I don't know why Law and Shaheen after the slide have a guaranteed hit and Lee does not, like tf
@versatilelord8893
Ай бұрын
My guess is that b/c lee’s slide can also be executed with a easy 3+4 input off mist step and will reach even from range 4 And lee can still continue some pressure from it on hit too
@jarple
Ай бұрын
Ideas?: fF+2 Increased tracking. db+3 +0 on hit. db3+4 Reduce pushback on hit. b+4 and b+4,3(HMS) Increased tracking. 3,3 +4 on hit. Reduce pushback on hit. b+2,4 -5 on block (Currently -9 on block, hard to enter block due to forced HMS at -9). 2,1,3 Changed reaction on airborne hit, spins opponent mid-air (not-bound), similar to bB+4. Move is currently useless in T8. At least in T7 you could bound with it. ------------------------------------------------- New Moves: f+2,1 Now has a just frame version, which deals more damage and causes chip damage on block. HMS[1~4] (Quick input) Fast i13 mid kick, safe on block. Lee begins to punch when you input '1', but if you quickly press '4' before the punch comes out, Lee skips the punch and performs the right kick only. This gives a fast mid kick out of Hitman. Uses existing animations, not much implementation required. ------------------------------------------------- In HEAT Only: Heat Smash Deals 45 damage, up from 37 damage. df,d,DF+3 (Slide) (Perfect just frame in Heat) Knocks down on normal hit. b+1,1,2 (Perfect just frame in Heat) Reaction on hit is similar to uf3+4, leads to guaranteed damage. Knocks down opponent onto their back with feet in the air, they can not quickly back roll after being hit. b+1,1+2 (Perfect just frame in Heat) Reaction on hit is similar to uf3+4, leads to guaranteed damage. Knocks down opponent onto their back with feet in the air, they can not quickly back roll after being hit. f+2,1 (Perfect just frame in Heat) Reaction on hit is similar to uf3+4, leads to guaranteed damage. Knocks down opponent onto their back with feet in the air, they can not quickly back roll after being hit. fF+2 (Perfect just frame in Heat) Reaction on hit is similar to uf3+4, leads to guaranteed damage. Knocks down opponent onto their back with feet in the air, they can not quickly back roll after being hit. As you can see, when in Heat, Lee's hard hitting fist options knockdown the opponent for follow up damage (only if perfect JF).
@TheShockHaven
Ай бұрын
Definitely agree with these buffs. At least a couple of these would make character match ups much more manageable/tolerable. Unless I’m a god of destruction rank, it’s nigh impossible to beat these damn Nina, jin, dragonuv etc players on full autopilot 🤦🏾♂️. So far at Kishin tho. Much respect for these vids. Update: Bushin now 🫡
@kilejeson
Ай бұрын
You got It bro, just stay practicing hard and you gonna be able to get, be patient and with time you gonna have GoD.
@jovannyahumada7867
Ай бұрын
He feels underwhelming in those matches for sure. You have to block for five minutes and know when to sidestep to beat those characters. I jumped from bushin to tekken emperor because of all the research I’ve done. You’ll get there just keep labbing your most common matches. 🫡
@TheShockHaven
Ай бұрын
Appreciate yall fellas man 🤝🏾. I try not to take games to heart, but those types of characters def grinds my gears. I’ll stay labbing/practicing🫡. Goal is to hit tekken king and maybe stop there 😂 ranked is stressful as hell lol.
@lpvgs-817
Ай бұрын
claudio I think is one of lees worst matches I do decent against the others but claudio OMG
@TheShockHaven
Ай бұрын
@@lpvgs-817 I’m pretty decent against Claudio, at least in my experience they all do the same stuff 🤣, but let me not jinx myself lol.
@firstdegreesports5120
Ай бұрын
making hitman 4 a snakedge would be a game changer you already have to be in an entire stance just to use it and it would cause hitman to really keep opponents on their toes.
