A lot of us 'Not in Bristol Bristolians' (Kingswood, etc) often agree to meet 'by the statue of Neptune' when heading into the centre of Bristol. Just a convenient place to walk from to get anywhere else in the city centre, and part of 'The Centre (by the fountains)'.
@jasperfk
Жыл бұрын
Yep. Grew up in Longwell Green and Whitchurch and this is where I’d always ‘aim for’ if I was heading into town.
@jccjjccj3305
Жыл бұрын
If you’re from kingswood you are a Bristolian
@apelegian26
2 жыл бұрын
Well researched, well presented and definitely not rambling. Bristol's answer to London's Jago Hazzard (but better!). Good stuff !
@PedestrianDiversions
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Jago Hazzard was definitely an inspiration in deciding it might not be totally absurd to give this youtubing a whirl. I do still think this video is a bit of a mess, with hindsight perhaps 'where is the centre?', 'story of the high cross' and 'st mary le port regen' would have better made three separate videos, than trying to smash them all into one. But after 12 months and three rewrites I could not face another rewrite nor abandoning all the effort completely, so I somewhat reluctantly uploaded it as is
@apelegian26
2 жыл бұрын
@@PedestrianDiversions (slight spoiler alert, don't read on if you haven't watched it through). I did wonder mid way where you were going with the High Cross thing but you tied it in beautifully and surprisingly with the big S******d reveal. Never knew, loved it!
@24severn
Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is precisely what I was thinking. I love these videos as I have tried to pick up Bristol history whilst here, but this is filling in many gaps.
@SevCaswell
Жыл бұрын
@@PedestrianDiversions I would hope that you would revisit the mentioned topics in full, as it were, in new videos. As a Bristol native that has not lived in the city this century I am curious to know how my birthplace has evolved.
@alfiewright1396
Жыл бұрын
@@PedestrianDiversions I think it worked fine as a 3 in one
@jrevillug
Жыл бұрын
Having lived in various places in Bristol for a decade, I always felt that the centre was the centre, where the Frome was filled in. With the Hippodrome and Colston Hall to one side with the hospital and university behind, the Old City and Bristol Bridge to the other, the offices of Greyfriars/Lewins Mead to the north and the harbour to the south it feels like the coming together of all the different bits that make Bristol what it is today. I think you're probably right that the centre moved with the destruction of what is now Castle Park, and that the job was finished off by the Norwich Union building.
@flyboyryan
2 жыл бұрын
Great details in this one. That transition from the painting to modern day Frome really highlighted the changes there. Love the photo credit to Dad.
@jackmckinnon8073
Жыл бұрын
Your videos have led to changing my itinerary for this coming March to include three nights in Bristol. I was there in October and missed a great deal of what you covered. I did manage to walk from the Moxy Hotel to the Clifton Observatory - a seemingly interminable uphill slog which will not be repeated. I subsequently discovered the #8 bus.
@Gndlf_TheOrange
2 жыл бұрын
Well asking on the bus for a "single to the centre" meant by the fountains so I'm saying there 😅
@emmawakley5487
2 жыл бұрын
Love this
@TimSmithWordSmith
Жыл бұрын
As someone who lives in Cotham, I can attest that it is indeed in the centre of the city. Although it's not down by the harbour, or near Redcliffe or College Green, it is ten minutes walk from everywhere that you would find useful. Gloucester Road is down the hill, White Ladies Road is ten minutes walk *over* the hill and the Harbour-side is down the other side of the hill in the opposite direction. I'd also add the three H's in here too; that's The Hillgrove, The Hare, and The Highbury Vaults. The only place that seems far away (apart from Temple Meads - but you've covered that in another video) is Bedminster. Which is a shame, because I like Bedminster. One last thing: If you stand at the top of the Trenchard Street NCP and look 'up' towards St Micheal's Hill, you start to realise that almost every building in front of you for a square half-kilometer is owned by either the University or the Hospital. This, for me, feels like the heart, if not the soul of Bristol. Thank you for the video. Subbed.
