I was there in the peloton from his beginning to his end. He beat me for his only US Pro Championship jersey at US PRO Road Race in Philly. I won the bronze medal that year. Anyone who wasn't there has no idea what they're talking about. Lance won all his tours on a level playing field. Every GC contender was dirty then. Also, if any of the keyboard warriors out there think pro cycling is clean now they are children who should talk to Santa Clause about it when he comes to visit them. Just wait in front of the chimney. There have always been clean riders, there still are. There were more clean riders in America from the 90's to now than there were in Europe. There are many reasons why, but that's another conversation.
@andrewturchan6065
2 жыл бұрын
Well said !!!
@dannyr333
2 жыл бұрын
Dayum we're a pro cyclist. And u raced and got 3rd with Lance. Ur a friggin machine. I'm a amatuer cyclist. Glad to read ur post. Yes Lance got shit on but in my book he's cool as a cyclist and as regular guy. It sux what happened. All anyone if I was in his shoes just keep journeying on and ignore people's bullshit. Easier sed than done but... And that's whats he's doing. Peace my man!
@jamiepaolinetti5087
2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyr333 thanks man! It was a great life. You'll like this movie about my team in 2001 - kzitem.info/news/bejne/yIWv1XyubYKjdW0
@dannyr333
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamiepaolinetti5087 I'ma watch it right nowz I'll give u some feedback and stuff lemme check this out
@scottf3456
2 жыл бұрын
I remember that race. Lance was f'n impressive.
@Here2shtpst
2 жыл бұрын
"everyone hates me because I won while doping, but what about everyone who lost while doping?" - Floyd landis
@SB-nh7uv
2 жыл бұрын
lol
@fearlesssweety1926
2 жыл бұрын
Wiser answer
@redwithblackstripes
Жыл бұрын
Well they were not as good as doping as he was is what it means.People saying "lance doped but so everyone else" conveniently forget that he had the best doctors and was an hyper responder. There is no even playing field, people genetics are the hard limit to performance, but sometimes people genetics gives them an edge in a doping free context, for other the opposite. Without Doctor Ferrari Lance wins the tour, maybe even multiples ones, but not 7.
@petercooper6546
Жыл бұрын
How many times did Dr Ferrari win the tour? We thought we were watching cycling!
@davidcoomber4050
Жыл бұрын
Sure people are found out everyday for taking performance degradation drugs, you know when a guy feels his performance is too good and he feels like coming last
@muyashi21
2 жыл бұрын
The doping era did not start with Lance Armstrong and it will not finish with him, now days it is very hard understand performances of some top riders
@pagejustin5572
2 жыл бұрын
They're always trying to find ways to stay ahead.... Hopefully the end of the Armstrong era was the end of systematic doping & the end of the omerta which deceived fans for so many years.... Just keep it fair and let the rider who wants it the most prove it
@miroslavivanovitch384
2 жыл бұрын
Now that the big doping scandals have been investigated and revealed, we can find some common details and look at the current situation with some background and what signs we should look for 1) Sudden and inexplicable changes in perf at a later stage in careers Flo Jo became unbeatable at 27 L.A. morphed from 1 day racer to grand Tours champion at 28 Jalabert started his career as a sprinter and (thanks to EPO) became a TT Wolrd champion Ben Johnson became unbeatable at 26-27 years old 2) Questionable entourage including coaches and doctors previously involved in doping scandals L.A. with Ferrari T&F athletes and Salazar
@demdjen77
2 жыл бұрын
@@pagejustin5572 Are you tripping? It will never end. Same team directors, same doctors as 20 years ago!!!
@pagejustin5572
2 жыл бұрын
@@demdjen77 yes.... But it's nice to at least want to believe that a lesson was learned & nobody wants to be the one to have 5 tour victories stripped away..... But who knows..... That toxic mentality of what happens in the sport stays in the sport sadly doesn't seem to be going away.... In any sport
@pagejustin5572
2 жыл бұрын
@Vegan's R Silly so you're a lifelong cycling fan..... Convinced not only that is doping present right now.... But that it always will be
@lukepaulson3428
2 жыл бұрын
He had a VO2 of 85. He doped like everyone else. He was better than everyone else.
@jonathanhamel
2 жыл бұрын
@Frazzox That was too early for that
@craighermle7727
2 жыл бұрын
Tyler Hamilton had a few things to say about doping in his book. He claims the field was far from level. Bigger budgets bought better technology in the form of Drs and pharmaceuticals. There's no question, that he was an incredible cyclist. I don't believe for a second that Eddy Merckx or any of his contemporaries road clean either. They rode in a time that was even less regulated and they just used different drugs amphetamines being one of them. They were just heroes that were put on the pedestal and everyone wanted to keep them there.
@Football0Lover
2 жыл бұрын
you didnt listen that different people have different responses to the drug?
@RB-xv4si
2 жыл бұрын
People respond differently to drugs in sport. It does not benefit everyone the same way. Another way to put it is, if you took the final GC of the 2000 TdF, for example; let’s say every one of them was does as best as they could, and then let’s suppose all of them rode it 100% pan y agua instead. You would not then get the same results if you cut out all the doping. They would be totally different.
@pascalblackmore8098
2 жыл бұрын
He had a lower natural hematocrit level than others, so EPO worked better. Still, he won -seven- times in a row. psychopathic levels of insane discipline and determination. Wild stuff.
@robbo3132
2 жыл бұрын
Now they bike 3 mountains in a stage at almost the same speeds as he biked one, and froome won 3 grand tours in a row, but lance was a beast for being that dominant in le tour and never cracking under the pressure of the constant haters....plus gave great interviews
@stevemt3238
2 жыл бұрын
The documentary Icarus showed that there are more variables involved with winning than just doping and the pervasiveness of drug use involves entire countries.
@Capt.sierra
Жыл бұрын
It was a matter of time before the sport was going to be discovered, drugs where all over because there was no way to test them , but rumors, where all over, with that been said , the performance of those Athletes was espectacular, the Tour the France is the most demanding sport in human history, things have Changed , but blaming Lance for wrong doing is difficult, the guy is a legend
@MarkL-we8uk
Жыл бұрын
"You'd have to be an imbecile or hypocrite to imagine that a professional cyclist who rides 235 days a year can hold himself together without stimulants". "For 50 years bike racers have been taking stimulants. Obviously we can do without them in a race, but then we will pedal 15 miles an hour (instead of 25). Since we are constantly asked to go faster and to make even greater efforts, we are obliged to take stimulants." Both quotes by Jacques Anquetil, Tour de France winner 1957, '62, '62, 63' & '64.
