I still choose cable discs over hydraulic on my commuting/winter/touring bikes for two reasons you haven't mentioned.... 1. Hydraulic fluid is hygroscopic so I used to find I had to constantly service hydraulic brakes when used regularly in UK winter (ie wet!) conditions to let out a bit of fluid to prevent over-filling and then replace the fluid as eventually the water content would lead to corrosion internally. You get none of this with cable discs which are generally more robust. 2. The UK winter roads are usually wet AND gritty/muddy. Hydraulic discs run with minimal pad to disc clearance (though the latest Shimano 12 speed ones are much better) so in such conditions you constantly get debris between the pad and disc, until you brake to clean it up. With cable discs however, and mostly I use TRP Spyre or Spyre SLC's, you can individually adjust the clearance of each pad, so at the start of winter I open up the clearance slightly to prevent 'rub' in gritty conditions. I also have a set of Hy-Rd's and they are awesome - the feel of a full hydraulic but allowing you to use a mechanical groupset. As you say though they are a bit heavy and on the rear you have to be really careful with clearance as many frames, especially smaller frames, cannot accommodate them. For my 'best'/summer bike I still prefer the overall performance of full hydraulics but I can lock up a tyre with my rim brake bike just as easily as I can with the cable discs and just as easily as I can with the hydraulics... It's just the lever/finger load that changes.
@Rossingiol
7 ай бұрын
Only DOT fluid is hygroscopic, and that is by design. Mineral oil as used by Shimano is hydrophobic.
@FurySpyder
7 ай бұрын
@@Rossingiol true, yes. My problems in the past were with SRAM hydraulics, but in general, due to reliance on close fitting pistons etc, I find any hydraulic brakes a bit less robust to constant wet/winter/road salt conditions and therefore needing attention. My cable disc brakes are mostly fit and forget!
@TheSpaceBrosShow
7 ай бұрын
Hope is also dot. Trp, Shimano and a bunch of others are mineral oil
@nelsonglover3963
7 ай бұрын
I really don't understand point 1, how is water getting into your brake fluid? The only way I am aware is if it condenses out of the tiny bit of air in the resevoir.
@FurySpyder
7 ай бұрын
@@nelsonglover3963 just that. It happens gradually over time, either via the reservoir vent or anywhere else, e.g. around the callipers etc wherever tiny amounts of moisture can get in. Eventually the volume increases and the system is over filled with fluid and you have to flush it through and start again.
@quasimal
7 ай бұрын
Shout-out to Growtac disc brakes. Fantastic mechanical brakes that have near 0 risk of overheating unlike even the most premium mech-hydro brakes.🙂
@tahoeclimber
7 ай бұрын
Bought the TRP HY/RDs simply because the idea of moving the reservoir away from the lever and to the brakes made sense and seemed easier to work on. Love em! You're only losing some power in the flex of the cables but it's a road bike, you don't need insane single finger braking power
@nubee.pkunite
4 ай бұрын
that's why compressionless cable set is the best partner for this, 90% hydraulic feels and the modulation is there. worth it
@EuanHenry
5 ай бұрын
I used these same TRP HY/RD with jagwire compressionless brake housing and I too was very impressed with them.
@MuttCG
7 ай бұрын
I upgraded to a TRP hybrid and really like it. The only thing I didn't like is the lever travel, so I bought a slightly thicker disc brake from Magura Storm HC and that really helped to make them closer to fully hydro.
@nubee.pkunite
4 ай бұрын
it's adjustable
@writejoenow
7 ай бұрын
The HY/RD episode! I bought a trek domane back in 2015 and it came with these brakes. They have always performed very well. I recently tried to upgrade to full hydro ultegra 8000. What a pain! I should have left the HY/RDs alone. I have to put them back on the bike.
@kadengolda2373
7 ай бұрын
Skill issue
@AlvinnVanAert
7 ай бұрын
I also have HY/RDs on my 2015 Felt F5X, they are still running strong.
@qwertyazerty2137
7 ай бұрын
What's the pain with that Ultegra ? I am Just curious wity nothing mean on my mind.
