Finally a detailed video on running analog console with daw. THANK YOU for taking the time to put this together for us. Majority of KZitemrs that do this just name gear but won’t show us wth the routing diagram looks like smh. Subbing 💯
@SocialClubSound
29 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! And thank you for the feedback. When I'm planning videos out I try to think of how I'd like to see it and I'd definitely want to see how it goes out and back in. Thanks for the comment!
@diegooliveirabenjamin
Ай бұрын
Didn’t even watch the whole thing but I already know this video is gonna be invaluable for me. Thank you VERY much!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! If you have any questions just ask
@tytansoundlab
Ай бұрын
Been thinking about the Sigma myself. I am currently using the Neve Orbit. It sounds amazing. This is my 5th summing amp and I really like it a lot.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Neve is no slouch at all. That's the only other summing I really really like besides SSL.
@kevinbatchelor9566
17 күн бұрын
This is probably the most well integrated hybrid setup I've seen. Well done! Mine isn't as streamlined. Working with a more classic patch bay into the 32x32 Symphony to interface with my outboard hardware and 5088 console. I am mostly producing and mixing my own work so I don't need as efficiency but I really respect the way you've curated your setup.
@SocialClubSound
16 күн бұрын
Thank you! I tried to plan it out best I could along the way. Hey if you ever want to trade that 5088 for my Sigma let me know 😋😁
@seanabbottband
27 күн бұрын
I agree, I am an engineer for many years worked in studios all over North America, finally built my own hybrid studio I have a D&R Merlin Console, which is analog and a digital master section, so I can seamlessly move from DAW to the console. I’m never going back, I enjoy the process of mixing on a console and it always seems to have a depth you can’t get in the box.
@SocialClubSound
27 күн бұрын
Isn't it a great feeling? I love having found the system that works for me and hybrid totally was the right solution for me. Utilize the best of both worlds!
@seanabbottband
27 күн бұрын
@@SocialClubSound I hear you, Cheers!
@melissabell585
Ай бұрын
I run a similar setup with two WesAudio ngLevelers and a CAPI SumBus32 that I LOVE the sound of (transformers and discrete op amps for days). One great advantage of a setup like this that might be less obvious to folks is that it's not just useful at mix time - if your patchbay setup allows for it, you've also now got an ultra-compact analog fader surface at your disposal when tracking as well, with four mono or two stereo mix busses. Great for blending guitar mics, riding a vocal, etc.
@gameportfolio292
Ай бұрын
This has helped me understand fully the process of hybrid mixing! Thank you for this video!!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped
@anniee_music
Ай бұрын
Another great video!!! 👏👏👏
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thanks! And thanks again for lending your vocals! 🙏🏼
@grahamwaller
Ай бұрын
Great stuff, man. I know what you mean about upgrades. My least sexy upgrade has just happened. Switching over to TT bays and doing a full studio rewire. It's long overdue. I've been very tempted by summing for a while. Having that in my mix room instead of going to an analogue room would be ace. Thanks for the insight, Von. Really appreciate it
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad to have helped in any way. The Sigma is a really good option and isn't just another dumb summing box with no controls. Being about to really decide how hard you push things is clutch. Thanks for watching and for the comment! Make sure you enter for the speaker giveaway!
@grahamwaller
Ай бұрын
@SocialClubSound for sure, man! The sigma looks ideal. An orion 32 has been on my wish list for a while, and your approach with the recall and flow using that and the sigma is really genius. For sure, I'll enter the giveaway too!
@doodoogtube
Ай бұрын
Me Likey.🤓👍🏾👍🏾 I have all the SSL stuff except for the Sigma. I thought about getting the sigma but when I found out it was discontinued I assumed they were working on a newer version so I’ve been waiting to check that out. I’ve been on the fence with summing boxes for damn near 20 years and never pulled the trigger. I started setting my sites on the Sigma, but like I said, it got discontinued. What really interest me was using it with the Dangerous Convert -AD+… now that might be a deadly combination.🧐
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I considered a 2 bus+ but I'd honestly never trade my sigma for that. I love dangerous, I use the convert -AD+ but I don't think the 2 bus sounds nearly as good and big and wide as the Sigma. Just my two cents!
