It's a silly argument to have, but to clarify the Latin Rite's model: Left to right is an echoing of the ancient practice of the Baptismal promise, in which they would first turn to the West (left on a compass - place of darkness/setting sun) and refuse Satan's work and empty promises. Then they turned to the East (right on a compass - place of dawning light) and accept God and His covenant. It is also a reminder that we are all connected to Christ as members of the Priesthood of all believers. The Eastern and Western Rites are both valid and good. Why further the divide by condemning over something so minor?
@johnsimmons5951
11 ай бұрын
Jasonrodgers880 - I agree with you it’s a minor issue to argue about. But it’s interesting to consider that it’s only us Latin Catholics who do the sign of the cross left to right, when the 23 eastern Catholic Churches, & all the orthodox & orthodox oriental & oriental churches go right to left. Consider that I’ve never heard/read of any eastern Christian mention the direction of the sign of the cross or the position of the fingers when making the sign of the cross as an issue against unification. My particular issue with the sign of the cross is when people don’t make distinct gestures with their hands, that is when they sort of wave their hands in an approximation of the sign of the cross.
@jasonrodgers880
11 ай бұрын
@@johnsimmons5951 I’m in full agreement with you about people not making the motions mindfully, including when kneeling / genuflecting. It’s frustrating to be sure. As to left to right vs right to left, the reason that Latin Rite Catholics do the way we do is because we follow the tradition of the priesthood of all believers in persona Christi whereas the others focus on the ordained priest as the head (in persona Christi capitis). It’s as simple as that.
@calebcunningham3034
8 ай бұрын
This seems more playful than condemning. I think it is very healthy, like it is when guys relax with one another, to jest and poke a bit. Not too much. It can help us confront reality with the boldness that reality requires on larger issues.
@jasonrodgers880
8 ай бұрын
@@calebcunningham3034this was more playful than condemning. That’s true. However, I’ve been on the receiving end of waaay too much venom from people who truly believed that the western style is actually demonic, as if Catholics who do so are undoing the blessing of the priest. Ignorance of that sort, uncorrected, can lead to venomous attacks like I’ve received.
@jasonrodgers880
8 ай бұрын
@@SaintRomzha I think you missed what I said. The ancient practice I referenced was the baptismal form. Not the sign of the cross. The way all Catholics make the sign of the cross is from the same form. The difference is in the fact that the Latin Rite focuses on the priesthood of all believers while the Eastern tend to have the people reflecting the blessing of the priest.
@Changed_By_Christ
5 ай бұрын
I was not expecting that voice😂❤️
@michele-33
5 ай бұрын
I felt the same when I first heard our Catholic brother.. Voice of Reason ✝️ Look up 'Posh Redneck'... He has a similar voice.
@herbertmcsherb6318
Жыл бұрын
bro ripped his video to say "hes right"
@PrimationNation
5 ай бұрын
Roman Catholic here. I’ve never thought about it but I can imagine this being such a beautiful thing to do in unison. Lol I do love the friend banter amongst brothers in Christ though 😊 I love my Byzantine boys and gals ❤️
@virginlamo8202
15 күн бұрын
My boy Jon is the best.
@RogueMonk3
6 ай бұрын
I always go up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, A, B, select, start
@hb-temp
6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 nah because I actually was doing it while reading it, until I saw A, B, Select, Start 😂😂
@RogueMonk3
6 ай бұрын
@@hb-temp 🤣🤣🤣
@michaelyemariamlij2633
10 ай бұрын
As an Ethiopian Orthodox we learned to make from left right meaning jesus came from heaven of heavens to take us from hell(left ) to heaven (right).
@mrpenis6969
4 ай бұрын
convert to catholicism
@ArashiNoSeito
Жыл бұрын
im not byzantine rite but im just glad to see caths getting along
@nathangomes8381
10 ай бұрын
Byzantines are Catholic Bro😂✌️ They are our Eastern Brothers.
