I'm just finishing my college program to enter the electrician program, and have found you're videos so informative and interesting. As long as you keep putting the vids out, I'll be watching.
@keithp115
3 жыл бұрын
I have two of these in my house and always wondered about the charging rate. Awesome post Scott!
@PilotPlater
3 жыл бұрын
One limitation of the multimeter to know about: The usb A plugs on this meter appear to just be USB 2.0 compatible, so that means for newer charging standards it will give misleading results. QuickCharge 3.0 specifically can work through these connectors, but performs better with usb 3.0 connectors. The usb standards have changed so much over the years, and is very confusing. Usb 2.0 and 3.0 referrs to the hardware itself of how many wires are run through the cable basically, so the USB-C connector is always 3.0. Then the electronics have their own set of standards. Here's the short run-down of just the most relevant methods today: 2.4A "slow" charging (5v): The unfortunate thing is manufacturers will ALWAYS say their device has "fast charging" even though it doesn't support any of the fast charge standards. This type of charging can be done on any connector, although *typically* won't be seen on USB-C anymore. Pros: Cheaper per-port Many ports in one device are available Cons: "slow" by modern standards on new devices may cause damaged or low quality cables to heat up during charge won't charge laptops, may struggle with larger tablets Power banks require 'overnight' charging Scummy advertising on many products implying they're better than they are What to look for: They'll usually advertise 2.4A on the box. Qualcom Quick-Charge 3.0 (5-12v): Skip right over QC 1.0 and 2.0 for new devices. Quickcharge 3.0 is used by many devices, including newer iphones (even though apple pretends they invented it). Quick-Charge 3.0 is what I believe is being shown over USB-C in this video, but is also available on many USB-A chargers. It performs better on usb-3 type A or C connectors (which have more than 4 pins inside). Quick-Charge allows the voltage to be bumped up as requested by the device anywhere up to 12V. Pros: All you would need to fast-charge most phones for some time into the future Should work on all modern tablets Power banks charge in a few hours High availability Cons: Won't charge most laptops Not the fastest for power bank charging What to look for: They'll advertise Quick-Charge 3.0 on the box USB-Power Delivery (5-20v): Power Delivery is the new hotness.... even though it came out in 2012. Manufacturers are now switching back to power-delivery because it can produce up to 100W of charge power at up to 20V! Pros THE POWERRRRR Charges laptops Fastest standard available for power banks and modern phones Backwards Compatible Cons More expensive Seems mostly limited to USB-C Typically one P.D. port per device, and most of the time other ports aren't quick-charge compatible, so if you have a lot of devices it adds up fast $$$ What to look for: They'll advertise USB-Power Delivery on the box, plus the number of watts that specific supply is capable of.
@keithrayeski3147
3 жыл бұрын
I put two of those USB ports receptacles in our livingroom...BAM!!! Talk about lighting fast charge!!! DANG!! Now, I paid, i believe 33 bucks a piece so, the are pricy BUT, very much worth it!!
@TheKumra
3 жыл бұрын
Just remember that phones charge slower and slower the closer to 100% that they get.
@REXXSEVEN
3 жыл бұрын
I also found that some of them have a limit on the charging current that they will allow. I have a cheapo phone. On which I have tried a 1 amp charger, 2 amp and 3 amp. And no matter what charger I try on it it only charges at 1 amp. And because of this it takes three whole hours to charge this phone. Swapping the cables out for different ones made no difference.
@dustintunis9347
3 жыл бұрын
A slow charge is easier on the battery, but sometimes you need a quick charge.
@TechPeasant404
3 жыл бұрын
for the usb c plug directly to the phone to support the ability to charge as fast as the 20W adapter the outlet needs to support PD 3.0 and have the ability to change the voltage. the PD standard allows 100W charging if the device supports it. the Samsung Galaxy S21 supports 45W charging with a USB C PD 3.0 outlet. new apple laptops even higher wattages.
@potteryjoe
3 жыл бұрын
That's a VERY cool multimeter. Might have to get myself one of those
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Super Handy for niche jobs.
@paladin656
3 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna have to get me one of these. Any recommendations for something to check the battery health on a usb power bank?
@jamessotherden5909
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to highlight the differences between these type charging ways.
@ivanwill
3 жыл бұрын
You certainly answered my questions from the last video. Thanks...!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
For sure!
@samuelfeguer
3 жыл бұрын
Charging rates change constantly and some go well north of 40watts. However it's the PD or power delivery component of chargers that are important. This allows the charger to "communicate" with the phone to see how much juice it can accept. This newer technology let's you charge at multiple speeds depending on the device. You did well to point out the amperage was different as well, you can't just look at wattage. Just looked up the outlet and it's 6watts total, 3 per usb port. With all that being said you have to match phones with the charging side correctly to get the fastest charging speed. Anything else and it will default to a safe slower charge speed. Great video.
@charleslyman4593
3 жыл бұрын
Scott excellent video, very thorough with your analysis well done covering all popular scenarios. This is the first time I've seen a video with this level of detail. Having the Legrand USB-C throughout our home I've always been curious of charging rates compared to brick use. The conversion to usb outlets has eliminated our charging cord and brick hoard basket, we all have one somewhere. Perhaps your next exercise could test other popular Power Delivery USB outlets by Leviton and some others. Thank you for producing this video and letting us know about the Klein USB tester.
@candicebeebe6688
3 жыл бұрын
You just showed everyone why you don't need this outlet. Thanks
@LuLu_World
3 жыл бұрын
Try a Hubbell 5A usb receptacle . It will smoke them all. The transformer is designed to stay cool and keep the charge rate constant.
