When humans think we tend to stutter in those thoughts, so that's most likely what is happening when he stutters.
@Truck-kun11
7 ай бұрын
my interpretation of what happened with Feedback: - Malware started to corrupt his DNA - The Omnitrix to protect Ben from corruption ejected the DNA out while still in physical form, something that happens later with the Rogue transformations and the Ultimates - Malware then destroyed the transformation, and the Omnitrix permanently locked it from use as a precaution
@wyatt9949
7 ай бұрын
dude I love this! this is now a headcannon I have!
@canaldoekl7318
7 ай бұрын
It kinda makes sense
@KanaIsTheCutest
7 ай бұрын
I like this highlight a lot. Goes to show why Azmuth resents the Ultimatrix so much as a "Cheap copy" even more while calling Psychobos's nemetrix "okay" and then Omniverse Albedo's transformation stablizer a "sophisticated and ingenius improvement"
@Hadeks_Marow
7 ай бұрын
Does that imply that ben is the clone??? xD
@danielsurvivor1372
7 ай бұрын
@@Hadeks_Marow 😳😐😞😰😱💀 It makes sense
@platypusplayer_0630
7 ай бұрын
I feel like the whole "overuse of feedback could impair the other aliens" thing is similar to the supposed reason the Omnitrix has a timeout, where spending too much time in one form begins to mess with Ben mentally
@teaganjeras156
7 ай бұрын
I think the ultimate Kevin arc was the one where Ben learned the true meaning of losing.
@dilloon7626
6 ай бұрын
This can also be implied to the original Ben 10,000 where he spend his time as XLR8 24/7 which drastically changed his mentality until his 10 year old self made him come to his senses
@lel0uchvibritannia981
7 ай бұрын
A theory I heard for the reason why Ben liked turning into Feedback is because the Donor of Feedback’s DNA had the same personality as Ben, which makes them synchronize on a mental level. If you ask me, this could also explain why Ben would rather turn into specific aliens
@redgamer2754
7 ай бұрын
With this, I'd like to imgine that Humongosaur's dna donor had a harem of Vaxasorians who were all into him, just for fate to tell him to pick the worst one.
@UthmaanXDFire
7 ай бұрын
Where did you hear this theory
@Омойкороль-л3ф
7 ай бұрын
Omnitrix doesn't turn user into a clone of scanned alien. It only uses it to make a unique being of the same species.
@UthmaanXDFire
7 ай бұрын
@@Омойкороль-л3ф The Omnitrix mutates the user into what the user would be if they were born as that species, optimised version of the species relative to the user's age, examples of which being Bullfrag and Kickin' Hawk, the Ultimatrix just copy pasted the scanned alien and slapped green eyes and an omnitrix symbol onto it, but Feedback was a variation of Ben's DNA as a conductoid, I'm not sure about the similar personality theory, but Ben already had an addictive personality and Feedback was a new alien so him creating a new better version that Ben could be maybe explains why Ben liked using Feedback so much
@supremeoverlordvader5552
7 ай бұрын
That also proves why Ben felt so much weird while transforming into Ghostfreak
@capsey_
7 ай бұрын
my idea why Feedback's body stayed while Ben is pulled from him is that Omnitrix recognized that it's in critical condition and tries to do safe shutdown and transforms Ben back while leaving excess mass in place to save time or to not screw something and the excess mass, which looks like cast of the alien, quickly looses stractural integrity. so basically Ben does transform back, but kind of inside of Feedback because Omnitrix tries to only do what is strictly necessary in the emergency
@capsey_
7 ай бұрын
as a metaphor it's like pilots on an airplane skipping some steps in the checklist if they don't have time for everything and only do most important bits. Omnitrix's priority is to save the wearer and it tries not to waste time on unimportant stuff like removing the excess mass especially because it doesn't know what systems are intact so it doesn't risk using what is not necessary (maybe mass removal thing is messed up from the emergency and it will delete Ben's kidney or something)
@tezsinha6405
7 ай бұрын
I like this theory
@TheLastSpider-Man
7 ай бұрын
That is actually a really cool idea. I can believe the Omnitrix doesn't necessarily need to transform a whole body and could just transform the equivalent amount of biomass. But that does once again raise the question of what would happen if this happened while Ben was using an alien smaller than his human form
@capsey_
7 ай бұрын
@@TheLastSpider-Man in that case adding mass would be a necessary step so it wouldn't skip it
@user-Lr8654
7 ай бұрын
@@capsey_ true, maybe would use some energy to "explode" like has do some times before to asure that there is nothing interfering, meanwhile in the actual case was not needed because the excess mass was used as protection.
@BeastForce141
7 ай бұрын
Feedback’s death always hits me, when I first watch it. In my head canon, I believe this is the reason why Ben took off the Omnitrix, other than living a normal life. Khyber Betrayed Dr. Psychobos after the argument on Azmuth.
@Theokal3
7 ай бұрын
I think your headcanon was originally going to be canon but got discarded. Not 100% sure though; it's a rumor I heard, never found clear confirmation.
