What do you think gives a bike it's own unique character and 'soul'?🚴
@МариоДимитров-я9ъ
9 ай бұрын
Every bike has a character and it's own charm! I've got plenty modern bikes, and couple of retro bikes, and every single one gives me unique gorgeous feeling riding it!
@jordyd8916
9 ай бұрын
My own memories with it. I really don't, and neither should you, care about the opinions from others. I now ride my bike for 18 years. Every scratch on the frame is a memory. Every new part is due to defect. The semi frankenbike I now ride Is the love of my life. (don't tell my wife and children though plz) Replacing only defect parts, by same grade or better parts. Nothing screams soulesness like a brand new bike to me,
@metaliumtux
9 ай бұрын
Hey guys! Would you like to try a vintage frameset with modern components?
@mgrant6607
9 ай бұрын
Sure. Willier makes one. How about same retro bike but just modern pedals?
@jrcollings
9 ай бұрын
For me, a part of a bike's character comes from it's appearance and style, but most comes from the way it feels when you are riding and the mood it inspires, for example my Domane feels smooth, slick and fast, refined and civilized; whereas my Supercaliber feels lively and exiting, boisterous and adventurous; so one makes me want to smoothly eat up the miles, and the other makes me want to take risks and have adrenaline fueled fun a la GMBN.
@whataname955
9 ай бұрын
Big props to the camera operators and editors - this episode feels even more stylish and cinematic than usual!
@kunzworld2309
9 ай бұрын
You should make a video trying to determine which was the best looking Campagnolo group set in the Aluminium era. The times before all things turned black and shining silver dominated. The one shown in this video was groundbreaking at the time. But late 80s or early 90s produced some beauties, still unmatched today.
@rockytalkndawoods3057
9 ай бұрын
"friends don't let friends ride Shimano" 💪🏼
@Thetoad738
8 ай бұрын
1986-1990 Campagnolo C record groupset with Delta brakes. Hands down the nicest ever.
@alexandreboyenval3140
8 ай бұрын
@@Thetoad738c record with Cobalto super record brakes, for me.
@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling
9 ай бұрын
the clip clop of Si's shoes when walking up the hill was so loud that if Monty Python and the Holy Grail was ever remade they could replace the coconut sound effects for the horse.
@timmarshallsay
9 ай бұрын
Both bikes are wonderful in their way. 40-something seconds though? I think I may just be at a point in my cycling life (62) where 40 seconds doesn't matter much vs. just being on the bike. Wouldn't throw the Condor out of the garage, though...
@johnboom6777
9 ай бұрын
The test was done without the rider getting used to the bike. Before my Campagnolo was a $5 bike I repaired at work in early 1970s. Rode it everyday to Shell Shipping Gore Bay from Collaroy (from sea level to 2 highest points in Sydney back to sea level). On my way would deviate to pick up 50 pound gym weights for repair or engine heads and strap them to the rear of the bike as the carrier had a large sheet steel (copious lunch) box . Mid way trip going down Roseville bridge would pass the cars at unknown speed but the limit is 80klm/hr. These round trips were about 50-60 kilometers. One day with very little Shell sponsorship entered a race from Manly to Cronulla which included top competition riders. Couldn't believe I was in front most of the way but the crank cotter pin started to loosen so had to pull into a garage to borrow a hammer, this happened a few time till I saw the bunch go past while hammering. Half a klm to go and both cranks were facing down so I scooted the rest. When reaching the finish line the winners were left standing on the podium when the media rushed over to see the weird situation. Moral of the story is 1/ Always race with the bike you train on. 2/ Hard (inadvertent) training counts more than equipment. 3/ Consensus at the time was the skinnier the tyre the better and I was riding wide tyres which has now been proven to be faster. 4/ Happy carefree riding makes better results than unhappy regimented training. . btw once a happy grinder always a grinder.
@rickmagee1918
9 ай бұрын
I agree with Si’s comment about soul. It’s about how the bike makes you feel. I started racing on an SLX steel frame with 1st gen Campagnolo Athena and fell in love with Italian components. I’ve raced on Campy at all levels from Daytona to SR. I’ve also raced on Ultegra and Ultegra Di2. All of them work fine but I feel more invincible on Campy. My main bike these days is a Basso with Chorus and Bora wheels and Assioma pedals for the full Italian, and it just feels good to ride.
