I know I said I wouldn’t spend too much time on fan theories but this time I had to :)
@tensinkano6888
Жыл бұрын
How would we go through 3 generations of apes but only 1 generation of Mario………
@ドラゴンリュー-f1x
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps, what led to the worst of this mess was that diddy was originally a redesign of donkey kong jr. I think it's because of the remnants of the early story of saving Mario from Wario. He was originally the same person as the original Donkey Kong, and his goal was to save Mario, who had caused trouble in the past, from a new rival. If you think about it, it's interesting to think that dk, who was hostile to Mario in Nintendo's official game, was planning to rescue Mario before his real brother Luigi and his lover Peach.
@sboinkthelegday3892
Жыл бұрын
s'all good, as long as Stanley is Pauline's brother.
@orsonzedd
Жыл бұрын
Hey if you do a a video about Tetris use the street fighter gag again
@orsonzedd
Жыл бұрын
@@tensinkano6888 there's only two Donkey Kongs.
@ianeons9278
Жыл бұрын
“Let the agreement between Universal and Nintendo be a lesson on forgiveness to everyone” Truer words have never been spoken
@ravenzyblack
Жыл бұрын
They are both reaping the benefits for having done so. Disney watch out.
@vicgc96
Жыл бұрын
10:34 Not to mention Olive's voice actress lived long enough to witness both Popeye inspired game and the licensed Popeye game
@13Carrey1
Жыл бұрын
DK Junior was also in the First Mario Kart Game :)
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I threw in a picture but left it out in the grand scheme of things. He actually looks a little older in that game too 🙂
@robbiewalker2831
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMentok I think people wanted to view Jumpman and Lady as Mario's Parents, because Cranky is labeled as the OG DK (and also because Mario was meant to be an expy of Popeye, which I don't blame, because Popeye actually had a father figure created to retcon Popeye's negative traits being inherited by his father). Heck, I couldn't even buy into Pauline being the OG Lady, since Nintendo has also been conflicted with whether or not Lady and Pauline are the same woman, despite Kotabe's artwork telling us otherwise. On top of that, with Cranky's bias towards modern games, and extremely meta references to how the Arcade Donkey Kong game works mechanically, I highly doubt Cranky would be the same DK that appeared in the Game Boy game, with a load of sprites 8 times more than Arcade DK, Mario can survive a higher fall than his Arcade counterpart, and sprites for Pauline and DK had little resemblence to their original designs. There was some proto-footage showing that DK and Lady were gonna be the same ones we saw in the Arcade game, but for some reason, Nintendo wanted to change it to promote Donkey Kong Country... which didn't work. It also doesn't help that the DK in the Game Boy game wears a necktie, which was Miyamoto's idea to make DK stand out from all the generic gorillas at the time. Rareware however only took the necktie and applied it to their drastically different looking DK; and it's been stuck that way for almost 30 years until the new Mario movie said "Hey, let's bring back expressive cartoony DK". If it wasn't for the Kongtroversy, I would've liked to see Mario, Pauline, DK and DK Jr in the same game like before in the old GB game. Also, about the DK/DK jr thing, are we gonna ignore that Mario Tennis N64 also had Classic Donkey Kong Jr in the same roster as Modern DK?
@zjzr08
Жыл бұрын
@@robbiewalker2831 The fact that babies can exist with their adult selves shows time travel is possible on the sports games so Donkey Kong Jr. and modern DK could still be the same (although DKJr being DK's uncle is interesting too).
@orsonzedd
Жыл бұрын
and all the subsequent ones too
@__Soya__
Жыл бұрын
@@zjzr08 Guys it’s really simply DK jr is literally just canonically a midget. When he first appears he isn’t a kid he’s just fully grown. It’s sounds goofy but it’s canon.
@miyokone
Жыл бұрын
I was trying my darnedest to follow the DK family tree at the end. I am now angry with Nintendo because that is quite the oversight 😂how do they have conflicting information like that 😂
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
They don’t care 😂
@__Soya__
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMentok Guys it’s really simply DK jr is literally just canonically a midget. When he first appears he isn’t a kid he’s just fully grown. It’s sounds goofy but it’s canon.