@doodoogtube
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound Yes-yes your right, that’s what meant… I thought you were using the converters inside the Dangerous 2bus. I didn’t realize they were separate units. Thanks for clearing that up.🫡
@douggroulx1525
Ай бұрын
Pretty clever Von!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jcpuga
Ай бұрын
I watched a similar video a year ago and I was so confused. But you explained it very well
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Glad to hear it was easier to digest. Thanks for letting me know! 🙏🏼
@organikarts
Ай бұрын
I Love going hybrid!
@larswillsen
Ай бұрын
Well, that was interesting .. a lot :)
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thanks for stopping by
@johnnyrenfield
Ай бұрын
Great video and really love this setup approach 🤘💀🍻🔥
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@errmable
Ай бұрын
Getting flashbacks from back in the day using the Sigma and Orion 32+.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
They pair up nicely!
@derdude8201
Ай бұрын
Thx! Good information!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@CZARINAOFFICIAL
Ай бұрын
Trade secrets 👀👀👀
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
A look behind the curtain
@grahamwaller
Ай бұрын
Cool shirt, too 😘
@charlychalton7743
21 күн бұрын
that's was the best and most detailed Sigma video😊, I got one question can you use sends? with Sigma
@SocialClubSound
21 күн бұрын
You can use sends for both Mix A and Mix B. As for individual tracks, the brochure recommends adding the outboard gear between the convertor and the Sigma. That way you're automating post effects and not automating into your effects. Hope that helps clarify! Thanks for watching
@charlychalton7743
21 күн бұрын
@@SocialClubSound okay thanks will try that 👌
@surreal_youtube
Ай бұрын
great video…full of wonderful info & inspirational 👍
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much!
@surreal_youtube
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSoundi’m gonna send you an email today with some good news 👍
@surreal_youtube
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSoundwe have too much in common…not just gear, but sonic vision 🤘❤️🤘
@nataliahertzog4995
Ай бұрын
Great video 🤩
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@FiggyFigz
Ай бұрын
Good stuff brotha!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
@Katnipp_
Ай бұрын
Dan Worrall has a really good video on Summing mixers, I would be really interested to see a test where there a mix being summed in the box but only the master buss is routed though the summing mixer Vs the Full mix, and null test test them to see what happens
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I'd be interested in that too. Especially if they do it at different levels. Because I know for sure (thanks to plug-in doctor) that the harder you push it the frequency balance shifts with the hotter you go, the more high frequency info introduced
@AmiTam85
Ай бұрын
even without the prize you worth like & subscribe! Thanks for the great information 🙏
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I appreciate that! Thanks for the both!
@BearDownCats82
Ай бұрын
You should do an in depth video on prices of the equipment
@WOLFGANGLicans
Ай бұрын
Great Video. Salut from Cape Vert
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video
@user-uu9ty3xh2z
29 күн бұрын
Waves Vocal Rider do the volume automation trick for you, record the fader movement then edit the automation to taste
@JohnnysaidWhat
Ай бұрын
push’in it to that sweet spot Ligma 😂
@erickrick3901
Ай бұрын
Bought a pocket operator 4 years ago, look at me pretending like I know what I’m doing now 🙃
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I'm the operator with my pocket calculator 😉
@stupidusername38
19 күн бұрын
I see you're using touch screen monitors. Here's a great workflow tip for you as I use a touch screen too. Dedicate one of those touch screens to the SSL 360 app. Right there you've got direct hands on control of each channel strip. You won't need any of those SSL hardware controllers with the touch screen approach. Give it a try and let me know what you think. SSL 360 link now supports other plugin manufacturers so you can map any vst3 plugin to link
@john4157
Ай бұрын
Great video thanks for putting out your work flow out. Can you talk about the gain staging with your orion hitting the ssl sigma? Is your gain stage -18db = 0 ? How are you making your sigma bend? I have a similar setup. I have a ssl sigma going into a burl b2 bomber. Thanks again. I went to your website. Great sounding mixes!!!!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I output out of the Orion at 0dB full volume into the Sigma. Sigma meters set to +18. I've found sending everything to the A & B busses with compressors over each and then folding the B bus back into A and outputting both A & B at +3.0dB is my sweet spot for bending! Hope that helps. Thanks for the comment!