@virginia7125
3 жыл бұрын
My local electrical supply stores doesn't carry that meter. I like to get one. Well anyway, to my comments: The built-in is nice, but is a pain if it goes bad. I prefer the cube, but with different amp ports. Why? MP3 players & smart watches would get fried with a 2.4A charger. 1.0A is better for those devices. The 2.1 or 2.4 is better for cell phones & tablets. The 3.1A, the latest one out, is better for laptop computers & larger tablets. High rate chargers can damage your battery for small stuff. Vape mods, not pen e-cigs, is best in a cradle style charger & take the batteries out. The USB input takes forever to charge going that route.
@jimpie231
3 жыл бұрын
I have 5 outlets with USB ports, they are various outputs. The cheapest USB outlets are about $15 (same as your small phone charger), the most expensive about $30. I have had these installed for about 3 years. They do work well. Depending on time and what I’m charging I use different chargers.....thanks. Jim
@potteryjoe
3 жыл бұрын
Was surprised to see the 20W charger was charging so much over 5V. I'm curious think know what differences occur in overall battery life when charging at the different voltages
@tedmcdonald3377
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you hit it on the head, faster charging causes more heat in the battery which should degrade overall battery life.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know others had mentioned something similar. I believe that is why most phone makers have logic to monitor battery charge % and batter temperature during fast charging.
@tedmcdonald3377
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs agreed, I believe it's also a smart charger that communicates with the phone to get optimal charging.
@jfbeam
3 жыл бұрын
Different battery chemistry's support different charging rates. The higher voltage is to the phones charging circuit, not directly to the battery. (high V means lower A, and thus less loss.)
@HammondOfTexas0
3 жыл бұрын
USB PD will use 5, 9, 15 or 20 volts to charge, if the device supports it. USB fast charging on supported devices also increases the voltage to speed up charging. This does require communication between the phone and charger though, so seeing 9v on that charger isn't unexpected.
@arthendrickson4860
3 жыл бұрын
Two questions: 1) Did your charging testing start with the phone battery at the same charge level? If not you’re assuming charge time is a linear function. 2) How much energy does the built-in USB charger consume while not being used to charge some device? I can unplug the plug-in charger to eliminate that energy waste.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Art, good questions 1) Battery percent was not exactly at the same level for each test but did stay between 30% and 45%. 2) From the general Specs on the Klein Tools ET920 this is what it states for power consumptions "It requires NO batteries and uses minimal power from the power source to function, ensuring accurate and reliable readings." Cheers!
@arthendrickson4860
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Sorry, my second question was not clear. How much energy does the receptacle consume when it’s not being used to charge a phone?
@garbo8962
3 жыл бұрын
My older USB chargers were a little warm when not charging a device but the last 3 or 4 chargers that came with devices do not making me think newer ones do not consume much energy. Hubbell has combination 120 volt receptacles with 2 USB ports that was told do jot use energy when not charging. They have long lasting stainless steel hardware for USB port. Not crazy about how deep the combination 120 volt recetacle/USB charger takes up. With my luck 6 months after I spend a hundred dollars on some combo teceptale/charger tjey will come out with s new stlye USB plug.
@KameraShy
3 жыл бұрын
I do not like "integrated" devices. Components can - and will - go bad so you end up having to replace the entire device, not just one part. Here, if the charger in the outlet goes bad - like from a power surge - you have to go to the bother of replacing a whole outlet. Also technology changes - rapidly - so you will be stuck with whatever old tech is embedded in your device. Instead of simply replacing a single device. As the video pointed out, charging technologies are changing and require different adapters.
@robo7981
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting :) ... but now a LOT of us are now using wireless charges. I would be quite interested in that. Thanks, Rob
@benkeysor7576
3 жыл бұрын
You actually waste a lot of energy by wireless charging and it's probably going to be slower than fast charging. It's probably OK for a top-off or occasional charging but I wouldn't rely on it for a full or regular charging because that pad will eventually overheat and fail.
@Hoggdoc1946
3 жыл бұрын
Which are notoriously slow charging.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
I might do a comparison on the recent receptacle I installed with wireless charging, a MagSafe wireless charger, and the 20W adapter. Might be surprised on the MagSafe charge rate.
@robo7981
3 жыл бұрын
@@benkeysor7576 I definitely respect your comment. Everyone has different sizes budgets :) From my personal experience, wireless phone charges are one of those things that seem like a waste of money until you use it once. Then ya never go back... I think your money point is valid, but like with receptacles if you pay 50% more for commercial-grade it's only another buck. It's not like a 50% premium on a $100 item... Lastly, place it before you go to bed. You are good to go. Just my opinion... Thanks, Rob
@robo7981
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Good idea. I would just suggest you keep in mind today's realities. How many times do you charge a new phone in a day? What are the absolute dollars versus %s in terms of electricity usage? How many of us have a charger in the car? Scenario: I am sitting here now and typing with my charger in the wireless cradle. I go for a glass of water, I take my phone with me... Just my input. I hope I am explaining myself ok... Thanks, Rob
@Quadrille763
3 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video I have a Leviton 4 port usb outlet and it takes all night to charge
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, some times the USB outlets fall flat on performance.
@dustintunis9347
3 жыл бұрын
That's good for your battery, fast charging creates more heat which is hard on batteries.
