I love how they're talking about the onerous regulations that block new home construction like they aren't the one who put the rules in place in the first place
@GreatistheWorld
20 күн бұрын
don’t complain if they’re changing their minds for the better!
@mindyobeeznis
20 күн бұрын
@@GreatistheWorld ill believe it's a change when they vote to appeal rent controls, zoning, etc that prevents new construction
@woodchuck003
20 күн бұрын
what is the standard progressive who has been calling all the deregulators Nazis for the last 20 years going to do when they realize the DNC is advocating for deregulation?
@badmofaux
20 күн бұрын
Just heard yesterday about the exciting new field of heat regulations for new construction As in climate change, as in heat events, as in what used to be known as summer.
@joshstevens9528
20 күн бұрын
@@GreatistheWorld Don't think that they're going to reverse the bad regulations. They're much more likely to impose some new bullshit regulation like "25% of all new units must be under X square feet and exclusively for first time home buyers" or "$10,000 credit per unit built in historically black and brown areas"
@joshuablaz
20 күн бұрын
Two guards stand before a gate. They both say they're totally pro freedom, we promise. You can ask as many questions as you want, but their answers mean nothing. When one is picked, they'll be revealed as the anti-libertarian guard and the other guard will spend 4 years calling you an idiot for making the wrong choice (they're also anti-libertarian).
@homewall744
20 күн бұрын
My freedom shouldn't be built on forcing others to fund it, act on it, etc. You don't make one person free by enslaving others via government threats of violence
@LabelsAreMeaningless
20 күн бұрын
They seem to define 'freedom' as, you can do anything you want so long as we like what you're saying and doing.
@shaun7142
20 күн бұрын
Sounds like the GOP as well.
@01nmuskier
20 күн бұрын
@@shaun7142 I remember who pushed lockdowns and medical mandates. Who told FB, Google, YT, Twitter, and Instagram who and what to censor? It wasn't Republicans.
@Ryan-is-me
20 күн бұрын
@@shaun7142 Yes, always make sure to virtue signal for equity between parties. You can't forget to mention the GOP whenever the DNC is mentioned. It would be horrible if we lived in a world where we didn't hate both parties equally (even though one is clearly much worse than the other right now). It wouldn't be right if we neglected to criticize the GOP just as much as the DNC
@shaun7142
20 күн бұрын
@@Ryan-is-me Let me guess, you support the GOP and you don't like the fact that I called out your favored flavor of authoritarians. Sorry, but just because you like the guy who instigated a riot because he lost an election, that doesn't mean I can't call them out. And if you think otherwise, thanks for proving my point.
@mustang607
20 күн бұрын
…and thinking.
@theunironicboomerang
20 күн бұрын
Jane certainly seems to like the sound of her own voice as well as the word "like"
@TansuTansu2
20 күн бұрын
I think she also discovered the word "rhetorical" and wanted to use it - like - alot.........
@theunironicboomerang
20 күн бұрын
@@TansuTansu2 absolutely! And I'll bet she couldn't define it considering she was using it incorrectly. I'm really confused why someone so clearly "not a libertarian" was asked to speak on the subject of freedom... And then allowed to keep speaking.
@7th_CAV_Trooper
18 күн бұрын
@@theunironicboomerang right?
@jeffbeamer9882
20 күн бұрын
Interesting to hear what politicians say when they are unable to talk about any aspect of their 4 year administration which has been a complete failure by any metric.
@michellebarnes7640
20 күн бұрын
They define freedom the same way Hegel did: freedom from contingency or chance. In other words freedom from reality.
@jeffreyscott4997
18 күн бұрын
It seems more like freedom from causality. "Freedom" is our duty to them to make all ways of life a road to happiness. "And God said, take what you want and pay for it." is oppression, freedom is having no price.
@terrancemichaelmitchell6484
20 күн бұрын
Freedom of speech not addressed?
@AtaraxiaaixaratA
20 күн бұрын
I wish I had a $1 for every time this woman says the word "like". Oh & yes Jane? Conventions are supposed to be where a political party goes to work and 'hash out big ideas'. It's also sick to hear so many references to God or Faith at the DNC convention. Knowing good & damn well they loath religion or hierarchy.
