In Australia the cam will cost you about $900 and a set of lifters is about $1200 and those are pretty much starting prices with better quality lifters costing much more. For small block chrysler, chev is always a bit cheaper. Flat tappet cam is around $400 and lifters around $200.
@maxhames499
10 ай бұрын
Don't forget distributor gear cam button and cover springs in head and so on
@scottanderson2403
10 ай бұрын
Your right mate, here in Nz roller lifters start at $15-1600
@smashedfootlefty4726
10 ай бұрын
They should start calling Australia down over, not down under, cuz everything is over priced...
@flinch622
10 ай бұрын
Exhange [0.65 before the bank adds its spread in the mix], plus...vat taxes are highly regressive/punitive - a growth killer. Throw 10% leveraged off import duty, and thats the lions share of cost difference. I support Australia making more go-fast bits [even if it gives the greenies a stroke]
@TimothyArnott-m7z
10 ай бұрын
I own a Pontiac, here in the States, my cost, is NOWHERE NEAR what Dan is sayin......he's trying to help, but you sir being an Aussie, and me trying to keep my Pontiac alive, WE are outside his window of cost.....yea, I poked at him for it, but this is a GREAT site, and he's a good dude....CHEERS Mate!!
@pacman3908
10 ай бұрын
Great video for around 600 bucks thats a good deal for a roller cam set up ,and you can sleep at night for fear of flat tapper failure for sure
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Very true!
@tracycurtright2671
10 ай бұрын
If you loose a cam it will likely damage the pistons too. They may look OK but it will pack iron particles into the skirts. If you don't think so wash the pistons in water and let them dry. If there's iron in the skirts they will show up as rusts spots on the skirts.
@pete540Z
10 ай бұрын
Glad someone brought this up. I've talked to plenty of people who've seen cams wipe and one of the big tickets is the new set of pistons and rings and a hone, if not a bore as well. One other thing is that you can probably get a better torque/hp situation out of a roller while keeping the idle vacuum the same, etc.
@ShortArmOfGod
4 ай бұрын
Well then keep them tight.
@johnwilleford7715
10 ай бұрын
I don't understand. It sounds like you are saying flat tappit stuff is just junk?? It's all I have ever put together and I have had no problems. And I am a amateur. Are people not lubricating things properly during assembly ? Just trying to understand. I have not built anything in a long time and I realize things change.
@Shop209
10 ай бұрын
I’ve been using the Delphi HL66 lifters and haven’t had any issues with my FT cams but I’m still switching to rollers on everything because the price isn’t as far away as it used to be. Good video.
@carlpreston1680
10 ай бұрын
I've had good luck with a GM performance parts lifter that has a hardened tool steel foot Make sure you buy them from summit though not the Chevy dealership there too expensive at the Chevy dealership I think they're the same lifters they use in those high-performance crate motors for certain racing classes
@Texasmule
10 ай бұрын
@@carlpreston1680 only thing that changes is the quality of the pin that actually holds the roller. I found out through screwing up a lot of cheap lifters.
@gordocarbo
2 ай бұрын
@@carlpreston1680 Its many many many yrs since you could buy real Chevy FT lifters esp a solid from a dealership. Never seen them on summit either, all discontinued. What PN did you buy?
@carlpreston1680
2 ай бұрын
@@gordocarbo it's been a couple years since I bought them I'll have to see if I have the part number still , The same lifter at the local Chevy dealership was almost $400 for the set they were cheaper at summit racing
@carlpreston1680
2 ай бұрын
@@gordocarbo the summit part number is 12371044 but these are the hydraulic flat tappet
@davidmitchell7183
10 ай бұрын
Funny how times change. In the 1960's when I was growing up. The "common knowledge" was that roller lifters couldn't survive on the street because they required almost perfectly clean oil. Roller cams and lifters were considered "race only". I just finished overhauling a 3.5 liter Nissan engine that spun a rod bearing. At 160,000 miles and terrible maintenance, I reused the bucket lifters, they were fine. Something stinks in the supply chain for aftermarket American cars. That said, life is too short and I agree that rollers are the way to go.
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty
10 ай бұрын
Back in "the day", spring tech wasn't were it's at today, the grind tech wasn't, lifters, etc. It wasn't really wise to run a race roller on the streets, it wouldn't last a week or two on a daily driver!
@smashedfootlefty4726
10 ай бұрын
Just think of the one time price increase as an insurance plan that you only have to pay once initially, not every month... Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights!
@funkysawmanwright5077
10 ай бұрын
Of course everyone bases engine rebuild and upgrade costs on small block chevys.......well all of us dont have a chevy!!!!!! If you can retrofit my 385 series BBF with roller cam to duplicate stock use and stock heads and stock valvetrain for less than 900 i will send you my engine. Good luck finding a 112 lsa, 192- 204 duration .467 and .486 lift, 460 bbf roller cam, which in hyd flat tappet form is a stock equivalent replacement. 7.9:1 in these 80's fords is not anything but stock cam friendly. I dont need more power, just need reliability
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
We have them....
