Don't get me wrong the knowledge you put out is really valuable and I've made multiple mirrors in only my 2nd league from following a lot of the principles you mentioned including investing in veiled orbs early so I do appreciate it. However, if you're talking about hitting that 'ceiling', and going to dozens or hundreds of mirrors, you literally admit at around 1:20:00 what I've always suspected, that the VAST majority of it comes from mirror services, which the average player is simply never going to be able to do. Furthermore, your ability to make the mirror items seems to rely in large part, on the lines of credit offered to you by others, which I imagine is more than just a few divines. Also something that any average player is not going to have access to. You also kinda confirmed something else I'd suspected- you say you didn't enter a map until week 3, so all of your startup capital, is coming from those lines of credit. So on every league start you don't have to grind the campaign and some sort of initial farm, just to get capital together and get off the ground with crafting/flipping. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but it annoys me in both life and poe, whenever anyone touts a 'rags-to-riches' story and implies that 'you can do it too', almost without fail when you look more closely they are downplaying or glossing over several massive advantages and legs up they got in the earlier stages. Trump's "small loan of a million dollars" comes to mind (a ridiculous example I know but probably the most famous one). I will add that it is a natural human phenomenon though. There's a psychology experiment where they had lots of pairs of people play multiple games of monopoly, where one was given a huge advantage (extra money, easier rules). Consistently, the person with the advantages attributed their winning more to their good performance than to the game being rigged in their favour, *even when* they knew it was rigged in their favour. Tl;dw: 'as with all capitalism, who you know is equally if not more important than what you know'
@TRGamer99
2 ай бұрын
You can probably reach the "ceiling" without mirror servicing, but it is definitely going to take you much longer to get there, and most likely you will burnout before reaching that point. Unfortunately, you most likely will not make it into mirror servicing if you don't have a team or you aren't a trusted and well known crafter that can take out loans. Once you pass that first step you are pretty much guaranteed to make these absurd amounts of mirrors. Its just a matter of time to complete the craft. Once the craft is done you pay your debts and rest of the mirror fees are passive income that will earn you many many mirrors over the course of the league.
@xiangli7417
2 ай бұрын
Well said.
@Kvodan
2 ай бұрын
> i made multiple mirrors, this is my 2nd league > Affliction+Necropolis are the last two leagues 😅
@caneca4395
2 ай бұрын
@@Kvodan That does not invalidate his point tho.
@chuckdaddy7964
2 ай бұрын
!!TRUMP 2024!! Make Poe Great Again >
@IPAITH
2 ай бұрын
TLDR: There's a high level organized money printing mafia and poor Billy flipping burgers will never be able to afford anything the longer it continues.
@templeshuford310
2 ай бұрын
Real
@lucashingue
Ай бұрын
Eat of be eaten… juste gotta work for you piece of the cake . And if the cake is expensive work more and if you dont want to do it work smarter not harder .
@hushedturtle
2 ай бұрын
hideout warrior enlightening us with knowledge
@HasXXXInCrocs
2 ай бұрын
Can you start selling these mirrors to Koreans and finally buy a new fuckin camera
@JTD472
2 ай бұрын
Who gives a shit dude
@chuckdaddy7964
2 ай бұрын
lol
@100kejimaeda
2 ай бұрын
This is the classic Belton video experience and it’s authentic.
@brianwade2758
Ай бұрын
🤣
@xRawPower
2 ай бұрын
"I don't know if ppl are gonna like this... I don't really care." - This is why you're the goat lol. I enjoyed this, looking forward to the second episode of your bill burr style solo madman ranting podcast.
@netta7563
2 ай бұрын
"your failures are your best teachers".. You have a lot of wisdom in that brilliant head of yours
@luanlana1526
2 ай бұрын
videos like this and 'mirror making mentality' have deeply changed the way I see this game. great content as always, keep going. waiting for part 2, cheers.
@eshannumin
2 ай бұрын
I think the best advice was to not be afraid to try your own strats. I went from 20 divs a league to 120, to 350 over the course of 3 leagues, focusing on doing things I saw myself. looking for opportunities that let me do something extremely effective. Then tell absolutely no one.