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
see, as someone in Bedminster, I went to Gloucester Road once shortly after moving here, and decided it was cool and all but nothing to justify 90 min walk instead of North Street, and haven't been back as far as I remember. Your three H's mean nothing to me and I've genuinely been more times to Bath than Cotham. This to me gets to the heart of why I always bang on about transport letting Bristol down: you have all these places in your city that you love, and I might love as well but they don't feature in my city at all, even though your city and my city are supposedly the same city
@bristolpogo5
Жыл бұрын
As somebody who grew up in yate but has lived in bedminster, knowle, queens square and st George over the last 10-15 years, not once has cotham ever felt like the centre of bristol. To call cotham the heart/soul of Bristol feels like a massive reach.
@TimSmithWordSmith
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough. I’ve also lived in or near to most of those areas. Living in a city sometimes means having to settle where you can. I guess what you’re saying backs up Pedestrian Diversion’s point that there are contexts and geographical/social affects that come Into how we all view this wonderful city.
@jccjjccj3305
Жыл бұрын
Temple meads is just behind castle park at the dot side of the river
@madalheidis
Жыл бұрын
I'm currently playing a game that involves a world map, and it's preferred location for the centre of Bristol is the statue of Neptune. Google Maps, however, prefers the middle of the river a little upstream of Castle Park. One solution is to just go around asking people to direct you to what they consider the centre of town, and whichever point they most often keep directing you to is clearly the modern centre of town. Or, you could run that centroid program again using all the reasonable answers for the centre, and go with wherever it puts the centre of that at.
@Nissedasapewt42
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you've uploaded more content! Do keep going, I'm loving the subject matter and your dry commentary.
@simonhbacon
Жыл бұрын
I love the story of the ups, downs and peregrinations of the city cross. Personally I think of the centre as the old tram centre, unless it is the Nail on Corn street.
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
'peregrinations', what an absolutely splendid word
@MrHolzheim
Жыл бұрын
I've lived in Bristol since 1952, and enjoyed this well researched and very humorous account, well done.
@Asteroidaceae
Жыл бұрын
As soon as Hoare's name came up, I, who had been walking past the cross at Stourhead regularly over 20 years of visits with elderly relatives without paying it any more historical attention than any of the other follies, pantheons and bridges, sat up and said "you're shitting me," out loud into an empty room
@RedScare67
2 жыл бұрын
Somewhere equidistant from St Mary's, the Cathedral, and the Bear Pit? That was my initial thought, but eyeballing it would put it somewhere around St Nick's, and that is pretty close to the historic cross roads. Thanks for another cracking video!
@KeefJudge
Жыл бұрын
Not quite sure how KZitem ended up recommending this channel to me, but I'm glad it did. I've visited Bristol quite a few times over the decades (though have never lived there) and have always liked the place. No opinion on where the centre is - having an opinion on something I know little about is exactly the sort of thing the internet is for, though I try to refrain from that. However, I found this video (and others of yours) quite fascinating.
@iam24fttall
Жыл бұрын
I live just beyond the 'South Gloustershire' sign of Kingswood highstreet shown in this video and it's so bizarre that my neighbours are 'officially Bristolian' and yet I am not. I'd definately count a lot of the suburban areas as Bristol
@fuzzy3210
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. I grew up in Bristol (40 years or so ago) and found this a fantastic journey into the city. I will be checking out your other videos. Great stuff!
@senoralecthompson
2 жыл бұрын
Bring back promenading eight abreast!
@vickypedias
Жыл бұрын
Another great video from my new favourite channel! I can't believe all the ups and downs of that cross.... I've sat under the top bit of the 1800s remake of it in Berkeley square and wondered to myself why on earth it's there.
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
loving your username
@Forestfalcon1
Жыл бұрын
If the old Bristolian's catch a bus to the city centre and you drop them off in town at the bus station they get really pissed off.. As far as they are concerned Bristol City Centre is by the Bristol Hippodrome...
@ezri6585
Жыл бұрын
Personally as someone who lives in Gloucester and visits Bristol regularly I would say that the centre is Castle Park as it's not too far of a walk from temple meeds, has a decent amount of shops on the streets around the park and is in an area that is quite iconic and recognisable. That being said I can understand the arguments that collage Green or "the centre" is a better candidate for being the centre of Bristol so my instinct is telling me to go with somewhere between Castle Park and Collage Green.