@shericonoversharlow8997
17 күн бұрын
National political conventions do not hash out big ideas, at least not the major parties - any serious hashing out is done in platform and committees that are out of media view. It's a highly choreographed celebration - was a youth delegate in '80 and was surprised how choreographed our actions were, to the point that it was hilarious. Libertarian conventions do real work, and it gets heated; surely it's the same for Greens, because our national conventions do what major parties pretend theirs do.
@jwf2125
20 күн бұрын
Sorry, I’m bailing on Jane. There’s a WSJ vid on What Freedom Means to Walz and the Dems. Maybe more meat there. Be well, all.
@jwf2125
20 күн бұрын
Is Jane the guest? I ask because she’s monopolizing the convo, which would be ok if she didn’t constantly digress into irrelevant anecdotes from her personal life. If she’s a regular I wish she’d back off a little and not interrupt so much.
@bsmithhammer
20 күн бұрын
Some good points made, but went off into the weeds far too often. I think this could have been distilled into a more focused convo, if someone reigned Coaston in on all her ping-pong tangents.
@jwf2125
20 күн бұрын
It was Jane taking it into the weeds. And interrupting. And introducing irrelevant personal anecdotes. I hope she mellows out some.
@bsmithhammer
20 күн бұрын
@@jwf2125 Coaston was speaking 80% of the time, not Liz. Or Zach, for that matter. And when Liz did speak up, it was because she was trying to get the conversation back to clear Libertarian principles rather than a bunch of personal stories that were marginally relevant.
@johnnykilroy3026
20 күн бұрын
@@bsmithhammer Coaston is Jane. Jane is Coaston. Liz Wolfe is the other host with Zach.
@bsmithhammer
20 күн бұрын
@@johnnykilroy3026 Whatever - you get my point.
@robertjones7327
19 күн бұрын
By “Freedom” they mean “freestuff”
@humanentity5890
20 күн бұрын
A VOX journalist? 😅
@tomcraver9659
20 күн бұрын
"Freedom'" is just a word we can use to look good.
@Rametetr
20 күн бұрын
Is the guest referring to how the dnc came off rhetorically? I wasn't quite clear on that
@theunironicboomerang
20 күн бұрын
@@Rametetr she just like saying the word
@chrisocony
19 күн бұрын
It was pretty sweet when Kamala Harris ended her speech talking about: "the greatest privilege on Earth: the privilege and pride of being an American." So awesome, basically negating the idea of the "marginilized" who are in fact privileged.
@FestusParker-sm9gg
16 күн бұрын
Walz talks about freedom and says "mind your own damn business" yet created a snitch line during covid.
@chrisocony
19 күн бұрын
Liz, instead of thinking of the average Democrat as Cori Bush, think of the average Democrat as Andy Beshear (or Jared Polis). Then everything you say about "the Democrats" falls apart.
@chrisocony
19 күн бұрын
No freedom to smoke pot in the red states, even Virginia which legalized it but the Republican governor is preventing any stores from opening.
@cleroyster2610
20 күн бұрын
Democrats spell freedom: Kamunism.
@bryson8918
20 күн бұрын
and ReasonTV spells it zionism
@badmofaux
20 күн бұрын
@@bryson8918Time for a new thesis.
@Reubentheimitator6572
18 күн бұрын
@@bryson8918how
@brandonberg4798
19 күн бұрын
Richard Stallman: Now, when I say "free software," I mean free as in free speech, not free as in free beer. Harris and Walz: Huh?
@davidhoyt4006
20 күн бұрын
I LOVE Liz’s morning email newsletter!
@noneofyourbiz112
19 күн бұрын
some of the things the guest said were interesting, but boy does she love the sound of her own voice! I'm actually tapping out before the episode is done because verbal incontinence can become really grating on the nerves.
@greasemonkey568
20 күн бұрын
Freedom from Freedom
@cradystezen846
19 күн бұрын
Talking about Democrats' rhetoric on freedom like we're in anything even close to a normal political environment right now is why people don't respect Reason. And I don't know about anyone else but my god did I get sick of hearing Jane go off for 15 minutes at a time while somehow saying nothing important. I feel like Zach was starting to feel the same way by the end
@jeffreyhill4705
20 күн бұрын
The Rousseau definition, government is there to make you free.