@schapel
Ай бұрын
No thumbnail, no edits, no gameplay, nothing, just one and a half hours of PoE wisdom.... what a G! Watching every second of it.
@JiminyBillyBobIII
Ай бұрын
1:21:38 Wait for it... Belton about TFT: "Hey kettle, you're black."
@mmaxtg8498
2 ай бұрын
Mirror Goat shares philosophy with unworthy chat
@GE_Photon_Lord
2 ай бұрын
"Playing the player" - this is so true, combined with scarcity of certain items and game knowledge. Your imput is low but you gain a lot.
@SirFreeForAllYT
2 ай бұрын
I am a simple man, I see a Belton video, I leave a like
@Commandelicious
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, like his personality or style or not, but there is a lot of both here.
@Adrostos
Ай бұрын
Highlights: 0:01 - Introduction to discussing gameplay over the past decade. 2:13 - Importance of approaching the game with strategic actions. 4:00 - Emphasizing the significance of long-term understanding in the game. 7:33 - Explaining the economic aspects of the game using a chocolate bar analogy. 13:25 - Discussing different ways to achieve success in the game. 21:22 - Reflecting on reasons why players may stop playing the game. 24:19 - Explaining the concept of currency and its impact on the game. 28:17 - Mentioning the rarity and value of certain items in the game. 33:02 - Highlighting the importance of staying informed and engaged with the game community. 45:47 - Distinguishing between crafting and build-related questions in the game. 47:37 - Emphasizing the importance of strategic gameplay for achieving goals in the game. 48:56 - Discussing the long-term growth and becoming an outlier in the game. 50:00 - Exploring the concept of saving in-game currency through strategic actions. 53:07 - Encouraging players to think beyond linear fashion for success. 55:07 - Highlighting the benefits of understanding crafting and item value. 57:06 - Discussing the mutual benefits of trading in-game items. 1:00:00 - Analyzing the impact of deterministic crafting methods on the game's economy. 1:01:53 - Explaining the significance of understanding item prices and market trends. 1:04:31 - Discussing the compounding nature of in-game investments. The video delves into the speaker's experience of playing a game for over a decade, emphasizing strategic gameplay and long-term understanding. Through analogies like a chocolate bar's economic chain, the speaker explains the game's economic dynamics. Various success approaches are discussed, along with reasons why players may stop playing. The concept of in-game currency and the rarity of items like the Head Hunter are explored. The importance of community engagement and distinguishing between crafting and build-related questions is highlighted. Overall, the video provides insights into achieving success and longevity in the game through strategic actions and continuous learning. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of continuous learning, strategic decision-making, and community engagement for long-term success in the game. By understanding the game's economy, crafting mechanics, and market trends, players can optimize their gameplay experience and achieve their goals efficiently. The video serves as a valuable resource for players looking to enhance their skills, make informed decisions, and navigate the complexities of the in-game economy effectively.
@georgibojanov6081
2 ай бұрын
Bro I remember you in 2014-2015, I saw you in twitch, just a guy sitting in a dark room chancing Holy Chainmails for Voll's haha ( I also love Discharge like yourself). I thought wtf who does that, but I thought it's interesting. Keep up the good work, you've grown to be a unique and very valuable content creator for the community, no one does what you do :)
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
That’s a throwback! Appreciate the kind words, thanks man!
@kindherted2062
27 күн бұрын
I was trying to listen to this with brain fog fro Covid and a headache, I will have to come back another time for these great words of wisdom
@rainmeadow4042
2 ай бұрын
I like to listen to Belton talk economics, it‘s refreshing and definitely a unique perspective on PoE compared to other content creators.
@relldew2546
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video , looking forward for pt2
@zedarzy3547
2 ай бұрын
best thumbnail I've seen in this decade
@idontwantone132
2 ай бұрын
THIS is cinema
@gregody
2 ай бұрын
Best bloke on KZitem. Fell asleep to him taking a trip sown memory lane the ither night and he was dropping wisdom constantly.
