These programs should be on the free to air ,,all channels for all off Australian citizens to know which way they want to vote . We deserve to know all aspects of this referendum.
@paulbutler8037
Жыл бұрын
Of course it should....bloody disgusting to go to KZitem to get an unbiased news feed.....and even then,only sky let you comment.....Australian media is more corrupt than our politicians.
@leandabee
Жыл бұрын
Yes, a great deal of people don't watch KZitem, but also main stream media seem to always sway to the left view of things, well, that's what I myself has observed.
@GlowingTube
Жыл бұрын
@@leandabeeUnless it is Sky and the Murdoch owned papers.
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
@@GlowingTube It's still the same point isn't it? There can't be anywhere near enough people watching Sky or reading their papers either based on recent history.
@amraceway
Жыл бұрын
@@leandabee Really? Obviously your definition of a left view differs from the dictionary meaning. In Australia the mainstream media is a grand version of the shopping channel.
@cameronalexander359
Жыл бұрын
I love how the Voice has boomeranged into an own goal, exposing to the Australian public how we have too much government & too many politicians.
@razorback0z
Жыл бұрын
"boomeranged" good one.
@jasonh.8754
Жыл бұрын
It's like watching the slowest own-goal in history. Kind of like watching Biden lose all of his faculties. Sad.
@leonharrison800
Жыл бұрын
The LNP follow that. They want to cancel and outsource everything.
@sdjuxu
Жыл бұрын
Just look at the Australian parliamentary website.... Australian government sucks up the arse of big business and foreign governments... Australian people and the country have been sold out for years,,, government would love to run the country like China,,A dictatorship.. That don't care about anyone ,black,white ..they don't care...just gave themselves a pay rise when already being paid too much..while the rest of us are going homeless and broke..
@DunningKrugerJnr
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s given racists another chance to demonstrate to the world that we’re still a colonialist backwater full of rednecks and deads***s
@rob9340
Жыл бұрын
Having travelled extensively around Australia since I was young, I am very big supporter of improving the lives of our most impoverished, many of whom are Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. The "She'll be right mate attitude" is romantically known as a great Australian attitude, but is not one that should be adopted or accepted for this referendum. I have not heard a single person concisely define what the voice will be, how it will work or how it will affect Australian citizens. Or, if I have heard that, it has been contradicted by people in their very own party or organisation. It is a no vote for me. There are far more effective ways of helping Australia's most impoverished.
@haydenwalton2766
Жыл бұрын
exactly right rob. I'm just an old lefty ('I didn't leave the left - the left left me') - many people need support/ help in oz. this IMO, is best done through wealth distribution, not through, what I think, is radical changes to our constitution - just so some wankers in the leafy suburbs can have something to virtue signal at their next dinner party !
@stephansmith1937
Жыл бұрын
One reporter said that in the first year ever single aboriginal will get $100,000 indexed to grow to $500,000 in several years time. That’s every man, woman, and child…
@Cpod97
Жыл бұрын
The whole point of the voice is to make sure this "wealth distribution" is done effectively by ensuring that the Federal government and legislature listens to First Nations peoples. There have been many examples of the Federal government intervening in the lives of First Nations people with the apparent intent of making their lives better but they don't succeed because of mistakes that could have been avoided if they had just listened to First Nations people.@@haydenwalton2766
@roscored1000
Жыл бұрын
I now identify as aboriginal, prove that I am not
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Here you go: ~ "what the voice will be" - The Voice will be an ADVISORY body giving advice to Parliament and Executive Government on "matters specific to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; and matters relevant to the Australian community, including general laws or measures, but which affect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples differently to other members of the Australian community." ~ "how it will work" - it will provide advice ~ "how it will affect Australian citizens" - it is expected to benefit those Australian citizens who are Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders
@carolynbrightfield8911
Жыл бұрын
There are over 250 tribes / mobs within Australia. To have a fair voice wouldn't each tribe need to vote for their own representative - 250 voices. They were 250 individual tribes, never a unified nation. In fact, the concept of "nationhood" is not in their culture.
@ericrochester8835
Жыл бұрын
So true. One mob won't be told what to do by another. It will cause more problems.
@steveinoz8188
11 ай бұрын
No. There are thousands of suburbs in Australia. One suburb won't agree with another. It causes problems.
@Amanda-uc5jq
11 ай бұрын
Exactly
@janemassuger8346
11 ай бұрын
There are way more than 250 tribes/clans etc. I think you will find it’s closer to 3,000. Albo said there will be 250 representing all indigenous Australians, This in itself will cause huge problems
@steveinoz8188
11 ай бұрын
Not every suburb gets it's own voice either.@@janemassuger8346
@1darryloflife
Жыл бұрын
In 1967 the people of Australia voted very clearly in a referendum voting to remove discrimination towards Aboriginal people , to the tune of 90.77% . So section 127 was removed, which was discriminatory, and the word "Aboriginal" was removed from section 51(xxvi). So from 1967 the Aboriginal people have been on an equal status as everyone else in the Commonwealth of Australia. In 1969 there was a treaty signed by the Commonwealth government eliminating all forms of discrimination , so we the people need to ask why is this Labour bunch of criminals attempting to throw us back to the dark ages by asking us to vote yes to discrimination.
@Clove_Parma
Жыл бұрын
There’s no “Labour” party in australia
@lessISmore4444
Жыл бұрын
They’re trying to destroy the established system so they rebuild it how they want it…….. the Voice is their first step at dissolving democracy and dividing the population so we’re weakened by infighting. That in conjunction with ruining our power system to starve of the looming “climate catastrophe”. It’s all playing out how they want it to so far but surely there’s more Australians with a bit of common sense that can see through the destructive nature of the current leadership and vote them out 🤞🏼
@scott2452
Жыл бұрын
The constitution before 1967 had granted the government power to “make laws for the peace, order, and good government” with regard to “the people of any race, other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws;" …rather than removing the entire clause and treat everyone as Australians, only ‘other than the aboriginal race’ was taken out… this clause was necessary for race-based ‘affirmative action’ after all.
@1darryloflife
Жыл бұрын
Yes which leads to the Treaty signed in 1969 which dealt with eliminating all types of racial discrimination. The current question is racial and a breach of pretty much every article in the treaty.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Because, as Ken Henry said in the Sydney Morning Herald (18/01/2023),: "Generations of Australian politicians have had all the power and apparatus of the Australian state at their disposal, yet have merely borne witness to their own failure to prevent the ever-worsening tragedies of Indigenous child protection, incarceration, and suicide; and shamefully persistent gaps in Indigenous life expectancy, employment, educational attainment, poverty, drug and alcohol abuse, mental and physical health outcomes."