@stuartfreedman6854
9 ай бұрын
19:40 says it all. 'Soul" is something you infuse the bike with gradually. In 2018, I replaced my N.R. equipped 1981 Guerciotti with a Giant TCR. Gave the Guerciotti to my stepson.The TCR is just starting to "come alive" now. I took the Guerciotti out for a spin last summer and it still spoke to me before, during and after the ride (my position felt ridiculously slammed by the way). The body does not age as well as the vintage superbike. When my stepson took it in to a shop for a minor service, the guys in the shop just drooled over it. I was SO proud to hear this. Will the TCR get the same response 50 years from now?
@BernardKerrison
8 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the vid. My 1980's Raleigh RecordAce had similar gearing and after failing to get up some hills on the last big ride ten years ago I gave it to a younger, fitter friend who absolutely loves it. I switched to a Trek Madone, but that has now been relegated to being on a trainer because back in 2020 at the beginning of the Covid lockdown I wrote to Greg Lemond (my hero) asking about the provenance of an E-Bay Lemond bike supposedly built in Italy from the pre-Trek (pre-Lance Armstrong) days. I received a very moving reply urging me to get over my anti-Trek (anti Armstrong) feelings and just get out there and ride. That conversation morphed into Lemond building me a Washoe from their 2012 line-up. Of course it had to have a Campag groupset which took some finding by Scott, Greg's son as the world supply was gobbled up as Covid swept the world. Scott took charge of the project and I now ride a stunningly beautiful steel bike which simply makes me smile. Sadly I don't ride it enough (major health issues in 2023) but am back on it now. Yes, it is less than 4 years old, but it has soul. I think that it was delivered with soul, but any bike that makes me smile every time I look at it has more than soul. It has magic. The carbon Madone can stay on the trainer, even the (once-) trendy Trek Urban stays hanging in the garage. To have middle-aged rich guys on their Specialised S-Works stop me on the bike trail just to admire the LeMond adds to the joy.
@Biking360
9 ай бұрын
Faster does not necessarily mean it is better. I have modern and vintage bikes but despite modern bikes being quicker I prefer to ride my older and steel bikes. Maybe that makes them better? Or maybe not!!
@gcn
9 ай бұрын
It's all down to perspective! Where will you be taking your steel bikes on their next adventure? 👀
@michaelmappin4425
9 ай бұрын
I love this episode. That Merckx is absolutely gorgeous. It speaks to my sense of nostalgia and my actual start into the world of fast bikes. I have been complaining for years about Campy's offerings but the wireless SR looks amazing. If offered one of those beauties, I honestly would have a tough time choosing.
@chucklesm2391
9 ай бұрын
My 1979 Puch is still my primary road bike. I put 2,500 miles a year on it.
@stephendenagy3396
6 ай бұрын
I know not possible, but the proper test is to do the rides on consecutive days, as exhaustion will skew the results. That said, the real difference between the bikes is likely much greater than you recorded. I personally am more motivated by what the bike can do to help me out, a little bling is nice. I remember kitting my bike with Campy stuff in the 70’s. What else would you get? Lusting for those beautiful cranks. Well, I now have pimped my ride, with 35 mm rims on my Turbo Levo ebike, with new Purple Hayes hydraulic brakes, and a more swept SQLab handle bars to save my poor wrists. No, riding is MUCH more fun with modern tech. In a sense you choice of Campy was perfect, because they actually are also too enamored of their beautiful past, and have let the world pass them by. Give me tech! Thanks for the show!
@jrcollings
9 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video. IMO the classic bike is beautiful and it's not all about performance to me, different ratios and that would be a great bike to enjoy (or just avoid crazy climbs). BTW Si, I love the way you look in that retro jersey, it looks much better than your boring black one, just saying, save the black for your ankles as it will make them look smaller. ;)
@pablosjc
2 ай бұрын
Great video. And the host is a big part of why it’s so great. Give this guy more airtime!
@jacksonbangs6603
9 ай бұрын
Nice video showing the change in technology over the years. At the end of the day the rider determines the results of a ride.
@whenvioletsturngrey9597
9 ай бұрын
Fun comparison. Early nineties saw a 130mm rear wheel spacing implemented. You can run more gears on those bikes with carbon wheel sets. Best of both worlds. Carbon wheels, with lower spoke counts & air slicing capabilities, are the biggest difference for the avg rider.
@ralphc1405
8 ай бұрын
Don't forget when 7spd freewheels came out you needed a different chain. Those 3''32 pitch chains for 5 and 6spd blocks couldn't work.
@jonathanhorne6503
8 ай бұрын
I had an old all Campagnolo Mondia Special that I bought in 1968. I still have my deceased wife’s Cinelli. They were quite the rides in their day.