@testtest-ol3yi
7 ай бұрын
thisssss lmao@@kadengolda2373
@rizzlerforthergyatt
7 ай бұрын
Welp time to kill myself i guess@@kadengolda2373
@dillroastington
7 ай бұрын
Mechanically operated hydros are my favorite for touring and adventure bikes. You get almost the performance of hydros and the repairability of cables.
@TheUnrevealer
5 ай бұрын
I want hydraulic rim brakes.
@sethg4584
4 ай бұрын
No, get help.
@iboofer
4 ай бұрын
Magura
@philipcaldwell3187
5 ай бұрын
These things are well engineered, precision manufactured and my # 1 pick for reliability and ease of maintenance, no other competitors out there. Well done TRD!
@StickmanAirsoftPH
7 ай бұрын
The problem with these hy/rd in hotter climates is that reservoir is close to the calipers therefore heating up the fluid and making it less effective in braking.
@Platypus_Warrior
4 ай бұрын
Just to play devil's advocate here, as an outdated bike mechanic I think rim brakes are underestimated. Disc brakes are heavier, better for wet conditions than rim brakes but still if you know how to adjust them, they are great and cheap. The video really lacks considering weather conditions, Cable brakes can vibrate in wet much more likely than full hydraulic I think. With rim brakes in wet conditions, I like to graze the pads to the wheel regularly while riding to warm the pads and dry the rim so that when I brake it bites well from the beginning. People spend so much at times while knowledge and maintenance is about 75% of what a bike needs with its exposed mechanic to work well. I could keep on (expensive aluminum packed gels vs banana, 2x11 groupset vs 3x9, ...) Historically road cycling didn't do much for tech compared to MTBs where disc brakes really makes sense and for a commute bike, you are much more likely to get it stolen with shiny discs than regular old fashion light rim brakes ;)
@DavidRichards-qj3fg
7 ай бұрын
I've been using the HY/RD for 3 years on a summer road bike, a winter road bike and my gravel bike. They are brilliant. Just like calliper brakes they need adjustment to take account of cable stretch which is a 5 min job with an allen key and pliers. Oh and 3 years in and haven't even needed to replace the brake pads on bikes that have each done c5,000 miles over that time.
@paulmorrison30
7 ай бұрын
I’ve had these on my cyclocross bike since 2015 and they are absolutely amazing and I ride in all weathers 👊🏾🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
@mrx1979ua
7 ай бұрын
I use TRP pure mech disk and have never had a single issue. Thousands of kms, dozens of
@themoss7115
15 күн бұрын
Biggest advantage of hydraulic brakes is not the braking power itself, but rather what it allows you to do at the other end. More raw stopping power and no cable slack gives you freedom to design perfect brake levers for the situation. Everything between brake pads and lever is basically a gearbox, and hydraulics has almost no loss in comparison to cable. You can trade between finger effort and lever throw very easily. But for average joe on a road bike, RELIEABLE mechanical disk brakes are good enough and definitely better than bad hydraulic brakes for the same cost.
@blze0018
Ай бұрын
I was really debating what to do to upgrade my old BB7s on my touring/commuting bike, converting it to full-hydro with the rear IGH was going to be eyewatering. Thanks for the tests and breakdown, definitely upgrading to these over the winter.
@grantnyenes3742
7 ай бұрын
Great video Luke, quality of production really shows
@RAG0407
7 ай бұрын
Love your work. Never thought someone could be that excited about tech from 2013. Brakes r exciting😊
@MrKin92
7 ай бұрын
I had these juin techs, trp hyrd as well as most of the common branded chinese half hydraulic caliper. TRP was the closest to the actual hydraulic brake. Just a note to those who wants to use these calipers, make sure your shifter has sufficient cable pull. TRP HYRD is designed with Shimano SLR EV cable pull. Else you will not be able to brake even when your lever touches the handlebar!