@hfweuiofnweuio500
2 ай бұрын
i like your unfiltered, almost philosophical way of talking. most people these days trim their thoughts too much and try to squeeze them into rules and guides that are too narrow to follow and forget that not everything can be explained in 5min.
@retryz7218
2 ай бұрын
Hi @BeltonPoE, your videos on currency building on league start are great. Although I watched your league start and see that your initial capital came more from streamer benefits (60c amulet in A6 from a friend, borrowing harvest beast memories, beast rotas with taking the best beasts from all party members etc.). Do you plan [or have you done before] zero to hero with no chat/guild/friends? That would be a true example of how a “Free Market Enthusiast” with knowledge beats the game.
@hfweuiofnweuio500
2 ай бұрын
the beast rota thing is with guildmates, last i watched him on league start it was just their farming strat and they split the profit. he has also talked about how he approaches league start a few times. basically he just picks up everything of value he gets and builds a couple of divines to work with. he does chaos recipe and a couple of other small scale vendor recipes if needed. its a normal approach at the game up to the point he starts to work with his currency and scales it exponentially.
@retryz7218
2 ай бұрын
I understand what happens after with crafting etc, but i was interested in starting. If you are super rich day 2, you can stay ahead of everyone and buy original sin for 200d and do other things. Basically to get mega rich its crafting or gambling corrupts but for that you need currency. the necropolis start i watched 3 first days of streams on purpose, writing down all sources of income. He did minor currency flipping in acts himself. But the first 70d or so came from beasts and there was no sharing, just the viewers giving away the best beasts, keeping the cheap ones, for the chat its fun activity with their streamer, but he was taking all theur vultures snd matrons, and later - craicics.
@thomazaragao9969
2 ай бұрын
Love how this video also explains why its a fallacy when rich IRL ppl say they got their ridiculous wealth through their labour
@TL-fe9si
2 ай бұрын
Plus we are living in a permanent standard league with no reset
@grassnogr423
Ай бұрын
Rather than incentivizing traditional farming, this video is meant to inspire people to learn more about the games economy. In Poe, knowing what the economy revolves around is a powerful skill. The idea is that if you understand the economy, you could use wealth to generate more wealth, with mirror services being the most extreme case, since it generates passive income at no loss. Let's say a craft would cost 100 divs on average, while crafts are now near deterministic, it still requires time, luck and knowledge, which people would pay for, and depending on the supply and demand, the craft could be vastly more profitable than the cost. I am not suggesting anyone try crafting for profits, Belton has investors who cover the initial costs and possible losses due to rng that not everyone has access to. Needless to say, results may vary as well, shifts in meta and economy could affect the profitability of each craft, a lot of research is required to reach Belton's level of profits. I would like to add that no exile needs 100 mirrors a league to play the game, do what's fun and be satisfied with what you end up with. Personally, I enjoy min maxing builds to have good performance and low cost, it depends on how far you want to push it. And I sure enjoy dopamine from good drops more than being a hideout hermit.
@vomaxHELLnO
2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Belton, for the efforts guiding lost exiles. Would be nice to have some key points through these talks you do.
@Trupen
2 ай бұрын
1.5h video and not a single insult toward Europeans, what happened?
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
Figured they’d be too confused by the size of the number in the title and never click to watch it 🫡🇺🇸📈
@shadowblu77
Ай бұрын
One of the biggest “secrets” you can give is “don’t do the insane farming strat; be the supplier of the insane farming strat.”
@justjay3750
2 ай бұрын
been playing 1.2 leagues and I've made 0 mirrors lol. tbf I'm doing pretty well for a noob. I have a character thst can struggle through a t17.
@marfuen3420
2 ай бұрын
I was literally wondering if you had a video like this 10 mins ago
@cabbagepotato2421
2 ай бұрын
Huh. You're awesome!