@MrOkorodeluxe
8 ай бұрын
As a bike mechanik from Amsterdam I allways jugde a bike for it's 'fun factor' . In my book a steel bike with downtube shifters has a way bigger fun factor rather than a brand new high end competition bike if, if you rebuild the bike to 'modern' standards: compact 50-34 in front and as big a possibel in the back; My 1984 Giant Peloton Superlite can shift from 50-12 to 34-32 with Suntour VX gt deraillers. Last autumn I 'did' Passo d' Agnello with it. Great big fun for a fraction of the price you'll have to pay for a brand new high end carbon (= plastic) roadbike. Eat your heart out folks!
@ralphc1405
7 ай бұрын
On a side note I have been riding VREDESTEIN Fortezza clinchers for close to 20 years here in the US. I enjoy that 23mm can be pumped to 120psi or more. Are they/were they popular there in Holland? Did the pro peloton or major teams ever use them? Sad that they are not popular anymore.
@cooperswayadventures
9 ай бұрын
All we ever rode 70s 80s long distance hostel trips mid winter, snow ice wind rain hail 42-25 over Park rash etc etc etc etc, thought nothing of it like Eddy said lol great vid Simon 👍
@MrEL28
7 ай бұрын
Thanks, Si, for making the comparisons between one modern and one from 50 years ago. It makes me appreciate how much harder cyclists had to pedal 50 years ago with heavier bikes with less capable groupsets.
@johnandrews3568
9 ай бұрын
I've been on Campagnolo since the early 1980s. From the last generation Super Record to the most recent gen 11 speed... I have the Campagnolo word mark tattooed on my left forearm. I can't imagine riding anything else because it just works. And if a part eventually wears out, I can replace it relatively easily. I still have my custom built Pinarello with 8spd Record (when Record was the top line) and it's just a beautiful ride with the straight block ratios I had when I raced cat 1-2-pro. When I show up with my retro bike on club rides, noobs always comment on how it was possible to ride a 53x41-12x19 on our roads, yet we did and I still ride the same ratios on my carbon bike, but admittedly the 21 gets used now. I think we were just tougher back then because we had to be.
@ralphc1405
8 ай бұрын
In the late 80s did you ride Synchro or did you still use the friction mode for your C-Record DT levers? Shimano D.A. riders were already spoiled by then with index.
@johnandrews3568
8 ай бұрын
@@ralphc1405 i was friction until i went to Ergo
@paulschmidt7473
5 ай бұрын
I think what gives a bike a soul, is what happens on it, I still remember my kids bike, even though I moved on from that bike over a half a century ago. Remember my first geared bike, 3 speed Sturmey Archer, the blue 5 speed, the red Sekine that replaced it, that I bought with my own money, from cutting grass and shovelling snow. I hauled that bike off to college, when I could not afford a car and needed to get around. Even the current crop, the ancient Raleigh roadie that I got when a neighbour was tossing it away, gee the gears on it, are about the same as your Eddy Merckx, try riding up that hill with a 60 year old "motor". I plan on getting it out, pumping up those wide 23mm tires, and seeing how I do on the local trail, it's fairly flat, and I see roadies on it all the time.....
@willmo1725
9 ай бұрын
Great video. I wonder though, I do I do. What if u gave the old bike, that fancy shifter, modern pedals, carbon fiber wheels, just a heavy touch up or modernization, how close would the race be then? Lived the show, go GCN!!!!!
@JordyJayHomer
9 ай бұрын
Exactly. The differences would be negligible if the wheels were swapped and the old bike had a few other modern bits on it
@UKfromadrone
9 ай бұрын
I would have liked some watt and butt dyno measurements, meaning how much less or more tired you were on the new bike, how much you think it made you faster and how much easier it rolled etc. times are nice, but unless you are racing the feel of the bike makes the ride. and not just the soul of the bike
@chrisjackson9978
8 ай бұрын
Toured in the Lake District in 1983 on my Holdsworth Championship. Frame I had built up myself. It had a Suntour 5 speed 16-20T freewheel on the back and Campag Gran Sport 52/42 chainset on the front. I was serving Queen and country in Northern Ireland at the time and asked my Dad to sort the bike, ie change the freewheel to something more suitable. Got my leave to the Lakes only to find my Dad had not changed the gearing. He thought he would get me back for thrashing him in time trials. He took me over Blea Tarn and the following day up Kirkstone Pass. I got to the top of Kirkstone first and was having a pint when he arrived. Those were leg braking climbs, but the only way to get up them was to attack the climb. Still riding riding steel and 6 speed freewheel blocks. Have given in to old age and injuries sustained by using a triple on the front. Had to gear down as I don't have the same leg and back strength.
