Nettle brought a sense of wonder to the story. How did she claim Sheepstealer, magic or witts. She also had such a strong reaction to war she was very devastated by the war's aftermath, which shows a different side to the war as well. For me it's a deal breaker to cut her out.
@sandorthehoundclegane2235
4 ай бұрын
Does it not explain that she feeds him Sheep?
@Larisa_Baker
4 ай бұрын
@@sandorthehoundclegane2235yes she does, but is it purely just her being smart and getting the dragon to trust her by feeding it, or does she have some Targ blood or did she use some sort of blood magic or other magic. That is not clear. Just something I wonder about 😊
@sandorthehoundclegane2235
4 ай бұрын
@@Larisa_Baker Fair enough
@ozzyc5122
3 ай бұрын
You can't control a dragon without sharing dragon rider blood. The accusation of witchcraft is just propaganda coming from an embittered Rhaenyra because Daemon fell in love with Nettles and wasn't just sleeping with her. Lastly, they made a point of saying she had to use clever tactics to get close to Sheepstealer by feeding him because he was a wild full grown dragon, never tamed, who wasn't letting anyone even get close to attempt to bond.
@SRosenberg203
3 ай бұрын
@@ozzyc5122 You're missing the point. It doesn't have to be witchcraft. It might just be that she tamed an animal by bringing it food and earning its trust. Rhaenyra wanting her dead doesn't have to be explained by "embittered" paranoia. Nettles' very existance undermines the idea that "magical blood" is necessary to control dragons. If it's actually true that anyone can tame a dragon with patience and the right temperament, that's an ENORMOUS threat to the Targaryen monopoly on power. And any ruler in Rhaenyra's position would want Nettles dead to protect that secret. We can theorize that super special snowflake blood is necessary to tame dragons, but the fact is that we just don't know for sure. The Maesters think so, but the Maesters also demonstrate numerous times that they don't really have a fucking clue when it comes to Dragons. Until we get a quote from Septon Barth confirming that Valyrian blood is necessary to bond a dragon, we can't take just accept that as established fact.
@MatthewStewart-1224
4 ай бұрын
Pretty bummed about the omission, throws a bit of a wrench in Rhaenyra and Daemons relationship later on in The Dance. Hope the writers nail the execution!
@aryaisthebest6540
4 ай бұрын
I hope the writers still find a way to have Rhaenyra have some dark moments in later seasons or even this season.
@Timquan.
3 ай бұрын
@aryaisthebest6540 u might get them but they will probably do their best to make Rheanyra somehow justified. I just hope they actually make a pivot on that front because it seems to me the Green's have gotten unintended nuance from how some events were handled.
@aryaisthebest6540
3 ай бұрын
@@Timquan. war might take its toll on her by season 3 or 4.
@jclaburn
4 ай бұрын
If true, it’s very unfortunate: as Nettles is one of the potentially richest and most interesting characters in Fire & Blood that I wanted to see in the series. This could even be an indirect result in part of the past ruining of of Game of Thrones. It seems like they are trying to use this show to in part fix some of the things that David and Dan ruined in Game of Thrones: Showing that the Targaryens are necessary to stop the Others; that the Night’s Watch and many Starks have been secretly sacrificing babies to the Others for thousands of years and Bran and Jon have to rise as leaders to stop this and remake the North, morally and culturally, besides just winning a war. It needs to be remade less paternalistically and less aristocratically where all babies are treated as important and neither bad men like Rickard Stark or good men like Ned Stark are autocrats in a rule-bound incredibly hierarchical society. By trying to fix these ASOIAF and GoT issues with new stuff in the North and more Targaryen background info they have taken their eyes off of taking the most interesting and appealing characters in this section of Fire and Blood and revolving the show around those characters! It can be argued they are causing similar problems in a different way. Dropping Bran mostly from the story for four seasons-and especially David and Dan making him a copy of Leto II from God Emperor of Dune rather than the character we love from the books growing up and grappling with the past and moral dilemmas-arguably was one of the main things that ruined GOT. Dropping Nettles risks being just as bad bc she should be the moral center of the story like Bran should have been the moral center of the later seasons of Game of Thrones.