@newman653
Жыл бұрын
Mr Anderson is a great Australian & one of the few politicians ,former or present who has my respect & admiration.
@theresetheile4662
Жыл бұрын
Same. He is a great man. Was a very good leader.
@robweaver9953
Жыл бұрын
Sounds a lot more involved than the PM would have us believe.
@razorback0z
Жыл бұрын
I doubt he understands it. At this stage he is simply a puppet of the woke left and the WEF.
@nedbaker4129
Жыл бұрын
He just doesnt want us to know how disenfrachaised we will become not belonging to our own country
@tawnydi
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t understand the depth of the issue. What’s his background in Constitutional Law?
@nedbaker4129
Жыл бұрын
@@tawnydi perhaps if you googled him you would find out how much he knows about constitutional law he has a publication on the"constition of a federal commonweath;the making and meaning of the australian constition" maybe you should read it
@nedbaker4129
Жыл бұрын
Correct spelling constitution
@NoelyBob
Жыл бұрын
Once the courts get hold of the voice it could become anything.
@cspace1234nz
Жыл бұрын
...you only have to look to NZ to see what happens when any sort of racial divide takes place, it's a nightmare. Australia will be utterly ruined
@albertito77
Жыл бұрын
Submarines to parking tickets
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
No, it won't. 1. The Solicitor-General has provided his official Opinion that proposed s 129(iii) will empower the Parliament to legislate to specify the legal effect of representations of the Voice. Proposed s 129 would not pose any threat to Australia’s system of representative and responsible government. 2. The Solicitor-General also said "“The suggestion that a consequence of empowering the Voice to make representations to the Executive Government will be to clog up the courts, or to cause government to grind to a halt, ignores the reality that litigation concerning the validity of decisions of the Executive Government is already very common, and that it does not have either of those consequences.”
@nedbaker4129
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug leftist speil
@albertito77
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug the solicitor general is a cuck. So what.
@gdadc2649
Жыл бұрын
This is so, so uncomfortably wrong on so many levels. I must and will be voting a capital NO. Thank you for your explanation.
@Will-nb8qk
11 ай бұрын
You were never voting yes because your mindless intellectually deficient bigotry would not allow you to. Stop with your nonsense.
@buildmotosykletist1987
Жыл бұрын
Do not divide Australia by race, vote "No".
@locustsandhoney486
Жыл бұрын
Its against the law, Criminal Code 1995, Volume 2, Apartheid.
@paulweston285
Жыл бұрын
@@locustsandhoney486 Vote NO to InVoice
@cspace1234nz
Жыл бұрын
....yep, as a Kiwi who has spent a great deal of time in Australia over a lot of years, I've not actually heard of 'The Voice' till now but based on what has happened in NZ with the local moaris and their imaginary treaty I would say that anything at all that has the potential to divide the country by race to appease a minority group of any sort is a recipe for disaster. Australia is not bi-cultural, it is multi-cultural. By all means find ways of taking care of minority groups but not by divisive means. NZ is fast becoming a ruined country because the radicals now have money and power, it's a fu*king nightmare and is not even good for the moaris in general.
@DaGoyDidGood
Жыл бұрын
@@cspace1234nzit’s too late mate, the contagion of bias in the foundations of every institution of The Crown/governance has already worked to divide the countries colonised by the UK.
@cspace1234nz
Жыл бұрын
@@DaGoyDidGood ....wow, I've got a lot to learn about what's happening in Aussie. I was based over there for several years till Covid hit and am heading back for an extended period in a few months time. In a very different way I have watched Aussie going seriously downhill in so many ways over the last 40 years compared to NZ but ultimately both countries atre headed on a downward spiral towards the same place. I suppose that's happening all over the planet but it's hard when it's the countries you know and love the most.
@Aussielynne2024
Жыл бұрын
Vote NO don’t divide our country by race 😢😢
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
How is it your country?.
@SpectreOZ
Жыл бұрын
They stated OUR country as in shared by ALL Australians 😉
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
@@SpectreOZ Tell me, how is it your country.
@SpectreOZ
Жыл бұрын
@@beepbeep6861 Does Australia belong to the Kangaroos, Koalas and Goannas?
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
@@SpectreOZ Like Midnight Oil sang. "It belongs to them, we're going to give it back". Referring to the first inhabitants.
@paulweston285
Жыл бұрын
Albo : " Your a racist if you vote NO to the Voice referendum " Journo to Albo : " Other than the first page have you read the rest of the entire document that details your Voice referendum " ? Albo : " No why would i " ?
@looloo4029
Жыл бұрын
I’m voting NO
@drzdeano
Жыл бұрын
You sure you quoting albo correctly? I don't remember him saying anything about racists.
@paulweston285
Жыл бұрын
@@drzdeano His ministers & leftie hench mob have said as much representing him.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
~ Albanese did not call anyone racist - you are deliberately spreading disinformation. ~ The journo did NOT ask "have you read the rest of the entire document that details your Voice referendum". The journalist you refer to is, I'm guessing, Neil Mitchell in his interview with Albanese on 16 August. Mitchell asked whether Albanese had read the "other 25 pages" of the Uluru Statement from the Heart. The Uluru Statement from the Heart does not "[detail the] Voice referendum". Albanese said the other pages are a "record of meeting" but that the Uluru Statement is one page and that is the important document.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@drzdeanoNo - he is not quoting Albanese correctly at all.
@rainegoldberg9376
Жыл бұрын
Voting yes only creates division,us and them! We are ALL Australians! I am voting NO full stop!!!!
@maureen-rn3pv
Жыл бұрын
Great discussion which everyone should listen to. Instead of spruiking nonsense in stores they should be playing THE SEEKERS “I AM AUSTRALIAN”. I will be voting NO. I’m a migrant to this great country and want to remain a first class respected citizen because I helped in my little way to build it up, not for me alone but FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS. AMEN.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Written by Bruce Woodley - not by the Seekers
@Will-nb8qk
11 ай бұрын
What’s your answer for the people who lived here for 10’s of thousands of years and were profoundly disadvantaged by australian governments. Not by the people but by the government.
@gusman37
Жыл бұрын
I my family's and friends will be ... Voting No ... Final ... We are the builders and taxpayers who funds this country for all Australians as a ... Collective 🇦🇺
@rainegoldberg9376
Жыл бұрын
Exactly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️
@patricktongs9766
Жыл бұрын
Ignorance is bliss..