@NimhLabs
Жыл бұрын
Simple explanation for differences in aging: time dilation. Mario spends so much time warping between worlds/lands/realms that he ends up barely aging, while Donkey Kong lives at a normal time rate
@redram6080
Жыл бұрын
Why is Pauline relatively young though
@KetsubanSolo
Жыл бұрын
@@redram6080 lots and lots of makeup
@ravenzyblack
Жыл бұрын
@@redram6080- Plastic Surgery?🤣
@RotoMiner
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but Donkey Kong and Cranky also spend lots of time in the Mushroom Kingdom too. DK is in so many sports games and Mario Party’s and Smash Bros games that it isn’t fair to say he just chills in the jungle all day. Also Cranky most certainly isn’t spending most of his time climbing construction sites in New York anymore.
@176questions
Жыл бұрын
Gorillas age faster than humans
@yoshimasterleader
Жыл бұрын
DK Jr. and Stanly need a comeback.
@poweroffriendship2.0
Жыл бұрын
DK Jr. is actually the modern DK's dad and Cranky Kong's son. For Stanley, I can agree since he has been obscured for years and DK 3 is the only time he appeared there (besides of the Smash making a reference through spirits and trophies).
@VOAN
Жыл бұрын
@@poweroffriendship2.0 So if modern day Donkey Kong is the son of DK Jr. then does that mean DK Jr. is now DK Snr. and modern day DK is now DK Jr? Considering the first DK change his name to Cranky Kong, DK Jr. is now legitimately DK Snr.
@poweroffriendship2.0
Жыл бұрын
@@VOAN Crankey Kong = DK Sr. DK Jr. = DK Jr. (the father of the modern DK) The modern DK = DK the 3rd So the current DK we have now is the third generation of the DK lineage.
@VOAN
Жыл бұрын
@@poweroffriendship2.0 But DK Snr change his name to Cranky Kong so that means he's longer DK Snr. unless DK Jr. also change his name then the current DK is DK Jr. There is no DK the Third, what if there's a DK before Cranky Kong. Since the current DK had no Jr. on its name either, that means DK Jr. may had also change his name so maybe Swanky Kong is the original DK Jr. So to my understanding it's like this now: DK Senior = Cranky Kong DK Junior = Swanky Kong DK the Third = Donkey Kong
@hagfish4998
8 ай бұрын
They should make Stanly an antagonist in a future Donkey Kong Country game, where he tries to transform DK Island into a giant greenhouse.
@xCOBRAxVENOMx
Жыл бұрын
This video was such a blast to watch. I truly enjoying learning about Nintendo and what they went through to get to where they are today. And as always mentok, did his shit to cover it well.🔥🔥💯
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was entertaining. This was a really fun one to research 🙏🏽
@robbiewalker2831
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMentok Where'd you get the image for the Thumbnail?
@jeffreyforsberg5144
Жыл бұрын
For the uncle theory: DK Jr. Math features one "Pinky Kong" for player 2, a pallette swap of Jr.
@devinsauls9137
Жыл бұрын
Pauline Origins next please 😊
@thepeternetwork
Жыл бұрын
Has it ever occurred to anyone that Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, Funky Kong, and all the other Kongs share the same last name? Is Cranky Kong the father of them all? Are they all related, and if so how?
@MagillanicaLouM
Жыл бұрын
Just the species name. There's Lanky who is explicitly stated to just be from another island entirely and only moved over cause his original home was boring and the Manky Kong enemies that iirc are stated to be ostracized from the rest of the Kong crew
@VOAN
Жыл бұрын
The name Kong is just another word for primeape which is why King Kong and Sun WuKong used that in their name.
@zjzr08
Жыл бұрын
Could be like Vietnam where everyone's surname seems Nguyen.
@tossingturnips
Жыл бұрын
I've been watching a few of these videos already (I think the one about Daisy is what pulled me in), and I just now subscribed. You are truly dedicated to your craft and your videos are so well-researched and humorous.
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I'm here finishing up my next video and this gave me a nice motivational boost
@tossingturnips
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMentok Heck yeah! Glad I could help!
@phsmanta
Жыл бұрын
your editing is insane you deserve a lot more recognition
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, the edits take a lot of work 😭
@ianeons9278
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Stanley makes an appearance in the Mario Movie.
@galagize9233
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't
@galagize9233
Жыл бұрын
But "jumpman" does
@ianeons9278
Жыл бұрын
I love videos like this on Nintendo’s earlier history.
@Jet2k5
Жыл бұрын
another great video , waiting for part 2 . keep up the good work 👍 .
@seanmyster6
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm just gonna go with the idea that Cranky Kong is the father of Donkey Kong, who is the grown-up version of Donkey Kong Jr., as well as entirely dismissing Yoshi's Island DS as non-canon, since that's the only option that doesn't hurt my brain.
