I feel like the bi-regeneration is leading up to a reveal that the Timeless Child went through a bi-regeneration which birthed the Master.
@TheStrikeofGod
9 ай бұрын
Or even that The Doctor split off from The Master
@AFCManUk
4 ай бұрын
Oohh,,,,,that's good!!
@wolfpredator5226
8 ай бұрын
Damnit saying goodbye to tenant twice sucks
@OanKnight
9 ай бұрын
On one hand, I think that unlike the problems I have with chibnall in that I don't think switching to a woman was inherently wrong, there was a lack of storytelling and a hamfisted messaging that bordered on social engineering. All I've ever really wanted from my shows was to be entertaining, progressive? sure, but always creative. How then should I feel about "bigeneration" - I differ from others that have had an interested in who in the past in that I actually enjoyed the giggle - NPH was...Typically and entertainingly over the top, and it culminated in this scene. I don't...Think that it was original though, in the sense that I think that REALLY all it did was rehash the metacrisis thing. I'm looking forward to seeing what Ncuti does though? It's actually RTD that makes me nervous. I do err on the side of science as opposed to buying into gender ideology and would like to see the show steer clear of being *overtly* preachy in the way that chibnall was. Incidentally, the numbers show empirically that the show hasn't resonated. They're less in some cases than Whittaker's tenure.
@evangravell5140
9 ай бұрын
I think both of them have the original Tardis let me explain: If the 14th Doctor travels back in time when he regenerates then it makes sense that when he 'claimed his prize' he wasn't using the hammer to create a duplicate Tardis but was instead using his prize to call back his own Tardis by causing the Tardis itself to bigenerate that's where the jukebox came from at some point in the future the 14th Doctor is going to get a jukebox and then when the Doctor calls back his Tardis from the future it still has his jukebox.
@fearnjack
9 ай бұрын
Thanks, that’s explain why both Tardis had jukeboxes. But, why were both creator of the tv show and the other guy were alive? Who’s “The One That Waites”? I think it is the creator of “The Timeline Child”. Also, the grimace the 15 doctor did to the Toymaker was a hit at something?
@c0mpu73rguy
9 ай бұрын
15 had no pants meaning 14 was going commando from that point of the episode XD
@jgkight1
9 ай бұрын
To me, 14 won’t regenerate again. That was it. 14 will live out his life and pass away, at which point 15 was suppose to happen. The Toymaker forced the regeneration, hence 2 Doctors.
@ravenswolf57
4 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly Dr was put in an alternate Timeline with One Heart in one of the The Bad Wolf Episode's when He split and lived his life with rose there. I believe It was when his Daughter appeared and didnt get to see her regenerate(?) This Time line is all "timey whiney" ... talk about Having to go back and review everything! WOW!
@jgkight1
4 ай бұрын
@@ravenswolf57 Different split. That one involved a hand, a regeneration that got reconned to actually being a counted regen, and a Timelord that had one heart, aged like a human but all the memories.
@davidrohde2636
9 ай бұрын
I thought it was Bi-generation not Bi-regeneration.
@AliceJoy78
9 ай бұрын
I was going to say the same
@001biohazard
9 ай бұрын
Yeah you're right, says it on the official DW KZitem channel and in the subtitles of the episode. It's fine though, it's still new.
@thepackingpacjack7767
9 ай бұрын
Honestly, I like the idea of bi-regeneration, It reminds me of how Micro-organisms split off from each other
@damaran834
9 ай бұрын
Glad I’m not the only one
@animechannel2024
9 ай бұрын
mitosis could be a fall back if shooty is bad they still have tennant
@thanellen8757
9 ай бұрын
the issue is, he is not a micro-organisms and having two of the same person I feel like it's a cheap cop out. I feel like the show runner is not confident with how the new series of dr who will go and is having tennant in the back pocket just in case.
@heathercurtis9972
9 ай бұрын
I thought it was different and I didn’t think it was possible but it was possible.
@dickiegreenleaf750
9 ай бұрын
t's gone beyond bizarre. I wish it would just end without ruining the entire franchise. Perhaps they want to spin off back to a Doctor who actually had ratings and end the actual show. But the smarter thing to do would be to bring back Tennant for good on the regular show which they cannot do because of the PC Police. He's too white and traditional which is a no-no. Doctor Who has become nothing but weird and racist. It's like the twilight zone!!! It's been a disgrace since Matt Smith and even his tenure was questionable.