@UthmaanXDFire
7 ай бұрын
I rewatched this episode yesterday and almost cried when Feedback was removed I don’t know why
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
@@Theokal3 djw and Matt Wayne confirmed it and this is implied in flashback in next episode as well
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
That is implied in flashback of next episode and djw and Matt wayne also confirmed it
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
@@Theokal3 who discarded that? Cartoon network? Fuck that ,it is not retconned in the show
@Brendan.C
7 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: the scream that OV Flashback Ben let out when he “destroyed” Malware in this episode was also the same scream audio used in “And Then There Was Ben” when Ben gained the Omintrix
@SithDestroyerVideoProductions
16 күн бұрын
Which kinda leads to a sad and dramatic irony. The same scream is used for when Ben’s adventures with the Prototrix began, and when they (potentially) ended.
@nateds7326
7 ай бұрын
I really appreciate that in the second Feedback flashback young Gwen says "Heat blast absorbs fire, Feedback absorbs electricity". It's both relevant to the scene, as Heat blast is obviously the better choice for a burning building, and a really natural way to setup Heatblast absorbing the fire from Pacmar's "barbecue". It's both a good reminder for old viewers and a natural way to give exposition for new viewers. When I watched this episode as a kid I hadn't seen any of classic so it was super useful.
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
7 ай бұрын
Yeah it's a nice touch.
@N.I.A23
7 ай бұрын
But, feedback absorbs all kinds of energy. Shouldn't he be able to absorb fire??
@nateds7326
7 ай бұрын
@@N.I.A23 id like to see you try and charge your phone with a canpfire
@N.I.A23
7 ай бұрын
@@nateds7326 I can't charge my phone with plasma beams or laser blasts, yet feedback can absorb those...
@Aphelia.
7 ай бұрын
I think Feedback/Conductoid is inherently a confident species, similar to Rath but obviously toned down a lot. 11 year old kids are usually lost on who they wanna be and they are still figuring out themselves, I think Feedback's natural assurance was why Ben loved him so much. Like a big brother you look up to and maybe obsess over.
@scary-sounds
5 ай бұрын
Aww. Now i want big brother feedback with little ben artwork. That just sounds so cute
@哲二川上
3 ай бұрын
Also Ben is a Very Energetic Kiddie Kid in some ways as a 11 year old. Sure he has Some wisdom but he’s still an energetic brat. So maybe Conductoids being walking EBatteries are just as energetic so they vibe more. Maybe if ben was say…more timid and shy. He’d be more inclined with more peaceful and diplomatic Species like chronosapiens or terraspin species.
@johnman8398
7 ай бұрын
To this day I'm just amazed at how Omniverse was able to not only pull off making up a villain from Ben's past but for said villain to arguably be the best in the franchise to date.
@dagon1523
7 ай бұрын
the idea of malware a guy who just wanted to be cured and who felt rejected by his own "father", traumatizing an 11 year old kid by destroying his favorite alien, something that the other villains could never achieve is simply great.
@JamesHowlett-qy3yq
7 ай бұрын
@@dagon1523 frankensteins monster.
@scarigamez
7 ай бұрын
Talking about Ben's relationship with Feedback, that last bit "like he was part of me" always stuck out to me. I think it's less of a drug parallel and more of a full-on identity. Ben's connection to Feedback feels far more like "I found something that finally feels like me," and the way the loss of Feedback affects him kind of helps.
@sithdude2436
7 ай бұрын
I'm getting vague Trans vibes here, maybe it's just me? But the whole "this body feels more like myself than anything else" kinda works for that.
@Lowjo747
7 ай бұрын
I mean they're a bound to be trans coding, intentionally or not, just based on the premise of someone choosing different body types to express different interactions and whatnot @@sithdude2436
@scarigamez
7 ай бұрын
@sithdude2436 oh you're definitely not alone in that. That's exactly what I got from it as well.
@akanueirnightmaris
7 ай бұрын
@@sithdude2436 I'd say it's closer to a general body dismorphia allegory.
@HawkOfKrypton
7 ай бұрын
I mean, it *is* a pretty overpowered and cocky alien that can pretty much use any enemy's energy attacks against them. Duh Ben would love it :)
@hiitsalex6780
7 ай бұрын
Gwen: "Would you lose, Ben?" Ben/Feedback: "Nah, I'd win."
@yashvirsingh1268
7 ай бұрын
Lobotomy Kaisen finds its way everywhere.
@MegaPokefan97
7 ай бұрын
@@yashvirsingh1268I call it Jujutsu Midsen
@Manden17
7 ай бұрын
Have u seen the jjk edit with Ben 10 theme song😭
@Kitty_KangKang
7 ай бұрын
@@MegaPokefan97only s1 is mid. Watch s2 or Ur missing out
@ahmed4363
7 ай бұрын
@@yashvirsingh1268LOBOTOMY? 🔥⬇️🕳️ Say where the fire is...
