Ive trained jun fan and a more pfs style JKD for over 10 years and currently am still. I have trained wing chun under a wong shun lineage well suited for combat for roughly 4 years and currently am still. I just wanted to chime in and say this is a VERY good informative episode and everything kung fu genius is saying in regards to the lack of understanding of WC in the JKD community is spot on. There is a reason most practioners abandon the WC bc it "doesnt work for combat".....well to frank, you were never taught WC.. of course bits here and bits there trying to super glue a puzzle together then throw it in the gumbo pot is not going to come to fruition in free flow aggressive fighting. WC takes a very dedicated student and imo a certain type of mind (subject to debate) ultimately learning WC from a competent WC sifu has taken my JKD to levels much higher than in my previous years without it , only learning pieces here and there. In mid/short bridge i truely just use the WC strictly. I know this episode is a very controversial topic in the JKD community BUT from my own experience....its spot on. Thank you for sharing 🤟
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
Great comment
@NNamesis
7 ай бұрын
Surely Bruce did learned something from Sigung Wong Shun Leung since he always hangs out at Sigung's house. Even to the extend of scamming his friends so that he could get a personal training....even when Bruce was in the US he still kept in touch with Sigung Wong. Which Sifu David Peterson had the opportunity to see those letters
@denfool902
2 ай бұрын
I met Wong Shun Leung in 1990 and was part of a private exhibition in Perth WA. The man was amazing, drank like a fish and was still so balanced. I learned more in 2 day then in the previous 10 years.
@kimzammit185
5 ай бұрын
The reason the first half of the dummy was taught early was because most of the movements were derived from the Siu Nim Tau and Chum Kiu forms. With the foot work and real world application of these two forms being significantly different from Biu Jee, some lineages believe its best not to confuse the student with wildly different concepts before they've properly bedded in the two original empty hand forms. Once the first half of the dummy movements have been mastered by the student, they then move onto complete the Biu Jee form, followed by the second half of the dummy which are predominantly Biu Jee movements.
@TheKungFuGenius
5 ай бұрын
I’m aware of this narrative as being used as the justification for why the old man taught the first half of the form to a segment of his students for a very brief segment of his entire teaching tenure. However, the things that were going on in his private life when he made this brief “change “to the order, also have to be taken into consideration. The old man required a red envelope for learning part or the entire wooden dummy form, and as he was in need for cash due to some extracurricular habits, it’s very well understood by many who learned before and after “the change” why the sudden justification for teaching the first half of the form popped up.
@miloshehmar5789
4 ай бұрын
Sifu Alex, first of all, I would say your podcast are EXCELLENT, you seem to be a good humble sifu which is very rare now days, GOD BLESS YOU MAN, to the point u would like to say, where I live in the UK, JEET KUNE DO CLASSES ARE RARE AND THE ONES THAT ARE AROUND ARE SHIT, I TOTALLY AGREE ON ALL PRINCIPLES YOU SAID ON WING CHUN, ALL THE SO CALLED INSTRUCTORS DONT LIKE WING CHUN OR TRAPPING, NEVER MIND ABOUT THE CHU SAO, DAN INOSANTO I BELIEVE DID GO TO HONG KONG AND STUDY THE REST OF WING CHUN AND DUMMY SETS, BUT I DONT LIKE JKD CONCEPTS, IVE GOT ENOUGH BOOKS, DVDS, ON JKD, JUST LOOKING FOR GOOD WING CHUN SCHOOL, MAYBE EVEN HUNG GAR AND JUST TRAIN HARD, GOD BLESS YOU, YOUR CHANNEL IS BRILLIANT
@TheKungFuGenius
4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@miloshehmar5789
4 ай бұрын
Sifu Alex, please forgive me for taking your time and boring you to death, I watched and read somewhere that BRUCE LEE trained with sifu fook yeung in wing chun, nobody really talks about this, I got to say that your kfg podcasts are brilliant, thankyou again, GOD BLESS
@TheKungFuGenius
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for commenting, I have discussed this a few times in various episodes of the podcast, although I can’t tell you what episode it is as we’ve done so many. I don’t think I am the right person to talk about this topic as I have not seen any evidence that would convince me that this is even remotely true. It doesn’t mean it’s not true. It just means I have not seen any evidence. Honestly, I would be a little shocked if it was true, but who knows I’m willing to be proven wrong. There are plenty of people who believe in this story mainly on the hearsay and stories of FY’s so called disciples. But there seems to be a lack of evidence that FY claimed that he taught Bruce some form of “red boat Wing Chun“ himself. This rumor seems to be coming from the mouths of noisemakers decades after the fact. The scant evidence we have about Bruce’s relationship with FY was nothing more than FY being an avuncular character in Bruce’s life, and perhaps teaching him some operatic style martial arts. The implication that FY had secretly or openly taught Bruce “red boat Wing Chun” is a much later accretion happening in more recent years a long time after Bruce had passed away. Of course the implication is that FY had taught some superior version via this red boat Wing Chun. I find this difficult to believe as no one at that time seem to have noticed that Bruce was learning a new style of Wing Chun. Also if this additional style of Wing Chun was so superior, it apparently was not enough for Bruce Lee to not evolve his style into JKD. Looking at what Bruce Lee actually did on the Wing Chun front until his death looks very standard WSL mixed with his JKD stance and does not look anything like me more traditional and operatic “red boat wing chun“ People love these stories of secretly revealed styles taught by some unknown in the back of a restaurant. History tells us that this is very rarely a truthful trope. In any case when we look at how Bruce Lee developed his art into the mid and late 60s it doesn’t seem that what FY taught him was the final word on anything as Bruce was continuing to seek. From my view there is just no evidence and this is why people don’t really talk about it.