@sebastiantheshadowkong8798
Жыл бұрын
Things to note: 1. Jumpman and Mario are indeed the same person, it’s been confirmed by Nintendo and even Shigeru Miyamoto himself. 2. Mario was actually 25 during the events of the original Donkey Kong and according to Paper Mario: Color Splash, Mario is currently 30. (And before you bring up the whole “Paper Mario takes place in a different universe”, it’s been made clear by Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam that Mario and Paper Mario’s universes are *parallel*, meaning that the things that happened to Paper Mario also happened to regular Mario.) 3. Kongs don’t necessarily age like regular monkeys/gorillas, they can age from a kid to an adult in the span of a year. We see this with DK Jr and Tiny Kong where they went from the size of kids to grown adults in the span of a couple of games. 4. Yoshi’s Island DS is a time travel story where future Bowser and future Kamek kidnap kids all over the world in search of the seven star children. Baby DK was taken from the time he was born to the same timeline when Mario was a baby.
@ZyNye2011
Жыл бұрын
Mario being 30 years old in Paper Mario: Color Splash was a fourth wall break.
@elrobrt1
2 ай бұрын
The Donkey Kong 94 game is the last time we saw DK Jr cannonically, meaning that the child died in the last level, where he is imprisoned by Mario. At the end, when you beat DK they all just walk away and forget about Jr.
@LEMMYBOOOOI
Жыл бұрын
Wait wasn’t Cranky DK’s grandfather and DK JR being his dad? The movie got that wrong I guess
@barneyjuniorYT
Жыл бұрын
JOHN KIRBY IS ALSO PINK OMG I LOVE THIS
@MultiDudeman
Жыл бұрын
Uncle! Omg beautiful! This really does save everything, great job! It was there in front of us the whole time.
@Atrael
Жыл бұрын
Can you review Donkey Kong's behind size in every game/show
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Considering this now
@superdalen7140
Жыл бұрын
I have a theory of how dk sr gotten to dk island after the events of donkey Kong 3 animal control captured dk sr and Jr to a remote wildlife reserve known as dk island
@tedgonzalez985
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, that's probably my favorite theory on the whole Mario, Cranky, DK and DK Jr. debacle. Hey, Little Mac was 17 when he became a professional boxer, why can't Mario be a simple carpenter at 17?
@mevb
Жыл бұрын
Mario is refered in Super Paper Mario as an "middle-aged" man, that is 35, 40 or 40+ but he then Super Paper Mario was set in 2007 while Donkey Kong was set in 1981.
@PACNATIC
Жыл бұрын
A PAC-MAN origin oracle would be great, though I AM biased. Also, props for mentioning the origin of the DK startup theme!
@yamahadrag69
Жыл бұрын
So I watched your DK videos backwards but, I feel like the whole "Cranky is senile" debate kinda loses traction with the later addition of his wife, Wrinkly, who was coherent enough to be a teacher at her introduction. So she should definitely be able to recall if DK is her son or grandson. Btw the red necktie being an heirloom is really cute.
@houyo
Жыл бұрын
It was me, I won the Donkey Kong Cereal contest. They never gave it to me though because of the assault charges.
@luisadolfothewolf7042
Жыл бұрын
Is Donkey Kong's age and family now more confusing to follow than Kingdom Hearts story?
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
I would agree with this
@BuckarooBanzai84
Жыл бұрын
I think a better question is; why can DK TALK in the movie, when never does in the GAMES?! =\
@VOAN
Жыл бұрын
He talks in the Donkey Kong Country tv series too.
@BuckarooBanzai84
Жыл бұрын
@@VOAN Very well, but is THAT cannon? =\
@ZipplyZane
Жыл бұрын
I still like the theory that DK is Cranky's grandson biologically, but that he adopted him as his actual son. That way both statements are correct. I even have a cousin who was adopted by her grandma. So she is both her mom and grandmother.