@janebaker966
Жыл бұрын
Bristol has got 3 "centres". The ancient historic centre was where Broad St and Corn St etc form the crossroads up by Castle Park. I think the old Cross is safer at Stourhead,it wouldnt last 5 minutes back in Bristol. What we now call The Centre only dates from c.1890s it was the terminus for all the tram routes. Lastly the Stag and Hounds PH at Old Market is the point where all the measurements are taken from ie 10 miles to Bristol etc. I don't know why that particular spot.
@joc6516
Жыл бұрын
Loving your videos Pedestrian Diversions. So refreshing to see someone who understands the concept of urban or metropolitan areas and not obsessed that borders can only be political. LGA's after all are little more than borders which defines who collects the bins, not how cities exist today. Back on the topic of what is the centre of town (as in town centre), having grown up in Australia and New Zealand, we used to always measure the centre of any city by the GPO (General Post Office) in Australia or CPO (Central Post Office) in NZ (both being the same thing). These were generally in the centre of town. All book maps for a city would have an arrow on every page that pointed in the direction of the GPO or CPO. In Australia or NZ, we used both CBD and Downtown to describe the city centre, but they actually meant different things. Downtown was the generic term for the city centre. This differs to the US, which was often a specific area and different to 'uptown', NY being the best example. But in Australia & NZ, people would just say we're going to 'town' in the 1970s or earlier, and later than that, 'downtown'. But if it were a specific part of the city centre, it might be more the retail part. The CBD on the other hand was always the financial district (hence, CBD - central business district). In Sydney, the CBD wasn't just the city centre, or even the area with the skyscrapers as much of 'downtown' had skyscrapers, but it was the bit north of Martin Place up to Circular Quay. This area was mostly offices and had little retail. All that said, it's probably also interchangeable these days with city centre and downtown as the term has lost it's specific meaning for the financial by some area over time - I bring this up because of your interesting point about skyscrapers in some cities not being the city centre (Paris, Canary Wharf etc).
@WelshMullet
2 жыл бұрын
Some sort of offspring of Jago Hazard and Chris Broad, talking about engineering-y, history-y stuff about Bristol? Sign me up
@WelshMullet
2 жыл бұрын
And as someone who has only really passed through Bristol, I'd put the centre outside Temple Meads station :P
@thehearingaid
Жыл бұрын
@@WelshMullet Ha nah :) Temple Meads feels like Exeter St Davids in that close enough to town to walk but also far enough away to be inconvenient. Though TM is started to get some useful developments close to it. Though if only it still has the old tram links.
@thfccfht
Жыл бұрын
enjoyed that, I like the way you use film and not photographs to show locations..Bristol looks a very interesting place, I have never been there though...I am retired and living in Thailand now, I have visited most of England but with great regret I somehow missed Bristol....anyhow, for whatever reason if I do need to return to Blighty, hopefully for a short time....I would get on a train and book a cheap but cheerful hotel and explore the Pubs and History of your fine City.
@Hannah_Em
Жыл бұрын
...... You know, I *know* logically speaking that you're running a channel talking primarily about Bristol. I *know* rationally that this will involve pictures of places I know. And yet, it never ceases to catch me off-guard when pictures of places I grew up near like, say, Two Mile Hill road pop up in videos. My instinctive gut reaction is always somewhere along the lines of "But... that's (for example) Kingswood, that's local and mundane and doesn't go on the _internet_, I did driving lessons along that road" :P
@sueross2850
Жыл бұрын
Well, that was excellent, as ever. Did you know that Bristol Cathedral had the reputation of selling everything that wasn't screwed down, in the 18th century.
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
I did not! I'll have to look into that
@sueross2850
Жыл бұрын
@@PedestrianDiversions if you contact me, I can tell you the interesting (we'll to me, anyway) story of what happened to the lectern on the cathedral, the fragments of which are now in St Nicholas' church
@tonydeltablues
Жыл бұрын
'Cartographical pedantry'.....I subscribed....:-)
@rsc9520
Жыл бұрын
Me too! Great video ....
@PRWolf
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Love stuff like this and happy to find another channel for it ^^ keep them up mate!