@jesse75
10 ай бұрын
Delta Cam in Tacoma will grind that for you.
@CharlesCullumber
10 ай бұрын
You are making a video about price and you don't really seem to know what things cost. Every time I go to by all the parts, it always cost more than I'm being told. Just saying.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Maybe you should buy from a different source....
@kd6tas
10 ай бұрын
The best advice I heard about flat tappet cams was: 1. At least during break-in run an oil filter pre-screen (Moroso MOR-23845) and plug the bypass so all of the oil has to go through the filter. 2. Mark the pushrods and make sure they all rotate properly. If you see one or more that is rotating slowly or not at all, use your fingers to help get it/them going. If you can't get it/them going, you have to stop and figure it out.
@TT64NOVASS
10 ай бұрын
Damn good advice !
@kd6tas
10 ай бұрын
But wait there's more: 1. To increase the chance of success, use a nitrided cam or DLC treated lifters. 2. Check for proper pushrod rotation at intervals throughout the life of the engine. For example, immediately after cam/lifter break-in, after the first 10 to 20 hours of operation (500 - 1000 miles), and at every or every other oil change depending on the interval. 3. A set of old valve covers with windows cut out makes viewing pushrod rotation less messy. 4. In some cases, to lessen the mess, pushrod rotation can be checked at cranking speed. Be careful. Don't let it go unless you're sure every pushrod is rotating properly. If you have to run the engine to be sure, do it. That's just how it is these days with flat tappet cams.
@patrickm.8425
10 ай бұрын
Just going off of Comp Cams website: Comp Solid Roller Cam Cam: 11-717-9 $505.95 Lifters: 819-16 $587.95 Springs: 947-16 $484.95 Valve Locks: 612-16 $38.95 Steel Retainers: 722-16 $387.95 Dist. Gear: 12200 $143.95 Total: $2,149.70 Comp Solid Flat Tappet Cam Cam: 11-613-5 $324.95 Lifters: 800-16 $278.95 Springs: 924-16 $154.95 Valve Locks: 612-16 $38.95 Steel Retainers: 741-16 $80.95 Total: $878.75 Difference of: $1,270.95 That $1,270.95 will pay for my converter and my rear end gears, with a bunch of change left over. Isky's prices are a little different on their parts, but the final pricing comes in about the same.
@richardmoerke9329
10 ай бұрын
Now add the cost of it not being a sbc you could add another 500 plus.
@MikeFL2TX
10 ай бұрын
Early Hemi, a lot more. Ford Y block there are no roller lifters period.
@nathan40307
8 ай бұрын
He's giving his prices. Not comp cams.
@NBSV1
7 ай бұрын
Why are the springs and retainers so much more expensive for the roller? And why does the roller need a distributor gear where the flat tappet doesn’t? The parts aren’t adding up. If you matched the other parts and only changed the cam and lifters the difference is much closer than you’re making it out to be.
@swi9945
2 ай бұрын
I don't know how back in the seventies a small block Chevy with a factory Z-28 hydraulic cam and no special lifters lasted for 50,000 miles with the 11 1/2 to 1 pistons, double hump heads and a factory crank in it driven daily. Must have been lucky I guess.
@jesse75
10 ай бұрын
Just find a block with a roller Cam in it in the first place.
@michaelwest7183
10 ай бұрын
If you are building a SBC and have to use Retro rollers they are almost $ 1000 alone !!!
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
The price in the video are sbc so no.
@michaelwest7183
10 ай бұрын
I look at your web page and they are $445 that’s way cheaper than comp cam are they made by Johnson?
@timr31908
2 ай бұрын
How come in the good old days the solid lifters seem to last with no problem..😊
@accessgainer8
6 ай бұрын
What is the simplest timing cover/thrust setup without spending a bizzilion dollars? For gen 1 sbc.
@powellmachineinc
6 ай бұрын
We have a cover the like 20 bucks, roller thrust is about 14 bucks
@lazyhoundracing9621
10 ай бұрын
Very informative video. I think the question is how much does it cost not to go roller. Thank you for your time.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Good question!
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
10 ай бұрын
I think we have a reasonably clear idea. I'm wondering if my old motors that have been fine are time bombs and I'd best be swaping them over.
@gordocarbo
2 ай бұрын
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 If it broke in fine has been running for yrs bet you dont have reason to worry. Had ft go 200k.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
2 ай бұрын
@@gordocarbo Some of these are well over 200K, the couple of times I've been in them for bent push rods, lifter faces looked great. Even the flathead lifter faces looked good.
