Totally agree on the turbine transition, I went from being a CFII right to flying tours and Part 135 charters in a EC130B4 and AS350's without any turbine time.
@celsopunzalan4929
Жыл бұрын
If you don’t mind me asking, how long have you been flying and how much do you make currently? And where did you go to get your schooling?
@MisplacedMotoVlogger
Жыл бұрын
@@celsopunzalan4929 Started in 2003 at a flight school in NJ.
@ADobbin1
Жыл бұрын
I think medium level jobs would be working hydro lines or moving trees for lumber companies, mapping fields. Stuff like that. But those jobs are boring and the article is trying to sell the 40k course so you gotta make it sound better than it is. The thing about universities is that unless you are becoming an engineer or something they are just a scam. 90% of the jobs out there can be taught on the job outside Uni. This whole article reminds me of what the schools were saying about the computer industry back when I was in high school, "Join us and you'll get a high paying job right out of school!!!".
@Jc-dc2jg
Жыл бұрын
Easiest way to work it out, find comparable fix wing job, half the pay, double the time away from home and delete the benefits then you’ve got what you’d be paid if you were flying choppers. I fly both
@shockerthreeone
11 ай бұрын
I got my training through the military, my first civilian job was flying the GOM (52k) then one year later I started flying EMS (54k). I did that for 5 years and left the company making (70k). All of this was from 2007-2013. I think EMS is starting out around 84-92k these days.
@buythedip463
11 ай бұрын
Which mil were you in sir
@shockerthreeone
11 ай бұрын
@@buythedip463 Army National Guard…still serving flying UH72s (EC145)
@airmanfirstclass3535
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for a candid review on the pilot salaries and road to gaining experience. I'm considering getting my rotary wing rating. Just weighing my options
@davidhoward5687
Жыл бұрын
It sucks that helicopter pilots did not get the same treatment as airline pilots. Regional pilots coming in with 1,500 hours are making over $100k a year starting out and that's without overtime.
@Recklessness97
Жыл бұрын
Yep helicopters cost more to own, maintain, and cost more to train in/get certified, and are harder to fly compared to their fixed wing counterpart and much more dangerous. Also take all that into consideration with the fact that entry level fixed wing pilots at airlines, like you said, are making $80,000 to $100,000 STARTING off and will be making somewhere $300,000 to $400,000 by the time they retire. Where as rotor wing pilots will take at least 5-10 years to even break $100,000 if lucky. The Professional Pilot Magazine put out there 2023 Pilot Salary Study. The average experienced (2,000+ hours) corporate helicopter pilot makes $165,000 after YEARS of flying and it stays around there by retire. Laughable when compared to the starting salary for a fresh out of ATP school fixed wing pilot.
@davidhoward5687
Жыл бұрын
@@Recklessness97 I would have loved to have gone into helicopters but the cost of schooling and little pay was not worth it to me. Maybe one day I’ll venture into it but only as a hobby.
@Recklessness97
Жыл бұрын
@@davidhoward5687 Yeah I'm in a similar boat as you. I was looking into aviation as career but both helicopter and fixed wing training all the way to commercial/ATP is just way to expensive. Rotor wing just pays way to little compared to the complete cost of training and hours needed. The cost of fixed wing ATP cert with the airlines would pay off but I don't really like the lifestyle, culture, and "prim and proper" (wearing uniforms and no facial hair, I like my beard) of the airlines. Helicopter aviation world is more "laid back" and not as strict on facial hair (depending on the job). I've seen some heli pilots with some awesome beards. We're probably better off investing/saving our money and using it for our passion for aviation as hobby. Best of luck to you!
@rebeccawhalen8855
Жыл бұрын
💵 So this was an interesting video because I am planning on attending SUU next summer and recently traveled cross country to tour thier hangers, and what they were telling me was very similar to what you read on thier website. They tried to upsell I will say this though, the flight instructors there do make a bit more that average (or at least the ones that I spoke to). I think they did try to embellish the truth for me while I visited to get me to sign up but they have the facilities to back up thier training (they have the highest percentage of Post 9/11 GI Bill students, and that probably plays into why so many people go there, but as a civilian pilot, it was still my first choice.) Love Mauna Loa though!!
@jellydonut360
Жыл бұрын
Currently going to SUU for the helicopter program, using the GI Bill to pay for it.
@ethanrangel6522
Жыл бұрын
How has that whole experience been for you? I'm a veteran considering SUU, but I've heard bad things about the school and them taking advantage of veterans. Has it been fine for you and how often do you get to fly?
@jellydonut360
Жыл бұрын
@@ethanrangel6522 it’s been fine for me. But the school has been accepting more students than they can teach. During my ground class more than half don’t have flight spots. Not really the schools fault, just word got out that this is the place to be. Just have a solid application and recommendation letter. I’m scheduled for two flights a week and your able to fly more if your instructor can find a open spot.
@gismoo77
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton for your videos. They help me a lot for taking a decision whether I should train for the PLL and CPL license by the age of 45 with the goal to make a decent amount of money. I think the PPL is definitely feasible, maybe even in my 50es and beyond. But the hours (and CPL) needed to be recognised as an experienced pilot would take me at least 3-5 years. I would then be close to the age of 50. I don’t know if people are willing to book a pilot in his 50es or 60es… the answer might be: no. So the time window for a reasonable ROI might be just to small. What’s your honest opinion, guys?
@ericrhinehart6055
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I know some who have done it at that age, but they were financially set and married to an incoming producer who was tired of having them home all the time anyway!
@captjb407
Жыл бұрын
Good news for anyone getting started now. At this time in the industry pilots are badly needed, and it's projected to get even worse over the next decade. That has driven salaries up significantly, making it much easier to see that ROI, whatever you consider reasonable. It also means there are plenty of opportunities for pilots in their 50s or 60s.