@enbae2808
Жыл бұрын
is this the wrong series for the prophet HAS SPOKEN?? shit iconic bro
@stefanchristian8268
Жыл бұрын
i normally wouldnt have believed your final theory, but you decided to play the danganronpa track in the background and that automatically makes you correct
@migueldias8546
Жыл бұрын
25:06 The explanation is also cultural. Stories have not be important to Nintendo Japan for a long time. When they develop a game, they use a character as a semi-tutorial. And when they started their business, it made totally sense. The space was so limited that any idea that could help save any memory space was used. Using Mario put the player in a certain set of mind and already tell him/her what it is expected from him/her. Same with Link... It is very American to have a story and it is because of the American influence that Nintendo Japan started to make sense of everything. The problem is that decision were made before any of it was relevant... Everything is made up but everything was made to help the gamers and not tell a story. Moving forward, we see that even Nintendo is very careful with its story telling but nothing will fix the past... What is done, is done... But there is nothing more human than telling stories. I am an old man and I always wonder when humanity started. Tools, language, bipedalism have been proposed to mark the birth of humanity but none of them are specific to humans. Animals use tools, some have a language and some walk on 2 feet too... This is why for me, humanity started the first day an human told a story to another human... And we know how far we took it... In 2023, there are still people that believe that there is magic being living in the sky...
@justingarrett1675
Жыл бұрын
What if the mystery role that Charles Martinet has in the Mario movie is Jumpman? And he is the Mario Brothers' father?
@hugocastilla3102
Жыл бұрын
Well well
@RoboyZHunter
Жыл бұрын
I think I want to consider this video canon with this whole cranky and donkey kong thing.
@mevb
Жыл бұрын
Mario was originally known as Jumpman before getting his name.
@VictorHernandez-nj2lo
Жыл бұрын
I also remember Dk jr. being a playable character is Mario tennis for n64
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Yeah and Mario Kart there’s a slightly older version of him. I didn’t mention it since they were spin-offs but it’s interesting nonetheless
@VictorHernandez-nj2lo
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMentok please do Megaman videos ❤️
@anabeatrizgoncalvesporto8379
Жыл бұрын
This is the best theory I have ever heard about mario franchise
@bigaj1992
Жыл бұрын
If your local arcade doesn’t have DK or Pac-Man, it’s not a real arcade.
@ggbrady
Жыл бұрын
Your theory only makes sense. He's Donkey Kong! If he was the son of DK Jr, then he'd be DK III. But he isn't! Therefore DK Jr, would HAVE to be his uncle! Indeed, you saved the Nintendo world!
@KestrelDC
11 ай бұрын
No idea how or where they got it and my own memories are very faint since I was very little, but at one point when my brother and I were little kids, there was a dentist office that had a Donkey Kong arcade cabinet in the lobby and my brother actually liked going because he could play Donkey Kong.
@TheMentok
11 ай бұрын
Interestingly enough, I first played Donkey Kong 94 on a Super Gameboy cartridge at my dentist office whenever I was getting my retainers molded. Interesting to see someone else go through a similar experience
@LovesickJo
Жыл бұрын
Masterful ending
@Probably_JENOVA
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think that Kirby was actually named after John Kirby. That’s a popular theory but Sakurai (Kirby’s creator) once said that he doesn’t remember why he named Kirby well, Kirby.
@HIPHOPHER
Жыл бұрын
The Heisenberg of KZitem Ladies and Gentlemen! 👏🏼 👏🏼 … and no I don’t mean the theoretical physicist. 😉
@mr.jacksonanimation8786
Жыл бұрын
If donkey kong is jr all grown up at least we know why dk Jr doesn't appear anymore
@laurenttremblay8601
Жыл бұрын
I won that cabinet
@E2ForLife
Жыл бұрын
I like to think that dk junior is the current dks younger brother by 15 years and the current dk has a father and mother that we don't see that are the son of cranky and wrinkly kong
@saltinefromindiana
Жыл бұрын
So you're telling me, if I say that DK3 by Hudson Soft happened because Donkey Kong went on a coke fueled rampage and Stanley is apart of the feds, that my story is canon?
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Correct
@nicholassims9837
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the Yoshi game , isnt it weird that DK is fighting Monkeys ?
@booyah344
Жыл бұрын
But who was Funky?
@sammcfarlane2494
Жыл бұрын
I love DK DONKEY KONG DK DONKEY KONG!
@blueberry5822
Жыл бұрын
Well, the jumpman is just another dude
@miffty-vw1ir
5 ай бұрын
i won the cabinet
@ianeons9278
Жыл бұрын
You are to Mario what Alex Bale is to SpongeBob
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
I had to look him up to get the context and I’m humbled by this analogy
@dennisflynn253
Жыл бұрын
Donkey Kong jr is donkey Kong
@TBoneTony
Жыл бұрын
Ape Research Society of England (A.R.S.E) You can tell RARE was just making up Apeshit as they went along with the Donkey Kong Lore
@lloydholloway3796
Жыл бұрын
Just know Mario has never been a Carpenter…
@VOAN
Жыл бұрын
Wrecking Crew exist which features Mario as a carpenter.