@brettalexander3028
9 ай бұрын
I would like a comparison using the exact same equipment on each bike, the only difference being Steel Frame v Carbon Frame . I think you will find difference between the 2 times are minimal.
@toddh4491
9 ай бұрын
These are among my favorite GCN episodes. Thank you!
@davidelley8979
8 ай бұрын
I know that the road I used to run is for fun, four times around is approximately a half marathon. I only managed it on a bike as it was so slippery and slippery.... Absolutely a killer....
@k2138dk
8 ай бұрын
Exactly...what´s not to like 🙂 I am lucky enough to have my retrobike from when I was 24 (OMG) and the thing that gives it a soul, is that I still remember all the good rides it has given me. On the other hand, my new gravelbike is just fantastic and I enjoy every crash 😀 Thank you for pointing out the joy and soul - past and future.
@ditto1958
8 ай бұрын
Back in the 70’s I got an original handmade in Waterloo, Wisconsin Trek road bike. Over the years I bought and rode more modern bicycles, but years later when I would occasionally ride the old Trek I was always surprised at how good it was.
@JSC131
9 ай бұрын
Hey Si ive rode that climb its a bloody beast great content as usual.
@francisprenen
9 ай бұрын
I used to ride those retro bikes in the late seventies. I also was a lot faster with those bikes compared to my new carbon Merckx??? Hmmm...🤔 maybe it's me that aged a little 😂 Nice video guys. Merry Christmas
@scott5088
9 ай бұрын
Or modern bikes are less comfy and just like in pandora you don’t have the soul connection with modern bike
@chrishey6891
8 ай бұрын
I like how Si purposefully gave the Condor a slight aero disadvantage by wearing his massive glasses when riding it and not the Mercx bike :-)
@chasman9662
8 ай бұрын
Typical Mt. Bike race in the 90s for me. Hop off and run up the steep hills because if a bad shift or slow speed. Lungs dragging on the front wheel, feet slipping in the mud, slowing down to a walk because it was too long...GOD I miss it.
@davidkennedy4845
8 ай бұрын
You beat me to it! I am in the process of fine tuning a BMC SLR01 2018 model to make a direct comparison with my 1986 Columbus SLX and full Suntour Superbe Pro group set with Veloflex tubular tyres. My comparison however will not be posted on KZitem. My comparison will be in a Masters Criterium racing environment and documented. My current race bike is the steel one and at my age of 60 years, I am starting to feel that perhaps I am making things harder for myself than it need be. But just how much is my quest to find out. As far as the old groupsets go nothing, in my opinion, surpassed the quality of Suntour Superbe Pro. Light, Cheap, Strong. Pick any two. With SSP you got all three. Its a shame that poor marketing/management decisions eventually caused the demise of Suntour (Maeda Industries), another story. It must be noted, that when the Suntour patent of the slant parallelogram rear derailleur expired in 1984, all of the other major derailleur manufacturers ( Campagnolo included) copied the Suntour design. Thus we have the smooth shifting for which Suntour was famous for but now in other brands. Soul? Steel bikes certainly have more of the human element built into them simply by means of the process of manufacture. The process of carbon reinforced plastic frames, though laid up by hand doesn't in my opinion carry the same weight (of 'soul'). I always get compliments on my steel bikes. Compliments seem on carbon bikes seem pretty thin on the ground. There is definitely an elegance to the older bikes that is lacking in the new stuff. Taking rocks from the ground, smelting them into metal, forging and machining into form and function, has a romance or something over reinforced plastics. If Vulcan rode a bike, it would be steel not plastic. Enjoyed the video. Thanks.
@NunoJoel
9 ай бұрын
I think the crazy Effort Si did on retro says all ! It is a nice piece of art to stand in a corner at home , but no way this days would take normal people up some crazy climbs that we are able to do. Merry Christmas GCN
@shaun7163
9 ай бұрын
Some really nice editing on this one!
@BigPowerAL
9 ай бұрын
The 7Eleven and red and white Merckx were big sellers back in the mid 80’s. By then though Shimano Dura Ace was the high end group for your ride. 52/42 chain rings with a 12-24 in the back!