@miloshehmar5789
4 ай бұрын
I am so thankful you took time out to answer me, bless you my friend, I appreciate it, I will go through more of your podcast, simply brilliant, GOD BLESS YOU MY FRIEND, KEEP UP THE BRILLIANT WORK
@bieddruhuggyfalsaperla5447
7 ай бұрын
I don't even do martial arts. I just stayed for the Cantonese tutorial.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Love it!
@kbreeze6969
5 ай бұрын
Like most people on this planet, Bruce has his faults, but he was honest with himself. If he was still living, and was asked if he was the all time greatest…, his probable response would be……. If I tell you I’m good, you’ll probably think I’m boasting, but if i tell you I’m no good, You’ll know I’m lying!
@digitadigita3578
7 ай бұрын
Bruce Lee is a unique fighter. He constantly trains his mind to deal with all sorts of problems. If you place him in modern day setting and say someone like Betty Ting Pei tries to blackmail him and threaten to post their sex photos all over social media, he would post those photos himself first. Thats the fighter we all know him to be.
@JKDandWingChun
3 ай бұрын
Great discussion. As always, very informative and balanced.
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
You have a great channel by the way!
@JKDandWingChun
3 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius wow! That’s greatly appreciated, my friend. Keep up the good work…loving it…and we’re all better because of it.
@JKDVIPER
7 ай бұрын
34:24 New thread. Ya, not knowing the ideas behind the forms. So crucial to know those. To understand that GAANG SAO is a shifting huen sao motion and quan goes with covers and jum and pak and tan and pak with lop and push all work in tandem. You’re 💯percent correct, people be skipping that stuff. ❤46:41 I just popped one up too. Show DRIZZY my BEEFY CHOY’s. 😂❤❤❤playing obviously. I meant that those moves CAN BE used that way. Not trying to play boss. Just sharing what I know. 😎💡
@albertbryant9996
6 ай бұрын
I'm a JKD guy, but I'm also a Wing Chun Do guy through James DeMile's student Rocco Ambrose. Who became grandmaster of the Wing Chun Do System I went The ceremony Where Sijo James DeMille folded his hands & handed his life's work to Rocco Ambrose, but I love to study Wing Chun to because Dan Inosanto told Me To always keep a student/white belt mentality because you'll be hungry to learn things rather than have a black belt mentality who's more set in their ways and not really always ready to learn new things or even study a whole entire new system because they feel as if their a master of what they do already & want to only progress in what they do now!
@TheKungFuGenius
6 ай бұрын
Well said!
@JOHNROBERTCRUZ
7 ай бұрын
IMO - Enough to forever change the world of Martial Arts study and application...
@CinematicTendency
7 ай бұрын
The British Academy of English Language entered the Chat…
@jasonkeaton5140
4 ай бұрын
Good point about learn via videos . I studied with several teachers and i couldnt imagine trying to figuure wing chun out with only video. Seems ridiculous that people would believe that woukd be equivalent
@fletchkeilman2205
7 ай бұрын
Impeach Churchill!!! Hey KFG...I hope this helps the algorithm. Much love.
@fletchkeilman2205
7 ай бұрын
Wing Chun gumbo. Got it.
@jonathanmartinez8572
7 ай бұрын
Envious of your library, I bet there are all kinds of great books I would love to read.