@bilakaysandore
Жыл бұрын
IIIII WOOOON IM 56 NOW
@blueeaglegaming2651
Жыл бұрын
i WAHHH
@Magicghost23
Жыл бұрын
🦍🛢️🍌
@ggbrady
Жыл бұрын
I WON!
@johnbonnie977
Жыл бұрын
Hello. Arbitrary algorithm post
@robertrivera5569
Жыл бұрын
I've grown tired of the whole "Cranky was the original Donkey Kong" lore I'll just say; Rare's basically OC passing it on as if its the original character, just because of a Meta Joke, just adds confusion to all this, and personally doesn't even add anything other "Oooh really?" From onlookers. In fact, I'd argue it lowkey takes away Mario and DK's dynamic and just adds generational nonsense to the mix rather than keeping authentic. Donkey Kong, the one from the original and his redesign from Country to now IS and will always be Donkey Kong past and future. Cranky Kong is only new Character for DK as a father figure and nothing more. The only outlier in this whole thing is Dk Jr, becuase we've still haven't gotten anything as to what he is suppose currently in the Dk and Mario world now. I feel like nintendo are still trying to peice that together.
@Quinhala11
Жыл бұрын
Cranky being Arcade DK is the entire basis for his character, initially he was gonna be a generic "wise old man" character, it was when Rare decided to make him the original DK that he became "Cranky". Outside of that it's great because continuity is great and it's just a fun idea in general. "Generational nonsense" is the entire theme of the DKC trilogy, it's Cranky being past his prime, DK being in his prime and Diddy achieving his prime. I don't see how it takes away from Mario and DK's dynamic, specially if DK is indeed a grown DK Jr. Arcade DK being the same as DKC DK doesn't work since Arcade DK is way more antagonistic than DKC DK, also, as you said there's DK Jr and you either have to retcon him out of reality which is lame or make DK a deadbeat which is also lame.
@robertrivera5569
Жыл бұрын
@Quinhala It's simple....DK is DK, Cranky is Cranky nuff said. I agree that DKC had generational and familial themes around it, but not when it comes to Mario and DK, which should speak for itself. like Mario is facing against a character that wasnt even the original guy he had beef with, and the insinuation is that hes butting heads with his son/grandson instead? Now THATS just lame and like i said, just adds generational nonsense to their dynamic when it should be FAAAR more simpler regarding that its Freaking Mario and Donkey Kong. I know fans want continuity, but this is what I mean when I feel Rare just made things worse by saying this "Cranky is the OG" nonsense. I won't deny fans have grown fond of this lore, and people can still like it, and theorize and talk about it for what it is. Hell, I've drawn and written comics regarding this dynamic as a kid, that's why I still have these thoughts and passion for this specific subject even after so long. But over the years, I've just grown tired of it and fans scrambling to add continuity and depth to this part of the history, and I personally don't agree with it. It's just adding too much to characters that should be relatively simple and whimsical imo. Like it just feels wrong that Miyamoto's creation being turned into a decreptic old fart that spouts useful hints, rather than being what he should be. Strong, a bit slow, goofy, and chaotic, but still a well meaning Character in his own right. That should be preserved if your adapting the character; keeps inlign with his vision. And Rare did that for DK. The small detail that "Um Cranky was the original DK actually" I've learned now...was just hysterically unnecessary. And further more (Again) was just more of a gag that Cranky was an old timer from the retro age when "Games were REAL Games", and DK was in the new 90's era with more attitude and flare hence the opening of the original DKC. And making Cranky the literal Donkey Kong from that old era was just an emphasis of the type of character Cranky Kong is. But he doesn't NEEED to actually be Donkey Kong to convey this notion. It was just a byproduct of the time. All in all, keep Donkey Kong as Donkey Kong. And Keep Cranky Kong as Cranky Kong; becuase that is what Cranky fundamentally has always been essentially at its core; his own Character who bolsters DK. And Donkey Kong himself during his transition during SNES/ Rare era was very much being adapted with new ideas, but still intentionally had the same attributes and characteristics from his previous appearances that made him Donkey Kong in every sense of the Name. It just makes things much more smoother and roundabout for the Mario and Donkey Kong series as a whole, that respects it's legacy and it's characters in a much more thorough manner...... In My Opinion. Also DK and Mario were antagonistic, but have hashed things out, throughout the years. Like look to Donkey Kong 94 for that bridge in their relationship as enemies/rivals/companion And I don't want Jr retconned out of the series, nor will I think that's going to happen, like I said Nintendo seems to be thinking what to do with him like how Rare helped and worked to make DK a more adventurous in his revitalization as a character that expanded him and gave him a world and cast. We have to wait and see if Jr will come back in that same vein. Dk isn't deadbeat dad, we just need to see what Jr is like in the modern era of the series to know what their relationship and dynamic will be. And I'm banking that it will be much more positive rather than "Deadbeat dad" lol.