@corrierobbertse1524
29 күн бұрын
You are a smart guy. Damn apply that knowledge to real markets and you will be extremely wealthy. This is a prime example of knowledge is power. Good vid
@SufaXtreM
2 ай бұрын
I love your way of being and thinking reminds me to some extent of myself of what I might become. Not sure if anyone has told u but ure long raw info “poe therapy” seasons, when u do them are very nutritious. I just was wondering if u could lower the amount of thumping the mic. It sometimes distracts me when im concentrating. Thanks in advance! Could just f**** get used to it.. hehe
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
Thanks pal, appreciate that. I’ll watch out for thumbing my desk next time.
@SoullessEyesPanda
2 ай бұрын
really loved the video!! what would u advice for a new player like to do, to learn crafting not just for profit, in general to make ur own item for a build.
@ILikeGuns1992
2 ай бұрын
I hope you are gonna touch on details such as why people lend you currency with seemingly minimum incentive League after League. There are much better ways to invest currency early on when it happens - people must be aware of that.There is sort of a disconnect. Are people doing it more as a favour to support you? How lending money to crafter works in general. How cooperative projects such as mirror crafts work. My understanding of such things is so limited I would love to be enlightened. It might even bleed into real life limiting me here.
@youngdrgn
2 ай бұрын
Came to show support from the live stream and learnt quite a bit from it.
@Netblaster95
2 ай бұрын
no thumbnail means nuthin but bidness
@marcosousa4029
2 ай бұрын
Awesome!! He is a POE Savant.
@lagarttemido
2 ай бұрын
Well, your video pretty much demonstrates why I'm so glad I have been playing SSF only for many years now. The game is meant to be played - killing monsters. That's it.
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
You may feel that way but it is factually incorrect. The designers of the game feel that way, at least… as one of the handful of core pillars or tenets of the game was that everything should be tradeable, and currency being usable (not just symbolic tokens for barter) as a means of combatting inflation is a direct design choice implemented with economic considerations in mind.
@Kvodan
2 ай бұрын
So if sense only in killing monsters stop picking currency up and spending for crafting.
@lagarttemido
2 ай бұрын
@@BeltonPoE I totally get what you mean. I actually feel it while playing SSF - by means of having to put up with added superfluos "friction" and lack of QOL in many mechanics and interfaces, like the 64 corpse limit in necropolis, the limits on currency stacks, drop rates of bosses' items, nerfs to Harvest, nerfs to Expedition etc. They all make the SSF experience considerably and needlessly harder and less interesting - I will never be able to have multiple builds with multiple T0s and T1 uniques, great jewels setups etc. The thing is: having to trade would've made my experience playing POE much worse. I tried it a bit a couple of times and felt miserable. Buying items from other people feel empty and pointless, really. I much prefer the sensation of being able to put something together by my own strengths. Owning your own build feels so good. Getting a Mageblood in SSF is one of the best highs a PoE player can experience, trust me. Btw: I have been playing POE since 2013. I usually end up leagues with anywhere from 0 to 39 (never had 40/40 as far as I can remember) achievements and 99% of my builds are of barbarian-melee archetype.
@lagarttemido
2 ай бұрын
@@BeltonPoEOh, and I should add: I watch you because of your deep knowledge in crafting, mostly. I'm always looking to improve and enjoy all the intrincacies of crafting, even though I may never be able to fully utilize it (no way I could farm 2000 hinekoras locks, 10000 divines, 1000 orbs of dominance, all the Harvest juice, all the beasts and temple corruptions on top of that for a double influenced, quad elevated, double corrupted item or something crazy like that). Btw, I can assure you you would gain even more notoriety and viewers if you do more crafting videos showing step by step the decisions and alternatives for each affix. Many, many people want to get into crafting, but can't get past the most basic uses of metacrafts. All the info is very hard to find.
@kwchou85
2 ай бұрын
I sad to see causal player quit the league early. My cousin and I start the league early together, he quit the league early after seeing Nimis went over 130 divs.
@the_gengar_master
2 ай бұрын
So my take away is that we shouldn't just let our money sit, use money to make money. I've heard a saying once that remains true.. "The rich pays money for time, but the poor pays time for money." It's a mindset.