@john4157
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound Thank you for the explanation.
@markwilliams3518
Ай бұрын
My kind of thinking Great stuff My G
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you! 🙏🏼
@tracyfutch3980
Ай бұрын
Hey how are you i absolutely love your set up, i have a similar set up, question when bouncing 16 stems through the sigma back into protools do you still get the summing from the sigma, cause i was told just to use mix a to print and that's all i need, to get the best quality from summing, i have been wondering about stems but i won't to know what's the best solution, also i would love to be able to bounce stems also for the future, but i guess im trying to figure out if its best to print through mix bus a and print stems at the same time..
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I can print the stems and the A bus simultaneously when the Orion since I'm using the digital output from the Convert-AD+ into tracks 33 & 34 and I use 1-32 to print the stems in. It saves me a bunch of time to do it at once. A single pass and I have stems and the mix. Thanks for your question!
@beatsmith
Ай бұрын
Been wanting to purchase the sigma... one question. Is the pluging digital control compatible with current gen mac hardware (m1, m2, m3 macs)?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Yes! I'm running it on my M1 Mac Studio. Plug-in works, iPad app for the Sigma works. It's honestly awesome.
@jason.martin
Ай бұрын
Great song and voice, a touch of Kate Bush in some elements, love it, what is the name of the song? is it available yet? So you were able to get the SSL controllers to work with Delta plug in and the SIGMA, I thought I read on gearspace there was an issue with that. I have a SIGMA so this is good news. Do you have a master clock for running both of your converters? or no need as the are independent of each each other in what they do. So when you open up the delta plug in the physically faders automatically will adjust them? no need to hit a button? other than flip? This video has been extremely informative. Too bad SSL didn't add the MDAC faders to their origin console.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you! So far we just did the one verse and chorus of the song for my mix template video but Anniee and I have discussed fleshing it out into a full song. We shall see! You can see in the video I have the Sigma Delta and UF8 all working together! It absolutely works together!
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Oh and for a master clock, I'm using the Convert-AD+ and Dangerous clocking as my studio master clock. The Antelope slaves to the Dangerous.
@jason.martin
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound OK this is great info! thanks! have done an A/B test with clipping the converter vs a software one? You def need to finish the song, as a fellow producer (fulltime) I have heard tons of stuff and I am sure you have too, but this unfinished song is really good and I would love to hear it finished.
@LoftyMediaNetwork
Ай бұрын
Is that a game table ? Like the ones in casinos
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Yeah, this is The Social Club. Poker tables double as desks :-)
@kos.studio9304
Ай бұрын
Great video, man. I see drawmer as your monitor controller. Correct me if I am wrong.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Thank you and good eyes. You are correct, I have the Drawmer as my overall monitor controller, but the King RO4Y MKIII speakers I built have their own built in DAC so I can feed them a digital signal (spidf) direct from the Orion. Removes a level of conversion. I do love the Drawmer tho!
@kos.studio9304
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound wow that’s nice!
@surreal_youtube
Ай бұрын
liked, subscribed & shares to to many people whom will enjoy & appreciate just how kråzÿ wonderful all this info you’ve given in this video is truly helpful 💪😅👍
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@organikarts
Ай бұрын
where i can find this Convert 80 plus?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
It's the Dangerous Convert-AD+ analog to digital converter. Check it out!