@foursidekm
Жыл бұрын
But the whole joke with cranky is that he's an old bitter man who thinks things were better back in the arcade days. He's basically the manifestation of the original donkey kong arcade game, bitter at the new and cooler donkey kong country series
@robertrivera5569
Жыл бұрын
@@foursidekm "He's basically a manifestation of the original Donkey Kong Arcade game" What does that even mean? I think you mean he represents old fashioned, and "Retro is best" type of old folks. Not the actual Game itself because that doesn't say or mean anything.
@foursidekm
Жыл бұрын
@@robertrivera5569 cranky kong represents the old outdated donkey kong arcade games. while modern donkey kong represents the newer, hip donkey kong country games. The intro to the first donkey kong country shows this well
@Toad20347
Жыл бұрын
I WON JK LOL
@jerryvega3042
Жыл бұрын
I freakin knew it…. Wasnt too sure but i thought i heard a Seth Rogan giggle in one of the teasers…. I told my girl “is DK seth rogan?” Not being sure, ‘til clicking this video and seeing this still 0:25 ….are movie theaters still a thing???📽🎥📹🤳
@jerryvega3042
Жыл бұрын
🔥🔥 🔥 🔥
@Dr_Damon_1111
Жыл бұрын
If I can't trust you to get ladys name right it's not Pauline that's for sure then how can I trust you to properly debunk a theory that makes a lot of sense?
@nitrickacid
Жыл бұрын
This could be a case of incest. If cranky had a baby with his daughter he would be both the father and the grandfather.
@SmokeTheHorsehog
Жыл бұрын
Here's one thing that makes Mario being seventeen during the original Donkey to be confusing: if Cranky Kong/Donkey Kong the First was supposed to be Mario's pet gorilla, how the heck did Mario get his hands on a gorilla, let alone a leash for him? Yes, it makes sense that Cranky stole Pauline and went on a rampage out of vengeance for Mario treating him as a pet, but how the hell is a seventeen-year-old supposed to get his hands on a pet while presumably not being an adult, AND how the heck did he even get a grown gorilla as a pet?
@MMMagearna
Жыл бұрын
im more stumped that a 17 year old has a mustache of a 45 year old
@SmokeTheHorsehog
Жыл бұрын
@@MMMagearna I mean, when I was 17, I was already growing a bit of a moustache. Not an absolutely refined one because I consistently shaved it, and still do, but it was a discernable moustache at that age.
@occultpyromancer
Жыл бұрын
maybe his gig at the circus from the old cartoon was canon, and he got to keep dk after he quit
@SmokeTheHorsehog
Жыл бұрын
@@occultpyromancer That could be it
@poweroffriendship2.0
Жыл бұрын
Mario used to be a circus ringleader in that one Game and Watch game and I can see why DK doesn't have good terms with the former carpenter, now plumber, especially in DK Jr.
@KasumiKenshirou
Жыл бұрын
At one point before he was called "Mario", the character was referred to as "おっさん", which means "middle aged man". (Notice that when he takes off his hat in that old Game & Watch commercial he is bald.) Nintendo only decided he was in his 20s fairly recently. I assume these Nintendo games all operate under similar rules as old Looney Tunes cartoons. Porky Pig debuted as a child (or piglet) in elementary school. Subsequent cartoons would then go back and forth between depicting him as a child and as an adult. I had heard that Pauline was named after an old film serial called The Perils of Pauline. There are so many contradictory stories about all this stuff. Another thing I heard (on The Video Game History Hour podcast) was that the specific Popeye cartoon Donkey Kong was inspired by was "A Dream Walking", which has Olive Oyl sleepwalking on a construction site and Popeye and Bluto trying to stop her from accidentally killing herself. It is very plausible that this particular cartoon was the inspiration for the game.
@daliborjovanovic510
Жыл бұрын
If there was a new DK animated series, they should totally have a running gag where Cranky refers to Donkey by different familial titles (son, grandson, nephew, cousin twice removed, etc.), and when someone finally calls him out on the inconsistencies, Cranky pauses in a moment of lucidity and admits that he has no clue who Donkey is and how the two of them are connected.