@FarberBob678
20 күн бұрын
Rousseau also said that we all need to follow the "general will"
@Russell_Huston
20 күн бұрын
@@FarberBob678 Rousseau was at best a fool. Whenever people, especially would be government officials drink deeply from his well, it's a disaster.
@JackVz
20 күн бұрын
Natural law >>>>>>>> common law
@chrisocony
19 күн бұрын
It's true that many establishment Democrats went off the deep end in 2020, which paved the way for Biden to win the nomination which shows that even then the majority wasn't crazy. 2024 is like a renunciation of that whole experience and it was good to see.
@badmofaux
20 күн бұрын
This girl has one trick and she loves to use it Good for her tho, she’s the one with the successful media career. I am but a lowly dirt farmer.
@upperroomtoo
20 күн бұрын
This was more liberal than libertarian but the main critique I have is the conflating philosophical positions in support of traditional family and child rearing as some tyrannical move by the "new right". Clearly what we are watching is millennials coming of age and pushing back against the intersectional indoctrination they all undertook in public education their whole grade school experience. Even here in rural NC we had the high school passing out pamphlets on having safe anal and oral sex all the way back in 09' where several of us local pastors had to say not on our watch.
@tucsonbandit
16 күн бұрын
They are being truthful about 'freedom' just as much as Kamala was when she looked up in her stroller at a MLK rally or whatever and said "Fweeeedom!", then everybody clapped.
@goontheracoon
20 күн бұрын
Leave idiotic "morals" behind.. think in terms of survival, fuck other ppl and their troubbles, focus on who's not gonna tax you further while all spending power is down in the dump.. thats freedom, you have to have capital to thrive in a capitalistic system.
@josephrohland5604
18 күн бұрын
I've discovered the "problem issue" with the Libertarian Party and its promoters/media advocates. The Libertarian model is so easy to define and understand and live out that it's promoters and media advocates feel the need to confuse/build-up the definition and its understanding simply to have enough content for their shows. Libertarianism's simplicity is lost in all the RHETORIC. It's exhausting, just like Liz Wolfe.
@7th_CAV_Trooper
18 күн бұрын
This girl is hard left. I'm fine giving her a voice, but don't lie about it when you introduce her. You missed an opportunity to deconstruct the poisonous rhetoric spread by speakers at the DNC.
@gandralf
19 күн бұрын
Good chat. Thanks.
@bradbel
20 күн бұрын
Here’s a question for any peep that wants to answer it. I’m a classical liberal what I would call a moderate or centrist and the biggest issue I have with libertarian thinking, and I get the fact that I am assuming everybody thinks the same is the concept of the Commonwealth. I think liberty and Commonwealth should be balanced, and the Commonwealth means things like environmental protection and in general air is gotten cleaner and water has gotten cleaner of the last25 to 30 years and that’s mostly because of regulation so it seems like libertarianism fall short when it comes to regulation like that. Comments from the crew?
@LabelsAreMeaningless
20 күн бұрын
Regulation is not what helps things. It is what drives small businesses under since they're unable to simply pay off fines or jump through hoops like the big guys and don't have lobbying power. Tech advances have always been what has lowered emissions and pollution over time because things become more efficient. Businesses in a properly working system are incentivized to be as efficient on resources as possible, otherwise they're losing sales to those who can price lower due to needing less resources. Also, people naturally will buy more from someone who puts out less pollution (especially when it comes to local business). There's so much more to this issue than you're aware and you have to stop trying to form your mental picture based upon your pre-conditioned preferences/understanding.
@meisherenow
20 күн бұрын
Lot's of libertarians accept that the state has a duty to protect common property, like air and water. How best to do it is where we usually disagree. We tend to prefer taxes and purchasable permits to regulations.
