Cherokee Bill’s character is so good thanks to Lakeith Stanfield man is literally one of the best actors around so underrated
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@Ubercut
Жыл бұрын
I think he is gonna explode pretty soon.
@badfoody
Жыл бұрын
for real everywhere he is in, he really goes all in
@jeffro8616
Жыл бұрын
I agree
@St3phenking13
Жыл бұрын
The characters were based on real people. They race swapped real people real black Cowboys.
@TK-International-News
Жыл бұрын
Cherokee needs his own prequel fr
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
id be down for that
@rukus9585
Жыл бұрын
Best comment ever! Completely agree. He stole the show with ease.
@DeaDiabola
Жыл бұрын
I would watch the hell out of that. He's such an interesting character. Not to mention a Cuffee spinoff. Love him.
@luffylength
Жыл бұрын
They all do, each gang deserves a prequel film
@Toemedicine
Жыл бұрын
! ! ! !
@2kolbe010
Жыл бұрын
“Why do they always count down so slow”. That’s everybody’s weakness.
@ethanhorn6093
Жыл бұрын
There is something about Lakeith Stanfield that immediately makes me pay attention whenever he comes on screen. Even in roles like in Knives Out, he's extremely memorable to me. And this movie was no different.
@jackklapman5327
Жыл бұрын
never misses
@coupleofreacts8246
Жыл бұрын
They call it stage presence, few actors have it but some just got it and Lakeith is one of them
@Neo-rm3sy
6 ай бұрын
Get Out
@RedClem
6 ай бұрын
Watch him in Girl in the Spiders Web amazing film amazing
@BetterVideoz
Жыл бұрын
The way Jim died crushed me
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
me too :(
@MsTrueTy
Жыл бұрын
Omg Yes! I'm still mad about it 😂 I love Rj Cyler. They definitely could make a prequel Netflix series on all the characters. The Harder they fall Origin Stories
@LilacJream
Жыл бұрын
YES! I kept telling people that Cherokee Bill NEVER touted himself as the quickest draw, it was always someone else saying that. Great breakdown.
@kevinfidelismarie1214
5 ай бұрын
It was all hear say
@nlk5009
Жыл бұрын
This film is so underrated. Such a shame it went straight to streaming.
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
facts
@NikkiJayArtistry
Жыл бұрын
Why do ppl say straight to streaming like it's bad.. These Netflix deals pay millions of dollars
@iMarley_
Жыл бұрын
@Nikki Jay Artistry Because its a different expirience to see a movie in the Theater, especially a well-crafted movie like this
@KGrizzly1
Жыл бұрын
It didn’t go straight to streaming I watched this in a theater with maybe 2 other people in the whole room.
@OMGmyFACE
Жыл бұрын
For me, the issue with it being on streaming is the complete lack of advertising elsewhere. I just found this 3-month old video and never even _heard_ of this movie until now and it looks so good!
@nunomartins97
Жыл бұрын
I love Cherokee Bill, but I'll never forgive him for not giving Jim Beckwourth that draw 😔
@WheelbarrowTim
Жыл бұрын
Jim was counting too slow
@yourgrandmasfavorite1199
Жыл бұрын
@@WheelbarrowTim don’t they all
@SwiperLeFox
Жыл бұрын
Nah, Jim expected Cherokee to play by his rules, and when your life is on the line, the ONLY rule, is to survive! That’s where Jim fucked up at.
@jayodawa3241
Жыл бұрын
May have tricked himself doing so
@IAmAlmightyGod
Жыл бұрын
So you'd give someone faster and better than you an unfair fair fight, just because they want to prove they're fast enough to kill you!!! Hell No!! I'm not letting you kill me because you want to prove you can. Bill was right.
@mattcampbell462
Жыл бұрын
“This film snuck under the radar” BP and WP really live in two different worlds bc this was all over my timeline for weeks lol
@complexblackness
6 ай бұрын
Lol It didn't fly under mine either.
@miracon000fez
6 ай бұрын
It was up everytime I went on netflix
@diablofrench7735
Жыл бұрын
The whole “dishonorable duel” move was also used BY John Wayne in El Dorado. The concept of an honor system being a potential weakness is an invaluable lesson that I wish was explored in more media and in a more positive light.