@ArashiNoSeito
10 ай бұрын
@@nathangomes8381 i know, thats why i said im not byzantine *RITE*. im latin rite, i was referring to the video. the guy in the video is eastern catholic. i'm not eastern catholic, [anyway] im glad to see caths getting along
@M-up9js
8 ай бұрын
I'm no brother to heretics, idolaters, or schismatics. lol!
@ArashiNoSeito
8 ай бұрын
@@M-up9js 何?
@M-up9js
8 ай бұрын
@@ArashiNoSeito they are not Catholic
@BKT_04
Жыл бұрын
But both are correct though, it seems kinda stupid to argue about that
@fruitZzed
Жыл бұрын
Its a joke
@Asildriez
Жыл бұрын
But is it though? You know they take idol worship very seriously in that religion.@@fruitZzed
@5050TM
Жыл бұрын
It's literally for fun
@bobthejamsandwich5335
Жыл бұрын
Idol worship? So the cross is an idol? Go back to bed.@@Asildriez
@MercifuIGod
11 ай бұрын
@@Asildriezno, Catholics do not worship idols.
@laurafortier9295
5 ай бұрын
Loving this
@longlivekingcharles3203
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think god wants us to focus on how we do the cross with our hands
@sarontesfazion9229
5 ай бұрын
It’s just to show that Jesus come from heaven to take us from hell which is left to heven which is right right and left is just metaphor for hell and heaven
@JonathanGull
3 ай бұрын
Bro is too chad for them❤😊
@VictoriaHaouliy
5 ай бұрын
Right to left in Orthodoxy as well ♥️🙌☦️
@DamnItCarl-
26 күн бұрын
I did not expect that voice from this gentleman! So, I’m to mirror what the Fr’s/priests etc do and not the same as they do?
@dcdc4334
5 ай бұрын
Cmon guys. The "we up" is a cool thing for restoration of the "split-brothers" 😂 The "Byzantine boys... we up" for me! You made my day...😅
@IsaiahINRI
Ай бұрын
So real. This is the reason I chose EO.
@danielarellano2495
8 ай бұрын
Eastern Orthodoxy☦️
@ochem123
6 ай бұрын
The Filioque is correct. ❤
@danielarellano2495
6 ай бұрын
@@ochem123 Catholics added that. It wasn’t God who told them that. It’s mans ideas
@duelz9366
6 ай бұрын
@@ochem123it breaks your theology
@harrys2912
6 ай бұрын
Based
@tamaravujacic
6 ай бұрын
@@ochem123 Filioque is heresy!
@crumbb_m
7 ай бұрын
That's- that's what's holding you up, brodie.... Okay, man😂😂😂
@ConettaF
6 ай бұрын
I actually love that the Church has so much variation. Outsiders think we are all exactly the same, but this is only on major moral issues.
@signlanguage7624
10 ай бұрын
We’re all brothers shout out to you Byzantine boys from the west
@kellyedington8716
Жыл бұрын
I do it differently at random times. I like to leave the gas pump on random digits also lol
@matt-ee1hi
9 ай бұрын
I’m Byzantine catholic and this is such a minor detail, it really doesn’t matter which way you do it
@ferdinand8994
6 ай бұрын
Says who? You? Remember the occult atuff going on in the chatolic leadership, also symbolism is the language of the elites, small things can mean a lot
@matt-ee1hi
6 ай бұрын
@@ferdinand8994 what kinda bohemian grove ahh cults are you on😭🙏 it does not matter which you way do the sign of the cross the right or left
@ferdinand8994
6 ай бұрын
@@matt-ee1hi white sissy saying ahh proved me everything i needed to know. Have a nice day. There's no arguments i want with you.
@saldol9862
Жыл бұрын
As a Roman Catholic I’ve always done it right to left because I learned (incorrectly) to mirror the priest facing the congregation. I say incorrectly because I would do so with the hand open. Now I do it with two fingers to the palm and three fingers together, right to left, because after an Orthodox friend explained it to me and after I saw its use in Eastern Catholic churches I found the practice amenable to my beliefs.
@sandras1685
Жыл бұрын
You can use three fingers in honor of the Holy Trinity but you can also use an open hand in honor of the five wounds of Christ.
@savagemode.