@ronbell7920
16 күн бұрын
Yep, the Jap racing derailleurs maxed out at 24 teeth! Fuji's crit bike had 74 degree head and seat tube angles, tight geometry. The rear tire was just a few mm from the seat tube. Quicker and cheaper than the Italian brands everyone wanted. Hey, crit racing your going to wreck it anyway!
@Lufftschwimmer
9 ай бұрын
For training and winter , I would prefer the steel frame...exept the tires and the shifters on the handlebar. In 1969 there was also possible to ride with smaller gears....Specialite TA makes a 3 chainring crank long before 1969 ......but thr riders had contracts with campy so they had to ride campy....what happend when the modern bike looses a spoke ?? And what happend if the old one did this ;-)) the old stuff brings the riders more to their limit...so better much more spectular for the spectatures...ok 2,5 kg is very much ! What a will be the diffrence between a bike from now and a bike which is 10 years older ? And at least what about the costs, the diffrence of the money from 1969 until now ??
@markx5
9 ай бұрын
Nice video , thanks Si. I’d like to see a similar comparison between a latest model and something comparable but about 4 years old, plenty of people in the market for decent used bikes, be nice to see how much worse they are, if any……
@joshaalders3029
9 ай бұрын
Love the bit about soul having more to do with the adventure and your experience with the bike!
@SkyhawkSteve
9 ай бұрын
does Simon know that you can get slotted cleats that fit the Look bolt pattern? That should help him get a little more power on the hills (it works for me). If needed, I've got some spares.
@user-lx6pk9os2d
8 ай бұрын
I raced a Raleigh SBDU 753 in the late 80's, Super Record groupset, 12-18 for the flat. 12-21 if it was hilly Chainset was 43/53. Those were the days!!
@kelemenrichard
9 ай бұрын
To be honest, I get this kind of content, but you guys should really do a neo-retro comparison. A good 90's CrMo frame, built up with some modernish groupset with proper clipless pedals. I would be very much interested in what difference would that make. Especially cause I am riding a setup like that 😅(Bridgestone RB2 with a Shimano 5700 groupset and Ksyrium wheels)
@ragwort3369
9 ай бұрын
Agreed, I too would like to see that. I ride a 1973 Mercian road bike decked out with Campag Chorus 9 speed and would love to see a comparison with as retro frame fitted with a good modern groupset.
@thedceejay
9 ай бұрын
Good luck trying to find spare batteries, or a phone to run that app in 53 years time.
@robdrelich8563
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Try watching a hi 8 compact video of our kids anymore. No way to play them. But my old Raleigh supercourse from 1977 still works !!!!
@klauslass6766
9 күн бұрын
Correct! Same will happen with cars. There will be no oldtimer meetings with 50 year old Lamborghinis or other supercars driving past you in 2075, except soemone pushes them. The abundance of microelectronics and its evolution ever speeding up, will make them unrepairable someday not 50 years away.
@rangersmith4652
9 ай бұрын
There is no doubt that the 12-speed motorized drive train provides more flexibility and helps make the modern bike faster. But is faster always better? Not for everyone, certainly. The main issues I have with "modern" tech on bikes is the lack of choice that's pervading the maker's lineups (you can have motorized shifting and hydro disks or nothing at all), the complexity of it all (batteries and apps to change gears, brake bleeding and tire sealant), and grossly inflated "modern" price tag that they bear. Give us choice, bike makers. At least build your super-carbon frames in a rim-brake version so we can build them up ourselves the way we want. I know that's an extra expense, and I know you believe nobody wants rim brakes. Yes, we do.
@BigPowerAL
9 ай бұрын
I remember the day we built up a Colnago with a Campy 50th Anniversary Groupo and placed it in the display window of our bike shop. The looks that bike got was amazing. Think it was a whooping $3000.00. The bike was bought by a local Doctor that loved collecting Italian bikes.
@FatboyAussie
9 ай бұрын
I got a retro style Ti frame with 11 speed 105 but with a set of Roval CL50 rims. I use it for Crit races. Has its own style but it doesn’t limit me.
@gcn
9 ай бұрын
What a bike! Have you seen our latest crit bike build over on GCN Tech? 👉 kzitem.info/news/bejne/1YttsGWCiYljpKg
@FatboyAussie
9 ай бұрын
Just watched it. Love it.
@mrsmith4662
9 ай бұрын
Both really nice bikes and the retro one looks very vintage cool and really not that slower.