@amundsen575
10 ай бұрын
good video, many builders refuse to build flat tappet motors for all the reasons you mention, not worth the aggrivation
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@briana3467
10 ай бұрын
I didn't want to scrap a 427fe so my only real choice was a roller. Some things are just too hard to replace.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Yep, and labor is expensive
@duncanmacrae6384
10 ай бұрын
Plus, with a roller Vs. a flat tappet, if you don't like the cam or your other parameters change, just change the cam and reuse the roller lifters.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Exactly
@siliconvalleyengineer5875
Ай бұрын
Thankyou for explaining the cost difference between roller and flat tappet cam components. Could you please explain what the minimum Engine Compression Ratio requirement is for a roller camshaft to operate properly. I look forward to reply, thank you sir.
@powellmachineinc
Ай бұрын
@siliconvalleyengineer5875 not any different than a ft cam
@tracyamcneal9597
Ай бұрын
I'm converting from a Solid Roller to Hydraulic Roller and have just moments ago sent you Mr. Daniel an email requesting your suggestions/advice regarding what I might need for my Street Rod. I'm hoping that I have given you enough information to supply me with the potential answer to my request. Thank You in advance for taking the time to respond to that email. Please note: I am in the market to purchase the requested items from Powell Machine Inc.
@powellmachineinc
Ай бұрын
Definitely! Will get with u Monday
@kd6tas
10 ай бұрын
What this video is saying is a roller from him is at least $1038. Need better springs? Now it's $1238. No timing set, no assembly lube, no gaskets, etc. When someone says a roller is a grand or two this video isn't proof to the contrary. It's not about the difference, it's about the total cost. When a budget builder looks around he'll find flat tappet stuff so cheap that it will likely compel him to take a chance. Look at the Lunati Bare Bones stuff. Cam and lifter sets for under $170 with decent specs. Let's say they work 19 times out of 20 or even 9 times out of 10. Most guys will feel those odds are good enough.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, sum people are slow
@kd6tas
10 ай бұрын
I don't know what you mean by that. You got out of the flat tappet business and you'd like everyone to spend in accordance with your decision. That's what it sounds like to me. The truth of the matter is that simply isn't practical for many/most people. I was doing nothing and ran across a SBC kit that was cam, lifters, timing set, assembly lube, oil additive and gaskets for $264. The last time I changed a cam in a SBC I got everything from a guy on eBay for $230. To say the difference is a few trips to the local watering hole or a handful of fast food meals is disingenuous. Put together a retrofit SBC roller kit that is somewhere near complete for significantly less than $1000 and you'll be saying something.
@EchoSixMike
10 ай бұрын
@@kd6tas You're also gambling that the flat tappet junk will live. Factor that risk into your pricing.
@kd6tas
10 ай бұрын
@@EchoSixMike Maybe you saw the other comments I made here about things you can do to help insure success with flat tappets. In general I agree, if you can afford it go roller. Step 1 start with a roller block. To me retrofitting a non-roller is an expensive, un-natural act. Use your head. DLC treated lifers aren't expensive. Mark the pushrods and make sure they all spin properly, not only after break-in but at intervals throughout the life of the engine. Carefully consider your cam, spring and rocker ratio choices. Don't overdo it. You're more likely to succeed than fail. Nobody talks about all the flat tappet valve trains that work right. Because all you hear about are the failures, after awhile it starts to seem like they all fail. That's not true at all.
@jeremyking5684
6 ай бұрын
@@kd6tas number one thing to do is check lobe taper and lifter crown on flat tappet! 35% of failures is from that. Most of the failures are from improper lifter crowns.
@juliodiaz8280
8 ай бұрын
Question I have a 79 sbc block 30 over To go retro roller, what timing set do i use? Torrington bearing? Cam button? Cam will be under .500 lift. Weekender 73 vette. Any help is appreciated
@powellmachineinc
8 ай бұрын
Button is mandatory, thrust bearing is optional
@DixieGeezer
6 ай бұрын
Good show. "Stay in the gym/stay healthy... here's a thought,,,, have a gym next door for all your heavy weight buddies to visit when they see you. Oh, and Establish a dress code and get Andrew a haircut, high and tight. 😂😂🤣🤣
@powellmachineinc
6 ай бұрын
Lol
@flyonbyya
8 ай бұрын
Just curious How did engines straight out the factory flat tappet engines back in the day not suffer a high percentage of failures?