@ZENmud
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who lived in Switzerland for 12 years (1997-2010), I saw these great stages whenever I could. Lance on Joux-Plane; Hamilton with broken collarbone; etc... I am only sad about one aspect: the UCI and TDF removed Lance as victor, but never addressed the conquests of Richard Virenque, Laurent Jalabert, or Bernard Hinault. Hell, if Eddy introduced Lance to Dr Ferrara, what does that tell us about Merckx? WADA is only 'insurance' for Team and Event owners, and their sponsors: as long as the IOC or UCI can point to WADA, shrug their metaphorical shoulders and whine "But WADA is doing everything possible!", then Coca-Cola™ will continue pumping $300 plus million dollars into such events... 👁️👁️
@darrellcriswell9919
2 жыл бұрын
Freddy Martens told us a lot about Merck's antics, he was truly terrible. We don't know the exact extent of his drug use, Martens said drugs were used primarily during the Classics and not as much during the tours.
@chriscannoles7319
Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@djaaronmorris1624
Жыл бұрын
Eddy dope back in his day too. But he’s a god of cycling 😒 It’s only because Lance is a American crushing a European sport is the reason why they stripped his wins. He will always be a 7 time champion in my book.
@savagepro9060
Жыл бұрын
@@djaaronmorris1624 Don't stupid, it was the American governing bodies that attacked Lance. the European authorities did ALL they could to protect and defend lance, as far as possible, both for themselves and Lance himself!
@SouthernRotors
10 ай бұрын
Merckx was great but he was busting three times for doping and kicked out of the Giro in 1969.
@michaelbonade4667
9 ай бұрын
It still hurts to think about Marco Pantani and his final days....
@andyhodgson7692
2 жыл бұрын
This assessment is so spot on. People often watch the footage of Indurain moving past Armstrong like Armstrong is hardly moving in a 1994 time trial of the Tour de France. It never ceases to amaze me that some people think that Indurain was cleaner than Armstrong during that race. That is completely ludicrous and yet some people believe it.
@Ayog06
2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe M.I, would've been clean myself. But I'd like to think so, but we've said this before with other riders. Right? But I do believe Big Mig reigns above Big Tex.
@yellowquantum4240
2 жыл бұрын
Cipolinni, Indurain, Pantani all doped even Wiggins. The whole sport is contaminated.
@LETOUR7TIMESFRANCE
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ayog06 Fuck no! 7 MJs BABY WON💪💪..with more than just ITT stage wins. 2003 stage 15 luiz arden💪. Go back and watch it kid. Big wig never won a mountain top finish in his 5 straight.
@LETOUR7TIMESFRANCE
2 жыл бұрын
With all due respect I'm just saying
@miroslavivanovitch384
2 жыл бұрын
Indurain rode in the "perfect" era for him: EPO available and years before first test available, but Indurain doping is obvious But LA. admitted to have started doping in 1991 and freaking out about other drugs in those mid 90s years Before going straight to Ferrari in 94, we could assume that, like many riders (I knew some of them) back then, he started improvising with EPO on his own before finding the right dosage with Ferrari, and finally diving head first in the pharmacy in 98
@jeffwilliams4574
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that from NZ
@dannyh8288
2 жыл бұрын
He was THE BEST at using people and treating them like dirt once their services were no longer to his benefit.
@albertmaziarz6739
Жыл бұрын
amen
@joerodriguez9350
2 жыл бұрын
Lance Armstrong won 7 times was never injured or sick. Always was in the right place at the right time . Never crashed out or lost due to a major mechanical. All the athletes in the sport were doping he would have dominated anytime.
@31763660
2 жыл бұрын
We love to build up our heroes and then burn them to ashes. We all want winners. We pay them to win. And when they've won too much, we set them alight and watch the fire. I'm willing to bet dollars that NO ONE who is capable of winning a grand tour is anything remotely close to being a "nice person". It takes competitive ruthlessness and killer instinct to win these races. But we expect these ruthless people to conform to our everyday standards of decency. Yet we love their ability to carve up the competition and leave them gasping on the road. Athletes doping isn't the problem - we "fans" are the real problem. We have no sense of the realities of competitive sport.
@chiled0g
2 жыл бұрын
He was an incredible athlete. And as a testicular cancer survivor myself, the amount of money and awareness that he provided was invaluable.
@janeztomazic5546
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly question he ever had cancer, he lied about everything
@badcornflakes6374
2 жыл бұрын
@@janeztomazic5546 He literally only has one ball
@janeztomazic5546
2 жыл бұрын
@@badcornflakes6374 have you seen them
@philipekerin122
2 жыл бұрын
Lance was the boss.Have a look at footage if you can find it at Bjarne Riis warming up before timtrial in 95 tour when he rode for GWISS , juiced to the gills.
@LamJ60
2 жыл бұрын
I never stopped having respect for his amazing drive and winning spirit, no cyclist was that concentrated as Lance Armstrong was. Concerning the use of doping, we as viewers are not the specialists in knowing the difference. I can only notice his unstoppable fighting spirit and his overwhelming appearance. He was very inspiring to active athletes in many sport categories.
@311engineering
2 ай бұрын
Undisputed champion. Doping or not, his training and supervised doping program was the pinnacle of exactly how top performance athletes should be managed. As a tactician, a master. Lance is still tops.
@lilithstrange
Жыл бұрын
the absolute G.O.A.T.
@1972dsrai
Жыл бұрын
People say he wasn't a great climber when he won his first TDF, but they ignore the fact that people do improve and will get better with the right training program. He trained harder than anyone and doping was just one of many element that made him the great rider he eventually became.
@redwithblackstripes
Жыл бұрын
Easier to train better than anyone else when you are doping better than anyone else.
@ShalomMF
2 ай бұрын
Armstrong's.main competitors were also doped so the playing field at the time was level in a way. I respect him because he was a bad-ass and is a survivor.
@MrRTH10
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Armstrong was a doper. So was almost everyone else. In my mind, anyway you slice or dice it, he was a freak of nature physically and, most of all, mentally. If I recall, Miller (from England) called Armstrong one Christmas, from a pub, to wish him a Merry Christmas. Turns out Armstrong was on a 6 hour training ride. How many other pro cyclists were out doing that kind of ride on Christmas? I never met Armstrong, but my former sponsor did. They told me Armstrong has a pure alpha vibe with eyes that look right through a person. That was when Armstrong was young. If Jamie Paolinette raced with Armstrong, I'm curious to know if he got the same impression. Armstrong was a doper, but he was the best doper to ever stage race. I'm not sure how he would have done pre-EPO, but I'm confident we'd all still know his name.
@dudeonbike800
2 жыл бұрын
You're kind of perpetuating the myth that if you just ride longer, harder and put in more miles than everyone else, you win. Not true. Armstrong wouldn't have succeeded if he just "rode like hell." Overtraining is common and derails a lot of cyclists. It destroys your will and causes injury. It has ended a lot of careers. So looking up to Lance for "hammering on Christmas" is really just trying to believe the myth of the Puritan Work Ethic conquering all.