@MikeJones-ci6sc
Ай бұрын
Ok I tried to look in to this but it seems like no one is selling the Sigma anywhere?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I mentioned in the video I think they might have discontinued it. I can find used Sigmas on eBay and Reverb and they're much more affordable on the used market.Hope that helps
@MikeJones-ci6sc
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound Sorry I missed it ;) , So neve is the only other one you like? What about the DBOX+ ?
@SocialClubSound
27 күн бұрын
Dbox plus is something I may eventually purchase for myself but I don't have much experience with the summing portion of it. Not enough to speak on it
@NikolausBrocke
Ай бұрын
I don't believe in this anymore. I have heard so many good mixes in the box. Many successful old (and of course young) producers producing in the box for years. And I even heard a fantastic mix of a friend of Greg Wurth he mixed on a soundcraft ghost console - that sounded perfect. Apart from the fact, that digital has improved so much. Of course you can get a great mix from an SSL analog console. But even more great mixes are done in the box, because nowadays talents can sound good without having to spent half a million for equipment.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I clearly stated in the beginning that I wasn't saying you can't get good mixes in the box. I can personally get good mixes in the box. But analog gets me there much much quicker and that's why I use it
@camblackofficial
Ай бұрын
How is the support for the SSL Sigma and are you concerned that a future Mac may cause issues with your setup?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Support for Sigma has been great and like I said in the video, since it's the same MDAC to plugin software in the AWS and Duality, I think the support for Sigma will continue in tandem. I can't predict the future, don't get me wrong. But it would stand to reason that it's the same software already so if it's being updated for the others, it shouldn't take anything extra to apply it to the Sigma. They had the Delta plugins running on Apple Silicon before most of my other plugins were compatible.
@camblackofficial
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSoundI guess I need to keep listening 😂 thanks for the response. I like this workflow.
@camblackofficial
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound Also have you considered the McDSP APB at all or used one?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I haven't really considered one at this point. I'm thinking of adding a Ferrofish Pulse 16 for the ADAT outs
@sideast
Ай бұрын
so are you running a separate print rig ? what about headphone monitoring ?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
If I'm printing stems I print directly back into the Orion 32+. If I'm printing stereo mixes and masters I'm printing into the Convert-AD+. For headphones I monitor through my Drawmer monitor controller I use for my passive speakers and headphones. Hope that helps clarify. Thanks for watching!
@sideast
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound for the cost of a Mac mini etc I would be running the dangerous into separate computer at 192 , so you can capture all that analog goodness , so where is your headphones source? The sigma ?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
My headphones run thru my Drawmer monitor controller which takes the analog TRS outputs of the Antelope Orion 32+. That's also my monitor controller for other passive speakers.
@rimonis2359
9 күн бұрын
Hello, I'm a studio engineer in Korea. Please leave a comment if you have any questions. I'm currently connecting because I want to work ssl sigma, but it doesn't work with the app. I use m2 mac Studio and the operating system is Ventura. Can you tell me the specifications and operating system of mac Studio you are using? And I wonder if you didn't have the same symptoms as me.
@SocialClubSound
9 күн бұрын
Do you have IP midi installed? That needs to be configured a certain way for the app to have a connection
@channeloram
Ай бұрын
Sigma activities
@tobitweaks
Ай бұрын
„you can too“ ehehehe man I‘m broke 😂😂😂
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Fair point! I just mean it's possible 😉
@ErikAnders
Ай бұрын
Is that a competition poker card table?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Sure is, welcome to The Social Club
@BrunodeSouzaLino
Ай бұрын
The beggining of the video goes on about measurable figures, percentages and descriptive differences before dwelling into the whole setup. Main question here is: If you were to be tested on the analog vs digital summing via double blind or ABX testing, would you be able to tell which is which? While I do understand that certain pieces of gear can generate biases which can affect someone's perception and work better for some in a technical level be it for existent reasons or not, is the difference audible once you remove all biases? Music is a product made for auditory consumption after all and differences which can only be measured or pinpointed in a spec sheet of frequency plot are meaningless, IMO. Considering the computing power we have in our hands currently, analog audio emulation is pretty much a solved problem and it's only gonna become harder and harder to argue differences, assuming there are still differences to begin with.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Then go make your music in the box! Nothing wrong with that.