@mr_fahrenheight1728
7 ай бұрын
You could say Ben staying as Humungosaur was a brilliant tactical move, it gave him a lot of debris for Ball Weevil
@Lulu-ew7oh
7 ай бұрын
That implies Ben actually plan on using weevil
@donathan2933
7 ай бұрын
@@Lulu-ew7ohif so that’s very smart
@Lulu-ew7oh
7 ай бұрын
@@donathan2933 it would be but this OV ben who barely even looks at the watch so I doubt he Intentionally turn into him
@donathan2933
7 ай бұрын
@@Lulu-ew7oh yeah 😂
@reakefit7304
7 ай бұрын
@@Lulu-ew7ohThis just sound like actual dialogue, rook pointing out it's a good idea to have created debris before transforming and ben just taking credit for that
@HiperPivociarz
7 ай бұрын
18:08 I'm gonna go the wholesome route and say he's imagining himself hanging out with Gwen, Kevin, Rook and Grandpa, drinking smoothies and eating chilli fries. Instant dopamine.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
7 ай бұрын
If you wanted to go the tragic route, maybe It's him getting feeback back and saving the day with him. He' be on the mind since room brought him up. A Funnier idea would be Ben playing a new sumo slammer game..pftt
@levievil9220
3 ай бұрын
@@GreaterGrievobeast55I could totally see all that happening Ben hanging out with Gwen Kevin rook and max then danger alert the situation requires feedback specifically and the omnitrix gives it to him then he goes and plays sumo slammers while as feedback
@danielsurvivor1372
6 ай бұрын
27:50 Love Malware line here, it's almost like a 4th wall break "Your favourite alien? Not anymore~ cuz now you gotta only love boring brute strength aliens"
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
2 ай бұрын
Lmfao that's so ironic.
@duncananderson2113
7 ай бұрын
Loosing Feedback adds so much to Ben later down the line With Unice "My transformations are just as real" Even willing to sacrifice himself so the ultimates can live, really he never wanted to repeat what happened to Feedback ever again.
@JamesHowlett-qy3yq
7 ай бұрын
It isnt related,feedback is a retcon
@misterdewott8766
7 ай бұрын
@@JamesHowlett-qy3yqThe best retcon ever
@JamesHowlett-qy3yq
7 ай бұрын
@@misterdewott8766 good one,but ben stopped using his watch due to removal of feedback isnt a good retcon. Its a silly one.The reason why he stopped should have Been more complicated. Its a Bad retcon like nick fury losing his eye due to a cat scratch
@SpectacularSpidey670
7 ай бұрын
@@JamesHowlett-qy3yqjust shut up
@LuisGustavoSO
7 ай бұрын
@@JamesHowlett-qy3yq there was no reason for him to remove the Omnitrix before. Despite whatever headcanon you wanted to adopt, the show never gave a reason.
@Doritochi
7 ай бұрын
I have a weird theory that Feedback felt so special because Conductoids are energy beings and it was subconsciously tapping into the little bits of Anodite Ben has in him. Which could then potentially cause them to be activated and interfere with his other transformations.
@sithdude2436
7 ай бұрын
Ooh I like that. But I feel like the same thing would apply to Buzzshock, if that's the case? Since it's even more pure energy. Personally I think that Condctoids are just inherently more sure of themselves, sort of like Rath but toned down a lot. And feeling sure of yourself all the time just feels good, so Ben favors the transformation.
@Aphelia.
7 ай бұрын
I love both of your takes
@iwanek4382
7 ай бұрын
21:20 What's more uncharacteristic is that Azmuth calls him Feedback and not Conductoid DNA like he does every other time
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
Maybe because he knew Ben's relation with feedback
@aaronolson6736
7 ай бұрын
Likely done out of respect, Feedback died and he knows how that affected Ben
@N.I.A23
7 ай бұрын
This isn't as bad as the times he did it with uaf. Here, there is an emphasis on this specific transformation being his feed back and stuff. In the uaf era, he calls them by ben names for no reason at all.
@Eric6761
7 ай бұрын
Maybe Azmuth would think Rook would piece it together better if he said the given transformation than the species name, because maybe he wouldn't know what a Conductoid is
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
7 ай бұрын
@@N.I.A23 Pretty much
@hewhoatethesun
7 ай бұрын
My headcanon for why Ben liked to use feedback so much is that, similar to how many different aliens have different personality effects, Feedback's species may have possessed something that gave them excessive happiness in some capacity. Feedback is always smiling so the idea of Conductoid's being this race that possesses some chemical balance that allows them to constantly be happy, and maybe absorbing electricity adding to that, sounded interesting to me. It could be why 11 year old Ben kept constantly using him again and again. Why use the other aliens when you have the literal happiness glitch guy.
@HelenaSan425
7 ай бұрын
18:10 Probably Mr smoothies Remember the final episode of Omniverse when Ben sees the Contemelia you can only see them as something most precious thing in your heart as just a projection (Mr smoothie)
@raymondyongho5757
7 ай бұрын
When Kevin and Vilgax forcibly removed the Omnitrix from Ben's wrist back in the OG series it looked really painful. I can only imagine the feeling of being ripped from one of his transformations before said transformation disintegrates into dust before his eyes. I would liked to have seen more of how Ben handled that experience at only 11. The trauma of the permanent separation would certainly scar him from transforming again.
@FirestoneAnimation
7 ай бұрын
2:51 I'm sorry but the concept of a tiny Bloxx being two bricks put together is absolutely hysterical to me lmao. Also, given the context of the episode, I believe Ben was hallucinating turning into Feedback like usual.
@SeraphOC
7 ай бұрын
Another idea that I don't think I saw but would have been hilarious was for Bloxx to be made of less blocks, but made of Duplo-sized blocks. Same size but technically younger.