@Ob1sdarkside
7 ай бұрын
I have mechanical on my commuter, changed the pads, and the stopping was superb
@tomcruz3774
7 ай бұрын
The existing groupset use case is definitely me. I have a pair of brake levers that fit my hands perfectly, friction shifters that basically work with any derailleur, brakes are the only thing that need new parts.
@johnmaheu4037
7 ай бұрын
Luke, great video. From my experience Growtac Equal are the best mech disc brake on the market. Light, good looking and essentially hydro power. But they are expensive and you likely can get the 105 11-speed hydro for their price.
@trevekneebone369
7 ай бұрын
I'm considering changing my Ultegra full hydro brakes for Growtac Equals. Sick to death with sticky pistons and the need to bleed hydros.
@lg.studio
7 ай бұрын
The Triban RC520 from Decathlon uses them with 105 R7000 leavers. My Wife has one. They are really good.
@wspmjw
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the test. I have a 2018 Moots with mechanical Ultegra, including a mechanical disk setup. The statement about mech. disks not being better than rim brakes is pure hokum. The mechanical disks are far superior to rim brakes, especially during Rocky Mountain descents. All of this without the increased maintenance and concern about air bubbles in the system, especially at altitude.
@paullevy-adophy9198
6 ай бұрын
THE ULTIMATE TEST I have watched I think all of your brake testing but I think now is the time to do the ULTIMATE TEST which I suggest would be this: 1) Standard mechanical disk brake caliper (the types where only one piston actually moves) with standard brake cable housing. - vs - 2) TRP Spyre Mechanical Disk Caliper (these have TWO moving pistons) in conjunction with Jagwire Pro Compressionless Brake Housing & Pro Slick Cable -vs - 3) Juin Tech hybrid brake caliper (hydraulic caliper that is cable actuated) and again using the Jagwire cabling -vs- 4) TRP HY/RD (the caliper you highlight in the video above) along with the Jagwire Kit -vs- 5) Full standard (i.e. two piston) hydraulic brake system. I think such a test in one comparative video would give a clear picture of exactly where these different braking systems stand against each other. My personal take on it is that, the reason mechanical disc brakes have such a bad rep is down to urban myth based on 99.9% of people who have used mechanical disc brakes have used that pile of junk that I describe at option 1 above. It should be pretty obvious why those things are bad (relying on just one piston & pad which has to physically move the disc rotor over to the other pad). Once you get to option 2 (TRP Spyre calipers (TRP Spyke for mountain bikes)) then braking improves exponentially. Also, nearly all mechanical brake setups use standard "squishy" cable housing rather than Jagwire or Yokozuna Compressionless housing; Compressionless brake housing makes a huge difference. Hopefully, you'll take up my suggestion. It will be VERY interesting to see.
@jakel2837
6 ай бұрын
I had an ebike for a while that came with mechanical disc brakes. The bike weighed like 100lbs, so i wanted to upgrade the brakes. The problem is i couldn't afford to buy a full hydraulic system. I found these wierd hybrid hydraulic calipers, that blew me away. They linked to the mechanical cables, but had an internal hydraulic resevoir. I cant say if they were anywhere near hydraulic as the bike was lost in a fire before i could upgrade it, but they worked way better than the mechanical calipers it came with
@alexwang3854
3 ай бұрын
One thing to note: if your bike's rear triangle is somewhat compact, that cable lever might interfere with your frame.
@isaks3243
6 ай бұрын
I'm a mountainbiker and I lover my 4 pot hyudraulic brakes with cintered brake pads. incredible stopping power no matter long the hill is. but being a mountainbiker who is oriented towards gravity riding makes it sound like such tiny discs when you're talking about 140mm rotors. I got rid of my 180 rotor in the back of my bike in favor of a 200mm rotor
@stevenr5149
7 ай бұрын
I ride JinTech GT- 4 piston. Love em. More than powerful enough. Great modulation as well(I use Yozozuna reaction cable). Not sure 6 piston is necessary-at least for me at 114lbs as a casual rider.
@Onroulelaboule
7 ай бұрын
I have a 6 pistons on my front brake. It is about 25% more powerful then the 4 pistons. The 4 pistons is very very good.