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
So every first nation's people mustn't do their share.
@beth1979
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it matters how any of us vote, the government has predetermined that the answer will be yes.
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
@@beth1979 That's what they would like you to think. It's a referendum. They can't fix it. Just vote NO.
@rogertull8888
Жыл бұрын
WHOSE VOICE TO PARLIAMENT WILL BE HEARD, WHICH OF THE HUNDREDS OF GROUPS?, WHICH TRIBE?, WHICH CLAN?, WHICH FAMILY GROUP? DO WE ALL GET A VOICE TO PARLIAMENT OR IS IT ONLY GOING TO BE A FEW PEOPLE? THIS ABORIGINAL WILL BE VOTING NO
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Read the Voice design principles voice.gov.au/about-voice/voice-principles
@gustaaf1892
Жыл бұрын
Good on you mate. Money always seems to end up in the pockets of very few, instead of for the benefit of the entire community.
@steveinoz8188
11 ай бұрын
Everyone will be able have input. And like the parliamentary system that we have, representatives will put forward the wishes of the aboriginal community.
@AnthonyP73
Жыл бұрын
I can imagine a lobbyist nightmare where radicalised individuals rock up to any and all government agencies and cause mayhem. It's a hard no
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
"radicalised individuals" ??? An ADVISORY body cannot cause "mayhem"
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641
Жыл бұрын
I am in favor of giving corporate lobbyists "nightmares"
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDougOh yes it can. 'Advice not taken? Right, see you in court.' Activists picketing the offices of Ministers or administrator demanding that they, 'listen', to the Voice: endless delays and expense, decisions done and redone. Prime opportunity for political blackmail, not at all likely to be rejected.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@sandrajohn9837 The Voice will not be able to challenge Government decisions in High Court - the legislation will be written to prevent this (as per the Solicitor-General's formal Opinion a formal Opinion (www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=ea88212c-eccc-45d2-822c-8578fa96895c&subId=740367). Others may attempt to invoke the High Court but 1) it will be at their cost, not the Government's and 2) even if the High Court agrees, all it can do is send the decision back to the Government for re-assessment. The High Court can't overturn the Government on these matters.
@rowanmckay6331
11 ай бұрын
@@sandrajohn9837 Sounds like pretty standard lobbying activity, aka business as usual in the capital. Except nobody's getting paid. 🤷♂
@cspace1234nz
Жыл бұрын
....I'm a Kiwi who has spent a great deal of time in Australia over a lot of years. I've not heard of 'The Voice' but based on what has happened in NZ with the local moaris and their imaginary treaty I would say that anything at all that has the potential to divide the country by race to appease a minority group of any sort is a recipe for disaster. Australia is not bi-cultural, it is multi-cultural. By all means find ways of taking care of minority groups but not by divisive means. NZ is fast becoming a ruined country because the radicals now have money and power, it's a fu*king nightmare and is not even good for the moaris in general.
@geoffreyveale7715
Жыл бұрын
If the Voice stuffs up Australia, Kiwi's will have nowhere to go. Vote No to help our Kiwi cousins. 😀
@paulfri1569
Жыл бұрын
Kiwi's in Australia should vote No then if they don't want Australia to be farked..
@MichaelRobinson-od6mr
Жыл бұрын
Why do we need a Voice to Parliament when we already have a Ministry of Indigenous Affairs that reports to Cabinet?
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Because the Department of Indigenous Affairs is mostly non-Indigenous staff who do not live on country. The Voice will represent A&TSI peoples - not those in Canberra.
@Pacdoc-oz
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug not even close, they will be appointed, self-appointed and they will be the boss man or boss woman lording it over the little people like Yunupingu
@user-py5xp8ie3z
Жыл бұрын
An interesting discussion. It is my view that the Referendum is not primarily about a voice but about sovereignty. Once the Voice is written into the Constitution then the Voice will automatically achieve a measure of sovereignty. Here is how it works. If the referendum is successful in entrenching the Voice in the Constitution then it is a simple matter to appoint the Voice to the position of Governor General. This will happen on 1 July 2024. This provides the Voice to use the provisions of Sections 62 and 63 of the Constitution, the power to call and use Executive Council, and to access to the provisions of Section 58 of the Constitution, the power to withhold assent and to return any proposed law with amendments and recommendations. The overall effect is the transfer of sovereignty from the Crown to the Voice.
@lollypop2413
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@JaneA544
Жыл бұрын
Vote no
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
So, it's essentially a republic referendum by proxy then? It would certainly align with Labor's views on forcing that issue.
@user-py5xp8ie3z
Жыл бұрын
Yes. I see that as the outcome sought by this referendum. And there is nothing 'proxy' about it. We are being sold the sympathy vote while the Yes campaign omits to mention its real purpose. It can go further in future if there is a referendum to replace 'Queen' with 'Voice" within the Constitution. @@chadjcrase
@roscored1000
Жыл бұрын
except you can control a republic but can you control a group with more power that have not been elected, they will be "chosen" not elected as Senator Burney has stated.@@chadjcrase
@Bill-gs1ms
Жыл бұрын
I have travelled around most of Australia and have found the biggest problem being that the parents don’t support their kids education and give very little guidance I have seen this on many occasions The aboriginal community needs to take responsibility for its own lack of action any money would just be wasted They need to be incentivised to catch up with the 21st century
@yandingo
Жыл бұрын
It’s a big NO for me and my family for the unity of all Australians
@FilipDamjan
Жыл бұрын
Jesus, why doesn’t anyone raise the obvious issue with the question? The wording purports to give the parliament powers to give the Voice body any “powers” that it sees fit. THAT is the main problem. The amendment purports to give the parliament the power to decide to grant whatsoever powers it so chooses, to the Voice body. That circumvents the restrictions of the Section 51 powers of the constitution and could result in parliament giving this external unelected unaccountable body power to run the country without restriction if it so chooses.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
The reason why no-one is raising "the obvious issue with the question" is because it is NOT an issue! You need to read the proposed Constitutional change a bit more closely (voice.gov.au/referendum-2023/referendum-question-and-constitutional-amendment). It does not propose to give the Voice "any powers" at all - other than to make representations..
@S.Carrick
Жыл бұрын
I worry that some trick question will be on referendum...why not just a plain, yes or no, without any other questions which could trick people into voting for what they don't want.