@dragonicdoom3772
7 ай бұрын
I think the overusing an alien problem is shared by every transformation. The way I see it is kinda like muscle memory, how the Omnitrix gives Ben the base instincts and muscle memories of the transformation so he can use its powers and do basic things like walking without falling over. If Ben uses the same transformation over and over, he'll get too used to it and try to act like he's in one form when he's in another. It's like if you only played on PC for a long time and then tried playing on a console with a controller, you'd struggle with the controls because you're used to different ones.
@hype5456
7 ай бұрын
I really loved how Feedback really had such an effect on him. To Ben feedback was more than a transformation he was like a cool older brother to him. When he was killed by Malware he felt true despair he felt like he lost not only a part of him but also a brother he loved and looked up to. It also shows the impact Malware had on Ben even after everything he faced. Vilgax, dagon the destroyer, and even the destruction of the very universe none of that had an effect on him besides a "it happened" moment. But Malware was someone that actually brought genuine fear inside Ben, fear that Vilgax never could bring into Ben like Malware did, it shows how much of a threat Ben takes Malware as. I also wouldn't mind a Pakmar/ Mr Baumann counter and call it a Shop repair counter. Especially since It would complete the Tetralogy of shows because each show added its own counter. Classic had hero time and mistransformations, UAF had vehicle repairs, rath rages, and going ultimate and finally OV could have the shop repair counter. Sorry for the long comment I just had a lot to say 😅
@rubendelgado5098
7 ай бұрын
31:44 Ben saying that the Feedback incident is his fault is Ben acknowledging his own carelessness, which he is a lot of the time but he had an attitude of "it's OK as long as i win in the end", Feedback is one of the few ocations where things end up badly and Ben knows it
@Truck-kun11
7 ай бұрын
Feedback is so cool, and his powers are so simple yet so practical that he fits right in with the cast of aliens from the original series.
@bipolarbear7337
7 ай бұрын
I think that over using any transformation exclusively is the problem. It explains why Ben doesn't use Waybig as soon as he sees Vilgax, why he doesn't use Humungasaur every fight, and why he later doesn't just solve every problem with AlienX. Doing so essentially nerfs his other forms.
@thegreatburgerkingpiccolo9549
7 ай бұрын
To me, this two parter was the absolute peak of Omniverse. It felt like this arc and the incursean arc wasn’t compromising the past events to make it work (well aside from making the time Ben had off the Omnitrix from 5 years to 4). Also the talk Ben has with his 11 year old self is peak Ben 10
@damriyeauhayes8660
7 ай бұрын
I like this arc the abledo arc and the time war
@LuisGustavoSO
7 ай бұрын
The only main arc that changes stuff from the past is the Rooters arc, isn't it? I mean, we have specific episodes that retcon stuff, but they are not part of the main arcs. I guess the Maltruant arc messes with past stuff as well, but in a very good way, making a full circle moment.
@damriyeauhayes8660
7 ай бұрын
@@LuisGustavoSO I'm more a casual ben 10 fan I haven't watched all the episodes unfortunately , so I'm not really sure 😅
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
Actually it is never said that at what exact time did ben stopped using Omnitrix, so it is never retconned
@mayotango1317
7 ай бұрын
The Incursians arc went down the drain when it was revealed that it was all part of Attea's plan to take the throne of the empire (including Ben's escape from the capsule), that and Argit being seen more as a hero than Ben by accidentally defeat the To'kustar. And Doctor Who made a better Time War.
@PrometheusD12
7 ай бұрын
When it was brought up that overuse of the Conductoid DNA would have a detriment on his other transformations, I personally thought that was saying that you shouldn’t over rely on one tactic. It’s basically saying you have this one killer move that nobody can block, so you never practice using all your other moves. When an enemy comes in that actually can block your killer move, you are now out of options because you didn’t keep up and practice the others.
@juanhaines7295
7 ай бұрын
Even though this wasn't the original idea for Ben quitting being a hero I like it. In his own words feedback felt like a part of him. You don't just get over losing a body part.
@Misto8990
7 ай бұрын
My theory is that feedback makes ben feel a certain way just like rath makes him angry i think feedback makes him feel extra confident which could be kinda adictive And this would also explain why ben grew so attached he prolly wasnt very confident as a child and he got a taste as feedback
@thebonfireofgains
7 ай бұрын
I think the Feedback removal is not Malware's act but a response by the Omnitrix defenses. Otherwise, Malware would have tampered with the Omnitrix in a much worse way. Malware probably knew this specific defense mechanism and basically consumed Feedback like he would any technology The geno-archetype thing was an error when Ben broke the watch in Vengeance of Vilgax but its possible that the mechanism always existed for the Omnitrix to create separate bodies for the transformations, in case say someone hacked into the Omnitrix and so to prevent or redirect damage, the Omnitrix would produce the geno archetype, sacrificing the DNA that is stored in Primus, so the rest of the Omnitrix would not be infected I hope it makes sense bec this is what I imagined when I watched the episode years ago
@_V.Va_
7 ай бұрын
15:41 Edits like these really make these breakdowns more awesome. They're used sparingly, as well, which is good!
@darrylbonner7208
7 ай бұрын
And this 15:22
@Je-S1001
7 ай бұрын
26:15 You mentioned in the Ben10K returns breakdown that the Omnitrix/Ultimatrix could have a failsafe where if it detects the alien body getting destroyed it boots him out of the transformation, maybe what Malware did was force that failsafe to activate, allowing him to rip Ben out of Feedback.