@johntheman2006
5 ай бұрын
Great video. The one I was looking for in detail and clarity. I’ve already ordered a set of HY/RDs and can’t wait to fit them.
@graemewoodward
7 ай бұрын
Avid BB7 fully mechanical disc brakes do a pretty fine job. More than 12 years of reliable and effective service on my commuter bike and counting. The biggest thing they miss out on vs fully hydraulic discs on my other bikes is feel and modulation. Still pretty good vs rim, but not as good as hydraulic.
@MaciejZawadzki-eMZi
6 ай бұрын
Technically they are fully hydraulic as it is oil pressure that moves pads, only difference is that they're cable actuated. A wee disclaimer, I do own a bike with them.
@andrewwhite1065
7 ай бұрын
As good as they are, they look bulky which usually means heavy. Will try a pair on my e-scooter if there's room and possibly a larger quality rotor as well. Great review, as i was recently told by a shop owner that there were no decent combo units available.
@bbrod14
6 ай бұрын
This is also great for Shimano Claris/Sora/Tiagra upgrades. I have a gravel bike with Claris, a dynamo hub, racks and mounted mud guards where the only real weakness as a training/winter/commuter bike is the cable disc braking. These calipers would save me the hassle and cost of upgrading to Tiagra/GRX/105 hydraulic,
@forthphoto
7 ай бұрын
I have those calipers in my 2016 gt grade and I really like them. They're paired with 105 groupset.
@glennicol1361
7 ай бұрын
I must admit quite a nice piece of engineering.
@igortrajkov2791
7 ай бұрын
I have the same ones on my gravel bike. Oh man do they stop immediately. I had a crash in 2022 just because I underestimated their stopping power. I pulled hard on the rear brake and immediately it locked up, causing me to slide few meters before crashing on my left side on the pavement. Two years later, the same brake pads, no issues with the oil inside, little more experience and respect for these brake calipers. The only down side is that the original TRP pads are too expensive (upwards of 20€), but you can swap them for Shimano B05S.
@ByteBound
7 ай бұрын
Despite what some roadies say about mech brakes these are perfect for a touring setup. Spent 5 months in Europe and Canada with these on my Sutra and couldn’t fault them 👌Easy maintenance when needed and never had issues with overheating even during a descent at Stelvio
@AG-el6vt
7 ай бұрын
The thing is, once you lock up the wheels, it's up to the rubber/ground friction to stop you. If you have crappy brakes, like you said in the intro, you won't even get to skid. Hard braking is two steps: initially slow down with brakes, and if your brakes are good enough, they decelerate you enough, and then tyre friction takes over. So I think the tyre limits to how quickly you can slow to a stop. And the interesting bit for me is: if your brakes are good enough, there is not much real-world difference between good (powerful enough) brakes. Of any flavour. And that includes good rim brakes.
@jambojc1
7 ай бұрын
I’ve got them on my genesis with 180mm rotors and I can’t fault them. When bled properly they perform stunning. Good review love the vids man
@williamdanielhunt5567
7 ай бұрын
I still use cable discs on my gravel bike, I admit that they are not quite as powerful as my hydro road bike brakes but and this is the kicker it's NOT far off. The key, I think, is to use the correct setup so basically junk the pre-installed brake housing and use compressionless brake housing (SL pro etc) and I also find decent aftermarket pads really make the difference. With those 2 changes my brakes are 90% of my hydros and cost about 30% cost. I should add I am 6ft and 96kg and with proper setup and 160mm rotors my cable diac brakes are still powerful enough to send me over the bars if I so wish!
@MerlinMan1579
7 ай бұрын
I used the TRPs' for many years, but after getting frustrated with the bleeding process I got a set of Sram Bb7 cable actuated calipers and they are superb, heaps of power, good modulation and very easy to tune as the pads wear. Be good to see you review these.
@cegalleta
7 ай бұрын
the best value for road bikes and gravel is usually 2x10 or 2x11 so people often buy those with mechanical disk brakes for 1/3 of the more modern 12 speed option and put hybrid calipers on them. Thought it was pretty much the standard budget option these days
@porkadobo813
7 ай бұрын
I have the trp full mech caliper + sram apex lever + dura-ace cable. Perfect!