@martinpriestman5395
2 жыл бұрын
I watched him for years no one had the ability he did he was the best and he created interest worldwide in the sport and he did amazing work in cancer awareness with the strong program
@buttlesschap
Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the early 2000s and every class I was in up to high school had someone rocking a livestrong band. The trend went away around 2007 or so from my perspective.
@nielskjr5432
2 жыл бұрын
Pantani was a pure climber. One of the best in history. But Riis, Olano, Zulle and Indurain? How good were they really? A difficult question. Riis was a very loyal domestique to Fignon for many years. One day Fignon persuaded Riis to go for a stage at the '89 Giro. And he won. The 90's were crazy times. It's difficult 30 years later to analyze how good the riders really were.
@Mavrik-60
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone was ropa doping Lance was just evening things up. He'll always be my cycle champ. The greatest so far.
@kiwiintrovert6676
2 жыл бұрын
Even though he was doping I think his going through cancer treatment increased his tolerance to pain and this may have also had an impact.
@sibchuk
2 жыл бұрын
He got the cancer because of using the testosterone, in a first place.
@junkyard3924
2 жыл бұрын
@@sibchuk what if it's not
@mindgames50
Жыл бұрын
100% of them doped they just didn’t get caught 😂 just let these high levels sports be what they are, no drug testing.
@keithburt7874
2 жыл бұрын
Lance dedicated a stage win to his fallen teammate Fabio Casartelli in one of the most passionate moments in Cycling history , grazie e pace O/O°
@steveroufas1938
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he also ruined Greg Lemond's business, he terrorized other riders to the point where they were in deep depression and living in fear for many years after the experience, resulting in some actually dropping the sport out of fear and humiliation. He lied to dying kids about doping. But, carry on idolizing such an evil fuck such as this self-centred con artist
@shyamfootprints972
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. This is a very reasonable view and understandable even though I don’t agree with the glory of Lance Armstrong.
@mylittlepitbull3143
Жыл бұрын
I've raced against Lance. Sure he was good. Of course he was good. Saw him when the national championships in Park City Utah. Being a jerk doesn't make you any friends though.
@nonfictionone
2 жыл бұрын
He won 7 tours de france. I think he was quite good.
@dominikk7237
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think that Lemond and Indurain were clean?
@RoadBikersPoznan
3 жыл бұрын
Indurain is claimed to be clean but I doubt he was not using EPO. I have used him as an example of "supposedly" clean athlete as his Wattage was similar to Lance at age 22. When it comes to Lance I am almost sure he was not using EPO although he might benefit from other (less powerful) drugs (testosterone, clenbuterol) etc. In the beginning of 90's he had sudden problems holding up with peloton in Europe like other US cyclists: Jonathon Vaughters or Bobby Julich. They were simply not up-to date with EPO... yet.
@dominikk7237
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoadBikersPoznan Lance already admitted he was on juice before epo. Indurain and his 500 Watts for 30 min doesn't look "clean" :). Lemond who was "supposedly" clean beat the best dopers according to Johan Bruynell interview - this sucess story doesn't add up.
@RoadBikersPoznan
3 жыл бұрын
@@dominikk7237 Allright but we have to distinguish "juice" from EPO. Most of pro cyclists were on "something" starting from 60's. I can imagine Lance was trying different drugs or even had access to EPO before 1995 but it was not orchestrated and managed. His relationship with Ferrari aligned his chances with other dopers or even created some "edge" over the rest. When it comes to Lemond you can see sudden fall of his shape in 90's. It is unusual for 3 time TDF winner. I belive he was not EPOed yet.
@dominikk7237
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoadBikersPoznan I was out of your topic. Other drugs vs EPO, two diferent stories, for sure.
@rockhopper01
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoadBikersPoznan Lance did a recent interview on Dr. Peter Attia’s podcast and provided the most detailed testimony he’s ever given. Prior to the cancer it was primarily Cortisone. Post-cancer it was EPO (actually started toying with EPO in 1995), but never during the Tour itself. During the Tours he only used blood transfusions. He claimed he never used testosterone extensively. He also noted his 30 minute 500 watt effort would be 450 without the EPO. The interview, all 2.5 hours of it, is here on KZitem.
@paulhurdlow3490
Жыл бұрын
Your videos are thoughtful and interesting. Thanks for making them.
@patrickpfrimmer602
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone since Greg LeMond has been on something!
@frankgallagher5786
7 ай бұрын
Agree. Don't forget his swim and running. Coulda shoulda won Kona in 2014!
@stephtraveler7378
2 жыл бұрын
Post-PEDs, he embarrassed and destroyed the professional triathlon field.... so much so, they banned him. Not for current violations, but for past violations. He was clean racing Ironman. All the peeps in your video have been PED users....I know age group athletes using PEDs. Its very very common.
@nighttrain1236
2 жыл бұрын
I suspect the doping control in Ironman are about as good as crossfit :D
@MaxxerG
3 ай бұрын
Lance base hematocrit was 21% and with EPO increased it to 47-48% because you get DQ if above 50%. He had a phenomenal answer to PED compared to someone who has a base if 40% like me and can only increase performance by 7
@MaxxerG
3 ай бұрын
7 or 8%. Lance was the perfect candidate for PEDs as explained in The Secret Race book
@LETOUR7TIMESFRANCE
2 жыл бұрын
Why a still of Willie Nelson at the end? But ironically Willie and LA are friends and both heal from the great state of Texas. And Willie Nelson was smoking dope not injecting EPO 🚵🏼🎸😂
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know they were friends. Anyway this still was just for fun :-)
@stevennorth6484
2 жыл бұрын
He always was an incredible athlete, EPO was a definite game changer, but, he was also blessed with incredible luck, he could have lost due to punctures, mechanical problems, even when crashes involved him or happened near him they didn't have too much of an effect on his ability to continue. Great athlete, but what a nasty person.
@Crooked_Clown
4 ай бұрын
Lance was really good. Considering that everyone that competed against him were doping as well.
@JHSutherland1
2 жыл бұрын
EPO does not give someone desire, drive and tactics. I had the privilege to see Lance race in post Tour Criterium in Holland after his 1999 Tour Victory and he won that race. Most tour riders take a few laps and collect their appearance money after the Tour - he still had the drive to win. I also had the privilege of seeing him win his 5th Tour in Paris in 2003. Many forget he entered that tour in not the best of shape and struggled and then he was thrown from his bike by the musette incident on Luz Ardiden - only to re-mount and power up the mountain to victory. EPO does not give someone that desire.
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
Each team administered EPO doping back then. There were few individuals who refused to "load cannons" (like Christopher Bassons). Anyway EPO boosted whole peloton and the average speed increased but if you wanted to compete for the podium you needed to bring much more to the table than this drug.
@key2thesucces
Жыл бұрын
I think its same today bcs these speeds today are crazy. but not at that amount of doping
@dalehoekstra5945
2 жыл бұрын
Hands down Lance wins without drugs just as he did with. He is that good.
