accurate and truly square.
@Thyme2sea
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@OpekiskaWood
5 жыл бұрын
Great tips, Colin. Thanks!
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome!
@rwbishop
5 жыл бұрын
The all metal (non adjusting) squares are often referred to as 'machinist' squares (in the US anyway, & I've seen them called 'engineers' squares in other countries, but are the same thing.) Far as combination squares go, look for the ones with forged & hardened steel heads... not cast iron or Aluminum. They're really pricy but very much more durable. Two big names are Starrett & Mitutoyo. Many are available with non glare 'satin chrome' finish rules that are easy to read in most all lighting. Once satin chrome is tried, you'll wonder how you ever survived without. KBC has sales & deals on squares now & again... there are many other places as well.
@billy19461
5 жыл бұрын
Starrett for me.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips and thanks for watching!
@rick91443
5 жыл бұрын
Always say this, but I always learn something...Thanks Colin, rr Normandy, Fra.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ecaff9515
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and process. Thanks for sharing.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@MrJhonbaker
5 жыл бұрын
I use starrett combination squares because they keep their 90 degree longer than others. I've also been using iGauging squares lately for the same reason. I buy Starrett used only and iGauging I can buy new. What happens is people tend to spend a lot of money on Starrett squares and when they go out of square they sell them 1/2 price or cheaper. I buy them, true them, then sell or use them. My favorite ones are the older ones for no other reason than the wear on them from use. New ones are cool though as well. You can true a combo square. Easily. I skipped ahead in this vid to see if he showed how and he didn't, but I don't know if he talked about it. It takes a few minutes to square a combo square.and they are awesome to use as they are super versatile. For machine set up you should always use machinists squares that are tested and true.
@greghalford2617
5 жыл бұрын
Very good information on squares, i have some questionable squares im going to check out.
@knecht105
5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching!
@zeke112964
5 жыл бұрын
I may be wrong but the wooden handled square is a "Try" square and the combination square is not a "Try" square....It's called a "Try" square because you keep trying or checking the wood for squareness
@notajp
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@osmanvincent1975
2 жыл бұрын
The handle part of combination squares are almost always zinc in cheaper squares. Likely cast iron for higher quality squares. The wear on the locking bolt has no effect on the accuracy, that is determined by the accuracy of the bottom of the blade slot. Decades ago, I made myself a panel saw. One day a lot of cuts came out clearly off. The plywood sheet from the factory was out of square by 3/16 inch.
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