@youbigtubership
Жыл бұрын
The question is already out. You can read it, and practice where you put your mark.😊
@41srn
Жыл бұрын
@@youbigtubershipwhere?
@Bully1973
Жыл бұрын
@41srn google referendum question and it's right there.
@@41srn Just Google it. The Australian Electoral Commission has it, lots of places. KZitem usually removes links which take users off-platform.
@zacbarnett7783
Жыл бұрын
This entire conversation seems to be about the 'how, why, where and when' of creating a workable autonomous 'nation state' within an already existing autonomous 'nation state'. The premise of the conversation seems to be that such a creation is an already established and accepted reality by the Australian people, yet, IT'S NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE. It would seem that you are determined to 'rationalize', 'justify' and 'legitimize' TWO SEPERATE NATIONAL FLAGS FLYING OVER THE ONE PARLIAMENT HOUSE..... THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE SAY "NO" !!!
@paulweston285
Жыл бұрын
Next will be the rainbow flag
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
You should watch the video again - no mention at all of "nation states", autonomous or otherwise.
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
That is precisely the question being discussed, albeit obliquely, and precisely the agenda being pursued by proponents of the, 'Voice'. The voice is a stepping stone to treaty and treaties imply sovereign states as parties. It isn't hidden. Anyone can google the information.
@ronharris7335
Жыл бұрын
It’s important that we don’t make Australia. A split nation. Vote NO.
@scottmcgilvery8511
Жыл бұрын
Thank you John
@jujumaccas
Жыл бұрын
You must write either YES or NO in English in the box for a valid vote - no ticking or crossing.
@kaylenehousego8929
Жыл бұрын
" Power without authority is....the anti christ ". It leads to the impeimentation of the regulated group mind . thank you both for bringing us this conversation.
@kaylenehousego8929
Жыл бұрын
So disappointed by the silence of my fellow Christian"s.......
@andymeier7708
Жыл бұрын
@@kaylenehousego8929 that's because you are unhinged
@brianmorris8045
Жыл бұрын
Some of which, are dumbly going to vote Yes. The namby pamby peachy and rosy versions, who, up with fairies, plainly wouldn't know drama if it hits them in the face. The drama being the ramifications for Australia if the Yes vote wins. I was brought up in mainstream down to earth Anglican society of old, well the 50's/60s We had commonsense. And that commonsense has told me to vote an emphatic no!. This voice thing won't help any of the aboriginals Albo reckons it will. There you have it. One old fashioned, (but in tune with todays reality), conservative style Christian voice. Not sure if that's the paticular Christian thinking you wanted. But it's definitely ny thinking, and I won't back down.
@brianmorris8045
Жыл бұрын
It will also lead to civil wars as does happen in banana republics like Venezuala at the moment. Socialusm is killing that country. If it hasn't already. Mind you a civila war against a reoublic like that, usn't such a bad thing, if you can at the end of it, bring in a western style democracy. The only priblem in that, is the wrong people get hurt to achieve that, the citizens who want peace, to be able to wandrr around freely without asking each day from the powers that be, to do so, each day.
@cspace1234nz
Жыл бұрын
...the church is the anti-Christ
@ozsteamer2755
Жыл бұрын
*I'm voting "No". Why? Because this "Voice" is sounding increasingly like **_"You have to vote to pass the proposal to find out what is in the proposal"_* (or change to the Constitution as the case may be) It also sounds like *_a Consultant's Dream Come True,_* where the consultants (to the Voice) will be able to do absolutely nothing (except publish obscure reports that no-one wants or will ever read) and get paid a fortune at Taxpayer's expense.
@cspace1234nz
Жыл бұрын
.....you really only have to look to NZ to see what happens when racial divide is encouraged. Absolute and growing nightmare beyond what most people can begin to imagine. It's a trough for 'victims' who end up with their snouts constantly in it
@FairladyS130
Жыл бұрын
So many voice unanswered questions, how can any sensible person sign off on the voice. Of course self interest is involved and that seems to be a powerful voice motivator.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
All the questions raised by this video were answered 5 months ago by the Solicitor-general and the Attorney-General.
@FairladyS130
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug LOL.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@FairladyS130Yes, I know right - why did they make a video about stuff that has already been resolved. LOL, indeed.
@FairladyS130
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug You don't seem to understand how the law operates. It's never finalised and is always open to interpretation on a case by case basis. Particularly where it is so vague like here.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@FairladyS130 The legislation has not yet been written - so no-one, including you and these people in the video, cannot comment on how open to interpretation it is. That would be scare-mongering
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
This referendum is a moment where I step back and realise how lucky we are; to still be in that period before government reaches that critical mass of authority and massive bureaucracy from which there is no return to conservative, liberal values. Also lucky that we still have a say in the outcome. I just hope that enough people actually inform themselves before voting.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
You are not being informed by watching videos like this one.
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug My point about informing oneself stands independently of this video, but what do you think is wrong with this one in particular?
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@chadjcrase It is scare-mongering by re-hashing issues that have been answered months ago by the Attorney-General and the Solicitor-General
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug I'm glad you are reassured by that, but a great many clearly are not.
@rowanmckay6331
11 ай бұрын
@@chadjcrase What are you scared of? In what way do you envisage the voice to parliament negatively affecting your life?
@wollondillyargyle281
Жыл бұрын
I would vote 'No' if I could. As an Australian citizen living abroad, having been out of the country for more than six years, I am NOT ALLOWED to vote. I do not have dual citizenship with any other country, and I do intend to return to my homeland Australia. But I have been disenfranchised. How's that for justice?
@looloo4029
Жыл бұрын
That’s shocking.
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
That seems like a very archaic rule.
@johnphelps9788
Жыл бұрын
cant you vote at an Australian Embassy or Consulate?
@wollondillyargyle281
Жыл бұрын
@@johnphelps9788 Of course you can vote at an embassy/consulate if you are registered. But if you have been overseas for six years you lose your right to vote, and you cannot re-register with an overseas address. It is totally unjust.
@aussienscale
Жыл бұрын
Another great video John, you need to share these more on social media !!
@Will-nb8qk
11 ай бұрын
What was good about it? 🤔
@aesthetic6573
Жыл бұрын
I’ve met very little to no people that want to vote yes. Most people I speak to are outright against it.
@LynneHancox
11 ай бұрын
Yet somehow it'll win!!
@fungooloo12
Жыл бұрын
This is our Brexit moment, equal in impact. A NO vote is a must in it's current ambiguous form.