@Sol7Studios
Ай бұрын
Prefer my 9080J or 4064G+
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Not surprised
@demodeiowa
Ай бұрын
Does the sigma provide analog inserts?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
You get analog inserts on the A and B busses. If your want to use outboard equipment on individual channels you just place it between the interface and the Sigma so you don't ride into the gear with every volume change. Hope that helps!
@demodeiowa
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound aaah i see. that's awesome. thanks a lot for the response! cheers!
@GgWifi-ot2sh
Ай бұрын
my hybrid setup LITERALLY SOUNDS LIKE THE RADIO IN 06' I make rap and rock and when I get 80% through a mix I swear it feels like Green Day American idiot . when I get it there I know I'm almost done
@GgWifi-ot2sh
Ай бұрын
hot take. ..... linkin park had HOTSHYTGARBAGE MIXES... am I bugging? or do you agree?
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I agree 😂
@GgWifi-ot2sh
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound crazy right!? mad low, bass all over the place . snares jump out and stuff
@ProdbyCeeSick
Ай бұрын
when i clip it sounds distorted but thats what I was going for it’s supposed to be harsh and muddy wutang!! 🤦🏻♂️🤣
@oblitafier
Ай бұрын
I’ve been an engineer for 40 years. Analogue summing of stems is pointless. If you want to add distortion (that’s all analogue summing does) you can do it in stereo when mastering. Please don’t fall for this nonsense.
@mirkomarkovic3438
Ай бұрын
Analog summing sounds the same as digital summing
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
If that were the case, I wouldn't bother using it
@mirkomarkovic3438
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound i'm talking about summing. Transformers and other stuff is another story. But summing is exactly the same.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I get it but the reason I'm disagreeing is the Sigma frequency response doesn't stay flat on the Sigma. As you push it harder, the frequency profile shifts. That's without any transformers or anything that's just sold state summing with the Sigma. So depending at what volume the things are summed they don't always sound identical. Not trying to be a contrarian.
@LazayLada
29 күн бұрын
Am I the only one screaming to myself that all of this outboard gear comes with Reason Studios? Reason even has the mastering suite. Please someone, I hope I’m not going crazy here. Great video but it seems like a lot of extra work and money spent.
@user-xj8yl2dh4p
27 күн бұрын
It's not even close . Reasons mixer is just a representation if anything. It's a pretty good program but they should have stayed in their lane imo . I use the vst of the rack now
@AstrAir1
Ай бұрын
all 3 secondhand: +/- 10.000 euro. Who is your audience? (not talking about the remote controllers)
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Not sure I understand your question. Are you asking who watches these videos?
@AstrAir1
Ай бұрын
@@SocialClubSound I understand this video is providing viewers information about your setup and how it works for you, but I doubt they can afford such a setup. Therefor I see this as a promotional video for your service. Nothing wrong with that. I just expected something more budget-friendly advise ;-) Just keep going
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
I mentioned in the video I slowly built this system over time. I didn't order it all and it just showed up. I was just trying to share my journey and how I got here.
@user-xl8qs4gb2j
Ай бұрын
limiting yourself to the sonic characteristics of the past, in today's technological environment, means you are intentionally leaving yourself behind. after hearing your music, i see why you are making youtube videos about gear and not music.
@SocialClubSound
Ай бұрын
Sharing my experiences doesn't feel limiting at all. You have a great day. I know I am!
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