Ай бұрын
@@sandras1685Yep, i was gonna say that.
@rochellefrancis2864
7 ай бұрын
Your expressions are lit😂😂🔥🔥
@user-yo9rs2yb7c
10 ай бұрын
Had to watch it 2-3 times cuz the “we up” was just amazing ahahahaha you gotta cut it and put it in other videos foreal🤣
@jasmineandrose123
12 күн бұрын
But to add to the confusion, I have noticed some Latin priests blessing the other way, so that we mirror him when going from left to right!
@llandonross1372
11 ай бұрын
I’m dead lol, when I was Catholic as the old saying goes “ When in Rome “ , pun intended. The Tewahedo sing of the Cross is unique
@simsujemy
11 ай бұрын
What is this Tewahedo sign of the cross?
@julieCA58
6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂Love you Byzantine boys. Wish I was 50 years younger. I think you guys have more fun 😀😀
@rital829
7 ай бұрын
If that is your only problem, god bless you!!!
@jackrockwell7776
6 ай бұрын
Jesus himself said we must be better than the scribes and the pharoahsies. "I didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it".
@brandenimhoff2713
5 ай бұрын
Roman Catholics are modern day Pharisees.
@margarethnyamushonongora7522
11 ай бұрын
He is right. Zimbabwean in South Africa. and a catechistin my parish.
@mmaguy0
5 ай бұрын
Amen
@lucillebonds2196
6 ай бұрын
St. Augustine said: In Essentials, we have Unity; In non-Essentials, we have liberty; and In all Things, charity.
@mtothethirdmendez3844
3 ай бұрын
As a Catholic I thought we did it to the right because Jesus sits at the right hand side of the thrown but either way I’m fine with it and love my Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters and any one who is my sibling In Christ
@Onlyafool172
6 ай бұрын
Thats very smart
@leland4207
5 ай бұрын
and that’s why the orthodox church is the correct church
@imagohawke6991
6 ай бұрын
I do left to right because, " for Thine(up Kether ), is the Kingdom(down,malkuth), the power( chesed, left), and the glory( geburah,down) forever and ever Amen.
@MikePasqqsaPekiM
5 ай бұрын
Well, that’s a new objection. Didn’t see that coming 🤷♂️
@pg_makedon_2960
6 ай бұрын
Yes on the right to left with the right hand remember 😅
@twinmomma2011
Жыл бұрын
Because originally in the catholic mass the priest used to have his back to the people because he faced the altar with the people. So it's only confusing because the priests have turned around to face the people.
@dansedevie123
9 ай бұрын
They turn around to bless the people though
@paul-davidalmond716
5 ай бұрын
I’ve always wondered why the priest seems to make the sound of the cross backwards from our perspective.
@greciadelgado21
Жыл бұрын
it just feels so weird for me to do it from right to left I just can’t 😭
@zigzac1650
5 ай бұрын
I'm still wondering how no one seems to care that it's an upside down cross.
@WolfGirl-si7bb
6 ай бұрын
We do Up Down Right Left (Christian Orthodox) three fingers united to represent the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holly Spirit) . The meaning is: "My God that came from the heavens (Up) down to earth as a human (Down) put us in your right side - like the thieve you forgave on the cross (Right) not on your left - like the thieve who never repented (Left). Right side of God is the good side (Heaven) 😇❤️
@siervodedios5952
22 күн бұрын
I've been trying to discern between Orthodoxy and Catholicism for quite some time now. It's not easy, incredibly difficult but I'm still trying to figure this out. Nonetheless, I was a Protestant and I will never go back. I'm sorry but I cannot go back to churches ultimately started by mere mortal men.
@tryingnottobeasmartass757
Жыл бұрын
When I was an Evangelical Protestant, I decided to start making the sign of the cross even while attending Baptist Church of which I was a member. I did it the Orthodox playing because that was how I learned how to do it from a website. It worked out: and Eastern Orthodox now.
@Gaz4113
6 ай бұрын
stares at him for a long while* Aight, now are we gonna break this bread and share this cup or what?