@partydean17
Жыл бұрын
Why?
@yuan713
Жыл бұрын
I don't know what you mean exactly by positive or negative, but in Game of thrones first trial by combat with Sir Bronn of blackwater it was explored a bit
@John.McMillan
Жыл бұрын
Only a kid with no idea thinks like the kid who wants to be the fastest. Men with experience are like Bill. As he said "It's not who's fastest, it's who's alive and who's dead." Being flashy, being fast, being confident, acting tough and cool. None of it matters against someone with a steady hand that knows when to shoot.
@Shannonmm
Жыл бұрын
But didn't he lose a draw to a girl who dressed like a dude?
@keengvictor2036
Жыл бұрын
This is a real life thing with how many young gunslingers died against a true gunfighter
@jaykisuke3397
Жыл бұрын
@@Shannonmm he really could have killed her if he didn't let her get in his head about honor.
@Shannonmm
Жыл бұрын
@@jaykisuke3397 yea but even still you killed 2 ppl with no honor at all just to give her a chance and even then you couldn't beat a girl who hadn't been in as many life threatening situations as you?
@TEEPEE7
Жыл бұрын
TRUE BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHO IS THE FASTEST BILL NEW THIS AND PULLED FIRST ON THE COUNT BECKWORTH COUNT WAS OFF OR WASN'T HE TOLD HIM ON THE COUNT OF FIVE BECKWORTH BELIEVE IN HONOR OF THE GUN BILL BELIEVE IN WHO IS ALIVE AND WHO IS DEAD. IT'S ALL FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. ALL THOSE CHARACTERS EXSIST BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD AND JIM BECKWORTH IS MY RELATED KIN HE IS FROM MY FAMILY TREE SO I PUT HIM IN THE SCRIPT AND I WORTE HIM AS A KID WHO DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP PLAYING AND TAKE THINGS SERIOUS I KNEW THAT SCENE WOULD GET A LOT OF PEOPLE PISSED BECAUSE I MADE THEM FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM FIRST JUST BY HIS SINCE OF HUMOR. 😊
@protivationsrtcartel2360
Жыл бұрын
His character was poetic. I kept replaying his scenes. Well acted and well written. Almost got sad when he bit the dust lol
@Raven7400
Жыл бұрын
I worked in set during shooting. I cleaned the bathrooms and sanitized EVERYTHING for these actors. Note: Idris Elba is a lot taller in person.
@MOMO-436
Жыл бұрын
Lol yeah he’s 6’2. People don’t realise how big that is.
@labelmeposh
4 ай бұрын
He looks huge in the movie.
@yofolkdem1256
Жыл бұрын
It's a gunfight not a tea party, opportunity waits for no one.
@JesuCristoEsDiosYSalvador
Жыл бұрын
Well it was a duel, wasnt it that times normal to make counts? But yeah in a life or death situation the most coward will shoot first.
@yofolkdem1256
Жыл бұрын
@@JesuCristoEsDiosYSalvador ain't no ref to blow a whistle, there's only the quick and the dead.
@Michaelchandlercomedy
6 ай бұрын
He never lied though. When jim asked him if he was the guy who was so quick he put two in someones back. Bill said, "nah, im the guy that shoots other guys for talking too much". Then stood on that sentiment when he was about to shoot nat in the back, by saying "do you always talk this much".
@cristoferrodriguez3153
Жыл бұрын
Oooo, I just thought of perfect comparison. In the game Ghost of Tsushima, it’s the difference between Jin Sakai (Samurai) versus Jin Sakai (The Ghost). One is bound by honor and tradition thereby causing them to lose in a head to head battle against the mongols and their leader. The other came to understand the reality awaiting those who follows the honorable path and begins to utilize everything deemed “dishonorable.” Like Cherokee Bill, it’s not about who’s bigger, stronger or faster on the battlefield. It’s about who’s throat gets cut in the dark the night before.