@paulrush4545
2 жыл бұрын
Lance did a great job ! He is a champion. Great pod cast also. I think lance is happy to grow old chill considering cancer he survived. He really seems like a nice dude. Genuine and should be respected.
@craighermle7727
2 жыл бұрын
Tyler Hamilton's book about the era, "The Hidden Race" was an incredible read.
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Excellent written story. Tyler definitely broke the "omerta". Like many others he did it after finishing career as pro rider...
@craighermle7727
2 жыл бұрын
@@RoadBikersPoznan Ummm, yeah after Hamilton and the test of Postal was subpoenaed, he told the truth. I followed cycling pretty closely in that era, and when I read Hamilton's book it really put things in perspective. There was speculation about, at more advanced doping for years. Put aside Festina which was almost reported as one-off event Lemond was the guy that really came down hard on Armstong. Armstong in return destroyed his company. I really think if Armstong wasn't actively destroying those that were telling the truth, he would have walked away from the sport with slap on the wrist like the dopers in baseball that were hitting 60=65 home runs a year, that would "neither confirm or deny" the actualization when testifying. There's too much money involve no one can afford to tell the truth. It's almost like saying 350-pound football players is just a product of hard work
@markbph2336
Жыл бұрын
seriously....... which cyclists were NOT on drugs in the lance amstrong era.....?
@robinvandenberg25
2 жыл бұрын
Lance is still the youngest world champion ever. I have seen many great riders watching cycling through the years and still consider him the best tour the France rider I have ever seen.
@davidharden7575
Жыл бұрын
even his 09 return showed how great he was. Yes he only got 3rd but we saw in the Mountains that he had lost 2 or 3 extra gears that he needed in order to beat Alberto Contador but he was still a great rider and the smartest.
@kingalleles
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the threats to ruin others families and lives at all costs…
@miroslavivanovitch384
2 жыл бұрын
I was a full time triathlete when L.A. started winning triathlons in the late 80s, therefore I followed him from the beginning and throughout the years 1) Talented, yes, no doubt. He also could have been one of the best in the world in triathlon, although limited in running compared to the best 2) One day racer amongst the best, for sure. he proved it in his early years, although there should also be an asterisk in front of his one day perfs (see 3)) 3) L.A. story has fluctuated along the years, to say the least When he was caught he started to say that he came back from cancer and get into doping with Ferrari. Ok, not very credible, but ok A few years later, understanding he would never come back in sport, he spilled the beans and told the story about the gewiss guys ridiculing him in the mid 90s, that moment making him go to heavy doping. More plausible, but still ... In the last couple of years, with the ESPN docu and some (BBC, NBC) long ITW with L.A., when asked when he made the decision to start doping and how it happened, he finally said he first went into doping in 1991 (not a typo, ninety one), and he told the docs "give me everything available" My point is that L.A. was no doubt talented, but we can all guess that he probably went head forst into doping the first time he competed professionally as a triathlete and never stopped Conclusion: his whole career is tainted and we will never know how good he was naturally
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for valid input. Yes he admitted he started to use "something" in 1991. He called it "something" as he was not aware about doping techniques. Even though his team "doctor" could gave him everything what he got it definitely wasn't EPO. We have to separate EPO from let's say ordinary performance enhancing drugs like testosteron, cortisone or clenbuterol. EPO was around in early 90s in Euro teams and their riders were at insane hematocrit levels. No matter what Lance took at that time he was not able to compete toe to toe through all TDF stages with Indurain and other top riders. For this reason Greg Lemond withdrawn in 90s. US Postal and Motorola teams were like "kids in the fog" in comparison to eg. Festina and their labolatory. In early 90s top Euro teams were step ahead of US teams because of EPO. I agree with you we cannot be sure how Lance would perform in idealistic clean sport but we cannot claim he wouldn't be successful. Cycling in 90s was a black hole and apart Festina scandal everything connected with doping is personified by Lance Armstrong.
@miroslavivanovitch384
2 жыл бұрын
@@RoadBikersPoznan The turning point in L.A. career regarding EPO is probably 1994, when the Gewiss riders (under ferrari's supervision) had ridiculed him, and he went to see Ferrari himself to get a proper EPO program (which doesn't mean he wasn't taking EPO before 1994, but rather means he wasn't taking EPO the best way possible, i.e. the Ferrari way) My point is that from 1991 to 1999, L.A.A was doping, from 1994 to 1999; L.A. was taking everything possible and with Ferrari's advice, and that it is only from 1999 at the age of 28, he started to win TDF From my point of view that is not the evidence he was the naturally most gifted rider ever, but rather that when he came back from cancer, he decided to take everything available and with the most efficient doctor available Don't forget the 1 million $ transfers to ferrari to pay for his advice. I have been riding with pros, and I know that only a handful of them would have been able to pay that much money for doping doctor Therefore, not a level playing field
@johnshaft5613
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Armstrong was dirty. He was also a liar and a bully. But every tour winner of that era, starting with Indurain, were just as dirty/doping. We may not like Armstrong, but when he won his competitors lost on a level playing field.
@johnshaft5613
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccalljeff I think you get my point. If it helps, let me say he is "controversial".
@johnshaft5613
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccalljeff I don't think you're naive. Lance has done many great things. I agree with you that they probably outweigh the bad. What is ironic, is that if he had never done some of the bad things he did, he probably never would have been in a position to do the good things. I'm not sure how to evaluate that part. But the really bad things he is guilty of, I don't so much mean the doping, I mean the attempts to bully/harass/intimidate/extort anyone who tried to shine the light of truth on the fact that cycling was dirty (almost certainly still is), were pretty evil. That part is harder to forgive. If he had just doped, won the tour, and remained passive/silent about it while still doing his other great things, it would be a different conversation.
@miroslavivanovitch384
2 жыл бұрын
You have to admit he was the only one who tried to destroy the lives of his critics with enormous financial means and an army of lawyers, like a mob boss Just ask Lemond, Betsy Andreu or David Walsh
@sibchuk
2 жыл бұрын
Starting with Indurain???? You must be kidding buddy, almost all of the tour winners were doped or should I say all of them, probably would be more correct.
@johnshaft5613
2 жыл бұрын
@@sibchuk I have no proof, but I don't think that is necessarily true. EPO only emerged in the early 1990s, and provided such a huge boost in performance that riders who were not taking it had no hope of being competitive. Indurain, overnight, morphed in 1991 from being an also-ran repeatedly beaten by Lemond and others, into an unstoppable machine. I know that well prior to that...there was history of cyclists using stimulants and steroids to boost their performance. But these substances provided only a modest boost in performance, and were easily detected by doping controls, so it is highly questionable how extensively they were used by tour winners. Again, I have no proof, but I would wager that Lemond and Hinault raced clean. I admit though, I might be naive about that.
@brandonbreitkreuz1549
2 жыл бұрын
he raced in 4 tours prior to working with ferrari… he finished 1 of those entrees.