@talentbong7446
7 ай бұрын
Just a casual listener here who doesn't practice Eng Choon, but I agreed on how easy it is to interpret everything in a modern / pusedo modern lens since everyone only knows what they experienced and have been exposed to. Perhaps due to this, my opinions will essentially sound like Bullshido while still making sense within the context of my environment as well as evolutionary factors occurring on the styles that I am exposed to.
@tharealjonrubio1653
7 ай бұрын
If your skipping steps, should a Wing Chun Sifu learn a Baat Jam Do form from video without knowing application and not seeking to learn application from a qualified Sifu? And on top of that teach the video form to students
@albert20001000
7 ай бұрын
No you're very right, there' many people who feel they're master just by KZitem alone.
@mgk22
5 ай бұрын
Sifu Richter, do you think its possible for someone who say has been practicing Wing Chun for 30-40 years and learned everything up to the Long Pole but never learned the Butterfly Knives could learn them from videos??
@TheKungFuGenius
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for writing. I’m not of the opinion that such details can be transmitted through video. There are many details from the basic string training to have a knife is held, to how the knife must chop, depending on the different angles of movement. Then there is the form and its details, but most importantly application. I don’t know a single video that transmits all of that adequately. Perhaps future technology will solve that!
@ramondiaz2851
7 ай бұрын
I agree 100 % I learned quickly in y tube videos, but, I do not really understand like the instructor does!! Neither can I teach it like him !!! Takes years !!
@axelstone3131
3 ай бұрын
Just came across another absurd comment “@nelsbrown3674 • 11 days ago (edited) @raygsbrelcik5578 I know of one incident where Bruce went to a dojo in Boston. He tried to show off to the guys at George Mattson's Uechi Ryu dojo. The result was that he learned the lessons... like, what's it like to have your kicks stuffed and wind up on the dojo floor. In another incident, he visited the Goju Kai dojo in the Bay area and said he wanted to spar with the Sensei. A couple of senior students put on a sparring demo for Bruce. After that he just complimented their school and left. So, maybe he didn't get "trounced," but he sure as fuck didn't demonstrate his god-like superiority, either.” 🤦♂️🤣
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
Funny how none of these stories were around when he was alive. They come out much later from people no one has ever really heard of and they always describe Bruce behaving in a way which is at odds with what he was like in every other scenario we have evidence for. Asking the spar with a random karate dudes. Jesus Christ.
@axelstone3131
3 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius 🤣 they are absurd. It’s frustrating and annoying all at the same time. One other guy left a HUGE reply to me yesterday, said Bruce was all hype, only reason people talked great about him is because they somehow “benefited” from talking positively about him. How does that work? Nobody made any money or got famous by talking Bruce Lee up 🤦♂️ what logic is that. Bruce never even was in Boston was he? This guy was so bitter and angry in the comment. It was as if Bruce did something to him personally. Said Bruce lost “lots” of fights. Because everyone does, apparently. Which isn’t true. Who beat him? Where? How?. Just lie after lie. And that he was a “nobody” before his movie career, which is again false. He become known because of his martial arts abilities, then he was discovered. He also claimed in regard to me mentioning Ed Hart getting tied up and being stopped in his tracks, that any 6ft 4 “untrained” guy could just grab Bruce and “pummel him” 🤣 how??? I could post the comment but don’t want to spam you. It was just mental. And the guy had reply notifications turned off cause he never replied back to me, also has his name as a “.” So I couldn’t tag him either. His name was Kelly, and he has a profile picture of a cat. No videos, no nothing in his channel lol. Any fights Bruce has were of course against “nobodies” as well. Why would Bruce, who was confidence in his abilities, and stopped people in there tracks, which most people seem unable to do, go around to random karate places and say “you want this smoke!? Fight me bro” 🤣 Like you said, Bruce wasn’t a lunatic who went around picking fights with people. Who even are these people leaving these insane comments 🤦♂️
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
@axelstone3131 good thing random sock puppet accounts on KZitem aren’t being interviewed for actual historical books about Bruce Lee. Next time tell them to make a video showing their facts. They will have to show their faces and that’s enough to keep them back in the dank recesses of sock puppetry.
@davidc8985
7 ай бұрын
I've been watching some videos on daoism which is pronounced like "d" and yet they spelled it with a "t"? And some of them talk about the 2 or 3 different translation systems they used back in the day, and they usually clarify they'll be using the updated "d" spelling. I think it's kind of aggravating how they used a k for a g in Kung Fu. Gong fu. Whatever. But whyyyyyy????