@ggn1
2 ай бұрын
Belton for Prime Minister. Better than the drama teacher who doesn't know what value added means.
@CryptoPunk_
2 ай бұрын
Wait till PRD (Perandus Internal Services) comes for you . 😂
@Asmodai1984
2 ай бұрын
Down talks flipping then explains how he suggested flipping veiled orbs
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
Flipping and holding/investing are different. Flipping is buying something mispriced at its current market value and relisting it. That is not what I anecdotally advocated for (although you shouldn’t hyper focus on that one example , as it was just that- an example)
@Asmodai1984
2 ай бұрын
When you create mirror items you added value to the economy, flipping doesnt.....neither does holding it's just delayed flipping
@sythanh14
2 ай бұрын
When I heard Belton mention this I knew someone's gonna talk about it :)) I can get your point, but it comes down to the effect of the act you do, I will make it simpler : - Holding an asset and wait till it goes up in price is passively waiting and watching on that asset's value progressing - Buying and relisting for a higher price is price fixing Right, deep down they might bring about the same end result, but the action is totally different, holding an asset is just you investing in the asset, like divine, chaos, like everything else, anything can become a type of currency within reason, even t0 uniques under circumstances. Now relisting an item is not the same thing, you're actively making an impact to the item's value, and the market's money as a whole.
@user-im7ho4xj2u
2 ай бұрын
strongest hideout warrior
@baIec
2 ай бұрын
"so yeah anyways here's how I make 100 mirrors a week" *mic cuts off*
@gen3tikzzhd70
2 ай бұрын
imagine making 100 mirrors in league but played 5 h total per league
@WOMFT
2 ай бұрын
Can't wait for gold usage in poe2 💀 Speaking facts considering ppl can't even google now 😭 Watching ppl cry about some strat others is doing is always funny
@TheShrikeHD
2 ай бұрын
I think the gold in poe2 is just for vendors. The rest of the currency is still there, minus things with sockets
@WOMFT
2 ай бұрын
@@TheShrikeHD seeing as how there are trade houses in console & even china vers with cross play being a thing gold might be used as universal currency, doh players might still latch onto barter trades hopefully
@Rekennnnn
2 ай бұрын
Good video. thanks
@dotalikeaboss
2 ай бұрын
I am a simple man, I see a Belton video, I sleep (thats why im poor)
@f.jideament
2 ай бұрын
The greed of a digital slave.
@thatguywastakenagain
2 ай бұрын
"the dragon you need to slay" you've been listening to many peterson lectures, havent ya? No criticism, they offer a lot of value. PS: I recognized many concepts you were referring to in this video when talking abou personal development and how to approach things. Unfortunately the nature of this video makes it very hard for many people to follow your line of thinking without the context behind these concepts. At least that would support the observation you made of the nuance in your advice being lost to many of your viewers.
@HeavyClaw
2 ай бұрын
Sooo basically mirror services and learn to craft
@joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814
2 ай бұрын
5 min resume?
@CryptoPunk_
2 ай бұрын
But is it SSF viable ? :D
@MicahUwU
2 ай бұрын
The irony in me listening to this for entertainment while running around in maps for money lmao..always enjoy the long videos though, slight rambling included
@FordMustang-gp5zu
2 ай бұрын
no thumb lol
@pew3836
2 ай бұрын
All those mirrors, and still hasnt RMTd them to buy a camera above 10$
@iiDeMeNToR
2 ай бұрын
Well POE is real life simulation 🤷🏻♂️
@luc_xott
2 ай бұрын
ok hear me out, taking loans out against your items.
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
Someone’s starting to understand how/why high end crafting can snowball so much/ so easily 👀
@nhanknhankson2194
2 ай бұрын
Hi
@NoPantts
2 ай бұрын
any tldr for a very busy unemployed man?
@hayze7006
2 ай бұрын
there are free mirror services, just not any non-profit mirror services.
@sythanh14
2 ай бұрын
i don't get your point, how come free service can be profitable?