@rupertnorth9632
9 ай бұрын
After a 30-plus year break from cycling, I've dug my old bike out, and now everything is described as "retro.".....makes me feel old!! 😂😂
@steveprice9737
9 ай бұрын
Try equalising the bikes with gearing and wheel depth. The real advantage is aerodynamics. The modern stuff is faster through the air. It's possible to build compact set ups for vintage bikes. My hilly tt bike is early 80s 753 with 52/36 stronglight cranks/rings, 28 on the back , no problems on hills. On the flat not as fast as the carbon race bike but the difference is minimal. Weight isn't a big issue, a few lbs either way particularly on the flat, only in very long hilly events.
@johnboom6777
9 ай бұрын
My long comment got lost. Anyhow to summarize. Still occasionally ride the late 1970s Campagnolo, gear change in handle bar ends, with the 68 chainring and welded derailleur hanger bracket forward of axle . Now have Cervelo S5 Di2 synchro changed to hub gears with 81 tooth self made single chainring, and titanium Curve with wireless and 78T single chainring. In my mid seventies and ride with mid forties mates up North Head hill (Sydney) and McCarrs. Started off riding big gears due to Powerlifter/bodybuilder and cant shake it. If the test was done with some big gear training beforehand maybe different opinion may have been had.
@mikeburton8426
9 ай бұрын
A lot has changed in 50 years, but what about the last ten years. My favourite road bike is now 10 years old. A size 56 S works Tarmac SL4. I’t s ten speed RED with rim brakes. Easy to ride it below the UCI weight requirement. I really feel like there have been changes over the past decade, disc brakes, wider rims, 11 speed and then 12, electronic shifting. But how much “better” are newer bikes?
@PoliticusRex632
9 ай бұрын
To me, the difference between a modern bike and a retro bike is that, the modern bike feels a part of me whereas the retro bike feels like your sitting inside a purposed vehicle.
@scottmalone2332
8 ай бұрын
That Merckx is beautiful. Imagine it with modern components.
@MrDaemondays
9 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas GCN!
@dpskiff2998
8 ай бұрын
What if you put a modern day groupset on the old bike frame and then do the comparison?
@kenblair2538
9 ай бұрын
Great video, GCN. Yep, riders back in the day, were tougher than modern riders. But , as with everything sport , it evolves. . Thanks. KB
@GummeeH3
9 ай бұрын
Some of us have been riding since the days of 6sp gearsets. Yes, the gears were bigger, but everyone was in the same boat, so it didn't matter as much. I thought I was in heaven when I got a freewheel with a 24t big cog!
@billkallas1762
9 ай бұрын
50 years ago, you'd never see climbs like that, so you wouldn't need to use anything larger than a 21. Back in the mid 80's, I would race on rolling courses on a 21, and use a freewheel with either an 18 or 19 (with a 53) on flat criteriums. By the mid 90's, I'd use a 23 for rolling courses, and 21's for flat races. By the mid 2000's I'd use a 25 for rollers and a 23 for the flat races. By the mid 2010's, it was 25's for everything (including using the 39 occasionally) Now it's a 25, and I use the 39, quite a bit. I can remember a funny story from back in 2005. I was in a bike shop, buying a 12-25 cassette, when a fellow competitor came in, looked at the cassette I was buying, and asked if it was for my mountain bike. We both had a good laugh over that one. Talk about modern tech, I can remember when the Avocet Model 20 came out. Everyone would stare at it like it was a naked supermodel.
@Reinaldo_N3ves
8 ай бұрын
I still find old bicycles with an attachment very interesting in terms of aesthetics. It would be interesting to see how steel, aluminum, and carbon bicycles work with the same setup of shifters, cassette, and crankset.
@adamweb
9 ай бұрын
14:40 Begin Si making Super Mario noises 🤣
@H457ur
9 ай бұрын
God this brings back memories! I had a Mondonico with exactly the same styling and geometry (it was custom; made for me by Antonio Mondonico himself and cost an arm and a leg.). I had Campagnolo Chorus 9 speed and a Racing Triple - I was always a climber and that triple gave me the gears Si doesn’t have. So you really could have the gears, although I don’t think the triple came around until maybe the 90s. Before that, in the 80s I had aluminum ‘touring’ bikes with Suntour triples and I was much faster uphill than my friends on true racing bikes. I think my Cannondale had a 28 tooth small chainring in the front, and maybe a 12-27 in the back. I was a beast on the climbs, but it was all about gearing. The true hard men would have laughed at me spinning away at 80 RPM! It just wasn’t manly. 😂
@rosariobenjamin
9 ай бұрын
Okay @gcn I have an idea for you: Make an electric motor which can mount to any bicycle which you can ride and compare for different weights, heights, etc. I feel like Zwift allowing riders at half the weight to roughly produce half the power for the same speed on flats is inaccurate. Comparing speed attainable with a motor and accounting for range difference is what would be very interesting to me.