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Should be pronounced with a “D”
@WholeCosmos
7 ай бұрын
This podcast was like a rerun of older podcasts....pronunciation Blah blah bruce wasn't fully trained blah blah blah....LOL I still watched and enjoyed it LOL. Like Luke Skywalker too old to learn was Bruce and incomplete was his training..... but Luke and Bruce were both warrior fighters who used what they did learn and kept learning from others as their life paths diverged from their masters. This is the way of or the path of the warrior,.... the Do. Be like water my friends....keep flowing forward in the path of least resistance and scour every bank of knowledge you flow by to learn more about not just martial arts but the nature of yourself and your inseparability from the WHOLECOSMOS.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Next time I’ll be “more like water”, flow like the tao, be one with the force, align my warrior shakras, and avoid substantive talk about issues that have caused misunderstandings for westerners. I’ll refer to Bruce only in terms of being a warrior fighter instead of humanizing him with blah blah blah like what he actually did or didn’t learn. Because if there is one thing that is not played out in the world of Bruce Lee, it’s “be water” and “warrior”. Why discuss facts when we can reduce a man to new age nonsense? “Be a cliche my friend” - every modern Bruce Lee fan
@eddierivera1860
7 ай бұрын
WSL and William Cheung taught BL more than IP MAN did . Wasnt BL turned away from IP Mans kwoon?
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
He wasn’t turned away but that’s the “urban legend” - some nonsense about Bruce not being full-blooded Chinese and all the rest of it. That is the worn out trope. Yes, you’re right that he would’ve learned and practiced more with those two gentlemen. However, that was not the topic of this video as I don’t think anyone calls that into question. It was more about the contents of what he specifically learned.
@milescoleman910
7 ай бұрын
if he started training at 13-14 but he immigrated at 18 (1959) What was he doing after if he trained for only two years. Heard various stories of fighting on rooftops Vs Choi Li Fut guys but was he picking up other stuff?
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Great comment. He actually started a little bit later as he did not begin his.Wing Chun training until he started going to SFX at 15.
@eneckchalk
5 күн бұрын
Bruce is practicing Bil Jee on the balcony in Return of The Dragon at what's her face's place.
@TheKungFuGenius
5 күн бұрын
That is not the biu ji form nor technique - it looks closer to southern mantis (if it's anything at all).
@eneckchalk
4 күн бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius I haven't seen the footage in decades. I took a look and I can only pin point a double Bil Jee strike, so no form but a technique none the less. You do know that Wing Chun is a hoj poj of techniques and ever growing and meant to adapt where it's underlying philosophies are more permanent. I was going off of some vague faded memories. Still Bil Jee and yes praying Mantis is in there. Now watching it, I would break down the sequence as follows... 1. Trapping arm movement with left arm. Right arm backfist (Wing Chun). 2. Followed by a Praying Mantis technique, both arms, definitely his right arm having a 100% PrMa form and involving an either modified eye strike, because it's a two fingered strike but also bears a resemblance to Hungar or Crane strike, because it's not a sweeping movement that would be going across the face, as in PM or could just be PM. 3. Double Bil Jee strike. 4. Then an arm break (Wing Chun) /transitional move the leads into a tan sao that is clearing the way for a Karate /Tae Kwon Do punch where ordinarily the left arm's fist would be closed as in the full technique of K or TKD. The man clearly having a mastery knowledge of multiple arts. It's absolutely beautiful that seen. Bruce exchanged with many people, studied a lot of manuals if you will, the way they do in them old Kung Full flicks/ read a lot of books. You can see him using Jack Demseys punching techniques/ principles in his fight scene with Carolos aka Chuck. I watched the very first side kick Yueng Sze (Bolo) throws at the beginning of The Bruce Lee Clones I think it's called and you can tell that Bruce showed / taught him a thing or two about the sidekick as well as the movements of one of his stunt men after Bruce had passed, the movements in a scene where I think he's playing Bruce in a fight sequence in an enclosed garden. Very interesting. I often stumble upon some cool videos of yours when I'm tired and wanted to throw my two cents in hoping not to be argumentative, of which I'm sure I've failed lol. I probably got pissed like you do hahaha. Side note* I think you're hugely mistaken about there not being a cause for Raymond or others to want to off Bruce. I'm saving that "argument' haha for when I'm not falling asleep, but let me give a super short summary by saying that Bruce was a thousand times better and deadlier in real life then in his movies and the Bruce Lee exploitation films weren't fully exploiting him but contain very interesting facts of which emanated from yet unconfirmed accounts. I think the man was so good, that he had not only inadvertently destroyed the carriers of many a star but ruined the industry as a whole for directors and producers who where accustomed to having multiple stars simultaneously, you just couldn't shine while Bruce was alive if you were an action "star". The man was the truth in real life and his charisma on stage... no one could compete with that. The man most definitely was costing the industry money and I believe you are underestimating how the Triad functioned and all the accounts and conspiracies of which have a pinch of truth in them, they have to and if they do. I have a boat load of more to say. Just my 2 cents of course. I'll catch you later. Ha! Genius ; ) Great shows btw. 👍👍 I'm a fan bruh.