@carloschavez2875
4 ай бұрын
A high majority of scholars/clerics and practically all lay faithful don't know the history of signing. It's so much history to even share on a single post. Long story short, every rite has had its long history and theology into making the sign of the cross. Once again though, the Byzantines think they're better than everybody. FYI, other Eastern rites that go left to right, too.
@littleboots9800
6 ай бұрын
Hmm. Never thought about this, not a Catholic myself, (I'm Anglo Catholic,) and I never noticed if Im doing it differently to the Priest or others, probably because Im usually looking down. I go right to left. Im going to google it now to see if I'm doing it "wrong." Edit : I'm doing it wrong! 😂
@randallsunderland4331
5 ай бұрын
Orthodoxy for the win! Byzantine Catholics are mostly orthodox who got pulled into the Catholic Church for protection but if you get to know many of them, they are still orthodox in their hearts
@PraiseChristAlmighty
6 ай бұрын
I had to make the sign to remember which way I do it. It’s muscle memory so I don’t even think about it.
@HeavnzMiHome
Жыл бұрын
For me it depends on which hand I’m using. I often have a cane in my right hand and it’s easier to remember to sign the eastern way!😃
@roberthiguera6828
8 ай бұрын
I got Latin Right!! Left to Right!! Western never thought about it.
@manueltomatillos3348
9 ай бұрын
The sign of the cross is to invoke the trinity. all three divine persons are involved. each person has a part to play, not the same as the others. So no matter how you do the sign it is still invoking the holy trinity.
@Oceanclash
7 ай бұрын
they laugh at same error tho... so fun to watch
@ratatoskr9366
11 ай бұрын
We still arguing about this... 1054 was almost a thousand years ago.
@Aedrianoshniamicheal
5 ай бұрын
WE "UP" 😂😂😂
@msaechao205
6 ай бұрын
None of that matters only faith in God, Lord Jesus Christ n his sacrifice on the cross n his ressurection matters
@chrisdavis9928
21 күн бұрын
😊❤
@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua
3 ай бұрын
The rich boyfriend of Titanic's Rose was Catholic
@kennethprather9633
7 ай бұрын
I learned it head feet wallet watch. So top bottom my left pocket my right.
@konbsandiegopod9204
6 ай бұрын
Priest goes left to right, so we go left to right.
@georgia6789
5 ай бұрын
Orthodox Christianity ☦️
@reaperz186
6 ай бұрын
What a second. Makes no sense since Byzantine priest face the same direction as the congregation. So doesn’t matter which way they do it. Just like Latin mass. And if they do it front right to left the priest would be doing it left to right when he is facing the congregation. Please elaborate.
@flawio
10 ай бұрын
Joke's on all of you. I do half of a fish on the floor with my foot.
@xiomarablanco5598
4 ай бұрын
Why we, Catholics, do it that way (left and then right). Does anybody knows?
@Jack15060
6 ай бұрын
Romios here! 🦅🦅☦️☦️☦️🦅🦅
@avemaria4063
5 ай бұрын
If that's confusing to him, I can't imagine him understanding any concepts.
@AMashedPotatoes
5 ай бұрын
I know in the oder masses the priest would face away from the crowd and toward a crucifix, tabernacle, etc. maybe this has something to do with it idk
@catholicbeth2371
2 ай бұрын
Not something I would man the baracades over. It's like those who make the sign of the cross using three fingers, symbolising the Trinity vs those who use five fingers, symbolising the five wounds of Christ. Unity does not always require uniformity....
@Gio-ce8ob
3 ай бұрын
Who is the Catholic KZitemr in this video of Voice of Reason? Anyone know!
@evangelineverasammy6884
6 ай бұрын
No where in the Bible says make the sign of the cross that is Catholic ❤
@knowethjc29
5 ай бұрын
Intercession of the saints is against scripture according to 1 Timothy 2:5.
@Taylor-j8x
6 ай бұрын
Way more major things to worry about then signing the cross......