@DavesFM
Жыл бұрын
No idea about Bristol, but distances to Bath are (or, at least, were) calculated to the Guildhall on the High Street. There is still a Milestone marker on the North side of the Upper Bristol Road just west of Victoria Park that specifies that the distance displayed is measured to that point.
@bloompix123
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this wild goose chase. For what it’s worth Hoare was Colston’s lawyer and like the rest of them was doing extremely well from the slave trade benefitting from the wealth produced by the labour of the surviving captured and enslaved Africans. It all connects, thanks again for adding a bit more to the story.
@buglingtonsmyth5659
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that video!
@simmybear31
Жыл бұрын
As the business centre I'd have always said the Nails having worked at 2 Barclays branches in Corn Street.
@nidh1109
Жыл бұрын
Anyone who's lived in Bristol for a while knows where the centre is because it is called the centre!
@keithreynolds
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic videos thankyou
@BingoBongoBengo
Жыл бұрын
Bloody fantastic video, loved it!
@southcalder
Жыл бұрын
Geographically speaking, Bristol is a weirdly lop sided city. With far more suburban area to the east of the centre, as opposed to the west, and similarly to the north rather than the south. This would make a simple geographic centre being meaningless. Unlike a more centred city like Glasgow or London. Glasgow, similar to Greater London, has grown broadly equally north and south of the river and also east and west along it. However, similar to Bristol, it has odd gerrymandered boundaries. For example, some suburbs, such as Rutherglen or Cambuslang, that most would consider Glasgow, are actually in South Lanarkshire. This is noticeable if you drive along the new M74 section, as you actually pass into and out of Glasgow twice before reaching the city centre. But, if all those outlying areas that most consider to be Glasgow were drawn around, then I feel that it’s geographic centre would come fairly close to the actual defined centre of Glasgow Cross - which coincidentally is no longer considered to be the City Centre as the commercial/political centre has moved west towards George Square.
@ianhalsall-fox
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating and well researched video. I am particularly interested in the redevelopment proposals at St. Mary Le Port. I studied Town and Country Planning at UWE several moons ago. When I first came to Bristol there was still a dual carriageway going through the middle of Queen Square! (Another centre candidate?)
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
I've wanted to do a vid on the queen sq dual carriageway since day one pretty much, but I don't have any pictures of it, let alone video, that I'm allowed to use, which hinders it somewhat. It's in that awkward zone - too recent to be public domain, too old to be well represented on wikimedia commons
@ianhalsall-fox
Жыл бұрын
@@PedestrianDiversions Let me explore my 35mm archives and see if I have anything...
@joeholt9166
Жыл бұрын
I live by the Street shown at 4m 30s and like to think of myself living in Bristol even though it says south Glos. I think of Warmley as the cut off for Bristol.
@jackwemyss2550
Жыл бұрын
Manchester has an official centre point to which distance signs are measured. There is a plaque marking this on St Ann's church
@Chris-lr2qb
2 жыл бұрын
That Bristol/South Glos border in Kingswood was the bane of my existence during the tiered lockdown system.
@PedestrianDiversions
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even think of that! The arbitrary-ness of it must have been infuriating in that circumstance
@alvinbirdi6502
Жыл бұрын
Excellent gripping narrative of Bristol de-centred!
@peternoble3691
Жыл бұрын
This is amazing, thank you!
@martinhowe1422
Жыл бұрын
Superb PD, great stuff. Can I politely ask that on similiar posts you dial up the dry, sarcastic & sardonic tones and start naming the bastards that make decisions that leave the rest of us pulling out our hair in absolute frustration. On the plus side - IMHO - Bristol is the craft beer capital of the world. Any chance of a 45 minute special as to how this began and endures???
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
I knew there was a reasonably decent beer scene here but capital of the world, that's a big claim! alas I hardly drink beer so I think I would be a poor judge of it! definitely interested in looking more into breweries and pubs and the social history thereof etc though
@pierre-de-standing
Жыл бұрын
My memory of the place when I lived there in the 70s and 80s was that unless you liked Courage, then you were going to be be disappointed. Slowly though, real ale took hold, (OK Courage did brew the stuff as well as keg beer) but I left before I could enjoy what it may well have become, to enjoy the many delights that are in Oxford, except for where bloody Greene King have muscled in.