@TBradFashionModel
Жыл бұрын
Go Lance...
@nelsonflores4469
2 жыл бұрын
The cycling of the world. Period.
@grahames9228
2 жыл бұрын
Lance, greatest ever.
@tudorm6838
2 жыл бұрын
PEDs are used by most professional athletes. Performance advance with the advance in PEDs. Some of them have better PEDs than others.
@MONYN76ISLAS
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent runner, lancé Armstrong, he is a living legend... nobody like him... the years will pass and there will be no one who achieved those 7 Tour wins by this athlete... oh, we continue 👍
@vincentchastel2025
2 жыл бұрын
Miguel Indurain clean in 1995 ?? In what world ?
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
It was said "supposedly" clean which is obviously sarcastic claim ;-) Indurain was the luckiest rider of all the time as his successes came during no restrictions against hematocrit level.
@sitbone3
2 жыл бұрын
He never failed a drug test……….but…………
@iancrichton
Жыл бұрын
Its just the same as it was years ago, only now people have better doctors with better drugs.
@JEFFPassmore
Жыл бұрын
Lance was and is the KING of the tour. They all were on the dope and continue to dope to this day. Lance was the best. Little hard for the Euro's to swallow, but show me reason why I am wrong? You cannot and will not.
@jedisdad2265
5 ай бұрын
Nearly the entire peloton was doing right along with Lance Armstrong. His being stripped of titles is the height of hypocrisy.
@drvonnostrum2671
2 жыл бұрын
He was far and away the best stage race rider of his generation. That's as far as I'd go.
@billalexander8011
Жыл бұрын
Doping destroyed cycling. The global sponsors disappeared. Hopefully the testing regimen makes it clean and brings back some credibility.
@paulsolon6229
Жыл бұрын
A big reason Lance got caught is b c he was only a B+ athlete: 78 vo2 max, 92 Lemond, 90 vaughters, 90 Landis. Lemond knew Armstrong’s vo2 facts. So Lemond stayed on the doping case, nearly alone, ostracized. W o knowing that number (from a public speech by Armstrong’s dr) and w o d Walsh, Armstrong wd have gotten away w routine doping. Doping affects individuals differently. Riders are different. Doping affected Armstrong tremendously
@m-lotek1696
2 жыл бұрын
I would really like to think that Indurain was clean, but we have a performance enhancing drug used by allmost all competitors and undetectable but you're still not using.. hard to beleive, unfortunatelly.
@dandeshane5991
Жыл бұрын
Couldnt understand the narrator
@RoadBikersPoznan
Жыл бұрын
Me too. It was a bit shitty to be honest
@markosajn5776
2 жыл бұрын
I think every cyclists is a baby compared to Mercx if we talk about doping! 😂😂
@squatchy69
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone with half a brain would say that Lance wasn't the best during that time he competed. All of the guys he competed with have said he was the best. And as we have seen. You couldn't even find anyone 10 rows deep to give his awards to. Merck's was better. Lemond was not. And I have to think Mercks was using some type of gear
@paulgorman1578
2 жыл бұрын
You could have spelled the Merckx correctly,
@lkb3rd
2 жыл бұрын
Lance was and is easy to scapegoat, due to his poor personal behavior at the time.
@tonystone3397
2 жыл бұрын
LMBO, he wasnt a scapegoat, he was a cheat.
@davidmacdonald1283
5 ай бұрын
There's no one better to watch on a bike then Lance at his best.
@Sa-nd8kl
2 ай бұрын
Pogatjar en zonder doping
@michaeldellorso889
15 күн бұрын
@@Sa-nd8klwhy do you think he isn’t doping?
@Sa-nd8kl
15 күн бұрын
@@davidmacdonald1283 daarom moest hij de zeven tour zeges afgeven omdat hij de beste was ,ja in zware bloeddoping nemen en mensen te pesten was hij de beste als renner was hij zonder doping matig .kon ook geweldig Liegen
@Sa-nd8kl
15 күн бұрын
@@davidmacdonald1283 en de beste is pogatjar zonder doping en ook klassiekers winnen
@buzzman4860
2 жыл бұрын
7 years without crashing out is a feat in itself. He was that good
@thecrankster4162
2 жыл бұрын
@@scooter2163 90 percent were cheating,,, you wanna know what is called is called envy he was making too much money....
@tonystone3397
2 жыл бұрын
lmbo
@neilparry14
2 жыл бұрын
To say 90 percent were cheating and use it as justification doesn’t wash. Unless the intention is to see who’s body responds to drugs the best, rather than who’s the best cyclist. Last time I looked, it was a cycling competition.
@samelgore7575
2 жыл бұрын
Doping gives you an extra gear that helps you to avoid trouble and crashes...In his final act he crashed so many times just like everyone else.
@sanjonny2
2 жыл бұрын
Nuts. Just nuts. Yeah doping makes your bike levitate and the odds go crazy. The sad thing is people don't get most of this at this level is mental. You don't win 2 yours without extreme mental discipline. Luck comes to those who practice and eliminate luck
@tuco5739
2 жыл бұрын
The trend started in Europe both doping and looking for scapegoats to blame. The fact is you cannot take a pig, inject EPO and watch it beat everyone, it is still a pig. The illusion of many uninformed and they are out there by the millions, is that you can take any normal cyclist, MTB guy or a casual runner, treat them with EPO and they will beat anyone. The fact is Lance was not only a phenomenal athlete but also a great tactician with one hell of a team, USPS. Like it or not, he was one of the best during his career.
@shandytorok259
2 жыл бұрын
I cannot agree more, bro, you're to the point!!!!
@tonystone3397
2 жыл бұрын
He was a cheat, couldn't win anything without the drugs.
@michaelakin9193
2 жыл бұрын
@@tonystone3397 That's ridiculous! He was a cheat, so was everyone else! So the playing field was basically level! Using basic logic if all riders were clean the playing field would be basically level, same outcome!
@shandytorok259
2 жыл бұрын
@@tonystone3397 But somehow, you didn't even make it to the start line....even with drugs, not to mention winning a stage, let alone a Tour, let alone 7 Tours, you just haven't got a fu*king clue, have you?
@dudeonbike800
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of pros have been quoted as saying, "We used to drop that guy like a rock all day long, every day. Then one day he's dropping US!" Pretend doping is minor all you want. It isn't. Once people graduate from top amateur to promising pro, they've already proven they're talented. These are the best looking for an edge. Pigs? Yeah, right. Give EPO to a keyboard warrior like you, and I'd still drop your ass clean! Ha, ha, ha! J/K
@apoc341
Жыл бұрын
Lance was my cycling hero. I supported him through all the allegations and was devastated when it was confirmed. Never felt the same about professional cycling since.