@johnjr578
5 ай бұрын
Playing GoT too, it's so cinematic and the fighting system is just flawless
@fahadhossain5705
Жыл бұрын
A dishonorable man died an honorable death 😭 This actor deserved more recognition for this scene
@goofistmcnutty3280
Жыл бұрын
"There is no honor in codes or death. There's only honor in victory." Fits Cherokee Bill 100%
@jpaz9084
Жыл бұрын
I'm willing to put Lakeith Stanfield's portrayal of Cherokee Bill on par with Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday. Both were tremendous.
@TY-km8hj
5 ай бұрын
His performance was a great one, no doubt, but Val Kilmer was legendary on that film so gotta disagree. Some more screen time tho and perhaps that could've been the case
@E1_DE3
Жыл бұрын
I love how Harder they Fall at the same time pays homage to the Western Genre while at the same time dismantling it. One of the best modern Westerns and probably one of my all time favorites imo.
@Hxpemare
Жыл бұрын
Cherokee bill was honorable. The problem with everyone is that duel is not a game like most people see it is. Life or death is serious and he was honorable by not tricking people and by preserving what was precious to him…. His life
@PaulSmith-nb6md
Жыл бұрын
He was honorable in some cases but he was dishonorable by cheating the count. Duels arent games for sure and Jim treated it like a game but he also respected Cherokee Bill in his own way and it was disrespectful for him to not even give him a chance. Based on the rule of the duel he was dishonorable
@Algori566
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulSmith-nb6md jim just counted to slow bill was counting in his head
@DeaDiabola
Жыл бұрын
It's interesting how Cherokee Bill's expression is one of quiet reflection and sadness every time he kills someone, or is challenged to do so. It is a crime against nature that this isn't regarded at the same level as Jordan Peele films, because so much lied beneath the surface, and the art direction was excellent. I couldn't think of a single character I didn't enjoy watching, and I loved the sequence where Mary is being told about Trudy's first kill and the only person she loved- the way she slowly, slowly peeled the apple, round and round and round. The more skin that came off, the darker the story, until the apple is entirely unpeeled ...and there is no story left to tell. It was an excellent way to flesh out her character. I have nothing but positive things to say about this movie. ps we love Cuffee in this house - The Harder They Fall says trans rights
@harleenquinzel5814
Жыл бұрын
Cuffee never identified as anything but Cuffee. Masculine women exist, tomboys exists, don't erase their existence for your ego trip.
@partydean17
Жыл бұрын
Cuffee just a cross dresser no need to go get your virtue signal
@DeaDiabola
Жыл бұрын
@@partydean17 They called cuffee a "he" throughout most of the movie and HE was treated like a man, lol. No need to try and have discussions about things you cannot or refuse to comprehend, sweaty. If you don't understand something, then instead of piping up mindlessly blathering buzz phrases you were taught to say, how about you just learn more or gee... I don't know, listen to trans people instead of acting like you're an expert. Because you're not.
@theislandparable
Жыл бұрын
@@partydean17cuffee’s sexuality seems to go a bit further than cross dressing
@partydean17
Жыл бұрын
@TheIslandParable to "go a bit further" in this context is sort of nonsense. Someone can't do so many masculine things as to become a man or more specifically a trans man. Unless cuffee said I am under the impression I am a man, or at the least I want people to believe I am one, then I'd say they are not trans. It's like if I had a friend that loved flying in their flight suit. No matter how much they do it, it would be silly of me to assert that they must be trying to become a flying squirrel. All we know is they like being in their flight suit to fly
@zod4365
Жыл бұрын
7:19 I think both ideas are correct, he uses the Art of War AND he's fast. In this scene, I think he was also done. This is why he barely moved and walked out to show all he finally passed. Because a part of him wanted that walk of "shame." Throughout the movie, he was bored with this life and genius. He had idle hands syndrome and was done with this game. There was zero joy left in playing.