@powellmachineinc
8 ай бұрын
Manufacturing was much better, and spring pressure was lower, and oil had the correct blends
@hankclingingsmith8707
10 ай бұрын
IF I CALL YOU AND ASK FOR A CAM KIT, CAM LIFTERS,SPRINGS,RETAINERS,LOCKS ETC ITS STILL 1000 WITH TAX NO MATTER HOW YOU SEE IT NOT 600
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
You clearly missed the entire point
@RichMander1
10 ай бұрын
As an antique car mechanic, my problem isn’t the cost (investment) in a roller setup, it’s the complete lack of roller options for say… Studebakers, AMCs, MGs, Triumphs, any old straight six, nailheads, anything made by anybody in the early to mid fifties, and most holdovers into the sixties, Willys, MEL engines, anything else I can think of that’s foreign with pushrods… the list goes on. If everybody building a convenient American V8 goes to roller cams, that will likely make the quality of the rest of the lifters that we can’t do without even worse, because there’s even less demand for them. Maybe companies should spend a little bit extra per lifter or cam like they used to making sure they aren’t crap, and stop irresponsibly selling their dreck to an unknowing public. Instead of retrofitting an entire engine (even if I could), I’d rather drop an extra hundred or two on parts I can trust. Hell, I have to do it on the back end anyway, because I send everything flat tappet to a local cam grinder to check tapers and surfaces, and regrind if necessary. What if the companies were actually held accountable, instead of us giving up?
@EchoSixMike
10 ай бұрын
You're not going to have any influence over the OEM's. Even the entire hot rod community together doesn't buy as much product as any of the OEM's separately. There is no one going to subsidize these esoteric parts with current production stuff. Flat tappet cams are obsolete, have been since the 90's. At best, you might find boutique manufacturers to do your lifter in something durable like tool steel or a spring steel or something. There might be a market here for someone, I don't know. Everyone I know is bailing out of the automotive industry, they're looking for a desk job working 35hrs/week getting paid to surf the internet or something.
@TheLionAndTheLamb777
9 ай бұрын
@@EchoSixMike Yep, even basic engines from the big three started having roller cams installed in the late 1980's.
@gordocarbo
2 ай бұрын
Far as I know OEM stopped making ft lifters decades ago when the retro roller craze started. Now many want to run FT again and no good lifters to be found Ive had a HR cam fail in 15k miles, roller lifters puke etc all aftermarket Roller is no guarantee so many opt out and want to go back
@ronsmith7739
10 ай бұрын
For decades we have been using rollers only on drag racing, road racing and street cruising. In the long term rollers are the same cost, never have to worry about flat tappet cams. Don't have to worry about ZDDP either !!!
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Yup
@jamesplotkin4674
6 ай бұрын
Apostrophe over-dose ;-)
@pmd7771969
9 ай бұрын
Can't he add what he said. Not true what he said unless you go oem cam.
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
Re watch, maybe you don't grasp what was said....
@SOLDOZER
10 ай бұрын
Im not putting your $400 mystery Chineseium link bar lifters in my build.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
No mystery, Gaterman is well known and top quality... we have probably used 500 set's to date, nothing but great results
@ashqelon7267
10 ай бұрын
LOL, Honestly, I squander the price of a roller setup, in a year easily on junk food, coffee, other useless stuff.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
💯
@308dad8
19 күн бұрын
I am interested in this topic. So if replacing the cam and everything too the price is $530 difference to use a roller cam in SBC. So what is the advantage for an engine that’s gonna be used in a truck that’ll see regular driving and occasional hauling and pulling? Which gives most longevity and best for that application? And can you put roller cam in really old engines? How do you know when the cam needs to be replaced?
@chris_bjj123
6 ай бұрын
On Fords (351w), would you recommend the spider retro-fit or going with link bars? I'm leaning toward the Gaterman's because I don't want to be limited to a sbc cam but have heard reports of link bar lifters being noisy. Thanks for any advice.
@powellmachineinc
5 ай бұрын
It's irrelevant, exactly the same lifter unit
@chris_bjj123
5 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc Thanks..Link bar lifters VS standard lifters with small base circle cam doesn't seem like the exact same.
@sphillips6357
9 ай бұрын
So how much would it cost to go roller in either my 345 or 392 International v8? I'm looking for maximum longevity and reliability with the best fuel economy possible from these thirsty engines.
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
I'm not aware of a roller core for that engine
@sphillips6357
9 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineincok, guess I'm out of luck then. Thank you for the reply, Sir.
@JamesBower-l9d
2 ай бұрын
I’ll be getting ahold of you soon.
@powellmachineinc
2 ай бұрын
💯
@ezduzzit8770
6 ай бұрын
Factory roller block for the win
@powellmachineinc
6 ай бұрын
💯
@gordocarbo
2 ай бұрын
I wish the big 3 would start making thier good ft lifters again! If I used my go to Isky cam or a cheap PAW ssi hft Id use the GM lifters and never ever did I have an issue. Some builds I have no need or $ for a roller My recent solid roller setup for sbc cost a ton well over a grand. Plus shaft rockers The $$$ Pac springs I paid for...wound up being run of the mill comps, hello bent pushrods. Again.