@Raygar67
7 ай бұрын
Kung fu genius, love your show and your an eloquent speaker, if you come across the latest Viking interview My name is Ray and I was just interviewed on the Viking show to speak on Michael Jai white , I’m a old high schoolmate, I trained in jkd, and explained my experience the best I can, so don’t kill me on my take on it, I was nervous as hell and I’m not the best interviewee, but I appreciate your technical analysis on jkd and wingchun, and Bruce Lee. Keep up the good work peace and Ooosh🙏🏼 Ray
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Congrats on getting on VS! I’ll check it out. Thanks for your awesome comment.
@winddragonmma
7 ай бұрын
I appreciate your videos! Cool history on Wing Chun.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@prfu1222
7 ай бұрын
My Sifu started teaching me the dummy while I was finishing the 3rd form. And as I got near the end of the dummy. I started my pole training. I cannot see how someone can learn these forms without the proper correction. KZitem is like a Pandora's box.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@aquaticlibrary
7 ай бұрын
Gotta check out that Gong Sau Wong book
@maykellavarrereschavez664
7 ай бұрын
gracias por compartir sus conocimientos. Saludos desde Cuba.
@garethsmith8672
7 ай бұрын
Great podcast, once again. Sorry I missed it yesterday. Thank you.
@kuo.taichi
7 ай бұрын
Great episode! Since you only do Patreon questions, here's an IDEA for a future episode! Would love to hear your thoughts about Bruce Lee's method for synthesizing different Martial Arts styles in comparison to how earlier syntheses such as Kajukenbo or Choy Li Fut systems were merged together from other systems. E.g., was JKD really a different approach, or merely one of the more recent in a long line of styles building upon those that came before?
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Noted!
@dwuonw6438
6 ай бұрын
After this podcast, if I ever train at your school in NY, I am completely hiding the fact, that I trained in WC for 2yrs 😂
@TheKungFuGenius
6 ай бұрын
Why’s that?
@ramondiaz2851
7 ай бұрын
I did not know Bruce learned the 2nd form!!
@florisvanlingen
7 ай бұрын
I think he learned Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu, Dan Chi Sau, Poon Sau, Chi Sau, first set on the dummy.
@ruiseartalcorn
7 ай бұрын
Some great points. Many thanks :)
@CinematicTendency
7 ай бұрын
New equipment, kid! 🤌🏻
@db90990
6 ай бұрын
Bruce said he learned more from Wong than he did from ip man
@TheKungFuGenius
6 ай бұрын
No one questions that, the deeper question (which Sifu Peterson has since answered) is “how much/what specifically” he learned from the late Wong Sifu.
@Andy-ud1gd
7 ай бұрын
The beauty of JKD is that you only need to train a system for two minutes before you can start teaching it. JKD is the first woke martial art. Do whatever you want and claim there are no consequences. As a Full Instructor in JKD. I would go so far as saying, that JKD people claiming to do wing chun, is an insult to wing chun. First of all they have reduced wing chun to a hand/arm motion. And secondly a system is defined among other on how it creates power and on its principles. Not on a hand motion/technique. Some eclectic form of Chinese Kickboxing is not the same as wing chun. Also I've yet to see a fellow JKD practitioner, that didn't violate the major wing chun principles, the split second they started to move.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Fantastic comment! Much appreciated.
@docbohemian1328
7 ай бұрын
When I started training in JKD at 15, over 40 years ago, I began researching Wing Chun and practicing it. While Wayne Belonoha is my primary WC Sifu, I avail myself of different lineages because I love the art. While I am not as accomplished in JKD as you (Phase One under Vunak), I appreciate what you wrote, here. Much respect to you.
@Andy-ud1gd
7 ай бұрын
@@docbohemian1328 Thank you. 🙏
@colreef
7 ай бұрын
Another fine episode, despite the dissing of Great Britain! At least we can spell properly Mr KFG!!😂😂
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
It’s all in good fun - I drive a John Cooper Works MINI with Union Jack taillights.