@J-PLeigh8409
Жыл бұрын
yeah...but..Christ at the heart, c'mon 📿... my time as a Lutheran we signed as in the Eastern
@StaxKarratGang
10 ай бұрын
I was raise Catholic and knew about God but never knew God it wasn’t until I was born again that I got to be a friend of Jesus and life is so much better now that I’m a born again Christian
@Ryan_Christopher
10 ай бұрын
What a long-winded way of admitting to falling into heresy. /sigh/
@StaxKarratGang
10 ай бұрын
@@Ryan_Christopher yikes imagine thinking your a son of God and going around judging others on their salvation
@StaxKarratGang
10 ай бұрын
@@Ryan_Christopher John 15:14 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. What exactly did I say that is heresy? I follow Jesus not a man sorry if my faith offended you
@XDSNIPERKILL
5 ай бұрын
I want to become eastern catholic
@simapark
Жыл бұрын
Also the 'Byzantine Boys ' have a much nicer looking hand when crossing themselves as the thumb ,index and middle fingers are together as a sign of the holy trinity. A Byzantine Boy told me he thought the 'Western Boys ' didnt look good as they crossed themselves with what looks like a 'shovel' . His words not mine !
@Vincenzo-wn1or
10 ай бұрын
Open hand ... The five fingers are the five wounds of Christ. Also when I cross with rosaries in my hand I use three fingers. Bless ✝️
@CatholicDaughter7
6 ай бұрын
Im left handed i always go right first 🤷🏻♀️
@shaw0009
4 ай бұрын
Bro you should debate Christian and Muslim …bcoz it’s easy to criticize everyone from your room …
@Tomfoolery_Man
11 ай бұрын
I’m catholic but I’ve always done right to left 😭 there is no specific reason. the first time I did the sign of the cross, my brain told my left arm to go right to left and that’s how I’ve done it ever since
@jamesmcardle1494
10 ай бұрын
It's to remind us of Christ's suffering 😢 neither are wrong. ❤
@Quekksilber
11 ай бұрын
I make it with the Latin directions and the Eastern position of the fingers.
@nickoru1
Жыл бұрын
I get the OCD behind it. I get hung up on insignificant things all the time too.
@Fear_m30
6 ай бұрын
Hello ive been trying to get a explanation of something in your bible,it is in matthew 21 verse 11 and luke chapter 24 verse 19
@MuhammadSawash-zf2vn
6 ай бұрын
Where is this in the Bible? Someone please show me
@CJGOM
11 ай бұрын
As a Catholic I can respect the orthodox sign of cross despite doing the Latin Rite
@Maximusinthehouse
Жыл бұрын
Bodily assumption of mary Zero Scripture, Purgatory Zero Scripture
@kyzendelaguia1063
6 ай бұрын
Does this guy not know how mirroring works?
@LetTheTruthBeTold8324
5 ай бұрын
That's your issue, but you're OK with praying to people who have passed on when we have no example of this in scripture
@GladioUmbra
21 күн бұрын
Eastern Catholics? Is he talking about us Orthodox Christians?☦️
@EmanuelEmanuel123
3 ай бұрын
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, tortured under Pontius Pilate, crucified, died and was buried; descended upon hell; rose from the dead on the third day; ascended to heaven, sits at the((( Right hand of God the Father Almighty; )))from there he will come to judge the living and the dead
@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't aware of that. I'm fr San Diego California. Maybe that's why. Lol... 🤷🏻♂️📿🍷🍞⛪️✝️🙏🏻🙌🏻 it's all good though.. 😉
@AIMedia805
10 ай бұрын
I’m confused about church denominations
@loreman7267
6 ай бұрын
Tell me you have OCD, without saying you have OCD! 😂
@jesuslira659
8 ай бұрын
Amen
@nizzy9603
6 ай бұрын
Wait I’m confused I’m a Christian and idk rather as a Christian I️ should do dat but even in that sense is it the proper way to do right life or left right🧐I’m sorry I’m really confused wen it comes to this subject
@AverageCanadianTy
6 ай бұрын
I think of this all the time when I do the cross with the Priest at the end of the Mass 🥴
@gabrielmiller1226
5 ай бұрын
When you’re obsessed over things that literally have zero relevance in life
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