@akirachaossuta
7 ай бұрын
I always linked it to the fact Ben's love for Feedback was that he is still 1/4 anodie, which are energy beings. Maybe Feedbacks ability to absorb and throw back energy connected with that part of him he wasn't able to. As a kid he wouldn't be able to understand or explain why the loss felt so bad, but once he was told he was related to anodites, he most likely made the connection.
@donovan802
7 ай бұрын
Honestly, as traumatizing as that must have been for Ben to lose Feedback like that, I can’t help but just look back on how he would almost always rely on one specific alien to solve his problems (mostly Four Arms to brute force his problems). Obviously, he was a kid and Tetrax taught him to strategize instead of going all in, but it doesn’t look like it stuck with him entirely.
@harrietr.5073
7 ай бұрын
But, thanks to the CN, Ben deflating his character growth has been apart of him throughout this Ben 10 continuity. Ever since Classic and more perceivable in Ultimate Alien.
@KraylebStudios
7 ай бұрын
@@harrietr.5073 They gave him the worst aspects of the original series sadly
@dagon1523
7 ай бұрын
I like to imagine that the trauma of what happened with feedback made Ben afraid that this would happen again to any other alien, like a ptsd which led him to take off the omnitrix. This scene also cemented Malware as one of the best villains of the series.
@yudhazacharias9377
7 ай бұрын
15:42 Oh my God, that fits in so well, lol
@carnotv6136
7 ай бұрын
I think with Feedback's disintegration, the Omnitrix was detecting that the current form was being irreparably destroyed. And so as a fail safe created a new body for bem that was unconnected to the current form. And the same story for Eon's time ray.
@TheGamerninja15
7 ай бұрын
I always liked the idea of Malware destroying Feedback being the main reason for Ben removing the Omnitrix prior to Alien Force. But the creators have yet to confirm the REAL main reason so all we can do is speculate, and this is the only thing we can speculate lmao
@zohebrafi
7 ай бұрын
No, DJW did confirm that this was the original reason conceptualized by Dwayne McDuffie and Glen Murakami, but Cartoon Network executives refused to go through with it, which many of the crew members were thankful for.
@austinforgie1069
7 ай бұрын
Ben treated his transformations as they are actual being with care and when he lost Feedback he removed the Omnitrix so it wouldn't happen to his other transformationa as well pretty smart decision on his part until Alien Force where he had no choice but to potentially sacrifice his transformations for the greater good of the universe
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
@@zohebrafi but it is not retconned in the show,it is implied that was reason in flashback of next episode
@zohebrafi
7 ай бұрын
@@yashJoshi-hn6bf Where’s the implication? Nowhere in the episode did it say that it was the reason Ben removed the Omnitrix.
@yashJoshi-hn6bf
7 ай бұрын
@@zohebrafi See the conversation of ben and azmuth
@suohd.sunking6964
7 ай бұрын
The best idea of why Feedback felt so different felt sort of like something less than an allegory for drugs but still an allegory for something bad. Him using Feedback made him happy, but it wasn't good for his health to constantly use him. And when others tried to tell him he should stop, he'd dismiss them or lash out at them when they're just trying to help. He spent too much time with him, ignoring his other aliens, ignoring the people around him, ignoring his own health to be with Feedback because he liked Feedback so much. Ben's relationship with Feedback is one he hasn't had with any other alien, a toxic one. Feedback is an allegory for a toxic codependent relationship.
@pikagammerpluspizza7478
7 ай бұрын
If Dwayne Mcduffie wrote out some bullet points for the Malware Arc I can see him jotting down the idea of mirroring the Feedback transformation with drug use. But otherwise yeah I never really thought of the "intervention" being a drug metaphor.
@wesconatortheguy9869
7 ай бұрын
Maybe the shop destruction could add onto the vehicle repair counter to make a more general Supporting Character Property Damage counter
@mathewwatson-FireGem21
7 ай бұрын
Dude when I first saw this episode the day it aired it literally shattered my heart seeing Ben's reaction to watching one of his transformation literally get destroyed/killed right in front of him! Like sure Vilgax is terrifying as hell but malware just straight up Destroyed Ben mentally and broke him, even watching this episode to this day still hits me in the heart man
@Raven_The_Huntress
7 ай бұрын
I'd like to take a moment to appreciate Yuri's voice work here. He lowers his tone of voice just enough to sell you on the idea that Ben has unresolved trauma. It's kind of tempting to overdo it and make it sound so much more dramatic than it needs to be, and he didn't fall into that trap.
@erikpng
7 ай бұрын
As for the famous Feedback scene, I think I know what's happening there. Malware had the intention of destroying the Omnitrix. And as a failsafe, the Omnitrix "ejected" Ben out of Feedback. We've Malware destroy tech by turning it into dust time and time again, this is probably the same thing. But the Omnitrix does have its failsafes.
@bobbyavitia
7 ай бұрын
Instead of drugs maybe Feedback can be seen as a codependent relationship, where the amount of time and engery spent on a person is obsessive and keeps them from living a normal life. This I think works better because the person that their obessed with doesn't have to be abusing them in some way and is usually a level of mutual admiration. That would be what felt different as Ben loved being Feedback, he could feel that Feedback loved Ben being him. Something similar would be the relationship between Eddie Brock and Venom from Marvel.