@jgkight1
9 ай бұрын
I like the idea. Keep it simple. The Toymaker forced a regeneration before it was suppose to happen. So, now we have 14 and 15. That’s why 15 says he’s healed bc 14 took time to heal himself. This wasn’t suppose to happen now.
@thejedikid7624
7 ай бұрын
Well if it even became a concept on galafray then doesn't that mean that it happened to another time lord in the past but they just forgot it even really happened and just wrote it off as a myth also if I misspelled galafray please correct me in the replies
@ProfessorGunk
9 ай бұрын
who cares? I'll just tell you, who doesn't.... what a massacre
@Sam-zu5mr
9 ай бұрын
Instead of calling the new series Doctor who?...I think its more fitting to call it Doctor WTF!?😂😂😂
@warblerab2955
9 ай бұрын
What heck is rtd talking about when he said that upon this bi regeneration that every previous doctor also reappeared? I didn’t see any other Doctors in the episode. I get it.
@serina3872
9 ай бұрын
I really hate bi-regeneration, there was no set up whatsoever for it. I don't understand why they didn't just say it was because of the toymakers weird reality effecting the doctor since this allowed the Tardis to split
@AFCManUk
4 ай бұрын
The Doctor said it themselves, "Bi Generation is supposed to be a myth'. When the 14th Doctor sprinkled salt at the end of the universe and allowed all things myth, legend and supernatural into the universe, HE himself allowed Bi-generation to be possible, otherwise it would have been a perfectly normal regeneration process.
@ravenswolf57
4 ай бұрын
Most of the USA people are boycotting Disney+ Because of there stance on LGBTQ .. I wish BBC America hadn't Dropped this Show!
@jmartin1885
9 ай бұрын
Firmly in the realm of 'Because we said-so' film making! Absolutely terrible! Where-ever RTD has been... He should go back!!!!!!
@Gia_Marie
6 ай бұрын
If they are indeed "two" seperate doctors, then what happens if the 14th doctor gets himself killed ? Does he regenerate again or simply dies ? RTD really should have let the 14th go out with a bang instead of carrying on. David said he would not return and only reprise his role for the 60th anniversary.
@tzarg
8 ай бұрын
1:11 I think bi-generation makes perfect sense and was set up really well, in Wild Blue Yonder, we see him invoke the superstition at the end of the universe, this causes a devastating effect, giving the toymaker a path into the universe, which he then remarks on again, about how toymaker got into the universe because of what the doctor did, then bi-generation happens, and when the 15th explains it, they say it's "supposed to be a myth". This is implying that because, again, the superstition was invoked, it caused myths to become real, such as the salt thing, and bi-generation edit: slight grammar error
@bobslim239
6 ай бұрын
excellent video sir.. well done!
@AnnBearForFreedom
9 ай бұрын
Geronimo. I'm taking a 'wait and see' attitude towards the bigeneration, though.
@DatOleEditGuy
9 ай бұрын
It doesnt work it was forced in for current day political messaging, All this did was confirm that the new show isn't actually the Doctor but a copy with a copy tardis.
@Plushi_Stolas
9 ай бұрын
It doesn't.
@poop3882
7 ай бұрын
Please do a video of this. This is important! Here's my research: When the Toymaker confronted the Doctor, he told him, "I made a jigsaw out of your history". The Toymaker claimed that he had rewritten the Doctor's past into a "jigsaw puzzle." The Toymaker later implied that he had a hand in creating the history of the Timeless Child and the Fugitive Doctor, as he claimed to have turned the Doctor 's past into a "jigsaw puzzle". In the in-vision commentary for The Giggle, Russell T Davies says that the Toymaker's line about making a "jigsaw" out of the Doctor's history is "part of the loosening of the rules. The Doctor first - you know, was he half human when he was Paul McGann? You know, is he a Timeless Child? It just relaxes the rules to say he is whoever you want him to be. That could be the Toymaker's puzzle. That could be inferred, or it's all true, and it is all true, but it just opens up the canon a bit, you know?" When asked by SFX magazine if he would be retconning the Timeless Child storyline, Davies said "Let's stare that question right in the eye. I'm not going to unwrite my good friend Chris Chibnall's work on The Timeless Children. I'm not going to deny what he wrote. I'm going with it. Its absolutely fine." Davies also reveals in the in-vision commentary that the Toymaker's remark about turning the Doctor's life into a 'jigsaw puzzle' is a reference to both the Timeless Child and half-human claims about the Doctor's origins, creating some ambiguity as to how much of the Doctor's past is true and how much was fabricated by the Toymaker. Following the apparent revelation of the Timeless Child, the Toymaker later told the Fourteenth Doctor that he had made a "jigsaw puzzle" out of his history, leaving some ambiguity as to whether the Timeless Child was a genuine part of the Doctor's origins or were brought into existence by the Toymaker.