@ВоваИванов-г5с
Жыл бұрын
Ну если вам стрёмно принимать допинг даже легкий. Когда в гонке потемнеет в глазах меня плохим словом не вспоминайте
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
Жыл бұрын
I don't get too personally invested in any rider. I'm just watching for the spectacle. That way I don't get disappointed when they're caught or confess.🤷
@CC-xu2yz
Жыл бұрын
@@ChuckWind-Saw And sued and slandered anyone who questioned him.
@spikeontheroad2560
Жыл бұрын
@@ChuckWind-Saw.. well, they didn't award any of his Tour de France's to anyone else because all the cyclists of that era were doping.
@JohnKickboxing
9 ай бұрын
Hey... anyone here knows the reason Tour de France has banned him so far?
@LETOUR7TIMESFRANCE
2 жыл бұрын
They ALL did what they needed to do..Its not all on lance...its a fact. All the blame just on lance was created by the UCI and WADA.
@tonystone3397
2 жыл бұрын
Rubbish.
@walterswain8076
2 жыл бұрын
And don't forget Greg lamon he hated land so much and I don't know if it was probably because Lance was going to end up being more famous than him but I will say regular mom did have some good ideas probably the best idea he had was handlebars that everybody use this whenever they're doing time trials where you basically lay down on the on the frame and your your arms and hands are out in front of the handlebars anyway thank you
@samelgore7575
2 жыл бұрын
You are saying he was the best among the cheaters...but the video is saying his body responded best to doping, is other words, he was the best cheater out there.
@sweatnosweat
2 жыл бұрын
there was no need to cheat
@LETOUR7TIMESFRANCE
2 жыл бұрын
@@sweatnosweat 🤤🤤
@sanastela
2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I didn't like about that era of cycling was the top riders ridding few races per year. For example Lance rode Tour and maybe Dauphine Libere beforehand. Take Roglič and Pogačar nowdays, they ride many weekly races and also one day races, including monuments.
@JMcLeodKC711
2 жыл бұрын
I could not agree with you more. The top riders would "hide" and go to their training camps. Greg LeMond, Hinault, Indurain would race themselves into shape
@abone2pick
2 жыл бұрын
Lance did around 40 races before the tour every year. He rode Amstel gold a couple times. Got second twice. Raced Olympics in both road and time trial category. Jan Ulrich did around 80 races leading to the tour. People like you are the reason why riders feel the need to dope. Because you think people need to destroy their bodies all year long for your entertainment.
@DaveCM
2 жыл бұрын
From my recollection, Greg Lemond was kind of the first to focus on the Tour. He raced limited races and used races leading up to the Tour as training to get ready. It has sort of been the trend since.
@TheGotoGeek
2 жыл бұрын
Fewer races, fewer tests.
@darrellcriswell9919
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheGotoGeek Also there is also the real chance of an injury producing accident which is quite common.
@SouthernRotors
10 ай бұрын
He was very good, great even. In his era every top guy was using some drug or blood doping for recovery. The fact that he didn't crash out of his seven Tours showed how good of a bike handler he was, he had some close scrapes but in his era he was the best period.
@tonyb9735
2 ай бұрын
Sure, every top guy was doping, but what about those guys who were not "top guys" BECAUSE they were not doping, but might have been if the field was clean? Even they will never know how good they might have been. So, no, it was not a level playing field.
@robertdimeski4173
11 ай бұрын
At the end of the day they were all using EPO, so the playing field was equal. He was an exceptional cyclist, also to be able to recover from adversity and still be at the top of his game is remarkable. We will never see any one as good as Lance was!
@g_y.rtz420
8 ай бұрын
What a joke lmao he literally has used ebikes
@le0nz
7 ай бұрын
It was not he had the best doping program, despite he also used ebikes
@johnkiernan4586
2 ай бұрын
Ref indurain time trial passes armstrong as if he is stationary
@davidg.romerojr.7915
2 ай бұрын
@@le0nzWow. Where is the info on the e-bike usage, I'd like to learn about that as well.
@xavier2995
Ай бұрын
@@davidg.romerojr.7915there is info but it all BS speculation.. Lance sure as hell doped, but the “e-bike” accusations are simply BS conspiracy theory’s made in an attempt to discredit he’s talent. Do any ounce of research on this topic and you will find out it has about as much evidence as the earth being flat.
@richardkrivik7032
2 жыл бұрын
THEY ALL did it……..BUT Still, HE WAS THE BEST……….So what Now..?!
@kenmitchell1195
2 жыл бұрын
You ask and attempt to answer a relevant question: How good was he? Damn good, probably physically and mentally the toughest since Eddy Merckx. While I can't condone doping just because everyone did it (apply that to cheating on taxes etc.) I can understand it. Where Armstrong lost me was how he treated those that opposed him and called out his lies. A great athlete and cyclist? No doubt. A great person? No way!
@GeekonaBike
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, way too "Texan"
@becker517
2 жыл бұрын
Ditto, but not uncommon for athletes to have a code of silence or denial. Not the first and won't be the last.
@NEILSERENE
2 жыл бұрын
Do your research...he would not have won a single tdf
@savanahmclary4465
2 жыл бұрын
In the early years, when Lance Armstrong rode, he was respectful and congenial to all the riders. Especially to the younger riders. But in later years... the attitude of Alberto Contdor..and disposition... toward Lance Armstrong, it was understood why Lance Armstrong acted the way he did. Contador did not want to be a team player
@andrewstott6534
2 жыл бұрын
Physically he wasn't the best, Ulrich was the most talented cyclist, mentally he was the toughest but he was also a sociopath. He also had the best team. See Sky/Ineos.
@melissaflick9041
2 жыл бұрын
Lance Armstrong is the greater doper ever. I don’t mean that as a slam . They all doped and Lance beat them all. Along with Michelli and Brunyeel; the three were unstoppable. He’s a tactical genius; no wonder they called him, “The General.” Mentally and socially, he’s like MJ or Tiger. I’m glad we’re not friends but they’re sure fun to watch!
@thecrankster4162
2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%, and i have talked about this with numerous cyclist. Lance doped, and won, but everybody else was doing it also... He is the greatest cyclist ever...
@jaydee8553
2 жыл бұрын
He is certainly not the greatest doper ever. Russian and east germans athletes were far ahead of him in the 80's . Tactical genius? Don't know about it. I guess it's easier to be a tactical genius when the whole team is doped. This being said he was a gifted athlete who did not believe in his own physical ability. I think without the dope, he still could have won 3 tours de France.
@swampula
2 жыл бұрын
They all dopped.... in ALL Sports!
@jeffjoseph3699
2 жыл бұрын
@RaJu ViMa Ever hear of Miguel Indurain ----en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Indur%C3%A1in-- weight's not everything --- specific shape--BMI, power/kg for hills, and straight power for breakaways, sprints, and time trials are way more important. Also -- all you bozos look at 3 week tours as if these guys ride by themselves. They don'.t. If they win, it's highly because they have a team ride correctly for them. the time where a TDF winner is riding by themselves is usually less than 2 1/2 hours total (and 1 hour of that is a time trial) --- out of a tour lasting 90 hours. Remember though -- the entire Top 10 in a TDF -- will finish within 10 to 20 minutes of first place. So little differences --- in team and individual performance are key. In that time period -- you doped -- or you didn't have a job on any team. There are guys interviewed in documentaries about that period -- who got to 'go home' and never rode professionally again.