@brianmorris8045
Жыл бұрын
John's bringing up the question about an emergency rings true, if we needed to implement emergency conditions would be more alarming if the Voice idiots were to go to the courts to rescind an emergency order that would help our defences. That rescinding should not be allowed. Best way for that situation to not happen, is to get in early, and vote NO!.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
The Solicitor-General and the Attorney-General have both said that, as an ADVISORY body, the Voice cannot delay the operations of government.
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDougBy which they can only mean that it has no formal power (implied or explicit) to do so. Then there's, 'real politic'.
@FastRiposte
Жыл бұрын
As citizens of Australia, they already have a way of "sending a message". This is the same way everyone else has by voting. In Rural and remote areas, the Aboriginal populace is a significant number. If they bother to vote, then they have a representative to raise their concerns.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
So why are most of the Closing the gaps targets not being met? It is not about members of parliament - it is about specific issues adversely affecting A&TSI peoples being heard at the federal level - not filtered via individual MPs (who have to represent everyone in their electorate - not just the A&TSI peoples.)
@Pacdoc-oz
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug There is a strong belief in the old ways and great suspicion about the white persons ways. Proper medical care is REFUSED, laws are DISRESPECTED, education in schools is NOT VALUED, women are NOT EQUAL and lots more. The heart and kidney disease and diabetes begins in their childhood - no medicine on earth can close the gap in under one generation of ALL aborigines doing ALL the good health things for themselves AND their children. The Voice is political power grab by lawyers who identify as Aboriginal elite leaders.
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDougGood question. Why not ask those administering the billions of public funds devoted to that end? P.S. everyone's concerns get 'filtered', through Parliament. It's called democracy. That said, Aboriginal people do have a dedicated Minister and Department, NIAA and countless land councils welfare agencies and lobby groups. I don't doubt outback communities are not being heard but this is not about listening to them.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@sandrajohn9837 If outback communities aren't being heard, then it is because their voices are not loud enough. The Voice would amplify their concerns
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug It might if the Voice reps consult them adequately but the Voice would be very much more distant than the local land councils and NIAA already exists as a central agency for the purpose of 'amplifying', the Aboriginal voice.
@wormbo2
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like A LOT of power afforded to a group of self- appointed people who represent all of MAYBE 5% of the nation's population... Don't worry though, it won't be used to feather the nests of a select few people... 😉😉
@looloo4029
Жыл бұрын
Whilst regional and remote communities of aboriginal people will continue to suffer. Vote NO.
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
@FitmanFatty I don't know how these committees operate, but the big difference, surely, is that they cannot make appeals to the High Court using the Constitution if the government doesn't do what they want.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
The only "power" the Voice would have is to PROVIDE ADVICE. That's it.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@chadjcrase The Voice will not be able to make appeals to the High Court either!
@mysty0
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug Wrong! The Voice is bigger than just a few seats at Parliament. It goes right down to Local electing one or two representatives to speak for the majority. In some cases those 'selected' representatives wont even be Men belonging to the Local Tribal Group. These men will have Authority to approve clearings of Lands, whether they are of the Tribal Group or not. I was there at the meetings with the Government Officials trying to push this, I spoke against it at the time with was like 6-7yrs ago when the Government Officials came around with their Cheque Book trying to Bribe people to make this happen. This is not an Aboriginal Grass Roots Movement, this is a Top Down Initiative that the Government wants and none of you have a clue what they have planned for all of us Black and White Alike!
@beebee1676
Жыл бұрын
We are not taught about our own constitution. This has brought to light that Australian's dont know our rights or how to enforce them.
@rogerthat487
Жыл бұрын
If I was an aboriginal person I would be deeply troubled that the voice will be chosen - the Chosen Ones - we know not how.
@rogertull8888
Жыл бұрын
I AM OF ABORIGINAL HERITAGE, AND I'M DEEPLY TROUBLED, THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT ALL THE WASTED MONEY FOR ABORIGINALS, AND NOW THEY WANT TO GIVE US A VOICE, BUT WHOSE VOICE, NOT EVERY ABORIGINAL WILL BE ASKED FOR THEIR OPINION
@lewhone6325
Жыл бұрын
In other words it's a massive nightmare awaiting us with limitless consequences.
@jenniferhatton7794
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for educating those willing to enquire. Programs such as yours should be shown on free to air.
@buryitdeep
Жыл бұрын
I want the original people to have a voice but I'm not signing a blank contract. I'm also questioning why should there be an us and them politically. Why not all?
@chuckmaddison2924
Жыл бұрын
I'm voting NO . But after seeing 7 news tonight, I'm worried. I get the impression SA could swing it to a yes win. I received the information book today, and it looks pro-Yes . The other thing this is the first time I believe we have had to write no or yes , not just tick a box. This I feel could discriminate against those with severe dyslexia in an attempt to give a bias .
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
How will it give a bias? Surely, it will be easier for dyslexics to write "NO" than "YES"? (Try not to find too many conspiracy theories in one day)
@ericrochester8835
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDougyou are racist. Go away.
@chuckmaddison2924
Жыл бұрын
@AnotherDoug I thought they may use a cross, which could be counted as a yes. Yes I have been told before at work not to over think thing's.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@chuckmaddison2924The Australian Electoral Commission has come out today to say that an "X" on the Referendum vote will NOT be counted at all.
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
🤣 How dyslexic do you have to be to not be able to write NO? As long as everyone understands not to use a cross it will be fine. Stop worrying.🥰
@philipstallwood9813
Жыл бұрын
So we don't actually get the clear facts about the proposal. If people don't get clear accurate information on the proposal how do they make informed consent. A lawful agreement requires informed acceptance for it to be binding I thought. The lack of clarity makes it impossible to give informed agreement.
@carolynbrightfield8911
Жыл бұрын
A religious act now opens Parliament (smoking ceremonies). A prayer is prayed at many public functions (The Sorry Prayer without opportunity for forgiveness). I travel and am reminded I am entering stolen country that I didn't steal. And places I've known since birth are being renamed in another language. Not even dual names. But this is not a takeover. One nation. Focus on all those who are impoverished, meet their needs to raise all of them up out of poverty regardless of individual personal characteristics.
@MsAussieSheila
Жыл бұрын
The constant "welcome to country" or "acknowledgement of country" is getting old. Every meeting at work. Multiple times a day. It's even worse than the LGBT stuff. At least the mostly just stays as a few lines in an email signature. (Before anyone makes accusations, I'm a lesbian. Those flags in signatures and declarations of allyship don't mean anything. They're virtue signalling. Just treat people normally).