@pete9992
9 ай бұрын
Always love watching GCN. Would be good to know how much bikes each cost when new,average wage at time bikes produced and does that make the 6% improvement value for money
@jbarner13
9 ай бұрын
In 1971, the only complete Campagnolo production bike that I know of was the Raleigh Pro, as almost every other bike, other than those from smaller, independent builders, came stock with something other than the expensive Campagnolo brakes. The Pro was around $425 US in 1971, which would be a bit under $3,300 in 2023 money. The Schwinn Paramount with stock Weinmann centerpulls and otherwise full-Campy was $350, or $2,700 in today's tender. Those prices would barely get you in the door of performance bikes, nowadays.
@krehme
9 ай бұрын
I couldn’t imagine using the vintage bike for "training". I would love to have a bike like that for a scenic spin where the full experience could be savored. Like Si said, no crusher climbs, just rolling, winding terrain.
@iansingleton
9 ай бұрын
The group set costs the same as a decent small family car! About £4k I think! That's beyond ridiculous! Sorry Simon, you know I love your films but there's nothing you can do or say about it that would ever make me pay 4k for just a group set! I'm sure someone will though! Now where's my mechanical 105 setup? It's just perfect😊
@kevincockburn7805
6 ай бұрын
The move to the huge spread of gears, is for most riders along with the ability to shift gears vie the brake levers, is the biggeat real change.
@LebronPhoto1
8 ай бұрын
I think you should have used the old style shoes to fit the toe clips and straps. They would lock your feet in more securely. As a former amateur racer in the 1970's, I wish I had not bought in to the small rear gear/large front crank concept. Many of the races I ran were hilly routes and having larger gears in the back would have helped significantly with the climbs.
@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842
9 ай бұрын
What if the two bikes had the same gear ratio? That shouldn't be too hard to test ;)
@markhancock7527
9 ай бұрын
I have a 531 steel Cliff shrubb frame which i recently refurbished with 10 speed Dura ace from 2008 it has compact gears of 34/50 & a 11/28 cassette i love riding it & I've ridden the frame on & off since i bought it in 1992,its now 3ib lighter than it was i even do TTs on it.I also have an 11 speed Daccordi carbon bike fitted with Ultega its a bit faster because its a kg lighter both bikes have soul & i enjoy both.
@pranjalverma231
2 ай бұрын
I would love to have the look of the old bicycle with the new tech if that is possible. I love the old design better than the new one looks too modern for me.
@seitenryu6844
8 ай бұрын
I'd really like to see how close you could get the gearing range between the bikes using period parts. TA made wide range doubles back then, and there were wide range freewheels.
@marcusdollard7330
9 ай бұрын
I had a condor in the early 80s with Campi Grupo we used to swap out the rear derailer for a suntour if I remember correctly shifted better I consider the pedal to be the best improvement
@boscoyu_sci
9 ай бұрын
NIce video. enjoyed it very much. Ut while be fun to be a video on a neo-retro bike and see how good this frame does with modern components
@mauricetremblay1324
9 ай бұрын
O would never trade my Specialized Roubaix for my 198’s Raleigh Criterium. Hay new year.
@The1trueDave
9 ай бұрын
I don't doubt Simon's ability to gauge his power output pretty accurately but not having measured data does leave a bit of a question mark over the results. Another time I wonder if you could ditch the clips & straps and just use power meter pedals on both bikes? That would allow you to keep power output at a set level and get a better idea of the true efficiency of each bike...
@robmarshall2529
9 ай бұрын
Never thought about it much before about a bike having a soul but so agree, I think of mine like friends with different personalities- my mountain bike is a bit lairy (would probably wear a no fear tee shirt) and dares me to do silly things. My road bike I think wants to explore and stay out and go further (usually more than me - is it just me or does anyone else argue with their bike about it getting late/darker and need to head home and the bike says no!). Wonder if they argue about which I like best when they are alone in the shed?
@jonyfany8763
9 ай бұрын
Love to see what the condor looks like in 50 years
@dh7314
9 ай бұрын
Probably the same as you and I. Out of touch but still existing
@jonyfany8763
9 ай бұрын
@@dh7314 I'll be 97...