@tonystone3397
2 жыл бұрын
Utter bulshyte.
@castrodadr
2 жыл бұрын
He just revolutionzed the entire sport, from training, tecnology, technique to nutrition. His time trail and climbing techniques were flawless. Many who came after are still using his methods today.
@100flite
2 жыл бұрын
Loads of bullshit. Just take a look back at Lance Armstrong pre 1999. Before those magical potion by Michell Ferrari he was just an ordinary rider. At most a mid field level on Tours level and he cannot even climb! On records he is a one-day race rider and that's about it. After his "collaboration" with the witch doctor he instantaneously changed his genes and became a climber overnight LMAO. Go watch some Disney movies if you need fictional motivation.
@terrenced.1586
2 жыл бұрын
@@100flite That’s complete bullshit. Lance is one of the greatest cyclists of all time, so stfu.
@pmitchell6819
2 жыл бұрын
He was a fraud and pathological liar. He viciously went after the women who called him out much more than the men. Even when he spoke with Oprah finally acknowledging his cheating…he still couldn’t apologize to Betsy .
@badcornflakes6374
2 жыл бұрын
@@100flite instantly changed his genes? Wtf
@petyrkowalski9887
2 жыл бұрын
Rubbish. Lots of cyclists had sophisticated training and Greg Lemond pioneered the current aero position and tri bars that shaped the future of TT.
@michaelsnell9874
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent piece. The world will never really know who was using what and for how long. That goes for Lance Armstrong but also for his competition. He just happened to become better than them all while using it. Just an opinion. If you can’t guarantee s as lol riders are clean, then let them all use what they want to achieve their optimal level of performance.
@livingbeing1113
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@GeekonaBike
2 жыл бұрын
If doppinng DQed lance from those tour wins, please name me the 'clean' rider that did win?
@jonathanhamel
2 жыл бұрын
None
@pagejustin5572
2 жыл бұрын
From that era.... Of say 30 podium finishers over a 10 year period.... Maybe 2-3 would have been clean.... Out of the top 30.... It was tacitly accepted by teams and managers.... Just don't get caught was the only rule
@alvinnieves590
2 жыл бұрын
Officially from 1999 to 2005 no one won TdF.
@lukemanion2
2 жыл бұрын
@@pagejustin5572 I think the only person in the top 10 in all those years that hasnt been caught or heavily implicated was cadel evans in 2005 and he finished in i think 8th
@pagejustin5572
2 жыл бұрын
@@lukemanion2 Carlos sastre (Mr. Bread & Water) he won it in 08.... And had to secretly attack his own teammates in the Schleck brothers in order to pull it off.... Cadel was a class act though, no doubt
@WitnessChosen
2 жыл бұрын
If i was drugged(doped) up, i probably wouldn’t even be able to sit on a bike straight 😂
@TheJaxsonjack
2 жыл бұрын
People who don't watch professional cycling but know the (near) household name say Lance is a "cheat" and that he "ruined" peoples' lives!". I reply with the Phil Liggett quote: "You can't turn a donkey into a race horse" ... ... and they still don't get it.
@SirPeter6464
2 жыл бұрын
You can turn a good horse in to a better one though. And Liggett was a friend of Armstrongs and took his hospitality. Clowns stick together.
@TheJaxsonjack
2 жыл бұрын
@@SirPeter6464 Clown(s) or not, Lance was handing to grown men in Triathlons before he even got his drivers' license. Drugs brought him up to speed with the already-doping Europeans. Lances' physiology was already there ... He had the goods. No question he was World Class to begin with.
@SirPeter6464
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheJaxsonjack Seems strange that Armstrong was hardly mentioned in the cycle press when coming up. Most of the great talents have a big junior career. The sport thought he was good for business and that is the start of the problems.
@TheJaxsonjack
2 жыл бұрын
@@SirPeter6464 "was hardly mentioned" .. So what?
@johnlewsey4458
2 жыл бұрын
He won severn times, Thats it
@davidgeissler8620
2 жыл бұрын
That's right enough said bro
@paulherrera9960
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more 👍🏻
@steveroufas1938
2 жыл бұрын
he won 7 times thanks to cheating better than the rest did, hello
@johnlewsey4458
2 жыл бұрын
@@steveroufas1938 yep
@brianluck84
2 жыл бұрын
If everyone is doping then the playing field is level again. So yes he was that good
@karlosfandango6637
2 жыл бұрын
He was potentially a better triathlete than just a cyclist. He was up with the best as a 17yo before he turned to cycling.
@jbratt
Жыл бұрын
He was only the third best runner in his high school. I know the top two.
@alaefarmestatesllc
Жыл бұрын
@@jbratthe never said lance was the best runner ?
@markcynic808
Жыл бұрын
He was mediocre athlete. Outstanding at nothing but doping.
@alaefarmestatesllc
Жыл бұрын
@@markcynic808 how’s it feel to live life being this delusional and to have to live life always lying to urself and others?
@CC-xu2yz
Жыл бұрын
@@markcynic808 Not true.
@andysautounion1
2 жыл бұрын
I raced in the 90's era and doping thing was common with that fact no tour de France winner from the 50's on.clean cycling is not going on let's not fool are self's.
@dgs6315
Жыл бұрын
First among equals. The rest is hypocrisy
@thomasbyrne7770
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a well done presentation. I just remember a bald, sick man with three incisions in his head, and several lesions in his lungs. Given a 10% chance of survival, and a 0 % chance of bike racing ... Armstrong did whatever it took to make himself into a machine designed to do one thing... win the Tour. Did he do so with help from EPO ... whatever it takes to win, that was his life's focus. 8 hours a day on the bike, more training and working on bike design... to win. Tom Byrne ( I was very close to death my self at the same time so I am prejudiced.)
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
His doctor Scott Shapiro claimed his chances to survive were around 5%. He told him the true after LA fully recovered and got back on the bike. While he was fighting with cancer his team (Coffidis) left him. He was hit hard but rebuilt himself and came back to the sport. First of all his success was based on dedication and perfect training regime. Also LA had elite partners in US Postal who helped him. Competition was close and most of them had access to similar set of PEDs - rest was up to the training routine.
@thomasbyrne7770
2 жыл бұрын
LA's large framed poster still is hanging in my office today. Tom Byrne. Thanks for the reply!@@RoadBikersPoznan
@MichaelMerva
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasbyrne7770 I bought Lance's first 2 books, and later burned them. The more I learned about him, the less I liked him, as a person or as a pro athlete.