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
You do know that the Lord's Prayer is read at the beginning of each day in both the House of Representatives and Senate - why aren't you complaining about that?
@deanhays6115
Жыл бұрын
@MsAussieSheila I'm straight and don't give two hoots if you're a lesbian or any other minority My main focus with the voice is we are all Australians and no one should get preference over another
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@deanhays6115 Sure - so when the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples catch-up with the rest of Australia, we can abolish the Voice
@deanhays6115
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug and you really think the voice is about aboriginal and Torres Strait islanders "catching up" 🤣🤣🤣
@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
Жыл бұрын
Since the detail is yet to be worked out we do not know what power it might have.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Its only power will be as specified in the Constitution: to "make representations [give advice] to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples". That is it
@ACDZ123
Жыл бұрын
My neighbours are lifelong labor voters and thankfully they are all voting no as well ...they realise where this will lead to
@MsAussieSheila
Жыл бұрын
Every Labor voter I know and have asked is voting no. The greens are overwhelming voting yes. Not labour. Labor is much more split.
@ACDZ123
Жыл бұрын
@@MsAussieSheila I don't really know any greenies ..but it sounds about right . They all look a bit mad
@ericrochester8835
Жыл бұрын
@@ACDZ123they are normally wealthy people who don't have to worry about everyday problems so they find other things to worry about like Climate change and poor people . Just human nature I guess.
@simonboland
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of John Hewson in 1992 trying to explain to Mike Willesee (tv anchor) whether the GST would apply to a birthday cake. There was a long winded answer and finally Willesee said he had no hope explaining it to the people.
@johnphelps9788
Жыл бұрын
and the GST did end up applying to a birthday cake unless you baked it yourself.
@steveinoz8188
11 ай бұрын
And yet we now have GST.
@PASKEN458
Жыл бұрын
From a moral perspective why should one group, solely based on ethnicity and race, be granted a constitutionally enshrined lobby group?
@nedbaker4129
Жыл бұрын
I fear for australia if the voice changes our constitution we will lose our country that we love and appreciate so much
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Incorrect
@ericrochester8835
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDougwhere did you get your crystal ball?
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@ericrochester8835Same place nedbaker4129 got his
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
It's already happening to a lesser degree. Land rights legislation is enabling Aboriginal groups to lock off areas of the country on the grounds they are culturally significant or sacred sites.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@sandrajohn9837 What has that got to do with an ADVISORY body?
@thelamington8195
Жыл бұрын
It’s still a big NO for me…
@kaylyons7453
Жыл бұрын
I'm 71 yes old have voted Labor all my as have my family. After the appalling corrupt years of the LNP particularly under Morrison it was like a ray of hope when Labor won the election. Labor supporter put so much faith in Albanese to steer this country out of the darkness into a country we can be proud of once more. The the hammer fell, The Voice. It is total insanity.I'm am disgusted and totally disallusioned with the party. Then to ad insult to injury they gave themselves a 4% pay rise when the country is struggling with the out of control rising cost of living, housing and homelessness. You have driven a knife into the heart of Labor supporters. I will be voting NO,NO,NO for the voice and at the next election state and federal I will not be voting at all. You can put me in jail I don't care. There are no decent politicians to vote for in any of the parties
@jasonh.8754
Жыл бұрын
Ok, lets take this a step further - put the actual mechanism aside: what happens when 'Parliament' agrees with the Voice? And then what happens when Parliament tries to DISAGREE with the Voice? On what grounds can it disagree with the Voice after any initial instance where it agrees with the Voice? How can you acknowlege Indigenous people as 'First Inhabitants' or 'First Owners' & then disagree with them on policy that 'Affects Them' (according to Labor's language)? Basic property rights - how can you acknowledge somebody else as the rightful owner of something but legally deny them their own say on how to manage it?
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
That is another good illustration of the ambiguity of the whole thing. I don't think Parliament could ever be legally bound to act in any way, as long as they received the advice, because the Voice is not a legislative body. Even lawyers and experts don't really know for sure, so it's very ill-conceived.
@jasonh.8754
Жыл бұрын
@@chadjcrase I've made the same point elsewhere, how can you have a nation when you don't know who's actually in charge? Chaos is not a natural state.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
1. "what happens when 'Parliament' agrees with the Voice?" - everyone is happy 2. "what happens when Parliament tries to DISAGREE with the Voice?" - the Voice is unhappy 3. "On what grounds can it disagree with the Voice after any initial instance where it agrees with the Voice?" - let's hope we have voted smart people into Parliament who can make their mind up and not have to change their mind later. But, the short answer to your question is the same as 2. above: the Voice is unhappy 4. "How can you acknowlege Indigenous people as 'First Inhabitants' or 'First Owners' & then disagree with them on policy that 'Affects Them'" - easily if the advice is poor or there are other priorities that require the Government to disagree with the Voice's advice. 5. "how can you acknowledge somebody else as the rightful owner of something but legally deny them their own say on how to manage it?" - voting for the Voice does NOT acknowledge anyone's ownership of anything.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
@@chadjcraseLawyers and experts do know for sure: the Solicitor-General and the Attorney-General both issued their advice 5 months ago.
@chadjcrase
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherDoug I would respectfully posit that once something is in the constitution, the future practical effects are unknown by anyone, especially given that even once those individuals are long gone, the chapter is still in the constitution and always vulnerable to re-interpretations. As for your five points, they seem quite reasonable to me, but they all seem to make the assumption that the members of the Voice are actually going to act in good faith at all times, and always work for better outcomes.
@philipgibbs5751
Жыл бұрын
Just vote NO and all of these potential problems just go away.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Treaty and Truth Telling will remain
@gecado8407
Жыл бұрын
I’m voting No - too much fear of ‘Executive Government’ definition.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Had you even heard that term before watching this video?
@graemeburow1060
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@docstevens007
Жыл бұрын
Thanks John
@k.b4273
Жыл бұрын
Better the devil you know than the devil you dont! WOW what a minefield, If the yes vote gets in I think we will look for another country to live in. Governments over the past 30 years have slowly eroded the living standards of Australians. Its about time we stand up and fight for democracy as a whole.
@sidecarmisanthrope5927
Жыл бұрын
"Every member of parliament would read it"? Really? Albo hasn't even read the Uluru statement. "Why would I"? Was his answer when asked if he had read it.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Misinformation. Albanese was asked had he read the extra "25 pages" that someone didn't find on the Referendum Council website where they had been sitting in plain view for 6 years. He has read the Uluru Statement from the Heart - just not those pages which are a "synthesis"/summary of the Regional Dialogues.