@xking18
3 жыл бұрын
I've tested Leviton USB-C 30W outlet and it was able to jump up to ~15V ~2A charge (was testing with iPad Pro) so it was charging it faster than included 18W brick. I'm surprised your Legrand outlet did not step the voltage up.
@LzysGraphics
3 жыл бұрын
iPhones don’t support 30W charging yet
@southtowntn
3 жыл бұрын
I won't get into all of the details, but chargers have to support the "fast change" protocol that matches your device to take advantage it. USB is natively 5 volts, fast charging steps up the voltage 9V, 12v, and above. There are in wall USB and USB / receptacles available that support "fast charging". You just need to know what charging protocol is used in your device. Example, with Qualcomm its called Quick Charge and there are different versions also 2.0 3.0 and 4.0 being the latest at the time of writing this. Just to name a few others, Power Delivery, Pump Express, Rapid Charging, Dash Charge, and there are others. This is just an example (and not an affiliate link) of an in wall USB / receptacle - www.amazon.com/TOPGREENER-Delivery-Receptacle-Samsung-TU115QC3PD/dp/B07M87BM96
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Robert thanks for the feedback. I have a Leviton USB-C outlet showing up tomorrow and interested to give it a go. amzn.to/3eytj9b
@edwardlanegraff5423
3 жыл бұрын
Supported by the USB Power Delivery 3.0 PPS (programmable power standard), Galaxy S20, S20+, and S20 Ultra's Super Fast Charging capabilities pull 25 watts of power when plugged in, to repower your phone in a flash. For even faster charging, you can connect your device to the 45W Travel Adapter and harness the power of Super Fast Charging 2.0. *45W Travel Adapter sold separately. I'm sure iPhone has something like this also
@Joel-qv9zi
3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I have a question for you: I installed two of these LeGrand outlets and noticed what appears to be a massive oversight in design. Once a device is fully charged, it stops sending power to the device then resumes sending power 1 second later. So the device starts charging again only to reach full charge in another second and the outlet cuts power again. It cycles like this indefinitely, on/off/on/off every second. The charging indicator on the device turns on, then off, then on, then off, etc. As I understand, this is a great way to kill a battery isn’t it? I contacted Legrand support, and they told me they think this might be intentional behavior which baffles me. Am I missing something? Do other brand charging outlets do this as well such as Levitown or Hubble? This does not occur with any other chargers I’ve used ever - usually the device itself decides it’s charged and stops charging its battery, but it can’t do this if power is cycled to the device, akin to plugging and unplugging it every second.
@KevinBenecke
3 жыл бұрын
Can you do this test again, but have something plugged into the 2nd. charging port? It would be interesting to see if there is a drop in performance if both ports are being used together.
@EyebrowsMahoney
3 жыл бұрын
There usually is. Most of these outlets don't have any real regulation in them and tend to sag when there's a high load on them. I can't speak for the outlets he's specifically using, but (as it has been my experience with other outlets) they're generally just as bad as a cheap knock-off 5v power adapter.
@jefffisher2480
3 жыл бұрын
Ditto. I would like to see the results if something like a (real world) coffee maker shared the outlet.
@EricMatern
3 жыл бұрын
This was sooooo helpful! I would have though directly plugged into the recepticle would be the fastest. I am changing recepticles in my daughters room and this really helped! Thanks.
@jpsalis
3 жыл бұрын
It'll definitely depend on the wall adapter you use, but generally that's true. Those 20w USB adapters take up a lot of room that you might not normally have behind an outlet
@Greg9005
3 жыл бұрын
Method 1 an 3 used the older standards, 5V @ 1 amp and 5V @ 2 amp (fast chagrining). Its non proprietary at this point. Method 2 uses Power Delivery. that changes the the voltage and amps to make the fastest charge possible until it hits 80% then it goes to standard 5v until 100% (Power delivery requires that the phone and charger talk to each other to negotiate the BEST charge. Hence the USB-c cable.
@edwardlanegraff5423
3 жыл бұрын
The second one was charging at 8.8 volts that makes a big difference. There are different charging profiles for different brand phones, the cables and chargers must fit that profile
@david_sdiego
3 жыл бұрын
Never charge a phone with more than 5 volts. Extra watts (or amps) is fine but not volts.
@edwardlanegraff5423
3 жыл бұрын
@@david_sdiego you need to keep up with the times, Samsung Super Fast Charging and Adaptive Fast Charging VoltageMax PowerSamsung Adaptive Fast Charging 5V/9V 18W Samsung Super Fast Charging 1.0 11V 25W Samsung Super Fast Charging 2.0 10V 45W Mar 23, 2021
@stans5270
3 жыл бұрын
And that's why I would never install a USB outlet. In three years that plug will be obsolete. Heck, it's already obsolete by two generations of charging already. You might as well put an RJ11 outlet into the wall.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, definitely something to consider in addition to the durability of the ports after repeat and frequent usage.
@robb0995
3 жыл бұрын
Meh. So, you swap out the receptacle when it’s outdated (which will take longer than 3 years). Still worth the convenience.
@jcreazy
3 жыл бұрын
USB C is a fairly new standard and will probably by around for at least 10-15 years.
@stans5270
3 жыл бұрын
@@jcreazy USB-C is the port used - Not the standard used. Almost any phone, tablet, or Macbook made since 2019 uses a newer standard than what this offers. "30W of power supplying its two included USB Type-C connections" has been replaced years ago.
@stans5270
3 жыл бұрын
@@robb0995 Meh, my OC stated that it's already outdated [unless you're still using a flip phone]. Prove me wrong with FACTS.