@xcaluhbration
Жыл бұрын
Cherokee Bill became Saitama 🤣
@Soopology
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree. He was definitely fast. But that “fastest draw” stuff was all behind him. He needed a new game & never found it
@zod4365
Жыл бұрын
@@Soopology 100%
@wintersoldier164
Жыл бұрын
honor is fools' prize, there is no glory for the dead darth revan
@MortarMike
Жыл бұрын
Legit the FIRST thing I thought when I finished "The Harder They Fall" was "Dag, I hope Cherokee Bill gets an origin story... dude's character was magnetic throughout the whole movie, and even though he was more a Lieutenant in the Rufus Buck gang, he played his part so vividly and in-depth, that it darn near pulled energy from the main pro and antagonists of the story... dude is a hell of an actor too.... friggin NAILED this role.
@josephdedona4760
Жыл бұрын
Lakeith Stanfield's performance really stands out here even amongst superb actors like Jonathan Major , Idris Elba and Regina King.
@Blakerzzzz4
8 ай бұрын
This cast was incredible.
@100nation5
Жыл бұрын
Sir, your insight to analyze this one character is borderline genius. And one of my favorite actors Lakeith Stanfield brought him to life.
@AllikRellik
Жыл бұрын
Cherokee Bill and Jim Beckworth both need their own series. Two incredible characters. Honestly, I'd love to see a series of all characters Ina prequel.
@tylerjapal5607
7 ай бұрын
It's the fact that Cherokee Bill could've made it out alive but abandoned his art of war philosophy in an actual duel.
@17absolut
Жыл бұрын
My favorite character in this movie
@SvgeK
Жыл бұрын
Another moment is when he kills Beckwourth, and says the line, "Why do they always have to count so slow"... when beckwourth was slow counting and on 3, Cherokee Bill was already on 1
@nobeansnoparty
Жыл бұрын
This movie was fantastic imo. The acting, characters, plot, soundtrack/music. I love Westerns and was so happy after I watched it. I had no idea it was coming out or anything. Completely caught off guard but in a great way.
@Qu33n_kay22_
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering. Cherokee bill! He was my favorite in The Harder They Fall. I’ve literally watched it 20 + times. My fave western movie.
@saintmyless
Жыл бұрын
lakeith is one of my favorite actors ! probably ever ! he never misses !
@devv197
Жыл бұрын
The sheriff warned him that the flashy stuff was going to get him killed and he didn’t listen. Even if Jim was faster, Bill was the one who won.
@Bonafyde888
Жыл бұрын
Each of the gangs need their prequel
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
That would be sick!
@davidlowery2294
Жыл бұрын
I loved every character in this movie but Bill was just SO GOD DAMN COOL!!!
@DavidR-s2b
5 ай бұрын
Im just glad him and his role in that movie is being highlighted he definitely embodied the "legendary cool cowboy" to life but the twist of him just being an oppurtunist was great to keep him still realistic and to stand out amongst the cast he was with...it gave me a glimpse of why my granddad was in love with the old westerns and the whole cowboy thing
@HeadbutKneecap
Жыл бұрын
I remember thinking the same thing as I watched this film. In a quick draw Bill probably sucks, but he knows when and where to shoot and alas, his namesake. Probably how we have our stories and legends today.
@fl1ppz1de59
Жыл бұрын
This was a fire ass movie and it shows most cowboys wasn't white back then
@jeminem619
Жыл бұрын
This film is not talked about enough. Also, you earned a sub, not just for the good content, but reminding me to follow God.
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
W
@MR.FREEDMAN
Жыл бұрын
This is one of my all time favorite films.
@pt469
5 ай бұрын
Lakeith Stanfield is slowly building a character resume to rival the greats. He has been serious, funny, dark, light...his range is unbelievable when step back and look at it, easily one of the best actors of our generation...and still growning
@jeremybrown9611
Жыл бұрын
The best character surrounded by other great characters
@philleotardo8760
Жыл бұрын
This was such a badass movie.
@blvckshogun8339
Жыл бұрын
Agreed Cherokee Bill was my favorite character in the whole movie 💯
@sebastianrook5478
Жыл бұрын
History is written by the winners.