@loganmiller236
7 ай бұрын
I personally believe that Feedback getting pulled out might be a fail safe to keep the user alive, sacrificing the transformation to keep the wearer safe as if Ben died as an alien he might actually die so the omnitrix just kills the dna to allow ben to live.
@JamesHowlett-qy3yq
7 ай бұрын
Thats the logical explanation
@UthmaanXDFire
7 ай бұрын
The variation, of “It’s my boy” for Swampfire, and “It’s my guy” for Hypnotick, Azmuth does seem a lot like the Doctor, especially the 12th Doctor, a bit crazy, really old and very creative, also with like in “Map of Infinity” what was Azmuth reading when he said “An evolutionary feature, begging for trouble”, so Azmuth is probably just so smart to figure out that Khyber would have a failsafe for Psychobos, also Zed might be more tomboyish that girl as a dog, also for Feedback, Malware separated Ben from Feedback, which is also part of Ben’s DNA so part of Ben was missing that’s why Ben was so much more scared when he so Malware again than when he saw Vilgax
@plantainsame2049
7 ай бұрын
This applies that his reaction to finding out that He Might be near his death due to shame of his actions would be introducing a bunch of medieval peasants to rock and roll the word dude and helping them dig a well
@UthmaanXDFire
7 ай бұрын
@@plantainsame2049 haha definitely
@idle_speculation
7 ай бұрын
I could absolutely see Azmuth having 12’s callous pragmatism, perhaps even to the point of letting people die to collect information about the Foretold, for example
@UthmaanXDFire
7 ай бұрын
@@idle_speculation I dont think Azmuth would let people die if it wasn't completely necessary, but he is a bit of a jerk alot of the times
@idle_speculation
7 ай бұрын
@@UthmaanXDFireIn the situation I’m referring to, there wasn’t really any way to stop the deaths, but the Doctor keeps calm and tries to collect as much information as he can about the Foretold in the 66 seconds the victims have to live.
@Avocartoonist226
7 ай бұрын
23:48 maybe that’s the reason Ben mistransforms The omnitrix forces himself out of turning into aliens he’s already been too much like four arms and humongousaur
@mr.witherhmc9304
7 ай бұрын
Just call it the wrecked store counter for every time Ben messes with pakmar and balmun
@redactedsomeone2727
7 ай бұрын
Is it possible that when Feedback absorbs electricity it hits neurons in his brain in a way that Ben's human mind can't comprehend, so it just feels good
@ATVPokemonMaster_02
7 ай бұрын
31:30 Kuro's cute cat just casually licking in the background 😂❤
@garg4531
7 ай бұрын
Nemetrix definitely isn’t an improvement since it has less features and much less aliens, plus we’ve seen the effect it has on sapients (which now makes me wonder now if the omnitrix can be used by a non-sapient animal, like a squirrel or a dog… or a chimp. What level of sapience do you need to possess to wield it, and would the animal become sapient upon transforming or retain their instincts?) But these cut corners would probably explain why he was able to make it much faster. That, and the fact he’s basically copying someone else’s work rather than having to come up with everything from scratch
@gaetanotruisi1211
7 ай бұрын
22:28 Personally, i've always thought of it in the completely opposite ways. Every transformation of Ben changes his personality, most of them just slightly (diamondhead is a little more stoic, humongosaur is more violent, Ripjaws makes him more "monstrous", Swampfire is more down to business, and so on), and some much more heavily (as you said, Rath, Juryrigg, Ditto, Green Needle). But when Ben transforms into Feedback, he seems just like himself. My take on that has always been that Feedback's species basic instincts are similar to Ben's personality, and so, Feedback is the only transformation on which Ben has powers, and at the same time, is still, completely himself. (As already specified, that's just how i0ve always seen it)
@Zillazillion
2 ай бұрын
Damn an entire essay
@travisherndon94
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I think you should add a Pakmar counter, especially to replace one or two that no longer going to happen in the series like the ultimate counter.
@tylerpetak366
7 ай бұрын
I always thought that Ben’s feedback issue was symbolic of addiction as a whole rather then specifically drug addiction, including the withdrawal symptoms we see right after the event.
@KenSahaja
6 ай бұрын
I think it might be Feedback's transformation gives him like a confidence boost like how rath makes him rageful. He's always confident as Feedback and i bet that feels good. Having 0 anxiety.
@HelenaSan425
7 ай бұрын
Feedback's demise was sad as hell 😭
@cds7012
7 ай бұрын
In part 2, I like to think that Malware tries to do the same thing to Humungousaur as he did to Feedback. But in a somewhat different fashion due to Humungousaur's size. And perhaps the aspect of Feedback being an electricity-based alien also makes a difference.
@happyhippoeaters4261
7 ай бұрын
When there's dust mites on your spine, get it re-alined, Ben Ten
@corruptsolstice340
7 ай бұрын
For the thing about Ben being separated from his transformations, I believe it could be a failsafe of a form being killed, the original DNA being replicated, and a new body is formed. However in the Malware case, he seems to have half absorbed the form at that point, the Onmitrix having to detransform Ben, but Malware having a corrupted copy of the Omnitrix is keeping the data and not allowing the data to go back to the true Omnitrix.
@LKYHGaming
7 ай бұрын
We’ve finally reached it folks, we’ve finally reached THE episode.