@lissataylor12345
Жыл бұрын
Great info! ❤
@1stMarine
3 жыл бұрын
Great job 👌
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😁
@aajohnsoutube
3 жыл бұрын
I bought the klien meter. Had to have one
@Bremend
3 жыл бұрын
We're you trying an apple device, since power tracking apps on Android usually work (then again, I've only tested on Samsung devices)
@cobrastrike6043
3 жыл бұрын
Ok, so I'll start by saying up front that I tend to be a very frugal buyer of electronics. That said, I'm leery of using adapters that aren't specifically supported by the devices that I'm looking to charge b/c I see nothing wrong w/ spending a few extra minutes on the charger when I want to maximize the longevity of the devices and their batteries. Also, I have yet to see a user manual recommending anything other than the adapter that comes with whatever is being charged. I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that the faster a device is being charged, the more heat is going to be the natural byproduct, and in especially the modern delicate devices, heat kills, which is why shipping products can be highly scrutinized, fires are not uncommon enough, and etc...
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the feedback 👍
@cobrastrike6043
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs no problem! Btw, I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, b/c I'm definitely getting the tool you used, b/c as you point out the specs are an important thing to know. 😎
@anthonystefanacci9890
3 жыл бұрын
The Legrand unit's are only 5v3a (15 watts) per plug. The iPhone at 5v will top out around 2a (10 watts) even though the charger is faster. Only some androids can use the full 15 watts of the Legrand. The Leviton units can do 5v3a (15 watts), 9v3a (27 watts) or and 15v2a (30 watts) depending on the device. Newer iPhones can do 9v2.2a (20 watt) max. Something you can only achieve with a USB-C that supports 9v charging (Leviton). Newer laptops that can charge via USB-C can also benefit from hitting the full 15v2a (30 watts) from the Leviton units which is the same as chargers included with the MacBook airs. Half as fast as the units included with the 13 MacBook Pro or about a third as fast as the units included with the 15/16 inch MacBook Pro.
@bighigh69
Жыл бұрын
There would have to be much better outlets in this day and age. Can you do an updated 2023 video for us please? There has to be better outlets now
@blueridgerennsport
3 жыл бұрын
The Leviton T5635 and T5835 are both 6A outlets that claim to charge a single USB C device at 30W, or two devices at 15W. To be honest I have never heard of the Legrand brand before, but I have plenty of positive experience with Leviton. Maybe do an update with the Leviton T5635 outlet?
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Done and done ✅ kzitem.info/news/bejne/15uozp-EoaR_h5g
@blueridgerennsport
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs That's what I get for not checking your page first. Thanks!
@gnic76
3 жыл бұрын
I use a charger with the Qualcomm 3.0 + chip. 50% charge in 30 min. A usb wall port would be good for wireless ear buds, power banks etc.
@kevinheard8364
3 жыл бұрын
@G Nic Yes... I put a rather long-winded comment myself... This whole thing goes against the "regulated / step down" voltage provided by Qualcomm. I am admittedly completely ignorant; but I'm just not comfortable with this advice, at all.
@melinda5777
3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Melinda!
@UMfan21
3 жыл бұрын
In the beginning you referred to the fact the receptacle was rated for 6A but you never went back to that. On your tests, the meter never went above about 2.2A. So, does that mean it is 3A per USB receptacle? Or is the iPhone limiting the amperage?
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Yes and yes. I think the iPhone is limiting to 2.2 Amps and also each of the USB-C ports can only pull 3 Amps. I do have a Leviton T5635 amzn.to/3novC2K being delivered tomorrow and that unit can deliver 30W on a single USB-C port. I am curious to see if it is able to deliver more than 5V which will be critical to get the full capability of the iPhone fast charging feature. Stay tuned 👍
@UMfan21
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs good work, appreciate the followup. I am not much of a DIY electrician, but I do build my own computers. PC power operates at 5V DC power. It would not surprise me if other electronics like iPhone also operate at 5v
@francoisbelangerboisclair
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I would go for usb-c outlet charger until they make them with GaN technology and PD delivery at a good price.
@travis1240
3 жыл бұрын
I like the usb-a socket idea but I'm not sure a good idea for usb-c. It seems like it would be easy to jam a usb-c plug into the hot side of the 120vac socket.
@robertcringely7348
3 жыл бұрын
This shows the difference between a vendor designing to the industry spec or to what -- as the manufacturer of the target iPhone -- they know it can tolerate. All versions of USB are supposed to be 5V, so that's what you get out of that wall adapter. They have to do it that way for UL certification and to be sure they don't damage some USB devices. Apple, on the other hand, got UL certification for the charger/phone COMBINATION. Since they knew the phone could tolerate 9V, that's where they went with the results you measured. The point is that the 20W adapter is intended specifically for USB-C iPhones, not generic USB-powered devices.
@cooter.malone
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@sminthian
3 жыл бұрын
Can each of the USB ports do .91Wh on their own, or they have to share that amount between the two?
@arnoldwilson5377
3 жыл бұрын
I literally installed one of these yesterday
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Great minds think alike 👍
@raphaelsanchez4797
15 күн бұрын
Hi Scott. I watch your videos and rely on your opinions before I make a purchase. As you know, Smart switches are expensive. I am remodeling an entire home. I see Smart switches from Aliexpress that are less than $10 and they allegedly work with Alexa, Google, and other manufacturers including Zigbee and Home Assistant. They also come in black, gold, and white, and they look amazing. Is it possible for you to test their reliability? Thanks!