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's tracking is dong for it to be a sweep
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
I have a couple of ideas: 1. Slightly improve tracking and range on his crucial pokes like DF+1, Neutal 3, DF+4, DB+3. 2. Make slide 2 frames faster and the JF version +5 on hit so we can maintain the pressure. 3. Give him a strong mid in Heat outside of FF+3. 4. Make DB3+4 i20 and DB+3 17 or 18 frames. 5. Buff his HMS, make HMS+4 i19, HMS UF+3 tracks to the right and aside from it being a Heat Engager, it should also be +4 on block. 6. Make HMS UF+4 give +13 or more like previously before the nerfs. 7. Make his punishment lethal in Heat because I doubt that they will rework his Heat Mechanic because of ease of access to the new players. 8. And make his Heat Smash do more damage and let it wall splat too, it can still stay -15 for all I care. 9. Make JF Silver Fang and the Silver Fang Cardinal's last hits on block -2 or -3. So if they don't duck and try to avoid the mix they can't take their turn easily. We should be able to move. 10. FF:2 is such a great move but it should be i15 or i16. 11. Revert B+4's pseudo homing property when transitioning into HMS. Even if they apply half of these suggested buffs, he would be a great character to play not only in online but tournaments too.
@jovannyahumada7867
Ай бұрын
It’s crazy how most of us have similar complaints 😂. I’m in agreement with number 1,3,4,and 8. They’re all great ideas but 1 and 3 are the most crucial in my opinion.
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
@@jovannyahumada7867 Yeah. I actually posted this a few weeks ago on Twitter right under GM's Tweet, but hardly anyone heeded attention. I'm still satisfied that my vision is influencing a lot of fellow Lee players, slowly but surely. 😂🌹
@leonflorence118
Ай бұрын
Just frame slide being more plus is such an obvious and easy buff that makes too much sense for them not to do it. I also thought about not guaranteeing just frames in heat but instead making them do more damage, kinda like Lidia damage when she gets 3 stacks but you get it from just frames (not braindead and execution required)
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
@@leonflorence118 Say, that's a pretty neat idea.
@leonflorence118
Ай бұрын
@@voltreo and if you got like 55 total damage from acid rain in heat it would encourage more Lee players to get it down. I really don't see enough Lees using it in T8
@IAMOP
22 күн бұрын
the one upside of doing just frames in heat is that, all moves do chip damage in heat and he can stay longer in heat but lee is not the type of character who can fully take advantage of that lol
@fightinggm
22 күн бұрын
Definitely so it makes the regaining heat off just frames wack lol
@awaisakram8573
Ай бұрын
Lee don’t need no buffs
@fightinggm
Ай бұрын
U must play the game at a low level if u feel that way
@vlonefn2192
17 күн бұрын
@@fightinggmI’m GoD and I don’t think lee needs that many buffs other than tracking
@fightinggm
17 күн бұрын
@vlonefn2192 really? What's your name and where are your videos?
@vlonefn2192
17 күн бұрын
@@fightinggm my tekken name in Japanese rn and i dont post tekken i just play
@alanlegend6751
Ай бұрын
Lee is definitely not as strong as a lot of people think, for sure but he definitely ain't bottom 3, that's a stretch. I play him myself and I'd put him at mid tier.
@dermert
Ай бұрын
Remember lees ub3 does single hot bound. I do agree with slide, just frame side knocking down would be cool. I'd take that or make slide safer. I think Lee needs some kind of super heat move like Paul's heat deathfist. This way there is a legitimate reason to use the just frames to restore heat so you can keep using that move. Maybe make mist trap a mid or a launcher?