@aryaisthebest6540
4 ай бұрын
Even with Nettles being cut I think I'll wait until season 3 to see if the change works. I hope Rhaenyra still makes some bad decisions.
@jclaburn
4 ай бұрын
@@aryaisthebest6540 Maybe with good writing they can make her as good as Nettles, but the great thing about Nerrles was that she wasn’t raised a Targaryen or member of a great house!
@SRosenberg203
3 ай бұрын
There's also the point that if Nettles *doesn't* have any Dragon blood, that's basically a confirmation that it isn't needed to bond a dragon. Theoretically, can do it with patience and by earning the dragon's trust. And that's the entire point of the story: there isn't some super special snowflake who was destined to save the world before they were ever born. There are just people, some of them doing their best of the world and others out for themselves. Cutting Nettles basically doubles down on the dumbass prophecy narrative, where the Targaryens are the super special savior heroes whose blood makes them important. And the entire purpose of GRRM's story is to fucking undercut that notion and subvert the traditional archetype of the "chosen hero". Cutting Nettles is a huge mistake, though honestly it's not surprising given the focus they put on the prophecy last season.
@thomasjanow1502
4 ай бұрын
Yeah I get ppl not liking her being cut… but even in the book pppl don’t know if nettles is daemons lover or his bastard daughter
@monie3558
3 ай бұрын
Whatever relation she has with Daemon, she’s not Rhaena
@abhishekdas2352
3 ай бұрын
IMO Ryan Condal and Sara Hess intentionally botched Daemon's character arc. Ryan Condal and Sara Hess are at best mediocre screenwriters who doesn't understand the concept of Grey mercurial characters. They can only understand simple-minded good and evil tropes. Book Daemon didn't abuse or murder any of his wife or lovers. Yes He was unfaithful but There was no evidence of violence against any women He married or loved. The most redeeming quality of Daemon was that He was not usurper, Despite being a great warrior and dragon rider. He was loyal to those people who He considered His kin.
@deependgirl
4 ай бұрын
Odd cut to make… I agree with you, would have been nice to see small folk being a dragon rider… they wouldn’t have to make the relationship like fire and blood.. that part could have been propaganda easily.. I mean, look what the show did to Laenor. I am not team anyone…haha I like Daemon because of Matt. Been his fan since doctor who. I knew posting about daemon could be hard and always felt that way since the moment I heard Matt was cast and knew how flawed D was. (So that is why my memes are all about blaming daemon and mocking him lol)
@WLDB
4 ай бұрын
Im ok with it, if its done well.
@Divine_Chareka
4 ай бұрын
Voice of Oldtown!! ❤
@quentongilliam5803
4 ай бұрын
Is this 100% or speculation?
@alphagerudo
4 ай бұрын
8yrs ago there is a audiobook of dance of dragons.. in Oberyns voice "she's taken to ride not only dragons" 😬😬 Pretty sad, makes it feel like Rhaenyra unrequited love.
@Divine_Chareka
4 ай бұрын
When Voice of Oldtown speak we listen 🔥
@prettycyber8332
3 ай бұрын
Did y’all forget that photo that was leaked of the dragon seeds. There was a Black girl next to high Hammer and Adam. Go back and check that out
@VoiceofOldtown
3 ай бұрын
That‘s not Nettles
@thebaron2277
3 ай бұрын
It makes sense naritivley. Rhaena does not have much to do in the Dance and Nettles does not do much in the oveall story and dispears in the end leaving her fate as a big mystery in the world. Also it was confirmed that Morning will not be in the show
@VoiceofOldtown
3 ай бұрын
Hello Ki Adi Mundi!