@MrAwsomeness360
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the Universal lawsuit, this is just another example of just how confusing Kong's copyright history is. Essentially, he's public domain yet at the same time he isn't, all because of a written novel (based on an early script draft) being released a year before the movie came out.
@garrylean9493
Жыл бұрын
From what I know, the novelization of King Kong came out in 1932 and didn't have its copyright renewed in the 1970s, around the time for the 70s Kong remake. Long story short; Universal and Paramount both wanted to make King movies but Paramount sued and that's where Universal argued that Kong was in the public domain (due to the novel, NOT THE MOVIE) and won. Of course as Mentok mentions, Universal lost their case against Nintendo when Kirby brought up that same fact against them; aka Kong is in the public domain (NOVEL KONG, NOT MOVIE KONG) And Kong's legal status is in limbo because although the NOVEL is in the public domain, many elements are present in the movie. If I remember right, the name "KING KONG" is trademarked currently but "KONG" isn't. But yeah until the 1933 movie ALSO becomes public domain, Kong's legal status will probably always be muddy :p
@sammylane21
Жыл бұрын
Nintendo had a real: Mario, Kirby and now their President Of Nintendo America is Bowser. Sheesh, these do love people whom have the same name as their characters, huh??☺️
@michaelturner2806
Жыл бұрын
Suddenly realizing I might've missed a pun nearly 30 years ago when DKC was released. In the opening, what's Cranky Kong doing? Playing a record, right? He's *cranking* a gramophone. I'm sure he's (re)named for being crotchety, but what if new DK was just one day like "Hey old man, you can't be Donkey Kong anymore, I'm going to take that name! Instead, you cranking that thing, you can be, I dunno, Cranking Kong! Lol!" And getting his name stolen just made him really cranky.
@MagillanicaLouM
Жыл бұрын
Idk the numbers but yeah i always figured Cranky back in his barrel throwing kidnapping days was simply just already middle aged or at least older than Mario and that Kongs just age relatively quick compared to whatever the fuck you'd call a Mario world human. I mean Jr. went from a little kid to fairly older/possibly adult by mario kart, and a more recent example in Tiny Kong, although already taller than the other young kongs in 64, hitting an obvious growth spurt (though doubtful that'll ever be addressed in universe and the irl reason being Nintendo wanting her to sorta be an in between of Dixie and Candy in terms of style and appeal). As for Yoshis Island DS role in all this, idk I just always figured that was a weird non canon "have Yoshi save other characters as babies for lulz" idea lol.
@robbiewalker2831
Жыл бұрын
What about Donkey Kong for the Game Boy? the Donkey Kong in that game wore a necktie, yet is depicted is paired with a young Donkey Kong Jr.
@MagillanicaLouM
Жыл бұрын
@@robbiewalker2831 Its pretty clear its just a younger Cranky but with a tie. Though how the tie got passed down, well that can be like a rite of passage headcanon type thing lol.
@logansmith2703
10 ай бұрын
Time travel is already involved in the plot of Yoshis Island DS.
@Mitsuraga
Жыл бұрын
I was really digging that traditional Japanese take on the final battle track from Bowser's Inside Story.
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Hyuman is the GOAT, check out their channel. The remixes are amazing
@danielc6440
Жыл бұрын
I am a huge DK fan. And today I loved finding this video. Very well done and the theory at the end is 100% my favorite lol. I’m so glad I found this lol
@johnlucas1543
Жыл бұрын
One thing that made me subscribe to you is both your STRONG grip on the FACTS & your Humor while you speak them. This is a good channel & a good way to teach the young'uns about that Nintendo history & gaming history in general. I was there when Donkey Kong came out. 5 years old. And that was the game that made me a Nintendo fan for life. Pac-Man was first & made me a gamer for life. Donkey Kong came shortly after & made me rep Nintendo to this day. I also like how you use all of that original commercial footage before Mario became the mascot of Nintendo. The Saturday Supercade stuff & the Donkey Kong cereal commercial. These kids don't KNOW 'bout dat! Teach 'em.
@ZeldaQueen64
Жыл бұрын
Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf all share timeline sympathies, DK.
@johnforkner
Жыл бұрын
I thought she was named for the silent film melodrama series “The Perils of Pauline” in which a pretty damsel named Pauline is kidnapped, tied to train tracks, etc and has to be rescued by the hero.
@ianeons9278
Жыл бұрын
Gaming Historian is a literal legend tbh
@ShinGoji1987Official
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video man! Lol I really wish the creators cared more about the characters they created, the lore can get so convoluted sometimes. Great work on pretty much figuring out the DK family tree at the end!