@thehilligan
Жыл бұрын
very good-many thanks
@RussellGeorge67
Жыл бұрын
I'd go for the nails outside St Nicholas Market.
@mfpreece
2 жыл бұрын
Riding my bike as a youngster I was told that mileage between cities was measured General Post Office to General Post Office, which would, if true, put the centre at 19 Easton Road. Another candidate, perhaps?
@nmuzza1
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video!
@PingoUTFG
Жыл бұрын
In my mind the top of corn street is the the centre, but that is probably based heavily on my sister living there at one point
@worldmusictheory
Жыл бұрын
that also used to be the centre too, the old dutch house and castle park were the centre for years.
@simonirvine1628
Жыл бұрын
Very Good
@robertedwards3551
Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Cardiff which feels very much like a cousin of Bristol and it seems to have suffered from almost identically, corrupt or incompetent local planners & politicians and I have come to the conclusion that the one senior role missing in councils is that of a creative director. A creative director is someone who can balance the explicit and the abstract, leading to a thoughtful progression of development that deals with all points of view and can manage the disappointments of those who disagree but always articulate the reasoning. It is this lack of articulation that is most infuriating and has led us to the hodge-podge of developments that we live with today. Bristol is not alone, Stratford on Avon comes to mind, Reading, Luton, Birmingham, Manchester thinks its done a good job but its awful.
@Polpey
Жыл бұрын
Cardiff has a really clear centre though. I lived in Bristol during my early childhood and when we moved to Cardiff, the contrast was striking. You can argue about the exact spot, but the area depicted on John Speed's 1610 map - the old walled town, with the castle on its northern edge - is pretty clearly the heart of what people locally call "Town". This, of course, is surrounded by other places also thought of as the city centre, including the Principality Stadium, St David's shopping centres, Queen Street and so on, but the old town is the heart of it. If I had to pick a spot, I'd say it was the crossroads of St Mary's Street, High Street, Quay Street and Church Street.
@robertedwards3551
Жыл бұрын
@@Polpey I agree that this would be the spot and it probably helps that Cardiff is so much smaller than Bristol, making a centre easier to place. There seems to be a common theme though where previous retail developments have been left to decay rather than be renewed and that planners seem also happy to allow it. In the case of Bristol I would say that Broadmead has been sacrificed for the sake of Cabot Circus and in Cardiff the new Hayes developments have been allowed while Queen Street pays the price.
@huwsalway4099
4 ай бұрын
@@robertedwards3551it is smaller but has a much bigger metro area
@huwsalway4099
4 ай бұрын
Also what makes the centre of Cardiff more obvious from a distance is the growth of much taller buildings in the centre in the last 10 years with several of more than 30 storeys due to go up in the next couple of years. The centre is also much flatter than Bristol’s
@alanyoung-vz3tx
Жыл бұрын
The dead centre of Bristol is Arno's Vale.
@crillbus8876
Жыл бұрын
the centre of bristol to me hasd always been college green . im from Bedminster
@klhaldane
2 жыл бұрын
Can you cover the camera obscura? I never did work out exactly how that works, although I am reliably informed one can occasionally catch interesting goings-on the other sides of hedges in the park.
@PedestrianDiversions
2 жыл бұрын
Haha! Not sure that I'd get away with filming inside without asking for permission, and I'm not really operating on that level of organisation generally.
@dansheppard2965
Жыл бұрын
I've only visited Bristol a couple of times and, coincidentally, both times, I've had a few hours to kill just by wandering around. Unaware of all this controversy, "The Centre" felt like the centre of the city, even though I didn't know what it was called. Maybe extending all the way from the Cabot Statue up to the Nelson Street end of Broadmead. Maybe the Burke statue is where I'd measure everything from, if I had to for a map, or something.
@felixkendall-muniesa8971
Жыл бұрын
Btw id like to say that coming from Bristol scottbury road is not by the mound it’s actually by purdown, the mound is another name for narrow ways which is in bs2
@petemcbraida9900
Жыл бұрын
Well I guess it depends which end of Stottbury you're talking about. The houses at the Rousham Rd end pretty much back onto narraoways, where the footbridge crosses the railway.
@sueross2850
Жыл бұрын
I think distances to London are to Hyde Park Corner. Apsley House, which stands there, is officially 1, London.