@bonbonflippers4298
7 ай бұрын
I've had my Juin Tech for over a year. I ride in the rain and have done an emergency braking once going down a ramp loaded with stuff on my touring bike. The brakes worked fine avoiding a head-on Collision with a stupid service truck that blocked the whole pathway.
@RAP4EVERMRC96
7 ай бұрын
They were on a bike I tested and oh boy do they have braking power and I love how they feel. I took note of the calipers hoping I can somehow put them on my bike, because let me tell you, they feel and brake way better than SRAM axs eTap.
@mateuszbrzozowski3019
6 ай бұрын
Hi mate! Pleasent material overall! Not to challenge the performance of these breaks I need to say that a proper breaking test should include both bikes on the same tyre (model, wear and pressure). Actually it should not be so complex to swap and use one wheelset if u had them set up for the same rotor sizes :) unless the tyres were same and u just didnt cover 😅
@joeydonasco7898
7 ай бұрын
There are good options for mechanical disc brakes. But you should have a good combination of the whole break system. Cable: BC9000 Pads: BC05s Caliper: Tektro C550, TRP Spyre Disc: RT26 You will definitely get the modulation and locking of wheelset during hard braking.
@neilgoth1974
7 ай бұрын
I've been using the Hy/Rd since 2018 as I run separate mechanical brake levers and Dura Ace bar end shifters. Still going strong. Compressionless housings and mixed pads on each (sintered for inner pads and resin/semi-metallic on the outer pads).
@GT-sc5sk
6 ай бұрын
Interesting , why the mix.?
@neilgoth1974
6 ай бұрын
@@GT-sc5skfrom the Shimano website: Mix it up "Some of the top professional racers in the world, including some members of the famed Santa Cruz Syndicate downhill mountain bike team, often run mixed brake pad set-ups. The idea is that since the inner brake pad typically wears quicker than the outer, you run a metal brake pad on the inside and resin on the outside. This allows riders to reap benefits of both the materials while minimizing drawbacks."
@GT-sc5sk
6 ай бұрын
@@neilgoth1974 cool, thank you
@zanixxg
7 ай бұрын
Thats TRP for you. Always delivering.
@alexandermostowfi9884
7 ай бұрын
Have a 105 mechanical disk CX bike i bought (before gravel was a thing but i wanted a fast pot hole resistant commuting bike which could do some light trails) and got these to upgrade the avid mechanical callipers it came with. Thanks for saving the 🐸
@garyroberts5478
2 ай бұрын
Hello again Luke, - just watched this video again and dropped the bomb on a single caliper for the front - fairly happy with a non hydraulic on the rear but as you rightly infer, for the front, a hybrid like this one or full hydra' is a must have. A Joy again to watch and Please keep on producing these Great and informative videos in your inimitable style.
@charlesblithfield6182
7 ай бұрын
I have the Juin hybrid type mech brakes I installed on a new bike and they are excellent. I recommend compressionless brake cable housing for the best performance. I like them because they are easy to set up, adjust, and if need be, repair.
@unionholdingsnightingale8248
7 ай бұрын
Just note that the added reservoir makes the overall caliper taller and will not clear some frames, especially those with lower sloping seat stays. Otherwise, they are great! You can adjust pad clearance with the built in cable tensioner just like regular rim brakes!
@kristiaandoms2822
7 ай бұрын
160mm rotors front and rear make the difference. I am running 140mm rotors front and rear and I can feel the braking with a 160mm on the front rotor is much better.
@ThePawelekPawelek
7 ай бұрын
The rear brake doesn’t count, it make maybe 20-30% of braking.
@Omar411269
7 ай бұрын
@@ThePawelekPawelek agreed. Look at motorcycle brake rotors. Front is always massive sometimes dual rotors. Rear is tiny.
@fewik8567
2 ай бұрын
That's the same with all vehicles, race cars will have disks twice the size of the rear and sometimes double the pistons. All the weight is shifted to the front of the object when braking.