@chriflu
20 күн бұрын
I think a lot of this has to do with what these "labels" - classically liberal, moderate, centrist, libertarian - even mean. This also differs between societies, for example, here in continental Europe, self-described "liberal" parties are usually fiscally conservative, center-right, pro-business etc. while in North America over the past 100+ years or so "liberal" has almost become synonymous with "left-leaning". Therefore - at least this is a narrative that I have heard quite frequently - American "old-school liberals" needed a new label and started calling themselves "libertarians". However, over the last few decades, I feel that a big portion of North American "libertarians" went through several cycles of what Jane calls the "purity spiral" in this podcast. Paradoxically, this has lead to a situation in which the label "libertarian" has become less and less meaningful - at least in my experience. Whenever I get into political discussions with people of other ideological persuasions, inevitably after 5-10 minutes, they say: Oh, I see, you're a libertarian. Because my approach usually is: Before we think about how the government can help solve this problem by doing MORE, let's explore how it could help solve it by doing LESS (unintended consequences, etc.). Meanwhile, a lot of the people calling themselves libertarians in the US nowadays seem to be like: "If you think the government should be able to infringe on my God-given right to down a bottle of vodka and then drive my self-constructed nuclear-powered race car down the highway at 150mph while firing in the air with my assault rifle and having sex with my consenting aunt as long as I don't hurt any-one, you are more authoritarian than Hitler and Stalin combined and have no right to call yourself a libertarian, you bigotted libtard. Read up on the non-aggression principle!" In a nutshell, it comes down to your definition of "libertarian thinking". Thinkers such as F.A. Hayek were not anti-regulation. They just argued that regulation should be as abstract and non-arbitrary as possible in order not to interfere with the dynamics of the free market. The same applies to Popper and Friedman, whom I also count among the most lasting influences on my way of thinking about government action. Does this make me a "libertarian"? I don't know anymore. It used to. When I look at "big-L" libertarians in the US today, I certainly seem to have very little in common with them, starting with the job interview for Putin spokesperson that was Dave Smith's appearance on this podcast. However, when I look at "small-l" libertarians such as the hosts of this podcast or Cato Institute - they don't clash with the idea of commonwealth or the fact that some - limited - government is necessary, for example to protect the environment or to lift people out of poverty. They just seem to agree with my generic gut instinct: When in doubt, keep the government out. Maybe the word "libertarian" is going down the same road as the word "liberal": being usurped by people who went down the "purity spiral" to the point that it does not mean anything anymore.
@authenticallysuperficial9874
19 күн бұрын
If you assume everybody thinks the same about the concept of a Commonwealth, you assume foolishly indeed.
@KriegerKrieg
14 күн бұрын
The sound engineer needed to level Jane's audio because of her shouting the beginning of every sentence.
@jamestillman3150
17 күн бұрын
Before watching this video, I’m going to define how dems define freedom. Here goes: being able to partake in any degeneracy without judgement of any kind and/or the ability to never face the consequences of your actions
@anobonano7
20 күн бұрын
That is a great question…
@woodchuck003
20 күн бұрын
I am shocked that someone who works for the New York Times sounds this reasonable. I hope this doesn't mean she getting fired soon.
@WF-vm8sp
20 күн бұрын
Kiss your 'freedom good bye if them clowns win.
@chrisocony
19 күн бұрын
Um, they won in 2020, clown.
@jerrold3685
20 күн бұрын
Good interview. Not what I was expecting.
@RobinP556
19 күн бұрын
Referring to Jane, did Liz or Zach get to speak at all?!
@chuckecheese5251
20 күн бұрын
Okay Ahmed arbery was 2019 Brianna Taylor I think was 2017 or 2016 it was many years before and she completely overlooked Jacob Blake who was clearly kidnapping kids from an ex-girlfriend and stealing her car which was a rental with a knife that he stole from her kitchen and it was treated as exactly the same and then with Brianna Taylor they never even instituted a no-knock warrant because if they had he would not have shot through the wall at the police
@detectiveofmoneypolitics
20 күн бұрын
Detective of Money Politics is following this very compelling question for freedom and cheers from VK3GFS and 73s from Frank
@GreatistheWorld
20 күн бұрын
Coaston is the best political commentator today and it isn’t particularly close. So glad she’s on
@johnmcgraw3577
20 күн бұрын
Always love hearing from Jane. She has some really good, rationale takes.