@StopStealingMyNameTrolls
Жыл бұрын
Also that 1994 color Gameboy game was the first one where Pauline had her now iconic brunette design with the golden "earrings" instead of a being a blonde. Still waiting for a Pauline back story video tho. :D Yes, I know, you are a 1-man-team also having a real life. :D :D :D
@prestige8477
Жыл бұрын
I like to imagine that Donkey Kong's genealogy is like Cortex's line from Crash Twinsanity where he says "My daughte- uh... NIECE!". And it's just not explained.
@MiyuandFay
Жыл бұрын
Nah, nah, nah you cookin' GOOD on that last segment. It's canon to me now idc
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
I’ll wait for Nintendo to say otherwise 😂
@Alej_andr016
Жыл бұрын
7:40 crazy how like 30 years later they worked together on a Mario movie and a theme park
@jive238
Жыл бұрын
People always question the whole "looking up dumb in dictionary and getting donkey" explanation but if you think of donkey as ass, old name for them, and then reach over to Jackass, you can kinda see how it could happen. We could all be playing jackass kong instead.
@PluckyInc
Жыл бұрын
I just assume that the whole DK/DK Jr thing could just be adjusted to the Kongs being named after some trait. whereas any Kong could possibly become *the* Donkey Kong if they're the current hero of DK Island. (either passed down from Father to Son. or just a Windwaker Link-type deal) though the idea of a Jr version of a character was presumably poorly-thought out, kinda like how other arcade games made Jr versions of existing characters, or Namco adopting Ms. Pac-Man. So Jr is too young for his trait to actually shine through, but couldn't be named because his father is the Donkey Kong. doesn't quite explain Kiddy Kong, though his JP name is Dinky which honestly sounds far better. (what with the DK barrels). characters like Wrinkly Kong? could just be a semi-affectionate name given by younger Kongs like calling close friends of parents Uncle. or Cranky is just disgruntled from decades of marriage. Tiny Kong is basically named that because she's Tiny, but since she could already speak/have thought, it's not like she'd change it, not even after a post-Retcon appearance change in Diddy Kong Racing DS. HOW did Funky Kong become so Funky? 👀
@dicapriodelorean2888
Жыл бұрын
broke: the zelda time line is confusing woke: the donkey kong timeline is confusing
@DeathLeprecon
Жыл бұрын
Can't remember if DK is his son or grandson. Never thought Donkey Kong and Squidbillies had anything in common. 😂
@WigglerM2
Жыл бұрын
Would you do more rare characters like kiddy kong and lanky kong? (Get it, I said RARE,) i need help
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Thinking on how to pull this off as we speak. I might just throw all the other less-featured Kongs into one video 😂
@WigglerM2
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMentok cool
@Nube-Gamer
Жыл бұрын
Your “DK Jr is Dk’s Uncle” theory is now my personal head cannon until proven otherwise
@projectnewtype6879
Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel yesterday but man great videos all around crazy how Im still to this day finding out new information about games I’ve played for years
@TheMentok
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! It's been a learning experience for me as well
@Anna-ie3yp
Жыл бұрын
You conivined me from now on jr is moderns ukel and thats Canon for me 😅
@maipeikko3151
Жыл бұрын
Cranky Kong being senile at the age of 48 legit got me crying
@aldovega2000
11 ай бұрын
Actually, In Saturday Supercade, Mario Did Manage To Capture Donkey Kong Couple Times In The Show
@mekman4
Жыл бұрын
Great Stuff, as always!
@ドラゴンリュー-f1x
Жыл бұрын
"Donkey Kong is a separate franchise from Mario and I don't like it being incorporated into Mario, Mario is lame and Donkey is the best" I've seen silly fans saying that, but they don't seem to know that the donkey kong country series they're mounting was originally a story about Donkey playing an active role in saving Mario from Wario. In the first place, in country 2, Mario was at the awards ceremony, and odyssey is full of donkey elements. Or rather, it's like saying "It's annoying that Yoshi is drawn as Mario's vehicle in a different franchise." As you can see, Mario and Donkey are the series that always grew up as brothers They started with a single game, became independent in super mario bros and donkey kong country, but deepened their relationship. The fact that he played an active role as Mario's companion in the movie and draws Mario riding on Donkey's shoulder in Lego Mario made me look forward to joining each other as playables in 2d mario and 2d donkey in the future. It's a pity that there are fans who despise it
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