@truemanrep3267
9 ай бұрын
I put a fing neo magnet in the bottom of the oil pan
@leehrh263
10 ай бұрын
Considering my current conflicts with a certain cam manufacturer, I believe you have got yourself a new customer. I'm in the middle of 2 engines right now and am about ready to order cams. I'll be contacting you soon.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Awesome, glad to help
@garysgarage.2841
4 ай бұрын
Scat bbc forged crank with forged H beam rods and Ross forged pistons with king coated bearings 3k. Roller setup 1500. Doesn't add up but what you gonna do.
@Buffy-ip4io
9 ай бұрын
Remember getting .525 .525 245 solid flat tappit 110 dollars Cam and lifters. Springs 75 dollars. Push rods 75. R rockers 100 dollars. For all over kill parts. I have never seen anything roller that cheap. Can't be worth a piss into the wind. And made by slaves or slave wages. somewhere else in the world. If you want a job. Than you better buy things made in your country. Or you don't deserve a job or freedom. And i would never put that sh#t in anything I built. And have 10g into... Oh and yes it is 1500 to 2000 for reliable parts you can beat on 10+years. Running it every weekend. And driving it to work.
@bigbelconut
9 ай бұрын
Wait there us something wrong wtih your math, if you add up the flat tappet cam its$582.00, if you add up the roller its $1112.00 That makes the roller set up $530.00 more then the flat tappet. I dont have $1112.00 dollars to spend on a roller setup.
@ronpaul8872
4 ай бұрын
The first roller I used was the deciding build for rollers. I'll never work with a customer that wants to cheap out.
@jesseduke694
10 ай бұрын
The last time i built a FE was two yrs ago. I did have it apart this summer to basicly check it over becouse i changed heads anyway, but i reused the cam & lifters. But i used a crower flat tappet & i bought summit lifters ($60 bucks) & i have sevral sets of springs here in my shop so i was able to do the break in with soft springs. But it was all successful. Still running good today. That being said i would love to go roller. But i dont think flat tappets are dead yet. I plan on building another FE for a different truck of mine & im planning on flat tappet again. Mainly becouse of cost. And i havnt had a failure yet.........
@gordocarbo
2 ай бұрын
Crower didnt have FE lifters? You got super lucky for those cheap ones holding up so far.
@jesseduke694
2 ай бұрын
@@gordocarbo they are the same as mellings. All of mine hold up!
@Yelladog78
4 ай бұрын
Can a Jeep 4.0 inline 6 be retro fitted with a roller cam?
@powellmachineinc
4 ай бұрын
No one makes roller cores for that engine as for as I know
@Yelladog78
4 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc Thank you for replying sir, I was afraid of that unfortunately
@jeffallen3382
6 ай бұрын
Why are so many people having problems with FT camd nowadays? I don't remember it being this bad years ago?
@richardmoerke9329
10 ай бұрын
That is a sbc !!!! That stuff is a dime a dozen. Get mopar stuff! Now see how your budget goes.
@funkysawmanwright5077
10 ай бұрын
Or ford, I'm dealing with trying to get my 460 daily driver back on the road and it's costing me 2500 just for front and top end work, all stock!!
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
It's 45 more dollars....
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty
10 ай бұрын
Or BBC.
@jesse75
10 ай бұрын
@@funkysawmanwright5077should have bought parts from Northern Auto parts. $633 master kit. $50 bucks for hot tank. $150 bore the block. $125 to reground the crank if needed. Buy new valves $163. Guides almost never go bad. Grind the seats. $80. Assembly yourself. Figure about $1,200 bucks. It's why we do as much as possible ourselves.
@funkysawmanwright5077
10 ай бұрын
@@jesse75 lol ridiculous 🤣 any local machine shop within 100 miles of me wants 800 to bore any v8. Cranks are 250, head rebuild is 400 reusing old valves. I live in north idaho and shit is stupid expensive here. I always plastic gauge and assemble myself.
@Hillbillygarage1215
2 ай бұрын
The one thing that i can't wrap my brain around. If you are grinding all these cams and a roller cam doesn't have the complicated lobe angles to spin the lifters, then why does it cost twice as much? I understand the lifters being more expensive but why the cam?
@frotobaggins7169
10 ай бұрын
I figure people who say $1,000 they are figuring they already have a cam and lifters.
@jondavis3582
9 ай бұрын
i have a 79 460 and i know ford put roller cams in 460s in the 90s so is there anything special that has to be done to install roller bearings in a 460..i ask b/c im on a tight budget and dont want to deal with FT nightmares.
@kevinclancy.
10 ай бұрын
great points and great to see the receipts. I like to ask those that say roller is too expensive "but can you afford to build your flat tappet engine twice??"
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Great point!