@abramgaller2037
20 күн бұрын
"Freedom from" statements may be effective rhetoric, but are applesauce and anybody proffering it is less than forthright .
@BigMikeGuitar
18 күн бұрын
The Liberal ideology assessment of freedom is highly flawed. The social freedom component enables individuals and groups to exist in damaging abstraction from science and sustainability protocols. The economic freedom component enables individuals and groups to exist in damaging abstraction from systems-based functionality, systems-based desirability regarding the hierarchy of human needs, and environmental sustainability. The economic freedom that the American establishment defends - both Democrat and Republican - is the freedom to be either homeless or a billionaire, in abstraction from negative systems-based consequences both social and environmental. Meanwhile, a correct implementation of freedom would design providing for the hierarchy of human needs in a sustainable manner, including design environmental sustainability. Anything else occupies the spectrum of Paleo-regressive tribalism, the in-group/out-group dynamics of exceptionalism, supremacy, and enemy demonization expressed at the individual level, sociopathy, psychopathy, social Darwinism, social murder, and ecocide.
@johnathankonandreas6074
6 күн бұрын
They literally just mean abortion.
@bryson8918
20 күн бұрын
ReasonTV doesn't use the term libertarian correctly. They use a "definition" (misunderstanding) that is unique to the U.S... Abroad, Libertarian means something very different. Rothbard even admitted it in his book The Betrayal Of The American Right. “One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over...”
@GreatistheWorld
20 күн бұрын
1) reason has been a libertarian magazine for 56 years 2) there’s as many types of libertarianism as there are libertarians that’s kind of the whole thing 3) you just block quoted Rothbard in a KZitem comment. The dude that famously only believed one thing his entire life, got many political goals accomplished and was very normal about it the whole time
@bryson8918
20 күн бұрын
@@GreatistheWorld Rothbard, an American "libertarian" admitted to taking the word from "his enemy" IE actual libertarians. There are many types libertarians I agree. but there is no such thing as being a right wing libertarian. Outside of the u.s, that is an oxymoron.. as much of an oxymoron as a pacifist zionist. ReasonTV is a private tyranny apologist zionist magazine. That's what you meant to say.
@badmofaux
20 күн бұрын
@@bryson8918This just in: words mean different things depending on who’s using them and where
@bryson8918
20 күн бұрын
@@badmofaux I mean he literally said captured from the enemy. I know right wingers want to call themselves libertarians so desperately. It’s ok, I won’t stop you. You’ll just be a liar like anti war zionists LOL
@JackVz
20 күн бұрын
Theres right wing libertarians like Roth and Hoppe (I'm one) but most libertarians are crypto-AnComs. They're basically Trotskyites. they want the same global utopian egalitarian stateless oppression free society that communists want. They just disagree on a couple issues.
@robertkier9343
20 күн бұрын
I'm not a fan of Trump, but no other president could have gotten the vaccine so quickly.
@TonyLing
20 күн бұрын
I like democracy, it underpins Western civilisation.
@7th_CAV_Trooper
18 күн бұрын
Not really.
@andyminniti8563
20 күн бұрын
What specific issues is she talking about ? I’m watching this and waiting for you to actually say something defining the subject . Did you take classes from Vice President Kampala !
@chuckecheese5251
20 күн бұрын
I feel like this woman is the equivalent of having like Benny Johnson on but on the opposite side she's pretty dishonest she's conspiratorial she and her words is doing not picking as it's really just cherry-picking I know she's got a train invent a new word or maybe she couldn't remember what cherry picking was called I mean she completely overlooked that the quote criminal Justice reform is 100% top down from the government on to the people in the US she constantly rails on about things like Republicans trying to outlaw living be Virginia and that's part of the platform and then trying to overturn gay marriage and I'm sure if she thought she could get away with it saying that Republicans were trying to reinstitute slavery I mean it's just such a sad and gross interview and it's so dishonest it's almost like talking to an actual communist or an antifa member or like chairman Mao or Stalin and just treating them like their regular person you know like Dave Smith did with Nick Fuentes and it's just really gross like when Nate silver was on and he was just like, just made it on her own merits she's just totally become popular overnight miraculously I mean its total garbage I know it you know it the viewers know it like why why even do this
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