@Daniel-yf9iy
6 ай бұрын
I have these on my Kona Rove DL and I have no issues.
@shadesinblack1
7 ай бұрын
Just bought these, need to install them still. Looks like I made the right choice. Very specific in my case. I ride a trike and only have my left hand. I have been using a doyble lever for a long time. So the one lever for 2 cables for front and rear brake. I found a few fully hydraulic options for 1 lever, but really expensive. Plus I prefer if one brake fails I still have the other one. When a fully hydraulic double lever fails because of a leak or so, all baking power is gone.
@nelsonlopez879
Ай бұрын
I have mechanical on mountain bike, they work greatly
@binitbob
7 ай бұрын
As someone who builds up my bikes with framesets and kit I have. In the last 2 years I bought a disk frameset (as rim was not available) but didn't want to ditch my DA DI2 11sp setup. I ended up getting the JuinTech F1 calipers and tbh they were fantastic. Locking my brakes on 1 occasion saving myself and bike from a very serious sudden stop with a wall. As a mere mortal non pro these calipers offer a great alternative to having to ditch a fully working rim geoupset for a very reasonable cost. It's not just the outlay it is the waste of a perfectly good geoupset that grips my sh1t. I have no need to 12 or 13 speed so to have an alternative option is ideal. 🥖🥖🥖🥖
@CharlieMetcalf
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the recent videos of you testing. I asked and you delivered. thank you
@matt_acton-varian
7 ай бұрын
Hydraulic discs are available down to all but the most entry level bikes. Anything fitted with Claris or Sora have mechanical discs because they are cable braking only. Tiagra has a hydro option but the cable brake levers have been used for cost saving when installed OEM.
@IceGene
7 ай бұрын
I don't know if you'd tried them already, but a Tektro C550 is pretty great for a fully mechanical disc brake caliper. Basically a slightly cheaper TRP Sphyre. Clamps on pretty much like a dual piston caliper (which it actually is). I almost OTB'ed when I pulled the front brake pulling into parking at a cafe one time. I trusted them on long descents too.
@kevinpeterman7127
7 ай бұрын
It looks like the lever pushing on the master cylinder could have a ramp to it. I can't tell but if it does that would help with the feel. Also, the gasket shape is very important. It creates a volume for the oil to expand into by "breathing". As the oil expands it pushes on the gasket that has a volume of air on top (which should be vented somehow). Many years ago (measured in decades) I used to race in some pretty hilly terrain. I distinctly remember going down a mountain with 120 people in a giant pack at 60 mph and nobody had or needed disc brakes. Why do we need them now? 🥖🥖🥖☕☕☕
@shmu_el
7 ай бұрын
Just having so much more heating mass will help cooling and prevent brake fade immensely. Haven't seen anything like it 😅
@hockysa
7 ай бұрын
mechnical hydraulic brakes this is a perfect solution for my fixie where I'm only running front brake.
@Shoshuten
4 ай бұрын
I recently switched from rim brakes to mechanical discs and the disc brakes are noticeably better, especially at higher speeds/downhill.
@henku14
6 ай бұрын
I was also happy with these brakes on my new bike. However, after 4000 km one of them stopped working at temperatures below 5 degrees, I went to the service to refill it, It worked for another two months and then started leaking oil. 👎
@2EOGIY
7 ай бұрын
20:04 He was coming back home. Only the road separated him from the place he was living and then some entity took him away deep into the forest.
@Psyden5757
6 ай бұрын
I found it really weird when you said mechanical disc brakes were considered worse than v-brakes for some people, and also when you mentioned the average experience with bad disc brakes I just have some random/cheap "sypo vigorous" mechanical disc brakes, and they just brake really good, my wheels lock up easily I feel like maybe most bad mechanical brake experiences are due to people not properly tuning their brakes, on my bike i just screw in the pads as close to the disc without rubbing (1mm or so) and set the cable tension on the levers right so they don't bottom out touching the handlebars
@djiembefolaDan
7 ай бұрын
I used the TRP HY/RD brakes on a road/gravel build a few years back. They worked without problems and still are actually. Not quite as strong as full hydraulic brakes but otherwise quite good.