@Didjeue
7 күн бұрын
@@sythanh14most likely cases for this are new mirror-tier item crafters who are trying to break into the ‘scene’ and spread their name. Additionally, it could be someone who crafts for a very niche build and are willing to do services for items they’re using anyways. Lastly, it could be content creators or people who will take view donation/funding to create mirror items with the promise of free mirror services.
@mike-8381
2 ай бұрын
Step 1: Find a spare 15000 hours Step 2: Profit
@AshDragonnn
2 ай бұрын
there is absolutely no point in flipping veiled orbs or hoard smth for longer than a day. First few days divines are 2-3$, and at the end of first month they are 100 times cheaper. If you belton bought then for 1 div each, they should cost now 100 divs each, otherways you lost money. Say me its not true
@bisha9347
2 ай бұрын
First?
@Awildfjellman
2 ай бұрын
I'm a fan so dont get me wrong, but BIG cap you made 100 mirrors in dual-leagues back in 2014. Post some nostalgia otherwise. Keep on trucking!
@PureOliveOil
2 ай бұрын
Second, I guess
@reedf3047
2 ай бұрын
second
@JeebyS86
2 ай бұрын
Get to the point
@AlexanderBukh
2 ай бұрын
TLDR: play magicfind
@diegogarber1
2 ай бұрын
@@AlexanderBukh liar 6:20
@novademon
2 ай бұрын
This is a fucking bonkers rant. Im worried about you.
@GypsumGeneration
2 ай бұрын
the most suspect part of this is the claim that you somehow had no computer access at school having been born in 1991 until fifth grade, and that somehow your sister's instructors let her use a computer so she is therefore bad at mental math.
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
That’s not what i said at all.
@GypsumGeneration
2 ай бұрын
@@BeltonPoE that is literally what you said lmao
@BeltonPoE
2 ай бұрын
@@GypsumGeneration @GypsumGeneration No, I didnt. I said that when I was learning multiplication, division, and basic arithmetic-- computers werent fully integrated into learning/ubiquitous yet. The school would have had a computer "lab" with a couple, but it wasnt apart of daily learning. As a result, everything was done on pen and paper. My sister, born only a few years later...always had computers and laptops as a part of her learning experience, and cell phones were standard fare. As a result, she learned most things by looking them up, typing them/ doing them digitally. As a result of this, there was/is a clear gap in her ability to do things without the assistance of those tools, despite being very intelligent and fully capable-- it just wasn't a skillset that was "needed" anymore due to the digitization of pretty much everything. This rarely bares fruit these days, but is noticeable in scenarios like that at a restaurant when figuring out what to tip and not being able to do it mentally / without whipping out her phone's calculator. This is such a minute point of the video to nitpick at in any case, but to do so while also not being able to deduce the point of the anecdote is peak YT/Twitch comment material, well done.
@specterfang99
2 ай бұрын
Meh too bad u dont know how to say something in very few words. Always get excited by the title, but then i look at how long your video is, and 1 hour and a half makes me deadge inside, not even the idea of making 100 mirrors isnt worth that much time. Sadge, but gl
@quackologist
2 ай бұрын
If you can’t listen for an hour then you don’t deserve to learn from the master. Just listen to it as a podcast lol
@MorbidDesire
2 ай бұрын
Tell me you're a zoomer with 5 sec attention spam without telling me..lul
@elantonelle
2 ай бұрын
making 100 mirrors is a full time job lol, an hour long video is nothing compared to it
@specterfang99
2 ай бұрын
@@MorbidDesire well, not really, but when 85% is just avoiding the damn subject and mind farting, then it gets boring and not worth wasting my time with. If it would happen only once in a while, thrn maybe, but it's every video. Sadge, cuz even if he does have something good to transmit, he doesnt know how to, the right way. Getting yourself distracted and getting into other collateral subjects before getting to the thing that ur title is related to, is exactly what u said about me, so.. gg
@Cowmilk753
2 ай бұрын
and this is why you end league with 10 divines every time
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