@colreef
7 ай бұрын
@TheKungFuGenius yes I love abit of banter.All good.
@florisvanlingen
7 ай бұрын
I was discussing John Little's book with my Wing Chun teacher, specifically the accounts of the skills test between Wong Shun Leung and Bruce Lee as described by Wan Kam Leung. Although my teacher is not deeply involved in politics or Wing Chun lore, he was surprised to learn that Bruce supposedly had the upper hand. During one of his dinners with Wong Shun Leung, my teacher learned that near the end of Bruce's life, Wong and Bruce compared skills, and Bruce expressed a desire to complete his Wing Chun training under Wong. This might have been Wong's account of their 11-hour conversation, in which they delved into topics such as JKD, Wing Chun, and life philosophy. Note that Wong observed that Bruce, during this period, was noticeably weaker than before, possibly lacking the strength and speed needed to persuade Wong of certain concepts from when they had initially tested them. In their earlier test of skills, Bruce Lee was trying to showcase his Jeet Kune Do, but from what I've seen, he was never able to convince Wong that this art belonged to anyone other than Bruce himself. While I acknowledge that this information is hearsay, I trust my teacher's account, as he is not involved in Wing Chun politics and has no motive to fabricate this information. Additionally, this aligns with Bruce's later involvement in chi sau later in life.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
I trust Wan Kam Leung’s take as 1) he was there, 2) it’s a statement against interest (WKL would naturally be biased towards WSL, yet here he favors BL). Statements against interest are powerful tools for historians because they are more reliable than statements from those with clear bias. For example Jewish archaeologists who wanted to prove the myths of Exodus could not find a single shred of evidence that it existed. The hearsay about Bruce’s weakened strength is not something that can be calculated into this story. It’s simple padding on to confirm one’s own narrative. It also doesn’t say much that if WSL bested Bruce it was only because Bruce was in a weakened state. Whether or not WSL was still better than Bruce, Bruce still probably wanted to finish the dummy or other advanced techniques. Two things can be true at once.
@florisvanlingen
7 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius The key takeaway from my comment was not to dispute Wan Kam Leung's account of what happened in April 1973 when Bruce invited Wong and Wan to his home. I do trust most of Wan Kam Leung's take, although he goes into a suspicious amount of detail. In Wong's supposed own account of what happened published by one of his 1gen students, Wong anticipated that his physical strength might not match bruce's but contrary to his expectations, however, Bruce's force was not as overwhelming as in 1971 when he returned to Hong Kong. According to Wan Kam Leung, Wong was inspired by Bruce to make adjustments to his training, particularly regarding explosive footwork, including adapting Bruce Lee's recommendation to keep the heel off the ground for increased mobility. However, I see no evidence of Wong actually teaching his students, starting in 1973, to raise the heel of the back foot off the ground. On the contrary, some emphasize the importance of the back foot pointing towards the direction of travel with the heel flat on the ground, which initially is even more demobilizing than letting the back foot point out a bit, as Wong does himself What I meant by hearsay was that Wong Shun Leung spoke with my teacher about Bruce telling him he wanted to learn more Wing Chun and/or to finish his training under Wong. Which is ofcourse contrary to the popular belief that Bruce Lee ditched Wing-Chun.
@florisvanlingen
7 ай бұрын
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth link?
@Ving_Tsun_Devotee
7 ай бұрын
According to Wong Shun-Leung himself Wan Kam Leung wasn't there at all. This tale is part of the origin story of WKL practical wing chun. WSL senior students like Tommy Yuen really hated WKL about that, plus some other doubtful things, like I was told after visiting WKL's school, that WKL falsified some paperwork and certifications by some senior students of Tommy. Enough stuff to distrust WKL account, since I heard floris teacher version from many other WSL students both in Europe and Hongkong.
@florisvanlingen
7 ай бұрын
@@Ving_Tsun_Devotee To add to that, the argument presented in John Little's book suggests that since Wan Kam Leung is a student of Wong, he may be inclined to favor Wong, asserting that Wong had the upper hand. Contrary to expectations, he stated that Bruce had the advantage, making his statement challenging to dispute, according to John. This is purely speculative, but Wan Kam Leung might have had an external motive for siding with Bruce Lee. Even during his training under Wong Shun Leung, Wan was already experimenting with practical Wing Chun. As far as I've heard, Wong did not appreciate the changes Wan attempted to make to Wing Chun and prohibited Wan from representing Wong Shun Leung's teachings if he taught his own method, which included Chi Gong. Consequently, Wan had to establish differentiation in the name of his system. By asserting that Bruce Lee triumphed in a comparison of skills with Wong, Wan Kam Leung could provide an argument and justification for creating his Practical Wing Chun system. If you lay WKL and WSL's accounts of what happened side by side there's a lot of contradictions.