@ChoiceCreates
5 ай бұрын
This is one of the greatest movies ever. I can watch it so many times and not get tired of it. Wish someone would make more
@masterxeon1001
Жыл бұрын
i went and rewatched this classic thanks to you
@dbob3405
5 ай бұрын
I don’t think I have seen Lakeith Stanfield in any role where he hasn’t owned it. His range is amazing. I thought he deserved the Oscar as much as any actor for his role in Judas and the Black Messiah. Can’t wait to see what he does next-he is definitely well on his way to becoming one of the greats
@FinesseFisherman
Жыл бұрын
Hugely underrated movie
@billyxblanco
Жыл бұрын
I gotta rewatch this movie
@labelmeposh
4 ай бұрын
"Before he puts 2 in their BACK" explains Cherokee Bill's character as well. But what initially did it for me is when Cherokee Bill razor bladed the "hero" in the legs on the train. Tricked him into believing it was going to be a "fair" fight and quickly dismantled him.
@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460
6 ай бұрын
I have zero idea why this video was recommended to me, but I'm sure glad it was. I Love It!!!!!!!! And Cherokee Bill is my favorite character in *The Harder They Fall,* too. Lakeith Stanfield is truly a revelation. Maybe it's his eyes? There is a confident humility in his character that compels you to him even as you run away from him. Anyhoo, excellent video analysis!!! 🤗👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@marcosraphael1935
Жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite movies. It's so good. It's a shame it doesn't get more recognition. Hollywood needs more great movies like this and less superhero movies.
@mrbigscreen123
Жыл бұрын
Why does everyone put down superhero movies to make a point about other movies. There's room for everything.
@marcosraphael1935
Жыл бұрын
@@mrbigscreen123 my point is that superhero movies are the main focus of Hollywood for about 15 years now and we're tired. We want more variety, more original stories and overall better story telling. I can say majority of people are tired of the new superhero movie that comes out every single year. Meanwhile great movies like this don't get the recognition it rightly deserves.
@ThePunkLoserAlcoholic6
Жыл бұрын
Just seen the movie it was awesome underrated video
@gsolo1559
Жыл бұрын
Proud to say I’m definitely subscribing to this channel 💪🏿
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
W
@bernardweaver2416
Жыл бұрын
I hadn't even heard of this film, but now I'm pumped to watch it.
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
it's a great film :)
@PK2Fresh
Жыл бұрын
What a well-thought out analysis
@silent_oh2577
3 ай бұрын
I remember I had a girl over and I told her I mostly like movies with shock value and showed her some and she showed me this one 😭 that count down scene never left my mind and Cherokee bill was a favorite and still is
@ralphmclendon3771
Жыл бұрын
Cherokee Bill was hung by Judge Parker at the age of 20
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
RIP ✊💯
@Beeza7777
Жыл бұрын
@@TheFilmNerd he was a murderer and criminal, no deaths a good death but the best deaths are justified
@atlasprime6193
4 ай бұрын
What I love about Bill is that he’s a left handed shooter. How often do you see in movies with characters like that? I think this might be the first time I see a left handed shooter.
@chosen1470
5 ай бұрын
If beckworth was thinker he would’ve been the best he was nice with the blams forsure 😭😭😭💯
@wejuggernautentertainmentl3156
Жыл бұрын
Also, when the guy on the train wanted to throw hands after he was coerced by Cherokee, Bill, once he threw up his hands, Cherokee Bill sliced his legs with a knife putting him out of commission
@KDRtheMDDGNS
Жыл бұрын
Great analysis of a Great Character in a Great Movie! 👏🏿
@Rid_Of_Thee
Жыл бұрын
The gunplay in this movie was awesome
@HeyKay_kay
5 ай бұрын
This movie is so good I watched it back to back. 🙌
@ivegotbadtaste9181
Жыл бұрын
Props for using Old school by DOOM for the intro music
@YoureGhey
6 ай бұрын
The harder they fall was what kinda introduced me to Jonathan Majors. He’s a good actor sucks we won’t be able to see him as Kang.