@jonyfany8763
9 ай бұрын
Wonder what bikes will look like 50 years from now. 2073
@fredmcgough748
9 ай бұрын
Hi Simon. Could you address the price differences and how they changed and materials. Thanks. Happy New Year to all!
@chrissammels5444
8 ай бұрын
In 1967, a hand built Reynolds 531 lugged steel frame was £25. A Campag equipped custom built road bike amounted to £80. You could not buy an off the shelf, quality racing bike in Britain. A mass produced schoolboy “racer” was about £30. You could buy a race ready Peugeot PX10, but it was inferior and dated, and import duties made it disproportionately expensive for what it was. A weeks wage for a working man was between £10 and £15. A new car was around £600. A small house was about £2000.
@johanf9279
9 ай бұрын
Tommy Prim said that hos Bianchi from 1986 is just as convinient uphill as modern bikes.
@rudolphpyatt4833
9 ай бұрын
Steel is real, rim brakes for the win.
@csjrogerson2377
8 ай бұрын
Try riding up The Rock of Gibraltar (From the Dockyard gates to the cable car). I used to run it in my Navy days (1978-99) and modest times of 25 mins was the norm. Tried it on my carbon bike running 53-42 front and 12-25 rear. Not a hope. Needed a mountain bike gear set.
@fredmcgough748
9 ай бұрын
The geometry of the bike. How long and relaxed or how compact and quick. I ride 32mm tires on my steel commuter bike, but ride 25mm on my aluminum race bike.
@zachrichardson7099
9 ай бұрын
I cycle my granddad's 1998 peugeot with 105 5500 series. Even though the rear derailleur can take up to a 27 tooth, my shortest gear ratio is a 39 23.
@ianstewart8301
9 ай бұрын
What a classic bike! Beautiful! But man, it must’ve been hard with those toe straps! I hated those.
@brianrainey2739
9 ай бұрын
Si, how did you ride the toe clipped pedals without the necessary cleats with your modern CF soled shoes?
@mickking56
9 ай бұрын
I road the tore of the peaks 50 mile route on a Cinelli vigorelli 46/15 no walking also cecum navigated isle off Aron and past others with gears on the ups I was in my mid 50 at the time. its all in the mind.
@MrTaxiRob
9 ай бұрын
I've found climbing on FG bikes to be a lot easier. It's more like simply walking uphill than on a road bike where you waste a good portion of your power in every rev.
@helpmehelp3009
8 ай бұрын
I still got my Mercian, which I've had for 62 years. It's been all over the world with me. The missus recons it'll be in the box when i go. But i wouldn't spoil the paintwork.
@dre78
9 ай бұрын
Welcome to recycling network.
@johne7100
9 ай бұрын
In the mid-80's I buggered an ACL thanks to the big-gear/push-hard mentality of the time: 52/42 up front and 13-23 at the back. On modern gears I was doing the same climb pain-free at 75 last year. Nuff said. Re soul? Sure. If they don't have a soul what's the point of swearing at them or patting the saddle when you put them away after a good ride? Anthropomorphism rules. 😉
@Shellewell
9 ай бұрын
I think Si got so affected by the Italian groupset on that first time trial that he started turning into Super Mario with those noises 🤔
@touchdown4433
9 ай бұрын
Si chenneling is inner Doug.... THISSSSS
@glennpettersson9002
9 ай бұрын
I think the modern bike accommodates a wider range of abilities so you could buy and develop with that bike. The classic bike is a weapon for a developed rider, someone who " Doesn't need more gears " because they're an elite level athlete. What was achieved on the classic bike is incredible but the modern bike is not just good for business, it's good for everyone. 👍
@The9meister
8 ай бұрын
Good video, I wonder if most riders understand that when you are wearing all black, in the shadows of the road you are very hard to see, and other road users may not see you 😉
@davidhakes5141
9 ай бұрын
Since I don't race, I prefer the vintage bikes. And, steel frames, and rims.
@forbiddenera
6 ай бұрын
I can't even find box fresh components from 15 years ago 😢 (upgrade kit for my shocks 😢)
@Sensimentality
8 ай бұрын
Pro riders (have always) routinely change gear ratios for the course - So it is not fair to compare the bikes on whether you can get up hill or trying to ride as fast as you can on a downhill. BTW increase the large chain ring on the oldie and that 6% will probably vanish. I'd say the only real difference from a physics standpoint is the frame - that is a tangible improvement. Anyway, an outstanding rider like Greg leMond or Eddy Merckx would win on either bike regardless of the era.
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