@ronnieuy7253
7 ай бұрын
Kwok Fu interview on Yip Man, Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee's father and Wong Shun Leung kzitem.info/news/bejne/maupvHWkcIeJpZwsi=rtVPO4NBejyh7xmV
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
How Kwok Fu knew what was going on in Hong Kong when he was stuck in communist Fatshan during those years is beyond me. Was he chatting with Ip Man on his iPhone daily to get this scoop? Thanks for sharing by the way. Sifu Subtitles does good work. But great Googly Moogly does Kwok Fu have a chip on his shoulder for the irrelevance of his group over the later Hong Kong guys.
@bryantfeld4709
6 ай бұрын
Another great podcast, facts...
@TheKungFuGenius
6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@cestrell
7 ай бұрын
Excellent episode, Sifu. I really appreciate how you delved into the mindset of the 50's and 60's vs. today. Today's attitudes are so very different and that's not even including the Chinese vs. Western cultural differences. Thank you.
@sifusubtitles
7 ай бұрын
Great insights as usual 👍
@NapoleonGelignite
3 ай бұрын
Opium was almost completely unavailable in 50-60s HK. Yip Man was addicted to Heroin, which he started taking after arriving in Hong Kong because he was already addicted to opium.
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
Ummmm.... nope this is not what the facts bear out.
@NapoleonGelignite
3 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius - it’s not a slur against YM. The seizures of opium vs heroin were 20:1 in the 60s. The 14k were the main importers and f both opium and heroin, and heroin was much much easier to smuggle. There’s no difference in terms of addictive properties between opium and heroin, whatever the propaganda says. It’s possible Yip Man was one of a handful of addicts who paid a large premium for prepared opium over diamorphine, but it seems unlikely.
@TheKungFuGenius
3 ай бұрын
@NapoleonGelignite I have it on very good evidence that it was in fact opium, and he had the photograph of the great inspector Tang Sang, a detective with triad connections himself, in his wallet to avoid issues with the authorities.
@NapoleonGelignite
3 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius - I will take your word for it; I doubt my connections are as good as yours in this area. My friend said opium and heroin were interchangeable terms in HK in the 60s, with the wealthy buying opium, and most people heroin or opium if/when it was available. I have zero direct knowledge of Yip Mans habits and was extrapolating from general to the specific.
@briandunne2153
2 ай бұрын
The Chinese didn't want to trade with the British so they said that they would only trade in exchange for silver the Chinese had most of it so the British grew opium in Goa and smuggled it into China in exchange for silver. Opium was illegal in China they made millions of addicts. The Opium wars were a result. When Hong Kong was returned to China a famous company had relocate Jardine were a trading co they were involved in the opium smuggling and China never forgive them @@NapoleonGelignite
@DN-zz1ii
7 ай бұрын
Nice office! Love the books.
@JKDVIPER
7 ай бұрын
22:00 I had to start a new one. Yikes. You have some good ideas going on here. 🤩👍the experience thing. People doing Wing Chun for a couple years and claiming to be masters. To me, I notice none of these guys do any hits? DK YOO? Nope. All fake play fight flicking. That stupid RAILGUN EYE JAB he does will probably only hurt his hand if anything. Master WONG I think can actually fight I’m pretty sure. Not saying he’s top level. I saw some of his training material and it wasn’t curriculum. It was Out of order. Supposed to start with SIL NIM TAO and covering and QUAN SAO. Tying and bundling. Learning CHI SAO was how I learned. My left FOOK is a BUI GEE to that eye. My inside TAN is a punch. All we do is move over and DETACH. ❤jkd chi Sao is Sword and hammer. 💯💡
@CinematicTendency
7 ай бұрын
Chuckles697 entered the Chat…
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
That dude is always in the chat
@CinematicTendency
7 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius What?! So, he’s real? Lol
@leestephenfitzpatrick6373
7 ай бұрын
Didn't Bruce continue to learn Wing Chun from the red boat Sifu Fook Yueng, one of his father's old friends, when he arrived back in the US.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Nope
@ZaddyZavid
6 ай бұрын
God knows not wing chun doe@@Bartron_Flat_Earth
@brennansnowdon4642
6 ай бұрын
He trained with Fook Yeung for about 5 years in usa
@TheKungFuGenius
6 ай бұрын
His “training” with FY becomes more and more intense with every year since he passed away. FY was a minor avuncular character in Bruce’s life when he was in Seattle and now the former opera actor has turned into a “Red Boat Wing Chun” master who taught Bruce secret Wing Chun which still wasn’t good enough for Bruce to not need to create JKD. Give it another 10 years and Fook Yeung would have helped Bruce write Way of the Dragon and choreographed him and Chuck.