@johngaleazza3652
3 жыл бұрын
I would assume that the setup that has the least number of electrical components/switches would be the most efficient (though maybe not the fastest), as there are miniscule power losses when converting power.
@KevinSchaefer1394
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not an expert on those outlets specifically, but it is essentially doing the same thing as just using an adapter. The only difference is it is just built-in. So from that standpoint, it wouldn't be any more/less efficient. Either way, you have to convert AC to DC
@benkeysor7576
3 жыл бұрын
The second adapter is going to be the best option for modern smart phones for the simple fact they can do fast charging which requires 9 volts instead of 5 volts and I highly doubt outlets are going to have 9 volts because that would possibly damage other things besides a phone. Now it could have a dual voltage circuit in it but that would make it quite expensive. Even if one outlet could fast charge I'll still stick to adapters. EDIT- Just as I suspected the outlet can't fast charge and if you try to slow charge certain phones, you may be charging your phone an entire day, if you run the battery down to below 20%. I have an LG Velvet which is huge and even at 50-60% it still takes an hour or more to fast charge, using a USB-A to USB-C cable.
@themadatheist1976
3 жыл бұрын
I think it have to be in the spec to switch to what the device calls for.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Solid guess Ben 👍!
@AndrewFremantle
3 жыл бұрын
Read up on 'USB Power Delivery'. That adapter will deliver standard USB 5-volts, until and unless a connected device talks to it and says 'Hey, I actually want more voltage please'.
@davidwayneprins
3 жыл бұрын
Curious if the outlet's charging time is affected at all by if only one phone is connected (with nothing else) vs 2 phones or something also pulling from the 110 outlets?
@mjc0961
3 жыл бұрын
The little brick is 5W. Your outlet package said 6W. The Apple USB C charger is 20W. Thus, Apple's charger is going to absolutely destroy the other two, and the in-outlet plug will only do a little better than the baby brick. Okay, the outlet did a lot better than I expected. Going back, it's because I'm an idiot and confused the 6 _amps_ on that package for watts. Oops.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, honest mistake. The outlet also did better than I expected. Need to research a bit more and see if there is one on the market which can actually deliver fast charging voltage and amperage.
@AndrewFremantle
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the outlet package said 6 *Amps*. Very different beast, and that would be 5 volts * 6 amps = 30W if the receptacle lives up to it's claims and a connected device tries to draw that much.
@DonaldZiems
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs, I have Leviton's outlet with two USB-C ports, and can confirm it has USB-PD, so works great to charge iDevices at maximum speed. T5635 (15A) or T5835 (20A). Topgreener makes one too, though I haven't personally tested it: TU115QC3PD
@TechTimeWithEric
3 жыл бұрын
I'm old fashioned, even though my OnePlus 8 pro came with a crazy fast charger, the one I charge it with is an old 2 amp charger from my old Galaxy S2. I think I've used the fast charger twice since I've had it. Also with those outlets you have to read the fine print, they will say 6 amp, but really it's 3 amps per socket.
@Techy2493
3 жыл бұрын
You might have a problem here, does your multimeter allow the device to properly negotiate charge rates? A lot of the newer phones and chargers actually communicate back and forth and determine the charge rate of the device and supply power appropraitely.
@edwardlanegraff5423
3 жыл бұрын
I also bought a device like that on Amazon for 20 dollars, they are great for testing USB chargers and cables
@Mark-hu9tf
3 жыл бұрын
So the 20w charged 4x quicker than the 5w? If so I guess it's hardly surprising.
@rickjljr11
3 жыл бұрын
would an android device negotiate with the receptacle to get the higher voltage?
@themegasexybasterd
3 жыл бұрын
do u know if the fast charge affects the batteries life like other batteries and charging?
@QoraxAudio
3 жыл бұрын
Wow that reverb is a bit much... Setup two is probably faster than three. I don't think it's wise to built high power chargers enclosed into a wall. The higher the power, the higher the chance of a fire hazard. I really recommend *not* building stuff into a wall, since modern electronics often get warm and walls don't dissipate that warmth.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and you are right on the audio. It is a common challenge when moving around to different properties and rooms when it comes to audio quality.
@QoraxAudio
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Ah yes I see, that's a tricky issue. Maybe a directional microphone can help reducing room reverb? 🤔
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
@@QoraxAudio I think you are correct. I have a SHURE iPhone shutgun mic on order 🤞
@QoraxAudio
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Nice. I have a Rode NTG2 shotgun mic, which has a built in microphone preamp that also does the phantom power, works really well! 👌
@arthurspooner36
Жыл бұрын
New samsung phone cables are c types on both ends. Outlets is already outdated unless you find a micro adapter.
@elijahwatson8119
3 жыл бұрын
Regardless of weather or not the USB outlets can charge as fast as current chargers, I still don't get the allure of them. Sure, they may be fine now, but what about in a few years when technology changes? I don't want to have to replace my outlet when I buy a new phone...
@michaellevandoski1053
3 жыл бұрын
Without reading all the comments, was the battery level of your phone the same for each test? Apparently, phones throttle the charging "speeds" based on the current level of the battery.... (you answered this in the end! Cool work, and thank you for such thorough and comprehendable videos!)
@dustintunis9347
3 жыл бұрын
He said it was below 50% for all of the tests, so at least comparable though likely not exactly the same.
@michaellevandoski1053
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for replying Brother. 😊 ... As a side note, this is cool and it makes me wonder how far off other brands of USB-integrated outlets might be...
@themadatheist1976
3 жыл бұрын
Try Cool Tool from the play store, it has a milliamp slot.