@edgefx1
6 ай бұрын
should do a comparison between the cheap zoom ones on ebikes vs the expensive ones on road and mtb bikes
@escallep
7 ай бұрын
Cable operated hydraulic disc brake calipers (with integrated expansion reservoir) : 1997 AMP Research And extremely light !
@Glutzie
7 ай бұрын
Oh great YT gods push this to the top. Thank you
@timjames4562
7 ай бұрын
Hi Luke, did you ever test the Juin tech GTF four pot calipers. I have a set on one of my road bikes and i think they are pretty impressive. Not as good as fully hydraulic but pretty damn close. Would be interested in what you think of them.
@LieshaCichol
7 ай бұрын
My almost twenty year old city bike (somewhere between model year 2005 to 2009) have Avid (=years before they got bought out by SRAM) Juicy mechanical disc and it still stops well enough to keep me alive.
@LawrenceSeetoh
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review, the Hy/RD has always been one of the better ones out there but I am excited to see you try out the Juintech ones, the reviews for their stuff shows promise as well. I would argue that a cable actuated hydro is a good step up from a cable pulled disc brake. No everyone ( me) wants to deal with switching over to a fully hydro set up. I am happy with the Tiagra groupset I have on my bike, but would still love better braking performance and I've already switched to semo-metallic pads and compresionless housings, a cable actuated hydro brake is the last step for me. 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
@jasonxiong8259
7 ай бұрын
I think I will just stick on fully mechanical forever. If it is just me or someone else also do but I always pack two sets of shift and brake cables every time I go bike piking, this just makes me feel safer than going out with hydraulic system.
@Tom.Connolly
7 ай бұрын
Good show Luke, that last six pot caliper looks a brute of a thing! Looking forward to the road test. PS be careful heavy braking in that area on the hill that pile of mud splashed out on the tarmac could be skeckey under heavy braking. Love your commitment to cycling. Hope the new addition to the family is doing well👨👨👧🥖🥖🐸🐸🐸
@brygry
7 ай бұрын
That new juin caliper looks interesting. I see it has different sized pistons; I'm assuming that is to enable faster initial engagement and to enhance brake modulation. Looking forward to that review.
@valmorell
7 ай бұрын
Those different size pistons MIGHT change the resonance profile and therefore MIGHT reduce the propensity to squeal. The pads won't have even pressure front to back.
@latrace1986
6 ай бұрын
This was super informative
@petererbse6253
7 ай бұрын
The reservoire looks like the one that was on my cheap tektro draco brakes on my first mountainbike in 2012. You definitely made me curious, I would love to try them one day.
@JayHeartwing
7 ай бұрын
They remind me of the ones from Giant that are mounted on the handlebars. Haven't used those types of brake setups but I bet they are better than cable actuated hydraulics.
@biamarconchi
7 ай бұрын
Great job Luke, glad you're going to look at the Juin tech as well.
@Dustmadeout
7 ай бұрын
I'd like to have rear hub gearbox groupset for my gravel/citybike, but I'm probably the only person on this planet who needs this so...
@giancarloespejo2223
7 ай бұрын
I'd still choose cable disc it's just easier to service. When it comes to stopping power it boils down to the pads and disc compatibility.
@jameslowe2979
7 ай бұрын
Great episode! Really good production
@Journeyofourlife436
7 ай бұрын
The Hybrid mechanical hydraulic disc brake is still by far the best option and easy to maintain. It is a people choice.
@znicho
7 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the Juin Tech GTF-6 review! 🥖
@MTBScotland
7 ай бұрын
for the cost of those calipers I would be spending the extra for the 105 assuming you have the same 11 speed. pads can make a huge difference to stopping distance as well.