@kerbethegodkiller2914
7 ай бұрын
My personal headcannon its that feedback had a similar personality to ben but with more confidence, like, feedback makes him feel so much more powerful, not physically, but mentally, he feels like he can take on anything and even is more jokey and talkative with whoever he's fighting.
@lizzzbenoist
7 ай бұрын
I always liked the idea of Ben seeing his transformations as another part of himself, as other personas or other ways to view the world around him, so him losing one of them in such a violent way would be so traumatizing, specially losing his favorite one to be. As a trans person I can say that the idea of losing the ability to be the version of yourself you like the most... it hits hard y'know. On top of that I believe that Ben's trauma from this also extends from the fact that he couldn't do anything this time around. Whenever a villain threatens the universe or whatever he's able to stop them, but in this case he couldn't, he had to watch as Feedback was erased in front of his eyes. All of this happening to someone so young... it makes me feel so bad for Ben.
@FirestoneAnimation
7 ай бұрын
28:27 I believe what happened was: The sudden removal and destruction of the conductoid archetype, especially when made in contact with a corrupted mechamorph caused the omnitric to go haywire. You know how computers bluescreen over extreme system errors? I believe the watch bluescreened
@CrossShade8144
7 ай бұрын
My headcanon for why overusing Feedback was a problem is the same as the reason for the time limit in "Race against time". The alien DNA can overtake the user, if transformed for too long. But even with the time limit, using an alien too many times in a row can have the same effect. And finally, the reason why master control exists and doesn't have a problem is because the problem isn't being transformed for too long, it's being a single transformation for too long.
@PrometheusD12
7 ай бұрын
Something I like about the story with Feedback and also why I personally didn’t see it as an allegory for drugs is that even when he got the transformation back, he didn’t make the same mistake and overuse him again. He still used Feedback, but it wasn’t the only one he used. We also point out how he is always trying to use the same muscleheaded aliens over and over again, but this does feel like a time where he did learn his lesson and it stuck.
@TatoAthority
7 ай бұрын
Fellow Whovian here. I just got a couple of my friends to watch the 50th anniversary a couple of days ago. Excellent choice in rewatch material, Kuro. Mad respect for all the work you do.
@blazingvictory3260
7 ай бұрын
I never understood why Azmuth couldn't do some work on the Omnitrix to make it accept Conductoid DNA again. Yeah the Omnitrix blocked it as a precaution, but Azmuth built it and understands it better than anybody. He could just program it say that its ok to accept it and manually put a new sample in.
@EricIsntSmart
7 ай бұрын
I think the explanation of how ben can be pulled out of an alien form is less that he's inside the alien, and more that he is forced to turn back but in a way that doesnt remove the extra mass created for him to have that form. Said extra mass would then crumble to dust, if it wasnt removed as part of a proper detransformation.
@thegoblin4948
7 ай бұрын
28:44 Which begs the question... was the Omnitrix the cure that Malware needed all along? Did Azmuth knew that? Was he waiting on finishing the completed Omnitrix before trying it?
@christianparrish3292
7 ай бұрын
Especially sumo slammers. It's not only his favorite thing to collect, but he's also obsessed with sumo slammers.
@raulcerna1093
7 ай бұрын
I think Ben is guilty about losing Feedback because in his mind he put Feedback in the situation that destroyed him ,like Gwen said he could've transformed into Diamondhead or another one of his aliens ,but he stubbornly turned into Feedback probably to show everyone that Feedback is the best ,but instead it lead to his destruction
@GreaterGrievobeast55
7 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@andydurand8559
7 ай бұрын
I love the Feedback arc it goes so hard everytime I watch it. The show did a good job show us how important he was to Ben and I think they did great showing Ben’s emotions towards everything. Watching Malware destroy Feedback was so shocking seeing transformation die like that was insane can’t wait for pt2
@axelnilsson5124
7 ай бұрын
28:10 that jumpcut was hilarious
@user-tu3ob4ll1n
7 ай бұрын
Maybe Malware did something similar to when Ben and Kevin hacked the Omnitrix and caused some of the aliens to escape in UAF, maybe he can just do it since he's a mechamorph, Alternatively, maybe Malware split Feedback by taking out the conductoid DNA and some of ben's DNA, basically creating a second ben that's feedback, which would explain ben saying that Feedback felt different? IDK, It's just a theory (A Ben 10 theory!)
@ShadowStorm78
7 ай бұрын
Love Dr who. My aunt introduced it to me with the episode blink. I have my favorite quote from the episode on a poster hanging on my door "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect but actually from a non-linear, non subjective viewpoint. It's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff"
@christianparrish3292
7 ай бұрын
I know it's hard to make up certain rhymes in each breakdown, Kuro, but you pull off great.
@SithDestroyerVideoProductions
16 күн бұрын
In my headcanon, Malware basically absorbed Feedback’s DNA, which might’ve augmented his powers. Since he was trying to absorb the power of the Prototrix, he also managed to partially lock the watch from being able to access the form, even if it acquired a new DNA sample. Only when Ben is absorbed by Malware himself does the Omnitrix find the missing piece.
@enershad1271
7 ай бұрын
I remember seeing a theory somewhere that the reason Ben liked being feedback so much is because in his past life he was a conductoid and every since then it became my headcannon as to why he preferred being feedback
@shyguygaming5397
7 ай бұрын
I think one way to justify Malware knowing he could rip Feedback out of the Omnitrix is that Malware is the one who copied the schematics of the Omnitrix to create the Nemetrix, so he would have a pretty good understanding of how it works.