@Thor88888
Жыл бұрын
Positive discrimination leads to entitlement, laziness, and ultimately corruption, in addition to ‘apartheid’ being introduced. Learn from Malaysia.
@fredbear-sf9st
Жыл бұрын
She elect politicians to run the country on our behalf. Not have a separate group tell the government what to do who will not be elected based on race or partial racial heritage.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
Then you had better abolished the Business Council of Australia, the Pharmacy Guild, the Australian Medical Association and each of the hundred other lobby groups that exist to advise the Government.
@kevinloughrey5135
Жыл бұрын
Section 51 subsection xxvi, which presently gives the Federal Government the right to make laws and regulations on the basis of a citizen's race, should be amended to specifically prohibit Governments at all levels throughout the Commonwealth from making laws and regulations that discriminate on the basis of a citizen's race or gender. It is intriguing to me that no politicians seem to be interested in this but most people I meet agree this change is necessary.
@jchink2708
Жыл бұрын
Ppl need to vote based on independent thinking not based on the party or government policy, which will no doubt mislead the citizen.
@valeriereed6690
Жыл бұрын
If the voice suceeds is it possible they will have the power to make other changes to the constitution eg. Rebuplic?
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
No - the Voice will be an advisory body only. It cannot make any laws and cannot force the government to do anything.
@user-ls8oi9fi7l
Жыл бұрын
Agree. The current socialist/communist government seems to be heading towards a Republic. Was listening to an article from America and Albanese was called a communist. My thoughts for some time. Big NO to the voice rubbish and hope the big A and labor don't push it through regardless. No trust in our government, sadly
@walmartgolem
Жыл бұрын
It's a NO all the way. It's not in the best interests of the tribal people.
@flyonthewalltheatre
Жыл бұрын
Vote NO.
@richardgrant418
Жыл бұрын
A person affected by a decision can initiate proceedings to have a decision re-assessed - as the law stands now. Potentially allowing a further body to come into existence, compared to the several which already exist, and that body taking a litigious or aggressive approach is so pie in-the sky. That unlikely scenario could easily and sensibly be avoided by the drafting of appropriate legislation defining the powers and limitations of any new body.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
The Solicitor-General has given a formal Opinion that the Voice will not be able to challenge the Government in the High Court. "That unlikely scenario could easily and sensibly be avoided by the drafting of appropriate legislation defining the powers and limitations of any new body" - that is exactly what will happen when the Voice legislation is written
@lornaeadie9197
11 ай бұрын
Shouldn't the PM remain neutral in this referendum ???
@jeremyschipp
Жыл бұрын
The voice does divides Australians and wants to control government nothing more
@stewatparkpark2933
Жыл бұрын
In other words it will be a complete legal nightmare .
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
No, it won't
@nickw4999
11 ай бұрын
It sounds great, let’s vote yes.
@kimtatami6559
11 ай бұрын
Why do we not have someone who has even half the brains of prof aroney as politicians ?
@jandubruyn8633
Жыл бұрын
Nothing good will come of a YES vote for anyone involved. This is ludicrous, different rules for different people(ethnic backgrounds)were tried in South Africa and it was a disaster.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
The Voice is an ADVISORY body. It can not be equated with apartheid. That is simply scare-mongering
@grahamjohnbarr
Жыл бұрын
If the Voice gets up then any Australian Government, before enacting any Bills or Laws, will have to consult "The Voice" before they can be presented to the Parliament. This will make "The Voice" a higher Authority than the Government. Think about that. If the Voice gets up then that will open the floodgates for all sorts of other Groups wanting a Voice. like the refugees from the Middle East. Looking at the Original; The Uluru Statement from the Heart. Specifically at Section 2.1. First Nations Dialogue. Page 2.1.2. Assessment of Reform Proposals Pages 11,12,13. I don't mind if there is a simple recognition of prior occupation put in the Preamble. In the Australian Constitution the following Amendments could be made without a Referendum. In Chapter 1. Part III. para. 25. line 1 after "persons" Delete "of any race are." In Chapter 1. Part III. para. 25. line 3, after "persons" Delete "of the race." In Chapter 1. Part V. para 51. sub. para. xxvi. Delete sub. para. xxvi. As for amending or adding a sub. para. 116a. (116. i.) to Chapter V. para. 116. Definitely not.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
~ "If the Voice gets up then any Australian Government, before enacting any Bills or Laws, will have to consult "The Voice": this is utterly INCORRECT. There will be no requirement that the Voice is consulted by the Government. ~ Anyone can have a Voice (not in the Constitution) - but they would need to get organised like the A&TSI representatives, work for 10+ years to get the support of a major political party. Nothing is stopping them - but no-one, other than A&TSI peoples could ask for Constitutional recognition. ~ Nobody is proposing any of the Constitutional changes you have listed
@andrewcorrell5000
11 ай бұрын
Great analysis of implication of legal standing of Voice! It is not as simple as it appears! Perhaps the saying, "give them one finger and they grab the whole hand" is true! It is far better to reject the proposal than to have a multitude of problems as a unintended consequences
@AnotherDoug
11 ай бұрын
Except ... all the legal issues discussed here will be eliminated one the Voice legislation is written. The Solicitor-General has said that the proposed Constitutional change clearly and unequivocally give Parliament the power to legislate everything to do with the Voice; there will be no ability for the Voice to challenge the Government in any court. www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=ea88212c-eccc-45d2-822c-8578fa96895c&subId=740367
@todd6798
Жыл бұрын
So danger is Government must inform and listen. Wow that is dangerous.
@lauriedooker1031
Жыл бұрын
Never volunteer without knowing what for and never vote unless you know what for 🇦🇺
@paulweston285
Жыл бұрын
Im researching my ancestry in the hope of jumping on this gravy train band wagon to get a slice of the action ! money will be falling from the sky !
@jasonh.8754
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I need to clarify: I studied contract law in Business school (yes, I know, just enough law to be dangerous) - this is property law 101. You need a contract lawer, not a constitutional lawyer - the constitutional nuts & bolts of this thing are the least of your problems. And don't think there aren't Aboriginal people all over this like a suburban lawyer on a TAC claim. If the 'Yes' vote goes through this guy is going to have to get another job or start learning Indigenous Law (& Lore), because our Constitution will be about as relevant & useful as week-old bread (read: it will have some value, but not a lot).