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
Fuck that would make n 3 so strong in heat
@vladislavz1459
Ай бұрын
i would just love if lee had more just frames, maybe in heat his entire movelist became just frame for more damage/frames
@lolnight0
Ай бұрын
Make heat smash safer and deals 40 dmg like any other low heat smash. Make just frame slide knock down or more plus. Make wr3,4 more plus And give him something to do in heat instead of just ff3 Namco please buff Lee
@Hwoarrang
Ай бұрын
my poor boy lee in this thumbails😭😭💖
@joeyparker2528
Ай бұрын
I really like the idea of ff2 being a mid, and if they did that it would be fair to lose a plus frame or two. Having a plus on block mid that goes into mist step would be huge
@leonflorence118
Ай бұрын
Would be nice but every would just spam the hell out of it. Would have to lose ch property to balance that
@joeyparker2528
Ай бұрын
@@leonflorence118 you’re probably right, but at least it’s steppable. like the rest of Lee’s kit. Even if it were a mid. GM definitely had some wild ideas in this one. I like the more reasonable stuff like making the lows mildly safer and making heat smash 18 frames or something so it’s less trash.
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
Maybe they could balance it by removing the counter hit property. It just sucks to use
@henrynguyen4315
Ай бұрын
I reckon lees gimmick should be around his just frames. Give every just frame moves new properties on heat like make just frame slide knockdown on normal heat for guaranteed damage or make f+4,2 a normal launcher or some shit😊
@Frubeleq
Ай бұрын
I think Lee's main issue is that you need to put so much effort and risk almost every time while most of the characters can just spam and make you guess. Not only do you need to literally predict your opponent's moves, and you can make only like 2 mistakes per round. You have to literally know what your opponent will do to keep the pressure while the rest of the characters make you guess what they will do while they keep the pressure. Lee is in a really weird spot. He is not like super weak or anything, this games doesn't have weak characters. So many moves are just useless too, slide for some reason has no guaranteed followup while the rest of the slide chars have it. Ff2 is more than useless, I can't think of a single scenario where you would want to use this move, and they also made it just frame(?). I won't even mention the heat situation because that is just a joke, completely unusable raw heat, no followup.
@flavortownoutcast1719
20 күн бұрын
I would rework lees heat to increase the power of his just frames. That way Lee is an actual threat in heat. Just frame slide in heat could knock down. F42 could be a launcher/ch launcher, f33334,4 could not eat his bound letting him get better combos on a powerful long range whiff punisher and etc.
@afumado_5533
21 күн бұрын
As someone who mains azu and plays lee on the side, it’s rough out here😂 our running moves suck
@watchtheisolation8514
Ай бұрын
Nonononono. Lee does not need a buff. He has always been in a solid state in Tekken history
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
Not really. You are forced to rely on 1+2 in order to prevent people from stepping. Since it is rather slow, it makes your general game plan really easy to ruin
@Kjernekar
Ай бұрын
Really? All I can remember is Lee underperforming in every category. Tekken Tag 2 he was good, but nowhere near the top tiers.
@watchtheisolation8514
Ай бұрын
@@Kjernekar so His damage in t8 is underperforming? Getting a 4 different move from his move set for a wall combo is underperforming meanwhiling able to get oki?
@Kjernekar
Ай бұрын
@@watchtheisolation8514 Yippie, his has damage on combos. Now, how easy does he get vombos from spammable moves compared to the rest of the cast? The damage doesn't matter uinless it's the highest in the game when you have NO HEAT WHATSOEVER, and the worst slide, and no dangerous mid. What's he gonna do? Pray and hope the ones he faces are complete idiots that don't duck f 4, 1?
@lpvgs-817
Ай бұрын
yes this the video we needed! Lee is trash in this game he is not good!!! yet for some reason ppl think he's good smh and those ppl are typically bad at the game if you know how to play a little bit and can use a competitive character you can beat reasonable skilled Lee players. great input I agree! One my biggest issues is his tracking its soo bad man I drop combos have been side walked into damn near cross up situations where the camera moves and then flips back its beyond stupid. Part of that was the whiffing rage art too you have a clip of it I do too still saved on my PS5. my short simple list: 1. Major tracking buffs with a slight increase in range 2. Usable real heat mechanics/new moves/buffed heat smash 3. Buffed Lows 4. Revised/moveset adding bounds and new pick tools (existing move set is outdated) 5. slight damage buff, without walls lee's is laughable (in a bad way)
@MehDagon
23 күн бұрын
i think his hms moves should get buffed in heat for sure. maybe hms 4 and hms 2 faster and safer ob etc something along those lines.