@gordocarbo
2 ай бұрын
Same crowd that insists their cheap chinese heads with white box springs "are fine cause see my burnout?" Cant tell them a thing. Cheap is that way for good reason. Most dont know what to look for anyways
@kennethcarty9583
9 ай бұрын
Big body Buick! My car was a 53 Century with a V8. I was 16 yrs old. My father owned a 56 Buick Roadmaster. That was a Big Body Buick for sure. Needed a big car with 6 youngins in tow. Enjoy your videos. Please keep up the honesty you have portrayed. Not a gear head, but I enjoyed growing up with neighbors that were.
@donaldhill2775
10 ай бұрын
Choice is a wonderful thing, if they can no longer manufacture a flat tappet cam that is fit for purpose they shouldn’t be selling them ! Recently fitted one (comp) solid lifters, Europe, it’s what we’re used to, into sbf, no crazy break in procedure, just set the timing and let it run on fast idle, mild road cam with AFR 180 heads, no problem…. luck ? Don’t know, parts from the same source, pushrods, rockers etc, 16 iron lumps riding on an iron stick, how difficult can it be ?
@ralphwilson361
10 ай бұрын
I wish I’d known this six months ago. The roller cam kits I looked at were $1200-1400.
@copperaudio9664
10 ай бұрын
Not having to worry about wiping out a newly built engine is worth the price difference easily. I would feel really dumb having to rebuild it twice than spending $500 more the 1st time.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty
10 ай бұрын
Funny, I talk to racers who quite often wipe out roller cam stuff as well.
@gregmason6302
10 ай бұрын
No one would have a problem if all cars still had flat tappet. All new cars have rollers so they don't give a shit about old cars with flat tappet. Not a big enough market.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Many ohv engines are flat tappet
@gregmason6302
10 ай бұрын
A lot of people are trying to get away with selling junk. Never had so many defective new part in my life. I can't assume it's good just because it's new. I check everything now
@peted5217
9 ай бұрын
Add cost of flat tappet redo and Roller becomes obvious choice.
@Texasmule
10 ай бұрын
I think dog bone roller lifters are the key to making roller cheap
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Definitely
@chestrockwell8328
10 ай бұрын
I've been doing this exact comparison exercise since seeing your most recent Flat Tappet issue video.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@leonardwalters154
9 ай бұрын
I'm a new sub ,what can you all do for amc engines like a 90 over 304 with 360 rods and aftermarket cylinder heads?
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
We have amc roller cores on the shelf, shoot us a email
@pmd7771969
9 ай бұрын
He said it doesn't cost 1 to 2k. Then proves it can cost 1k
@terrysmith8133
21 күн бұрын
the rollers that i've seen had a rev kit which was a plate and springs under the head with the springs pushing on the lifters to keep the valves from floating at higher rpms. are they not needed any more? are they just needed on high rpm race cams?
@powellmachineinc
21 күн бұрын
No, that's 1980 stuff,
@jimjohnson3357
10 ай бұрын
What about a cam retention method?
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
A roller thrust kit 8s around 15 bucks on our site
@paulbaker655
10 ай бұрын
Rollers. Make. More. Power. Less. Friction. It. Ain't. Rocket. Science. People. Listen. To. The. Man. Thanks. Bro
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Right on
@EchoSixMike
10 ай бұрын
Add to the flat tappet side of the $ list the lifter bore truing and/or bushing to correct the misalignment problems. The basic question is how do you price for the inherent risk of flat tappet junk in 2023?
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@pmd7771969
9 ай бұрын
He forgot the distributor gear and cam retainer
@davidjohnson6329
5 күн бұрын
I have 3 mark four big block Chevys. Can't see myself trying to put noisy rattling roller lifters in. These blocks only allow for those link bar rollers as far as I can tell. I don't trust them and so many people say they rattle like crazy.
@powellmachineinc
5 күн бұрын
Hmmmm, never heard such a thing
@davidjohnson6329
5 күн бұрын
There's videos on KZitem, people showing before and after. So how do you convert a pre 1990? Your only choice is install a link bar lifter with no bracing.. I can't find any quality long lasting parts that wouldn't make noise. There's no bracing method like on the Gen 6. Those link bars are jankyy@@powellmachineinc
@chuebello1
9 ай бұрын
I'm at a point where I need to pull my engine and would like to do the FT to Roller conversion. I could use some assistance on a cam. I want to be able to take advantage of the Edelbrock PN #60259 heads that are on the engine. Anyways this would be after the Holidays. Love the content you are putting out.