@Troupe_Master
Жыл бұрын
I will use this knowledge for ever I learned some deep stuff today. Thank you for this
@yaboyfrresh
3 ай бұрын
So you want to use manipulation to get by in life huh Cornball
@BIGTTK_
Жыл бұрын
this actually very good in a way that i cant explain but ill most def use this
@TheCrimsonPhucker777
Жыл бұрын
Love your content and outro! Amazing work, i am certainly taking a few notes!👏🏼💯
@plzitzjustmahcheezits909
Жыл бұрын
Just want to say, love these videos and I really hope you stick with them for as long as possible. The editing is great and the insight is even greater keep it up dude.
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
much love ❤
@lowkeyfallasleep9511
Жыл бұрын
This movie is top tier I love westerns also, hoping there is a resurgence of them
@garfieldmtify
2 ай бұрын
Nice! Agreed! Loved this move!
@vaughnrussell5772
Жыл бұрын
This movie wasn't perfect the script was a bit winded and a little unorganized. But the acting was really good. Of all the 90s black actresses Regina King is probably the best. The male leads and co stars were also great. Idris makes a compelling, layered villain. Kudos to the cast, soundtrack and cinematography.
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
i agree
@akeemmills4301
4 ай бұрын
People saw him as dirty, but the thing I highly respect about him was he give you an out. He give you chances to walk away first and if you choose to fight, then anything goes.
@AllHailJet
Жыл бұрын
my boy lakeith be so good in every movie he’s in
@mildsoup8978
Жыл бұрын
Such a great movie
@bassXsantana
Жыл бұрын
everything u said was so well spoken
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
thank you 🙏
@autismmode1663
4 ай бұрын
lakeith stanfield deserves so much more credit for how he brings out the best in the characters he plays
@hashijpg
10 ай бұрын
Such a good take. I’ve watched this movie so many times. Everything you said was right on target
@Yaboi_RC
5 ай бұрын
This movie had some of the best characters ive ever seen in a film to mee
@FFmaxxx
Жыл бұрын
Jim is Leonardo dicaprios character in the quick and the dead.
@jelanitarik8452
Жыл бұрын
Yep, young and obsessed with being the fastest.
@TheFilmNerd
Жыл бұрын
i haven’t seen that one yet
@FFmaxxx
Жыл бұрын
@@TheFilmNerd it's on Netflix it's an old movie by Sam raimi
@moneo007
Жыл бұрын
"Backworth was the fasted hand,"
@ronniebattle6756
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for introducing me to this movie, I had no idea it even existed.
@jtf-peacekeepers
7 ай бұрын
Honestly it feels like the super-hero click that dominated main stream media has outstayed its welcome. Westerns like Wind River or Old Henry were obscured but are amazing films that I wished had a larger viewing.
@TheFilmNerd
7 ай бұрын
Me too
@theincredibleegg1431
6 ай бұрын
I like how the scarf Cherokee Bill wore the night before his death foreshadowed his neck wound.
@truerthanyouknow9456
Жыл бұрын
These men are sooooo beautiful.
@LewisB3217
Жыл бұрын
Love this movie
@labelmeposh
4 ай бұрын
Beckworth had a bullet with Cherokee Bill's name on it too. 😂😂
@SportsonHighStandards
2 ай бұрын
Nat Love....my great uncle ❤
@flyartism3112
Жыл бұрын
A Cherokee/ OniyanwiA is most definitely isn’t a Caucasian
@Guapokasino
4 ай бұрын
😭😭 his name was literally Cherokee like huh
@zachlynlemservitillo2083
Жыл бұрын
Then coffi cued the orchestra to play "blackskin mile" loved this movie
@hunchocam5218
Жыл бұрын
I ain’t even watched it yet to know it’s a gem, Cherokee was him in a flesh head ass😂
@moodymoddy6881
4 ай бұрын
underrated movie!
@sonamlama2319
4 ай бұрын
Watched this movie right after the Book of Clarence and both were amazing, props to lakeith Stanfield great actor 👏👏. In this movie they also mention the Bookof Clarence. Most of the actors are same in both movies.btw algorithm is scary I literally watched both movies today and this video shows up
@ALT3REDB3AST
Жыл бұрын
Great movie! Watched it 3 times the first week I discovered it.
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