@redspine2859
Ай бұрын
without changing anything in heat, if ff3 was i13 instead of i14, he would have access to a legitimate i14 standing launcher in heat with a frame perfect, which would be cool af
@303Smilezzz
Ай бұрын
The JF slide knocks down on hit. Buff heat smash damage. One more tracking move.
@CatNabs74
Ай бұрын
They need to change his Heat Smash because it's unusable and replace it with a rush like Jin's. They also need to modify his Parry so that it can counter high kicks. The 334 move is too difficult for most players to execute; it should be made slightly more accessible.
@Yokoso-kj7ij
Ай бұрын
I appreciate you GM 🤝🏼
@silver_dem0n525
Ай бұрын
Yeah Lee has it a little rough but buffs would just ruin him for me
@leafygreensmusic
Ай бұрын
I would really low just frame knockdown slide or with tracking, ff2 mid is dope and just give him a damn mid heat smash, +4 on running 3,4 would be dope too especially because then a jab would trade the 14f moves and at worst all Lee gets is df1 if they mash or they're good at confirms df3,3. HIs heat is very frustrating because its like you're in heat....so what
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
I think the JF version of slide being more plus on hit would be better for Lee than a knockdown, because that way he can maintain the pressure and apply mind games, while knd is good too but it will reset the neutral. His Heat definitely needs to be looked at, most useless Heat mechanic apart from Heat Recovery from JFs. I found out that King can recover his Heat too with perfect input/old input throws and he still has good gimmicks aside from just the heat recovery.
@jovannyahumada7867
Ай бұрын
He does have the weakest slide in my opinion and is exposed durning the movement. This change for slide is a good idea.
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
@@jovannyahumada7867 I have suggested couple of ideas in the comments section, you should see them imo.
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
What if they gave b2 a mid followup so that it would have more options and effectively usage in neutral
@Yzaias15
Ай бұрын
for another option from hitman i head someone say a stance heat smash could probably be added. tbh i think it's a cool idea since it would also help give hms more options. and yeah idk why lees heat smash is so bad. b33 is more powerful than heat smash at this point!
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
wr3,4 should be +4 on block without HMS.
@zerohikari2685
Ай бұрын
Useless buff. At +4 he still has the same issue he has at +3. No way to safetly stop the opponent from mashing. What he REALLY needs is for 22 to be safe like the 2nd hit of every other i10 CH jab string in the game.
@voltreo
Ай бұрын
@@zerohikari2685 Nope, it's not useless. At +4 they can't crouch jab to break pressure, and we can frame-check them on both sides with DF+1 and DF+4. Plus, it solves another problem of transitioning into HMS after wr3,4, it gives +6 currently so a lot of people micro ss block to avoid the next mix after HMS1+2 which is the only move that's supposed to not let them move even an inch. That +4 without HMS will be +7 with HMS which will deal with this aforementioned problem too. 🙌🏻
@zerohikari2685
Ай бұрын
@@voltreo No one is going to be afraid to swing against your 10 damage i13 mid. This is why b+33fn still doesn't work as a good pressure tool at +4. We don't need more + frames we need tools to keep people honest.
@Whit3WolfXArcadia
Ай бұрын
People will still complain about any changes that lee gets,
@mrmister9860
Ай бұрын
just make everything track lol
@SWORDU
Ай бұрын
No slide move should be -13. Keep it -15 and give him a follow up from slide like shaheen and law
@fightinggm
Ай бұрын
It isnt a regular slide though smh.it don't knockdown and is only plus 3 on hit and doesn't even track so dunno why u think it should be -15 still
@SWORDU
Ай бұрын
@@fightinggm i said give him a follow up like the other characters
@Edicted.