@jamesbong4928
Жыл бұрын
Gosh you poms make an enthralling video
@antonseer
2 жыл бұрын
Hi enjoying watching your videos, I was wondering if there is a point where all main roads meet, or intersect. Would that give us something to campare with your VG ideas. Sorry I’m late for a comment, only just found video. Anton
@PedestrianDiversions
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah good thought but hard to identify any clear single nexus these days, there's been so much rebuilding in the C20th. Both the new roads like the M32 and the historic intercity trunk routes like Bath Road, Wells Road, Gloucester Road, Bridgwater Road etc, seem to all merge into the remaining half of what was supposed to be an inner ring road rather than intersecting each other per se
@alan7165
Жыл бұрын
In Australia we measure from the Post Office. !
@Deepthought-42
Жыл бұрын
That might have worked in UK a few years ago but, with privatisation of the UK Post Office, and the closure of many post offices we would probably find our city centres would suddenly be relocated to an out of town distribution centre because of “economies” or “efficiency.” 🤔 Or, heaven forbid, with the demise of paper based mail to an offshore server for handling email 🤣
@spuggym8986
Жыл бұрын
Defining the boundaries of cities in the UK is so difficult, there's so many different ways to divide them
@thisishere3071
Жыл бұрын
very cool
@hannahstill6323
Жыл бұрын
Someone running down the (non-mixed use) cycle path and a deliveroo rider on a Voi!
@BenSenneck92
Жыл бұрын
I thought distances were measured to a post office in the centre of a town?
@salinebrain
Жыл бұрын
It's level 5 of Trenchard street car park
@grendel_nz
Жыл бұрын
A distributed conurbation is much more livable and should have fewer traffic jams. I'm sure hoomans can stuff it up tho ;)
@-M0LE
Жыл бұрын
The centre is by the fountains and docks Broadmead is the rest
@scottjock
6 ай бұрын
In my mind the centre feels directly opposite the Hippodrome
@stephenfarthing3819
Жыл бұрын
As a Bristolian - I say Cogswallop! Bristol is Bristol. And sits where it lies. The boundary and areas of it. Is where it is! I consider it as irrelevant!
@jo3ld0wn
Жыл бұрын
Surely the true centre of Bristol is Turbo Island?!
@alfiewright1396
Жыл бұрын
For me, the centre is the centre
@ChamaraIresh
Жыл бұрын
cool
@antonycharnock2993
Жыл бұрын
Interesting that you showed Sheffield because you'd be very hard put to decide on the centre of Sheffield with it having a mile long sinuous shopping area from the historic Castlegate area to the blitzed post war modernism of The Moor. It did have an old market place which in the 1960's became the iconic and infamous "hole in the road" a unique subterranean shopping experience which many considered the centre until it was filled in for the Supertram network in 1994. Or there was the Goodwin Fountain outside the town hall made famous in the Pulp song Disco 2000. Currently because of the loss of so much retail the city centre is being centralized around the Pinstone Street/Barkers Pool area. Its a bit like your recent video on the downfall of shopping areas in Bristol. kzitem.info/news/bejne/0Wp30J1tfHiVgo4
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
that wasnt mine :) I don't know sheffield well tbh, one visit long long ago and that was as a base for the peaks l, didnt really explore the city
@whatsmore5533
Жыл бұрын
Bristol should be the centre for a new parliament for the people. Id vote for that.
@jccjjccj3305
Жыл бұрын
I’m a Bristolian and it looks like you left out avonmouth as part of Bristol
@marccarter1350
Жыл бұрын
Hartcliffe
@diabl2master
Жыл бұрын
Weight by population.
@PedestrianDiversions
Жыл бұрын
great idea. but a bit beyond my abilities perhaps
@prettypointlessvideo
Жыл бұрын
14:33
@gregoryporkloin
Жыл бұрын
clenched up
@indexpictures
Жыл бұрын
the planetarium should be the centre just because it's class
@retroactivejealousy-worldl1805
Жыл бұрын
Just saw someone had the same task locating the centre of Wiltshire- kzitem.info/news/bejne/sHyCm5-IsauXaHo
@jlynn732
Жыл бұрын
So Much Ugly in One City..Reminds me of manchester
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