@ageofastray6522
9 ай бұрын
Wait wait so like the 15th doctor came from the point after the 14th doctor is healed?
@cameronbaker97
7 ай бұрын
Yes.
@oathy03
9 ай бұрын
The great news the 1st special has now passed the 9 million mark in viewing figures. Was the finale weird? but given Disney is now part of the family its giving them a huge amount of scope. 1 A UNIT spin off is a dead cert maybe to replace the SJA? 2, CT.DT do some feature specials For BBC and Disney when the main show isn't on 3, Finally Paul gets a limited series or again a set of specials RTD has said he wants to expand the Dr Who universe. Given the money situation at the BBC. I want gallifrey back, It struck me in one of the moffat episodes when Clara crashed the Tardis the room with all the orbs it has the power to create everything, or could even right off its return as The toymaker got bored. It makes no sense the master is clearly coming back and its been destroyed again, It was at this point I zoned out totally to JW and Chibnall the last Anniversary was based around brining it back and he destroyed it for a very bad story. Now with the extra £££ they could really have some stories based there. The bad wolf studios are huge they have the scope to build what's needed no problem. expanding on the theme we saw JW trapped would look amazing. It reminded me of Bajor How they changed doctors needed to happen, Always blowing everything up in sight so the TARDIS could get a new interior was getting boring. It was really sad Bernard only got to do one scene when he sat through all the readings, Tate's acting is just getting better every time she comes back as Donna I really thought in the 2nd special she was going to die. Given all the "leaks" of utter carnage. The chemistry between them I found stronger and it made sense allowing DT to remain we were heading for a situation where Worf would end up appearing in the end they zoomed away before he fully explained.
@chadalexander1924
4 ай бұрын
It doesn't.
@trainticketboy
9 ай бұрын
Geronimo 🎉🎉
@misterlau5246
9 ай бұрын
I don't like to simply get him without the burden of all this destruction and everything
@spacepenguins8939
9 ай бұрын
I think 15 will still be a bit broken just more rested, and I’m sure season 1 will be there to burden him a lotn
@misterlau5246
9 ай бұрын
@@spacepenguins8939 ok, but, the other things that happened, like the infamous flux? We are not going to see what happens with that until when? Or simply dismiss it? 😅 I was ready to do so, but RTD put that and the timeless 🤮 in the dialogs 😡
@spacepenguins8939
9 ай бұрын
@@misterlau5246 what do you mean we won’t see what happens with the flux? We had a whole series of it destroying the universe and know we now it destroyed half and messed Up the doctor a lot
@danieljames6899
9 ай бұрын
GERONIMO!!! Finally someone who tells it like it is and doesn't spout bullshit saying that 14th will regenerate in The Curator, or says that now there are two Doctors and two Tardis, 15th and his Tardis have been pulled from the future. For me 14th will not regenerate again in 15th it will simply cease to exist it will become pure energy and its essence will reunite with 15th, Which actually has already happened for 15th because the version that we see was pulled from the Future. I too saw the episode with Russell's Commentary, and as much as I like the idea that at the time of the bigeneration the other Doctors also appeared, I hope it is made clear that they are other timelines and other uninverses, because thinking about it if the bigeneration is retroactive and at the time of Regeneration the Doctor has Bigenerated, Clara who was with 11th or Rose who was with 9th why would they follow 12th and 10th ? Plus if you give the Doctor the opportunity to rehash all his mistakes, in my opinion it negatively affects the evolution of the character. Anyway in the episode it wasn't made clear that the other Doctors also Bigenerated, otherwise 14th would have remembered, I think Russell said it to test the waters a bit.
@Radignostic
9 ай бұрын
its not a split its a loop. they will have to remerge eventually, also all the rules are up in the air with the timelords gone gone, even Tecteun. this is probably some unleashed timeless child juju combined with toymaker's domain's effect
@fearnjack
9 ай бұрын
I didn't like the bi-generation. But, it did explain where the old doctor go, that part I like. I would like for the old doctor to go away.