Ай бұрын
Should just make D3 track SSL again but remove the CH launch and instead give HMS4 or Blazing Kick as a dollowup. And also why tf does Lee's DF1 not have the high crush property anymore? Revert that
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
Because Namco hates us. Though I was able to duck one high recently and retort with it
@DEANDRE_DTS
Ай бұрын
Lee deserves some love because in Tekken 7 Lee never got any love Why Harada?
@mzmc3020
Ай бұрын
- Mid Heat smash in Sway to mixup with low heat smash - Float combo if regular slide is blocked (similar to Law Shaheen) - JF Slide 25 damage and KD - B1 2 , B1 22, F2 1 all become engagers - D3 0 on hit, Db3 +1 on hit - Buff Lee movement to Drags level
@lpvgs-817
Ай бұрын
nah buff it to lili level lol she and alisa have the best movement in the game... man this game is so busted have you seen the movement tier list? kzitem.info/news/bejne/1JhmroaAh3WCiWU
@ToukyRakotoarisoa
Ай бұрын
lee will be buffed ? 😳
@Rapidcanvas
Ай бұрын
Raven first 🙏🏾
@fightinggm
Ай бұрын
That character is broken doesn't need buffs
@Rapidcanvas
Ай бұрын
@@fightinggmyeah broken as his moves don’t even work properly
@Beekeeperx3
24 күн бұрын
Wtf raven broken? What do you consume besides weird anime stuff
@fightinggm
24 күн бұрын
@Beekeeperx3 u eat massive chip damage by safe shadow clones in heat and he has a plus frame running move launcher in heat that on block u eat a 5050 and if u get hit u eat a full combo. That character is crazy in heat
@vlonefn2192
17 күн бұрын
@@fightinggmeven arslan had raven at bottom tier tho?
@lomainzz
Ай бұрын
his heat always sucked he doesnt get any ex moves
@fightinggm
Ай бұрын
Yea bro they need to give him ex moves
@INSane22ZA
Ай бұрын
I feel his "just frame" moves like Acid Rain should work by mashing. Current inputs not meant for T8. I think let these work the same as f4,1 where the just frame is better frames or damage but doesn't stop the move from coming out. Also I think even just adding a safe mid heat smash and a mid armor move (T7 b3+4 please) will make him way better.
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
The fact they made the armor move high in this game is beyond me
@jovannyahumada7867
Ай бұрын
I believe his power crush b34 needs better tracking and should be a mid in order to stop people from mashing. Db34 should be 17 frames so it could be used to fish for more counter hits with it plus it’ll allow us to change up our timing since db3 has similar frames. Lastly, his just frame slide is also not worth the amount of effort. We get nothing in return… just do a regular slide. A knock down would be more rewarding since we do get launched for it being blocked.
@leichaobla
Ай бұрын
Bro if they give him all you showed in the video lee's gonna be the top 1 char in the game
@lostdreamer50
Ай бұрын
nope
@ZayaVII
Ай бұрын
when did he say he wants every single change in the video at the same time? He's quite literally explaining glaring weaknesses Lee has with visual proof and providing examples that can fix those weaknesses
@darkninja9499
Ай бұрын
Dragunov Nina Hwoarang Needs a major tonedown first
@jovannyahumada7867
Ай бұрын
It’s just ideas for buffs he’s throwing out .
@robby6382
Ай бұрын
I don't think this was a full list of changes. He basically is proposing things that they could do, and if the devs even follow up with 2 or 3 of these changes, I think everyone would be happier
@Ree301
17 күн бұрын
They should either add additional properties to successful just frames while in heat, or just crank the damage.
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