@Missinglink3003
7 ай бұрын
What about heat? I changed the cheap cable disk breaks on my gravel for those cheaper Xtech semi hydrolic breaks and they totally failed on a steap decent, the completely locked up as the oil was cooking inside. I just went the LTwoo R9 fully hydrolic route and can't be happier. Only that my gavel frame has a pm rear break so I use a Shimano SLX caliper there but it's working flawlessly with the LTwoo levers!
@KNURKonesur
7 ай бұрын
My GF got HYRD for her gravel bike a couple months ago, we haven't installed them yet cause we're waiting for spring season and more cycling into the wilderness. That 6 piston JuinTech one will be an interesting watch cause I'm just debating buying JuinTech brakes, but was wondering between the classic 2 piston ones and the GT 4 piston ones. I'm quite heavy and although mechanical disc brakes have worked decently well for the longest time, I'm keen to see what could happen with much better stopping power.
@kennethg9277
Ай бұрын
What could happen? What will happen is that one day you'll freak out at something, press the front brake at speed and fly over your handlebars Cyclists just don't need stopping power. They need anticipation and awareness
@TouchHerICutU
6 ай бұрын
For anyone cross shopping these with Juin Tech F1s, which are cheaper, there's one advantage the TRPs have over the F1s that no review has ever brought up. The Juin Tech F1 cable entry port is towards the out of the bike, whereas the TRPs cable port is closer to the middle of the bike, closer to the cable exit port on forks that take internally routed cables. This is actually very important as if you have a fork that take internal cables, you might not be able to run the cable smoothly to insert it into the Juin Tech calipers.
@rasmus80g
2 ай бұрын
On a road bike i think the tyres mean more than what type of brakes... they are so narrow any brake will lock the wheel if you justpress the leavers enough. Conclusion any brake will stop a road bike it is more about the feel... still rocking rim brakes on my road bike... (but on my mtb there is of course hydralic disc brakes just becaus you actually use the brakes in a different way)
@Hiasibua
7 ай бұрын
TRP HY/RD user for about 5000 km here. Yeah, they feel better than fully mechanical (, but I've never ridden mechanical disc for more than just a 2 minute test ride). Yeah, they're worse than fully hydraulic. Just an in-betweenie. Like exactly what you'd expect them to be. They're probably the heaviest 2 potters around if weight is your thing - at least they don't overheat that easily. Never gotten them to that point, but I'm only 63 kg myself... Never had to service them apart from changing out pads. You know what is their weakest part? The cable link! My front brake feels much better and has more power than the rear because the cable is shorter and has less bends. I'm on the third set of cables & housings for the rear brake and it's always like that. I don't hate them, because they seem to make the most of what's possible, but I don't love them either. A fully hydraulic setup is just better in my opinion. Oh, and I've only watched the first 2 minutes of the video as of writing this... Have fun out there! Rubber side down!
@philipflipflopg4065
7 ай бұрын
I have been using these trp brakes for 7 years /20,000 mile and have only just serviced them. Fit and forget
@lolbubs11111
7 ай бұрын
If you can't lock up both wheels without going over the bars, shift your weight way back. You should be able to give the hydros full squeeze and lock both tires without flipping.
@danc1513
6 ай бұрын
I'm using the same mechanical disk brake set that came with my 2004 Giant gravel bike. I've changed the pads once, in 20 years. I don't see why they should be maligned in any way.
@danielbirchett6439
7 ай бұрын
No way. I thought I was the only one who helps the frogs cross the road. Where I live in Cornwall, there are two reservoirs with a road between them. The frogs always cross this time of year.
@justsomedude7556
7 ай бұрын
The TRP HY/RD's are very nice alternative to the pure mechanical disc which I absolutely hated. I ran the TRP's for more than 3 years until I sold the bike.
@brookegravitt4117
7 ай бұрын
When the video started and you said “as always, my name is Brooke” I thought, huh, that’s weird. Then the Rapha sponsored segment started and I got concerned. Once you began the S-Works Tarmac SL-8 review I snapped awake thinking “NO LUKE, think of the baby! Your wife will unalive you for spending that much lettuce!” But for real, those TRP weirdo brakes are the kind of nonsense I’d be totally convinced to buy just because they’re neat. 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
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