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
Just shoot us a email, powellmachineinc@gmail.com, we can recommend a package
@micahtroyer4181
10 ай бұрын
You went full roller , you always go full roller :)
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
It's all relative, lots just don't understand
@Shade_tree_garage01
7 ай бұрын
Here's the issue, you're using YOUR product's, and some manipulatory mathematics which.. is very deceiving. Use Summit Racing's Cam as an example, $130 for a cam, (unless its on sale, I got a Flat tappet for a Dirt track car for $89.99) then Chevy perf. lifters, $170, then summit springs (which are repackages of major brands, like there cams most likely PBM/Erson or Comp), the issue isn't a matter of its "Only so much more" its total cost, so, using your Total cost for a roller cam ($1,038 flat if you don't add in 6% state tax then shipping which would plop another $63 dollars on top of your total retro roller cam setup price.) using a complimentary cam as you mention STOCK, buying summits cam, Chev perf lifters, summit spring kit, and pushrods (cam)$130+(spring kit)$120+(pushrods)$84+(Chev perf lifters)$170 =$504 flat, and that's not using Summits lifters which are from what I've heard, repackaged Delphi's and if you use those, drop the cost of the lifters down to $89 then the math would be (cam)$130+(spring kit)$120+(pushrods)$84+(Summit lifters)$89=$423 so... (based on 6% tax rate via KY) $423 After tax=$448.38 Free shipping $504 After tax=$534.24 Free shipping $1,030 After tax=$1,101 (?) this is assuming your pricing has not changed. this isn't an issue of price difference, its total cost, and its still possible to get a good flat tappet, just as possible as it is to get a set of Gaterman Retro-fit lifters that wont pump up. some people want a decent cheap hot rod and don't wanna drop $1.1K on a cam, working paycheck to paycheck. but on a personal note I do agree, Roller cams are superior in every way shape and form, even when there's a Pump up failure, you wont wipe your engine's bearings out, or Destroy a crank, hell, my Personal 383 stroker race truck has a Comp Cams Retro fit roller, and 853-16 lifters.. that was a $1,000 dollar expense just for the cam and lifters, not counting the Springs, retainers, Locks, Seals, And spring cups.
@powellmachineinc
7 ай бұрын
Some folks just can't grasp certain concepts
@rickyfulks889
9 ай бұрын
Why should a roller camshaft cost more?
@joshuagarvey9362
3 ай бұрын
Might as well go roller rockers.
@notthunderr4069
10 ай бұрын
So for a BB 440 mopar, cam button and roller lifters are fine without any oiling feed mods or ?
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
As far as I know, we have converted quite a few with no issues
@artlife6210
7 ай бұрын
wow thats a walletfull!! Its no wonder the era of the junkyard LS is still going strong!
@powellmachineinc
7 ай бұрын
Lol, a gasket set for a ls is 350.00....
@fasst5511
10 ай бұрын
What do you think about the new Comp Cams DLC coated flat tappet lifters?
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
I haven't seen them in person yet, but.... "real " dlc coating alone cost 4-5 time's as much as they sell for, so..... idk
@Carcrafter7165
10 ай бұрын
I’m so glad I found this KZitem channel. This was a very informative video thank you sharing this. Just subscribed. Eddie Patterson, Silverstreet South Carolina.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@ni_wink84
10 ай бұрын
I think the cost is worth it if you aren’t sending metal through your expensive engine in the event of a failure or bad break in, just peace of mind for me
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Yep
@_vlnt_7800
10 ай бұрын
Do you have any 250 6 inline chevy roller grind around the 525C Iskenderian available?
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
We are working on adding I6 chevy and ford cores, probably a couple months
@justinkorpela7955
10 ай бұрын
Awesome video very informative
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it
@markokingo
3 ай бұрын
I'm sold..thanks for the knowledge, brother
@powellmachineinc
3 ай бұрын
Absolutely 💯
@danfurlong6926
6 ай бұрын
Good job. I couldnt have said it better myself.
@powellmachineinc
6 ай бұрын
Right on
@michaelgiglio1571
9 ай бұрын
Your advice is good, Tnx. One question. Don't roller lifters really need 15/40 synthetic, where most dinosaurs revoled around 20/50 fosel. Will the exhaust valve train get hot with faster drain back or spin bearings because of early rod side clearance leaking out etc. Where will it stop i wonder. Mick from Au.
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
No
@michaelgiglio1571
9 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc ok. You guy,s have done it and tested
@roncoburn7771
9 ай бұрын
love your channel but a word of advice cover up them phone numbers on your white board.
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
Noted
@Shaft-Industries
10 ай бұрын
I've got a Melling BBC hydraulic roller cam based on the ZZ502 specs. I haven't gotten the lifters yet and hear different things about different brands of lifters. What BBC hydraulic roller lifter would you recommend for the street?
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
we use and sell gaterman
@Shaft-Industries
10 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc Thanks. I'll ck them out.
@kujonyanthawa594
10 ай бұрын
man, you made this video for me didnt you?!?! quoting ford FE!
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Lol
@marks2254
5 ай бұрын
Just curious, what is it that causes a roller cam to cost more than a FT cam? Just the cam is itself?