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
" just enough law to be dangerous" - not even. Nothing to do with property law
@mattmcguire1577
Жыл бұрын
The proposed s129 voice does not even make it clear that members of the voice must be indigenous nor even Australian citizens. S44 states MPs must be citizens and cannot be dual citizens. But nothing in s129.
@AnotherDoug
Жыл бұрын
That is a level of detail that is not needed in the Constitution. The Voice Principles (voice.gov.au/about-voice/voice-principles) articulate that Voice members must be Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander. If the Referendum is successful, the legislation to create the Voice will include the requirement that "Members of the Voice would be Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander, according to the standard three part test."
@sandrajohn9837
Жыл бұрын
Good point.
@user-hb1vp2wm6y
11 ай бұрын
There has been a Constitutional Expert Group consulted with since 2015 why is one person questioning the consultations and advice of this group.This bipartisan appointed Referendum Council has given the now opposing LNP plenty of opportunity up until now to raise concerns but there has been none just suggestions which usually have little to no factual basis.
@OliverMisha
Жыл бұрын
Question: what is the difference in terms of effectiveness or persuasion with respect to corporate lobbyists advising Government on policy compared with the voice? IE: Qantas lobbies government to not introduce new competitors to the airline industry which results in maintaining higher costs for flights. These outcomes affect all Australians and also has a broader impact on standards of employment and wages. Why is there no deep analysis on these matters which in many ways reflects what the voice may be representing?
@grahammorgan3858
11 ай бұрын
Do we have an unambiguous definition of who is and/or who is an indigenous Australian?
@raystravelsaustralia6737
Жыл бұрын
Stephen King couldn't write a better plot storyline.
@noallegiances8676
Жыл бұрын
They have a voice, its called a "VOTE", just like the rest of us.
@deviator43
Жыл бұрын
The catch is....Aboriginal people are already eaqual in status as Australians.....which means ANY legislation requires their participation because it involves them
@AnotherDoug
11 ай бұрын
Nope - the Attorney -General has said that the Voice can only advise on "matters SPECIFIC to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; and matters relevant to the Australian community … but which AFFECT Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples DIFFERENTLY to other members of the Australian community.”
@Andrew-dc2xj
Жыл бұрын
My ignorance, but if it's advisory only via recommendations, how can that be so worrying? Been obliged to take things into consideration is not obligatory??
@zacbarnett7783
Жыл бұрын
An unwritten 'moral obligation' to agree to the advice will exist, afterall, the 'advice' is 'formal' and by Aboriginals, in the interests of the Aboriginal people and Aboriginal cultural heritage...Like Albanese said not so long ago, "It would be a brave government that went against the Voice".
@asgardian001
Жыл бұрын
However the concern is that if it is considered that the advice has not been taken into proper consideration then it may be able to be referred to the high court for their interpretation whether the advice has been fully considered. It could then lead to bogging down necessary legislation and urgent legislation in a legal quagmire with corresponding costs and time delays.
@peterpiper831
Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be just advisory. thomas mayo, one of the architects of the voice, quite clearly said it was about paying the rent, reparations and any politician that would ignore the voice, would be punished. There are already hundreds of indigenous agencies/charities. Why haven't they advised ? National Indigenous Australian Agency Quote : " vision to ensure that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are HEARD, recognised and empowered." After $Billions spent, they can't simply advise ? Don't trust what lies are told. Vote NO.
@paulweston285
Жыл бұрын
Advisory on not only matters black but matters white too.
@MsAussieSheila
Жыл бұрын
We're seen people call racism for not supporting the voice. It will be worse if it succeeds and their views aren't implemented. Frankly when I see a group (supporters of the voice, not Aboriginals) using bullying tactics now to get what they want, I don't see why it would change if the voice passes. That is worrying to me. People will try to state those who oppose voicep recommendations as racists and so so to bully people to do what they want.
@just_passing_through
11 ай бұрын
It’s an advisory body. They can only make suggestions. They have no power. FFS, even a royal commission can only make “suggestions”, but it can’t force the government to act upon the recommendations.
@aussie7368
11 ай бұрын
Vote NO to corruption and the labour party
@claregray7296
Жыл бұрын
Vote No to voice, NO
@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269
Жыл бұрын
John, is there any way to raise the volume? It's just soft enough so that I can't hear it over the shop equipment or my lawnmower.
@vt1940
Жыл бұрын
We are on Dangerous Rocky Ground.
@bards7443
10 ай бұрын
wow. I think we dodged at huge bullet on Saturday 14th October. Phew !
@alexwoo3504
Жыл бұрын
Vote No! Simple as that!
@ronnie7075
Жыл бұрын
An Indigenous Constitutional Lawyer in Canberra says No & Tony Mundine and others say No. So that is good enough for me.
@claregray7296
Жыл бұрын
Not clear so I vote NO.
@shogiwar
Жыл бұрын
I'm confused , why do they not know what the wording is . The AEC says the proposed changes to the constitution says - 129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia: i there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice; ii the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; iii the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.
@user-sm8cg9cr7v
11 ай бұрын
What I see happening if the Voice passes is that every bit of legislation proposed by parliament will have to be approved by the Voice. The Voice will be linked to United Nations treaties/agreements. The Voice could end up having its own political party and politicians.
@AnotherDoug
11 ай бұрын
"every bit of legislation proposed by parliament will have to be approved by the Voice" - that is simply not true but is used in the No Campaign as fear mongering. The proposed wording of the Constitutional change says that the "Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;" ~ "make representations" means "give advice" ~ "on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples" means the Voice can ONLY give advice on laws or policies that specifically impact A&TSI people. This further means the Voice CANNOT comment on every "bit of legislation" as most legislation does NOT specifically impact A&TSI people in a way different from all other Australians. " the Voice will be linked to United Nations" - no, it won't. It is a body to give advice to the Australian Government. UN is NOT involved. "could end up having its own political party and politicians" - the Voice is an ADVISORY body, it is not political nor will it have politicians.
@user-sm8cg9cr7v
11 ай бұрын
@@AnotherDoug Will Parliament be able to ignore any advice the Voice gives it? Or will the Voice have International treaties to back it up that Australia has signed up too?
@AnotherDoug
11 ай бұрын
@@user-sm8cg9cr7v Parliament and the Government will always have the absolute right to ignore any advice provided by the Voice. The Voice has no power other than to give advice to the Australian Government. The Voice cannot "have international treaties" with any one or anything. Any treaties that Australia has signed (are there any?) bind the Government, not the Voice.
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