@robbyparks6395
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly through his own selfishness, he ruined his career forever
@shandytorok259
2 жыл бұрын
Ohhh, so you forget about his wife and 5 kids, how selfish......he has another career, he does podcasts, and sometimes tri races, he is great and always will be, it's easy to target someone, who stands in the spotlight. You Robby will never get there, so you will be just forgotten in the fog of oblivion......
@allenmorganti2370
2 жыл бұрын
@@shandytorok259 Robby is absoultely correct. If Lance stayed retired, he would have gone the way of Riis and Pantani. His ego brought him down.
@shandytorok259
2 жыл бұрын
@@allenmorganti2370 First of he is not down, secondly he is way bigger than Riis and Pantani combined, Riis and Pantani never won 7 Tours.......a top athlete has to have an ego to be the best!
@shandytorok259
2 жыл бұрын
@@allenmorganti2370 Well, I guess you haven't watched enough Lance interviews and podcasts, Lance said himself he better comes forward with this, than later on his children know these from other twisted sources......etc.....
@NEILSERENE
2 жыл бұрын
Lance cheated as did 90% of the guys in his era but his natural haematocrit ratio was a low level for a pro cyclist, ranging from 38 -41 hence he was a high responder - this is well documented ie he goes from 38-50 a huge percentage increase whereas some riders are close to 50. It is simply impossible to wade through the shite and try and normalise it all.
@tonystone3397
2 жыл бұрын
Rubbish
@STUDIO388_
2 жыл бұрын
thanks on your input and i ll go with the same answer as people here who understand the accomplishement behind this...HE FOKIN WON 7 TIMES !!
@terrancegrant1664
3 жыл бұрын
500w for 30min!
@RoadBikersPoznan
3 жыл бұрын
I can ride 500W for one minute ;-)
@leeharding8306
2 жыл бұрын
If everyone was clean including Lance of course I think he would have won more races. He was a born natural athlete and bike rider but he ended up in a dope or lose situation like the others. It wasn’t his fault but his behaviour was his fault. He treated people like disposable assets although he realises now he made mistakes and is changing his ways. His thick skinned arrogant attitude has saved his life. The media painted a picture of Lance pretty much inventing doping and being the only person to do it. Most people would have gone mentally ill or worse under such pressure. He’s in a good place now and doing good things.
@JeffreyThistle
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I believe he would of still been successful but not as consistent. Seemed to be a hyper responder to EPO which is a real thing these drugs can be more effective in curtain ppl.
@giovannebeistline2575
2 жыл бұрын
Would have
@slumdogpreacher6964
2 жыл бұрын
To professionals, winning pays the bills; it revolves around money. When money becomes your prime directive; anything goes! Who was it who said "The love of money is the root of all evil..?"
@melissaflick9041
2 жыл бұрын
That’s in the Bible, and it reads, “the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.”
@slumdogpreacher6964
2 жыл бұрын
@@plantbasedanalyst6263 Isn't that like saying; "THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT?" So many poor people still refrain from stealing and cheating in this way; so poverty does not affact all poor in this way. Shalom
@slumdogpreacher6964
Жыл бұрын
The real reason, Biblically, why we are all susceptible to temptations to lie, steal, hate, lust and murder; is because the Human Race inherited a broken relationship with God, because of The First and Original Adam. Through Christ, "The Second Adam" Humans can be redeemed by a work of God; all justified in God's sight because the WILLING SACRIFICE of "God the Son" as full payment for our Sin Debt. After all; he man who hung on that center cross that day is slated to JUDGE, THE LIVING AND THE DEAD! Redeemed people are being changed internally by God's gift of His Spirit. I know this all must sound crazy to many; but it's what the Bible teaches from Genesis to Revelation. I've personally experienced the Life Changing Power of God in my life for close to fifty years now. It's all about THE RENEWED RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD!--SLU
@cwalton56
Жыл бұрын
The cycling doping scandal has tempered my view of the sport and of the cyclists involved. But I do admire somewhat Lance's ability to avoid Tour-ending crashes and sickness during the races he competed in.
@englishteacherdon
3 жыл бұрын
You actually need to study VAM records through the years to know when they were rolling the fastest. The 90's was the fastest according to the data. Before EPO in the 1980's the racing was much more exciting because even Hinault could crack on any given mountain. Racing was unpredictable. When Michele Ferrari started creating mutants, it completely altered the dynamics of the sport.
@RoadBikersPoznan
3 жыл бұрын
This is interesting. In general cycling was much more exciting when riders weren't using srms (power meters). I hardly remember 80s as I was born in 1980. I am biased to 90's so forgive me :-) Yes EPO malformed results but still training and dedication was essential factor. Lance Armstrong had some edge over the rest "mutants" as he was focusing just on TDF while other teams were riding many races each year. From this point he was smarter.
@englishteacherdon
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoadBikersPoznan I think if you do the research, you will find at one point Lance contracted out Michele Ferrari to work exclusively with him and his Postal teammates, so Lance's doping program was always ahead of the competition. If you want to get real serious about how it worked you need to read David Walsh's book. He documents it well what was going on. However, when Lance was working with Michelle Ferrari it was not a level playing field. Dr. Ferrari is by far the best in the world at this.
@justpalms9978
3 жыл бұрын
Radios between riders and team cars ruined it as well.
@RoadBikersPoznan
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasper12785 Merckx known Dr Ferrari and introduced him to Lance. Ferrari was too young to have any impact on Merckx performance but there were other specialists around like profesor Conconi with whom Ferrari cooperated later. It is enough to be sceptical regarding "clean" cycling in pre-EPO era.
@indonesiaamerica7050
3 жыл бұрын
Tarmac, tires and wheels all changed during that time. And Ferrari was a student of Professor Conconi. The first professional example was Francesco Moser. The first amateurs known to cheat were Olympic athletes. There are lots of reasons that leaders cracked more back in the day. In the "sports science" age the teams know more what each support rider is capable of and they plan for contingencies. If a rider "cracks" today you might catch it on camera and you might not. But the biggest difference today in the teams is how talented the support riders are. If you look at World Hour Record results (IOW, top riders going for a standardized contests) the increased speeds can be accounted for mostly by changes in equipment.
@robbo3132
2 жыл бұрын
Great photos! The new gen cyclists are faster (ventoux etc) but that could be tactical. You have a good point in that his mental strength and personality was exceptional to perform that great under the pressure of reporters and haters and french fans. Modern riders, except froome didn't have to deal with so many people trying to take them down
@RoadBikersPoznan
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Today's athletes, (not only cyclists) are taught how to behave and what to say at press conferences etc. They get lot of care from teams/organizations. Their exposition to the media is (in some way) controlled. It was different in the 80s and 90s. Also I presume they have less freedom when it comes to "secret" colaboration with external dope specialists. Instead the process may be organized by the teams internally. Assuming these "youngsters" work in much comfortable environment without stress.
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