@powellmachineinc
5 ай бұрын
The core is more expensive, the lifter and springs are also more expensive
@jrgraceful
18 күн бұрын
Unless you own a big block Buick :(
@powellmachineinc
18 күн бұрын
💯
@MooreFishing-ky3wq
10 ай бұрын
Can you custom make a roller for a counter rotating Mark IV 454 marine engine ? The cams are pressed on a gear drive . No one makes them and I hate to rebuild with s flat tappet .
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Can do, just expensive
@MooreFishing-ky3wq
10 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc how expensive
@robertmceuen3630
9 ай бұрын
I'm not a racer, but am interested in gas mileage. How much of a difference would a roller assembly make in terms of MPG?
@powellmachineinc
9 ай бұрын
None
@garysgarage.2841
4 ай бұрын
You want better mileage you'll need a shorter camshaft like a 4cyl vs an 8cyl.
@arturozarate1752
7 ай бұрын
I'll be calling Monday for an estimate. 482ci aluminum block, Baer Block Motors heads, Precision Oil Pumps rocker stands and rockers. I'm in the market for a cam, lifter, pushrods, and spring kit. Thanks and talk to you soon Daniel.
@mikef-gi2dg
10 ай бұрын
For me I find the source of information makes all the difference. When I look at what the big cam manufacturers recommend for my SLIGHTLY WARMED UP STREET SBC....THE COST DIFFERENCE IS OVER $1000. Obviously Powell Machine is offering choices that get the job done, and fit the average guys budget. Where you get you info is more important than ever.
@powellmachineinc
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely!, ty
@mikef-gi2dg
10 ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc Your demo of refaced NEW lifters shows the poor machining in bright lights. I have about 4 sets of pre-2005 GM/DELPHI FT lifters and a couple of unused Comp Cams, same vintage. If I understand correctly...it's the lifter quality not the break in that's the problem. I'm going to use them on some mild street builds. But If I can do the roller set up for the price $$$ break you describe, I finally see a way to make the switch. Your videos have been the top on this subject, by far.
@hotpuppy1
9 ай бұрын
That's fine for a 'popular' engine like SBC that EVERYONE makes parts for , but what about the oddball makes and older stuff?
@markbulva4188
9 ай бұрын
Moral of the story is most people don’t know what they’re doing. Great video nonetheless the less. Accurate and perfectly realistic. Someone who wiped out 3 cams may have followed all directions but guaranteed that 440 didn’t fire right off and be kept above idle or have light break In Springs installed and wiped any assembly line clean off while there was no lubrication. If you don’t know open your wallet.
@dannymccarty344
9 ай бұрын
I went hydro roller 3 years ago. BBC morel hydro rollers were $950. The isky marine cam was $600. Thats a big difference vs flat tappet. SBC is alot cheaper I guess, right?
@WillyG3234
8 ай бұрын
The difference between flat tappet and roller cam for my personal deal in my big block chevy was $800, but I used going roller as my excuse to go bigger, so really that's fine. Do I regret it? No.
@WillyG3234
8 ай бұрын
I should say that I already had the springs for the flat tappet and thats the only reason my conversion was over the 600 difference youre saying
@powellmachineinc
8 ай бұрын
💯
@pmd7771969
9 ай бұрын
Can he count.....lol
@J.R.in_WV
9 ай бұрын
This is kind of a one-off example that really does cost big money to go roller but I’m curious just how much it really would be: Have you ever machined / built any 12 valve / 6BT Cummins engines to take roller followers / lifters and rockers? Im curious what the real world actual cost would be for the machine work needed and the components….I know the billet steel roller cams are something like $1,400 but the rest I can’t seem to find a straight answer on….I guess I’m wondering if you could realistically put together a full roller 12 valve for under $5k if you started with a good, healthy running engine?
@ShannonP.-rd2nb
10 ай бұрын
cams in my experience go flat cause they overtighten the lifters in chevys. leave them just loost enough to barely tap . after 25 min at 2000 rpm ,adjust them , tighten till you fill a light restriction while twisting the pushrod. thats it. itd done. iv never lost a cam. now i run mobile 1 full synthetic 10-40 in mine , no zinc or any additives
@nathan40307
8 ай бұрын
I guess I don't understand how literally millions of factory motors with FT cams had no problems. Is it because of bigger cams and more power in the rebuild motors?
@jeffreydurham5342
7 ай бұрын
I believe they found the anti wear additives in the oil was detrimental to the catalysts and O2 sensors. So newer oils are formulated with less since the manufacturers put roller cam in now. Use this oil in a engine with flat tappets and wipe lobes off the cam. Been there, done that, got the hat and the t-shirt.
@jeffreydurham5342
7 ай бұрын
Several companies sell oil specifically for older engines with flat tappet camshafts. Hope this helps.
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