@thedoctor1430
9 ай бұрын
well as he stated they will eventually go, and carry on to their next chronological incarnation, so the order the doctors have been in all the way, from William Hartnell all the way up till now, minus the versions that are un-numbered like the fugitive version, it is merely a way for past actors to show up in the main show or future spin offs like tales of the tardis, as for how they regenerate, i would believe it would have been more like how Matt Smith finally regenerated, after dying from old age, it would also give the un-explained time differences, for example, 7th doctor Sylvester McCoy stated his incarnation was exactly nine-hundred years old, either dragons fire or remembrance of the Daleks, and yet David first incarnation as the tenth stated in voyage of the damned, he was nine hundred and four years old, meaning if that is correct, the Eighth doctor, the War Doctor, the whole time war, the Ninth Doctor and Tenth doctor up too that episode all happened within 4 years of the doctor's life, i genuinely would like someone to try explain this one too me, as even as a long time fan stretching back into the classic before they were on iplayer, it never made sense too me and would like to hear other people's opinions on the matter, as it doesnt ever get addressed, and very over-looked,
@redjirachi1
9 ай бұрын
I think the Watcher is a similar situation to bi-generation, in that they are both the Doctor's future and present colliding into one another
@001biohazard
9 ай бұрын
Geronimo! Love the bigeneration concept. And the idea that they do rehab out of order is interesting, i hope that idea will get explored in the future somehow.
@MrRjhyt
9 ай бұрын
Geronimo! I think expanded media, 'Big Finish' have been given stricter limits to how or which characters can interact.
@MerchantOfClicks
9 ай бұрын
I’m glad you called it out for not technically being a regeneration; it’s more like Doctor mitosis lol
@LisaBeta-42
6 ай бұрын
If you loose some body-parts during the first 15 hours after a regeneration you are able to regrow that "missing limb" - look at the right hand of the "Christmas Invasion" that later turned into the Meta-crisis Doctor... - it grew back. Now the Toymaker injures the Doctor so bad, that he has to regenerate - but he is also able to regrow his body: voila - 2 Doctors!
@MartinGasparini86
9 ай бұрын
the problem i have is both of them could regenerate in two different doctors again?
@LisaBeta-42
6 ай бұрын
Probably YES - the rebooted Rory still could remember the 2k years he spent as a plastic Centurion
@MartinGasparini86
6 ай бұрын
@@LisaBeta-42 so you could have 2 series following two lines of doctors who diverge so much... I don't think that if the 14 regenerate somehow had the memory of the 15 too because are two different lines splitting
@xanderb1082
9 ай бұрын
Im pretty sure 14 took the original Tardis and 15 took the new one. Original didnt have the jukebox and the ramp but the new one does.
@legaiaflame
9 ай бұрын
If you guys have to convince yourselves this is going to be a good show moving forward, you need to take a step back and look at how they utterly destroyed and keep destroying every aspect of the show's lore and history. Because it's all going to be about "The Message" now over good quality storytelling.
@GoliathWarfare
9 ай бұрын
What's "the message?"
@friendlyotaku9525
9 ай бұрын
Not hiding your bigotry then?
@legaiaflame
9 ай бұрын
@@friendlyotaku9525 Nah, I'm just a sane minded person who can see when a good show turns into complete trash. People in Wheelchairs are evil, Male presenting Timelords disrespected, lore completely destroyed, slapped in the face with gender this gender that etc. Have fun with your low viewership and eventual cancelation. I'll be laughing the entire way! 🤣
@friendlyotaku9525
9 ай бұрын
@@legaiaflame millions of viewers isn't low viewership, what are you talking about?
@spacepenguins8939
9 ай бұрын
@@legaiaflame”gender this gender that” it was like 2 lines in 1 episode out of the 3
@legaiaflame
9 ай бұрын
It's HORRIBLE! There are no stakes, the Doctor doesn't change any longer so it's not dying any longer. He'll just heal and split. No tension, no consequences. It's garbage! And now Russel said every Doctor throughout time split as well. What a disaster! R.I.P. Doctor Who.
@GoliathWarfare
9 ай бұрын
They never said this was a permanent thing from now on, it's one and done to give the Doctor a proper "ending"
@GoliathWarfare
9 ай бұрын
The other Doctors only split in alternate timelines, it's to explain Tales from the TARDIS
@legaiaflame
9 ай бұрын
@@GoliathWarfare Yeah more like when the show gets cancelled David can come back and save it as the real Doctor. But okay...
@GoliathWarfare
9 ай бұрын
@@legaiaflame well it's the #1 drama on TV right now so that won't be any time soon
@akbar1772
9 ай бұрын
No stakes? Granted it was average episode but come in it’s a new years special not having a happy resolve all the time isn’t the best writing too. Since 11 till 13 the characters suffered so much, his characters was owed a nice happy ending. Otherwise then the deep moments with the high stakes don’t have the same effect and reward without the other.
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