@kuhrd
3 жыл бұрын
In most cases charging your phone slowly is far better for the battery than using fast charging. Depending on your device you may not be able to rely on a regular 5V only charging port as some larger devices like tablets and Chromebooks need 9V or 12V power delivery mode or more on the USB port to charge. I would not ever recommend putting any switchmode PSU in a wall cavity or receptacle box as they generally lack decent surge suppression, isolation, and they are a phantom load when you are not charging any devices. Many of these receptacles also provide a very noisy 5V output which may cause a device to fail or be damaged over time. On many devices, using a 3rd party adapter may also void your warranty if the 3rd party adapter does not meet or exceed the original adapter quality and specs. People would be amazed how much money they could shave off their electric bill if they eliminate all the phantom loads in their house.
@rodneyjames4721
3 жыл бұрын
Which one maximizes life of battery?
@lividsquid1721
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to see how something like the Leviton T5635 that supports USB-C Power Delivery (PD) performs. It claims up to 30 watts (15 V at 2 A) or 27 watts (9 V at 3 A). Of course that's assuming the PD implementation of your device can support 30 watt charging (e.g. my phone only supports 15W (5V/3A), while my wife's phone can do at least 27W (9V/3A)).
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Ha, great minds think alike. Have the T5635 arriving this Wed and planned on creating a video/installing in my kitchen. Stay tuned 👍
@lividsquid1721
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Awesome! Looking forward to it!
@kevinheard8364
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not an electrician. I'm not a cell phone person. This whole video goes against what I "know" (or "mis-know"): Qualcomm 3.0 (& other prior series') indicate that the voltage is reduced over time and (I think) start at a higher voltage. In addition, batteries - to my non-understanding - are designed to only accept so much "oomph" in a charge. For all ofthe really knowledgeable people out there, how wrong am I? This video just doesnt coincide wit all my misunderstandings at all....and in that ignorance, I have no desire whatsoever to put my phone onto a non Qualcomm anything..... I know: I'm the idiot here.
@gnic76
3 жыл бұрын
That is how I understand it to work as well. Qualcomm 3.0 initially starts out as a fast charger then slows it down as it reaches 80% or something. Phone has to be compatible with Qualcomm for that all to work. I also charge wirelessly but pros and cons to that, as well as different wattage specs.
@a-yates
3 жыл бұрын
Would figure plugging directly into the receptacle would be the best but depends what is in the box as far as output rate
@extantsanity
3 жыл бұрын
I've been upgrading my outlets with those sockets as well, and one of them went out already. The 120V portions still work, but the USB-A and USB-C portion of the outlet no longer provide voltage. Pretty disappointed and hope it's an isolated incident.
@KevinSchaefer1394
3 жыл бұрын
Personally I don't see the benefits of using those outlets. Sure, they might be a bit "cleaner", but there's definitly a hassle to install them, and it makes it harder to upgrade to a faster charging system in the future. As we've seen, phones continue to support faster and faster charging speeds, so why limit yourself to something that is harder to upgrade. I can see why this could be more convenient, but at least in my house, I just have an adapter in the couple of places I charge my phone and other devices
@floobertuber
3 жыл бұрын
I actually AVOID charging my phone as quickly as possible. It has Qualcomm's quickcharge tech, but when I use it, the phone gets noticeably hotter. And that is OUTSIDE of the phone body, which I'm sure dissipates the heat over a larger surface area than the battery itself... meaning the battery suffers heat effects worse than you can feel (or IR measure) on the outside. Since most phones don't have user-replaceable batteries anymore, I want to extend battery calendar life by any means necessary. 5V 1.5A charging is plenty fast for me!
@floobertuber
3 жыл бұрын
FWIW, I also avoid discharging below 15%, as well as above 75%.
@marcberm
3 жыл бұрын
Prediction: The USB-C Apple charger will be the best, but the Legrand outlet will still be a lot better than the traditional Apple USB-A charger.
@marcberm
3 жыл бұрын
The USB-C standard is designed for/capable of higher currents, and I know the small Apple USB-C brick is a higher wattage charger than the tiny default Apple cube. But I still just had a feeling that the charger included in the duplex outlet would be better but wouldn't match the winner... That one was just a hunch/educated guess.
@marcberm
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting also that it roughly halves charge time at each step ~20/40/80.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Admittedly, until a few weeks ago I would plug into the tiny 5W adapter if nothing else was handy but it is SUPER slow for a 12 Pro Max which sparked the interest.
@marcberm
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs I'm just as bad. I use my stockpile of old tiny Apple cubes all over, but I do try to keep them to places like the nightstand where time isn't really as much of a factor. They also make really compact little power supplies for other USB-A powered electronic devices that draw relatively little power.
@NightHawk59
3 жыл бұрын
How would a GaN charger compare? I've heard they are pretty efficient and generally charge devices quickly.
@DonaldZiems
3 жыл бұрын
GaN is more for small size and efficient charging. It's theoretically the same speed as standard silicon chargers, but does allow for faster charging from a given size of adapter.
@mr.g937
3 жыл бұрын
Is there a receptacle out there that can deliver the needed voltage for "fast-charging"? Would be interesting to find a receptacle with better specs than the Legrand to see if you can match the USB-C plug adapter
@kyleayer6762
3 жыл бұрын
Leviton T5635 claims 30W charging on a single device. That's the highest I've managed to find so far.