@danteabaddon
3 ай бұрын
If they do that, it would be like damage control from when they said that "We need black dragon riders because there is none" Nettles was a black dragon rider so yes there was a black dragon rider and the excuse to make the Velaryons black would fail, but if they cut her then they could still use that shitty excuse and call the audience racist for not liking it.
@bigbossss4l
3 ай бұрын
I think they are going to do a character swap, Nettles for Mysaria
@carastone3473
4 ай бұрын
Nothing that the show changes from the book should be considered controversial! The book was written as an in-universe history book of sorts, authored by multiple unreliable sources with reason to skew events to make themselves, or their side in the dance, look better. The book itself tells the reader this over and over! The show, on the other hand, represents us watching the events “actually” unfold firsthand. People need to stop bitching about the changes from the book, given what the concept of the book is!!
@homerc9101
4 ай бұрын
You are delusional if you think the the velaryon family was black, and the books just omited it while bringing attention to nettles skin color.
@jonathanl9229
4 ай бұрын
@@homerc9101 does it really bother you that much? The Targaryen’s are also quoted as having purple eyes in all the books- yet none do on either show.
@jonathanl9229
4 ай бұрын
Yes, that’s exactly how I view it as well. Especially given that GRRM is also an executive producer and writer on the show- I think he would be the final authority on the true accounting of his story.
@carastone3473
4 ай бұрын
@@homerc9101 - I didn't address that, dude. I addressed the general CONCEPT of the book. The Velaryens needed to look different from the Targaryens to make distinguishing them easier for the casual viewers. Why are you so triggered by the them being black? GRRM doesn't mind.
@homerc9101
3 ай бұрын
@@jonathanl9229 hahahahahaha NO
@rohaankhan7523
4 ай бұрын
No one is interested in rhaena and the story ain't gonna make sense in some aspects later on because of this change , it's a dumbass decision
@homerc9101
4 ай бұрын
Is a byproduct of the raceswap, they needed black girls riding dragons, didnt want to wait for nettles, and then failed to justify including nettles without making rhaena completly irrelevant after what happened before. Nettles was a massive fan favorite that was one of the greatests misteries in the book and added a lot of realism to the word building, to the smallfolk and tied with the origin of Valyria was as sheepers. This is just another example of forced diversity replacing the diversity that was part of the show, this is as bad as erasing stoneheart
@dbmac97
4 ай бұрын
@@homerc9101I’m wondering if you plan to cry about it until you die or if you will get over it one day many years from now. That’s one of the greatest mysteries of this comment section
@jorvanbrooks7597
4 ай бұрын
@@homerc9101 Dude shut up with that nonsense
@rohaankhan7523
4 ай бұрын
@@jorvanbrooks7597 that ain't nonsense
@baron6588
3 ай бұрын
@@rohaankhan7523 Yeah it ain’t nonsense, it’s pure idiocy.
@mohmmedakrot9663
4 ай бұрын
First man my brother
@skullknight4579
4 ай бұрын
there will always be challenger, just look at the blackfyres, tiill this day there people who still think the black dragon should'v acended the throne
@mohmmedakrot9663
4 ай бұрын
Long live the king long live the green eggon the second of his name our king long my he rule
@iSnipeJoe
4 ай бұрын
3 Sundays 👀🖤
@thedragondemands5186
4 ай бұрын
Thuso Mbedu
@VoiceofOldtown
4 ай бұрын
do you think she'll claim the Cannibal in S3?
@thedragondemands5186
4 ай бұрын
@@VoiceofOldtown no. I think Thuso will briefly appear as Nettles in one maybe two scenes at the end of the season
@VoiceofOldtown
4 ай бұрын
@@thedragondemands5186 Well, Rhaena claims Sheepstealer. If Nettles doesn't claim a dragon, I don't see the point of her being included :/
@isabellajensen9480
4 ай бұрын
She can’t claim both Sheapstealer and Morning at the same time, maybe Nettles will come in season 3
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