@ZaddyZavid
6 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius lulz
@marlonhillard1468
7 ай бұрын
Great info!! Thank you.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
You’re welcome!
@jamesbailey7248
5 ай бұрын
To gain some clarity on the topic, ask Sifu Duncan Leung (Leung Shiu Hung) as they trained together and both of them were disciples of Ip Man. This will also help many to stop using stories that were more than likely relayed several generations down the line, and Sifu Duncan Leung is a direct source. Of course , one should use many sources as close to the time period as possible to alleviate untruths, bias, and some times just not knowing or issues with memory as the topic happened over 50 years ago.
@NNamesis
7 ай бұрын
According to Sifu David Peterson, there's 2 person that Bruce Lee can't beat. Yip Man and Wong Shun Leung
@NNamesis
7 ай бұрын
@@Bartron_Flat_Earthhe himself had used it in kickboxing. And Wong Shun Leung also showed he's preparation before a Beimo. And he had seen A LOT, knows every Beimo fights told by Wong Shun Leung
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
I like how you require evidence of WSL’s fights but you accept conspiracy pseudo scientific nonsense on the literal shape of the earth. Compartmentalization and echo chamber demonstrated here folks.
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Do nothing people are always so quick to criticize other peoples achievements. Most people who have some degree of satisfaction in their life do not comment like Mr. Flat Earth over here. They are either happy in their knowledge of ultimate truth (lol) or they simply don’t get their panties in a twist when other people don’t share their worldview. The reactions are funny, they show a lack of confidence in one’s position, rather than the other way around.
@NNamesis
7 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius ...well said!
@megatafiq1568
4 ай бұрын
Sifu David also said that Wong Shun Leung had mention that Bruce Lee is his best student
@albertbryant9996
7 ай бұрын
Did Wong Shun Leung Fight Bruce Lee & Lose Wing Chun vs Jeet Kune Do? I heard Bruce Lee defeated Master Wong!
@florisvanlingen
7 ай бұрын
The event is described in John Little's book: Wrath of The Dragon
@bradleyfaulkner1669
7 ай бұрын
That's Wong jack man not wong shun leung
@cestrell
6 ай бұрын
BL visited WSL to both honor his Sihing (elder Kung Fu brother) and they "exchanged ideas" after BL had developed JKD. WSL said to his student Wan Kam Leung that BL seriously bruised WSL's arm with his kicks but WSL got his in, too. Wasn't an actual fight and it was a learning experience for both men. I get the feeling that after that meeting, BL made even more changes to JKD.
@Danny-el7ok
7 ай бұрын
Bruce flung wing chun away according to his students
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
Even if that were true, which it’s not, that’s not the topic of this video. It’s mind-boggling how people are so quick to comment without actually paying attention to what the discussion was about.
@Danny-el7ok
7 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius he went more fencing and boxing jkd is in the west not east guro dan says that many times I learned wong shun leung lineage bruce kept thr bill jee he also could lap sao sifu Larry from standing straight to thr ground that was main stuff he kept the difference from jun fan to wing chun is Jun fan doesn't use thr forms I have it on tape from the 80 90 his students saying this
@Danny-el7ok
7 ай бұрын
One other thing its quite funny actually sifu larry got taught sil lim tao he got drafted to the army practice it for a year came back to bruce and bruce said we r not doin that anymore we r doin jab cross hook @@TheKungFuGenius
@TheKungFuGenius
7 ай бұрын
@Danny-el7ok yep, I remember hearing about that some 30 years ago. But when you’ve had access to Bruce Lee’s Chinese letters which he wrote late in his Hong Kong period, you are not swayed as much by secondhand stories from “I heard so and so said”.
@Danny-el7ok
7 ай бұрын
@@TheKungFuGenius what wing chun lineage do you feel is the best lineage in uk wong shun leung lineage is the best under nino barnardo compared to thr rest in uk
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