@DrLoveQc
3 жыл бұрын
nice vid as always! I saw that the Leviton T5635 can deliver 30 watts (1 port, or half on 2 ports). But the main difference seems that it is more like a real usb-c pd port, so it can go over 5 volts.Many power hungry devices with usb c needs more then 5V to charge. I saw an amazon review with a usb meter and it can do 14.7V at 1.82A on a laptop.
@s.vancourt9541
3 жыл бұрын
Is there a difference with Android?
@TheForgottenMan270
3 жыл бұрын
Need to careful about amp output. That has the potential to burn out the device and/or cord. The plug chargers are rated to prevent damage to the phone battery. USB integrated receptacle chargers aren’t designed to do that. The wise thing to use is use the charger that came with the charger. The other advantage not using the USB integrated plug is the plug is 1) really expensive, 2) they have a short life span. So personally I wouldn’t purchase one.
@Popper_
Жыл бұрын
Amps (A) x Volts (V) = Watts (W)
@bjre.wa.8681
3 жыл бұрын
@4:13 Pretty near 9Volts?? I thought every charger HAD to be 5 Volts or less??
@blueridgerennsport
3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the phone. Samsung "Adaptive Fast Charging" (and others) uses a 9V/2A charging system. The device can communicate with the charger and turn on the "high-voltage" mode.
@travis1240
3 жыл бұрын
USB-PD (a standard for charging) calls for 5, 9, 12, and 20V. The voltage is negotiated between the charger and the device.
@EyebrowsMahoney
3 жыл бұрын
I hate the built in USB wall outlets. Such a waste. I've always had them charge much slower than a decent quality wall jack. I bought some Qualcomm Quickcharge and USB PD power adapters and charge to 90% in less than 40 minutes. I can't say exactly because I've never timed it, but I can get a full days worth out of a 30 minute charge. The outlets are "dumb" and don't use QC or PD. I'm holding out for some Outlets with QC3.0/PD... I would love nothing more than to keep my wall warts as a travel charger.
@MJ-qt4dm
3 жыл бұрын
Are you on P. Isl?
@donf3877
3 жыл бұрын
You do realize that the power supply to convert the 120 volts AC to 5 volts DC built into the outlet is drawing current 24/7/365???
@blueridgerennsport
3 жыл бұрын
So do the plug-in style USB chargers that nobody unplugs when they aren't using. What's your point? The power they consume when not in use is tiny - about 20 - 25 cents worth per year. The convenience they offer is worth more than that to me.
@donf3877
3 жыл бұрын
@@blueridgerennsport Then I guess myself and lots of my friends are "nobody". And, depending on where you live, that 20 - 25 cents per year can easily be more like 50 - 100 cents a month. By yourself a plug-in in-line watt meter. You will be amazed at how much you are wasting having things plugged in for the convenience of being able to just turn them on. Flat screens, cable boxes, computers, laptops, A/V and HDMI switches, and lots of other electrical equipment... all sap power 24/7. A friend was amazed to find his cable box was drawing over 450 watts on standby! But go ahead and waste power... just don't complain about all the coal and gas fired or nuke power plants... or how large your electric bill is... or brown-outs because of too much load. Try installing a solar panel system and living on just that power... then you will know how to save energy!!!
@blueridgerennsport
3 жыл бұрын
@@donf3877 I don't complain about any of it, the cost of electricity or how it's made. $60 to $120 a year is negligible as far as I am concerned. Life is too short to live so miserly! The AC stays at 68, the heat at 70, and all is well in my world. I'd hate to see your reaction to the fuel economy half my cars get 😮 I'm afraid you might explode.
@blueridgerennsport
3 жыл бұрын
@@donf3877 To put things into perspective, the average cost of electricity in the US is 14.06¢ per kWh. Your average 5W USB charger left plugged in will use about 1.5kWh per year. Even if you live in Hawaii with the highest electricity costs of 32.4¢ per kWh, it still comes out to less than 50¢ per year. You could find more money than that under the seats of your car! If you're really *that* worried about a USB wall outlet consuming power while not in use, have it wired to a switch... Though it will take 200 years or more to recoup that cost at 50¢ per year 🤣
@donf3877
3 жыл бұрын
@@blueridgerennsport Well, lets see. My Jimmy with Dana 60 air lockers front and rear can manage 6 MPG... if I drive it at 55. I don't. At 65 it's more like 4 on a good day. It's a good thing there are twin 22 gallon tanks on her. Of course, she can pull trees out stump, roots and all... so there is that. Also, with 35's, she hasn't met a road, or what some people call a road (like mine), that she couldn't handle. And, due to my joints, I take a very hot shower, and a 110 degree Epsom Salts bath, before going to bed. You can't get into that. You have to bring the temp up gradually while you're in it. So... my bedroom AC is set at least at 62, sometimes even 60, to compensate for my body temperature. Of course, every room has its own mini-split heat pump/AC system, so there is that. I don't complain about the cost or how most of the electricity is made either. There is no meter on my property. All the electricity I use is from solar and wind charging a battery bank. So when the rest of the country is screaming about the electricity (like they did in Texas a few months ago), I'll be either as hot or as cold as I want............
@david_sdiego
3 жыл бұрын
That middle one was nearly 9v - an unsafe level for something rated for 5v.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, what are you indicating is rated for 5V? USB C?
@david_sdiego
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs I'm not an Apple user but I thought all phones were 5v input.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
@@david_sdiego 5 volts was the max for years and years but the USB C and Fast Charging combo has opened things up to as high as 20 volts even though you won't see that high charging a cell phone.