@thealpacaofsupport258
7 ай бұрын
Since the omnitrix was made as the ultimate comunication device, i interpret Ben becoming really fond of Feedback and Ben having really enjoying the things he learnt from becoming Feedback Kinda like how some people's lives changed bc of an experience they had in a different culture, i feel like Ben felt something like that from transforming into Feedback
@StupidWeb
7 ай бұрын
My initial thought was that he severed the omnitrix’s connection to Feedback’s DNA pool on Primus, but then Derrick denied the existence of Primus in the Omniverse canon
@fruit3193
7 ай бұрын
I think it’s not that overusing Feedback directly affects his abilities as other aliens, but rather that he can become rusty with other aliens due to a lack of use. It’s not a Feedback-specific issue.
@Sambath-oc8ss
7 ай бұрын
A headcanon I like regarding his attachmemt to Feedback (that i got from the Ben10 subreddit) is that the originsl donor for Feedback is the closest to Ben in terms of personality which is why he felt like him the most.
@Papi.Suave326
7 ай бұрын
Miss me some Doctor Who! Personally I believe Ben's seeing a full life of using Feedback. Since that's what the theme of two parter is. When I saw the scene of Feedback open the hood and pulse the electricity through his hands I thought it was going to take a dark turn.
@christianparrish3292
7 ай бұрын
I like your profile picture.
@strongerthanever2039
7 ай бұрын
I agree that the Feedback plotline is better without the parallel to drugs and that it undermines the story, but the writers did draw the parallels themselves, as you pointed out yourself. So it's less the fans overanalyzing and more writers shooting themselves in the knee. As for the detrimental effects of overusing an alien, I think it might not be a Conductoid specific problem and more a limitation of the Omnitrix.
@mechajay3358
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, even the scene of Max, Gwen and Azmuth gathering around looks so much like an intervention that its hard not to point at the comparisons of being an addicted.
@christianparrish3292
7 ай бұрын
I still love the fact that this Galvan is based on teen Sari Sumdac from transformers animated. And rest in peace, DJW.
@rahnal21
7 ай бұрын
27:47 Malware: Omniverse Ben: Kuro Feedback dying: Swampfire Blossoming
@axelnilsson5124
7 ай бұрын
We don’t even know how much he dislikes bloomed Swampfire
@ieatcheeselikeyouforbreakf2654
7 ай бұрын
@@axelnilsson5124I can kinda understand. I feel the colors are a tad bit bright, and the feet should have stayed roots/trunk shaped
@youtubeuniversity3638
7 ай бұрын
29:38 Yeah, Ben treating his forms as if Literal Separate People, especially post-Ultimate Escapees, does feel right.
@PardamLima1027
7 ай бұрын
I believe the reason as to why conductoid DNA isn't accepted is because they still act as if the Omnitrix is a part of Ben (even though they dismiss that quite often) and it being a part of Ben he believes feedback died, so maybe it's his psyche affecting the watch.
@legendarylancers7446
7 ай бұрын
The Malware/Feedback arc is truly peak ominverse storytelling in my opinion, no multiverse states just a personal arc about self forgiveness, acknowledging what you done wrong and moving past it and trying to make better decisions going further in life I really wished ominverse kept this type of storytelling I enjoyed the rest of ominverse but it felt like they didn't have a version like the first two seasons kinda like uaf.
@MREmrdzcn
7 ай бұрын
These Breakdowns back to back came at the perfect time. I'm watching them like a tv show
@RedDragonForce2
7 ай бұрын
@ 26:50 It’s a failsafe of the Omnitrix to separate Ben’s Human form from the dying Alien Form. Sure one is by time and the other is by a Mutant Virus Alien, but the concept is similar enough.
@DarkGravity_
5 ай бұрын
I think what Azmuth said about using one alien too much applies to all of Ben's transformations. Like if he used Heatblast too much, it might get tricky to control Fourarms because Tetramand don't have the ability to control fire. Or overusing Diamondhead might make it tricky to control XLR8 because Petrosapiens don't have super speed.
@canhebeatgokutho420
7 ай бұрын
"Stand proud Feedback you were strong."
@rothgang
7 ай бұрын
The part with ben pushing buttons in the prototruck reminds me of the scene in AF where he annoys kevin with the door lock.
@AnirbanDRoy
7 ай бұрын
Kuro the artist with gorgeous hair isn't real, he can't hurt you. Kuro the artist with gorgeous hair:
@wanderer6123
7 ай бұрын
My personal theory on Ben getting separated from his transformations is that it's an Omnitrix failsafe. If the dna of a transformation gets corrupted (either by Eons time ray or Maleware) the Omnitrix forces Ben out of the form to save him from being corrupted too
@yep1486
7 ай бұрын
so Old omnitrix: Alien dies like taking a bullet for ben New one: Alien takes the hit but has back up clones
@InklingRacer456
7 ай бұрын
I remember watching this episode as a kid and I felt it when Ben lost Feedback, minus the fact that he’s my favourite alien in the whole series. It felt relatable, almost like losing apart of yourself. I also feel like losing Feedback could be the main reason why he never went Hero again until AF.
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