@david_sdiego
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs USB-C must have the new "PD" (power delivery) specification to adjust to the device connected. Your middle charger doesn't have it. It's the extra amperage (or wattage) that provides the fast charge. Over voltage will kill your device.
@kahweet
3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see 2 phones charged using the receptacle at the same time. I'm assuming there would be a reasonable drop in charging capabilities.
@LuLu_World
3 жыл бұрын
Phones do not use a lot of charge capacity. By Hubbell USB15A2W for fastest charging receptacle. I don’t think Lowe’s. Has Hubbell anymore so check local electrical distributors
@fieldlab4
3 жыл бұрын
In my experience USB-C solves a LOT of charging issues. I used go crazy trying to find working combinations of chargers, cables and devices. Some just would not work. Apple lightning always seemed to work though. There's is nothing wrong with slower charging for a lot of applications though because it's easier on devices.
@caidhg
3 жыл бұрын
It's called usb-c-pd that's what laptop chargers are.
@Thingstest-rl8xu
3 жыл бұрын
Not only does a wall plug with builtin USB has many issues with becoming obsolete and dying... Many will install this to every room or even every outlet and all eating power and generating heat 24/7. This is not good even ignoring save the planet hype. When they are finally used, they generate More heat that must be remove or will have a short life. Worse here if the box is full of wires or buried in Concrete, Insulation, etc. Most wall warts gets hotter when used but have huge amounts of air move over them to cool and other last 10 years or more *Plus I can unplug them when not used.*
@SteveGarfunkle
3 жыл бұрын
👍🏼👍🏼
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
👊
@Hoggdoc1946
3 жыл бұрын
I think an important subject that was not addressed in the outlet mfg advertised 6 amp USB charging, 3 amps per USB-C plug and delivered far less.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Details, details 😁
@robb0995
3 жыл бұрын
In fact, it was *the* interesting outcome of the entire experiment. You don’t need a multimeter to tell you that 5W * 1/12 of an hour ~= .42Wh and that 20W would be four times that. All I needed was Ohm’s Law and a calculator for that, assuming they provided the advertised power. However, 6A @ 5V should’ve been delivering 30W, and the interesting topic is to understand why. Was the multimeter incompatible with it and failed to draw the amps it could’ve? Was it misconfigured? Was the receptacle defective? Or was the advertised amperage misleading?
@robb0995
3 жыл бұрын
www.legrand.us/wiring-devices/outlets-and-receptacles/residential-receptacles/radiant-15a-tamper-resistant-ultra-fast-usb-type-c-c-outlet/p/r26usbcc6wccv6 The Legrand website confirms that it should’ve been capable of delivering 6A or 30W per port, so it should’ve won and been 50% faster than setup 2.
@AndrewFremantle
3 жыл бұрын
The criticisms of the Legrand outlet are perhaps slightly unfair - The phone *pulled* 2A, that's not necessarily to say the outlet couldn't have delivered more had the phone drawn it. Apple may limit non-Power Delivery USB charging to the 'standard' 2 amps. Fundamentally this is the reason I would never install devices like these - I want to replace receptacles once every 20 years, if that, but USB power delivery is a rapidly moving target that becomes obsolete very quickly.
@robb0995
3 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewFremantle to be clear, I didn’t criticize Legrand. I just said the interesting topic would be why the full 30W wasn’t delivered. I do believe that either the multimeter or the phone limited the amp draw.
@waynegram8907
3 жыл бұрын
I'm still very confused why the 20amp will charge faster when the iPhone only needs 1amp. Any other is meters that will measure USB besides Klein because Klein can be expensive. The more amps of current is faster watts per hour wH but it doesn't make sense because the device under test like a cellphone only needs 1amp of current.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Wayne, The phone will only pull 1 Amp at 5V when using the small 5 Watt charger but when you step up to Setup 2 and 3 in this video the phone will pull well over 1 Amp.
@AndrewFremantle
3 жыл бұрын
You might want to update your knowledge of USB battery charging, and especially 'USB Power Delivery'. The world is not like it was 10 years ago.
@waynegram8907
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs but the outlet would have to have a 20amp or 25amp circuit breaker because most home outlets are mostly 15amp circuit breakers so you can't use a 20amp USB outlet?
@waynegram8907
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs if the phone is pulling 20amps per hour the cell phone should be charged in seconds because 20amps is a lot of current and not sure why it will take 30mins to charge a cellphone at 20amps. There is something very wrong with that is outlet or the measurements are wrong because 20amps multiplied by 5volt is a lot of watts triple from what the cell phone needs to charge
@dustintunis9347
3 жыл бұрын
@@waynegram8907 - 20 watts, not 20 amps. Assuming no loss for simplicity that is 0.16 amps @ 120 volts (household voltage), or 2.2 amps at the 9 volts it was charging at.
@curry3036
3 жыл бұрын
I don't like charge fast because it will be bad for the battery it will end up making u device go dead faster
@privateuser7534
3 жыл бұрын
Higher amps = faster charge.
@johnmirbach2338
3 жыл бұрын
😎👌👍✌🖖😁
@infin1ty850
3 жыл бұрын
Bro, Apple is not the major phone product, most people have some kind of Android phone with either USB-C or Micro-USB. This video, with your examples, only appeals to a smaller subset of phone users. Give us something actually appeals to the majority of us.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
😁 Have to work with what phone I use and last time I checked I think there are over 110 million iPhones in the US 🤷♂️
@seniorcomputer3292
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the world uses Android by a large edge. USA however is a different story.
@samuelfeguer
3 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs ignore this fool. Great video.
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