@lizzminge
6 сағат бұрын
@@captjb407I’m 35 now do you think it’s late for me to get into a decent role flying helos? Thanks in advance
@rcavuk6796
Жыл бұрын
Love your vids bro looking to start at The same helicopter school as you in Hawaii next year and been looking back on a lot of your vids and there really helpfully!!! Thanks
@dg7943
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for those statistics Devin. It was good to watch that. (Ad's are quite annoying - hope you'll soon reach your 1.5k hours so you could ease with this YT money earning;) Anyway well done video!
@PilotDevin
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha 🤣🤣 yessir!!! Thanks man. Seriously appreciate that. Made me chuckle
@topofthegreen
Жыл бұрын
When you said this article, that makes sense, they are selling their expensive flight school.
@egeft
Жыл бұрын
Well done..I love watching your videos Devin🥳🥳 It’s super important to tell people the truth about heli pilot salaries, and their true opportunities once they’re done with school….there’s a lot of BS info out there. Keep up the good work💰💵💸 Elad.
@Starfightingf104
Жыл бұрын
I'd really enjoy a tuna boat video if you would be so kind to make one!
@vivaquitocarajo
Жыл бұрын
Schools try to get as much money from you , so be smart about your investment ! 💰
@Discoveringme123
Жыл бұрын
Dude that's the school I am training at. SUU just got out the Army to. Using my gi bill to pay for it.
@devingarcia6178
Жыл бұрын
Hey bud I got about a year b4 I get my DD214 and I was planning on applying for suu once I get out , would u mind giving me the run through on your experience getting in and how well the gi bill pays for the schooling ? I’ve called the school but I’d rather hear from a actual student vet .
@UDONT_NOME
Жыл бұрын
@@devingarcia6178 BAH probably needs to cath up with that area. One really big tip I wish I had gotten was to start looking for housing right away. Male housing is kind of hard to find if you are looking last minute. Especially if you are looking for a chill place, it is a Mormon town so most places will not allow alcohol or visitors stay past a certain time, kind of like barracks life.
@UDONT_NOME
Жыл бұрын
I did forget to say I am starting this upcoming spring
I got my commercial in Helicopters back in 2008. I ended up going in a different direction because there were no jobs. Now I’m 36 and training fixed wing. My goal is to be in the regionals before I’m 40. If I could do it all again I would have gone FW from day one.
@riod43
Жыл бұрын
Why don't you just apply for Skywest or Envoy? They have a RTP program and provide a monetary incentive. Or just apply to the Frontier RTAG program if you have enough hours and skip the regionals!
@riod43
Жыл бұрын
@@JH-qqqqqiim I was scammed by the Silver State Helicopter school back around 2008 and experienced the same thing. No jobs, so I know where you are coming from.
@RudeHelicopter
Жыл бұрын
Went straight to tours after school. Pay is much worse than being a CFI.
@johnrambo7313
Жыл бұрын
I really hope you can talk about the tuna boat in detail, because I think it's cool to be able to fly md500 at sea and the accumulated flight time is very fast
@jadler10
Жыл бұрын
A guy on KZitem used to have a heli VLOG until his employer fired him for one of his helicopters N#s being in a video. He switched to tuna boat flying to build hours cause he had to. He quit the boats after a month or two. he said..... you are always inhaling the boat's diesel fumes, you live in cramped quarters on Taiwanese/Korean flagged vessels where OHSA standards don't exist. The food is terrible. What surprised me the most was that this guy was clearly a conservative type that didn't seem to care much for the environment or wildlife... and he said a big reason he left was because of the complete the disregard for life and the environment that the workers had on the boats. If they caught turtles or fish that weren't on the menu that they would often beat and kill them before throwing them back, they'd regularly left nets in the ocean, and trash was burned and or just thrown over board. If enough extra fish were caught, then fuel reserves were thrown over board to make room for the catch. Furthermore he said that the helicopters were scrupulously maintained... you are in the middle of the ocean for months at a time how do you expect them to get spare parts? No FAA around to actually enforce the FARs either. I'm not going to find the video, type it in search i'm sure you'll find it and let me know if I'm exaggerating, this video is from 2012-2015 after all, might be dated...... oh and one more thing, if you don't finish a contract you likely won't get paid, even if you do finish you still might not get paid unless you want to hang around Guam waiting for a court date which they know most beginner chopper pilots can't afford to do.
@terrysmith4341
10 ай бұрын
WOW most of what you said was none sense
@BitesizedChris
Жыл бұрын
A reality is that fresh pilots have de-valued themselves. Majority of entry level roles my research has come across are paid in experience alone, largely due to the naturally weak mentality of a beginner in an industry, fearful that if they don’t get hours up they won’t get good jobs, so sign on as “line pilots” for travel tourism on a zero dollars an hour basis in an attempt to gain experience. Good thought initially, however now it’s become a standard practise, and lots of new pilots are doing the same, meaning they are queueing up in a rota to work a couple of hours every couple of weeks, while juggling a regular job to pay bills.
@_rehkop_
Жыл бұрын
Have you looked at any air methods pilot job listings recently? All of them list an associates degree or 2 year equivalent as a requirement, and a bachelors or 4 year equivalent as preferred. I assume they will hire the right person with the right hours without a degree, but it makes me wonder. Any thoughts?
@ericrhinehart6055
Жыл бұрын
That's HR speak for "I had to get mine, so...." The CP could care less if you are an ex-con HS dropout, or whatever; as long as you warm the seat and not break the equipment!
@ericrhinehart6055
Жыл бұрын
150K? Nope, very few in that group. 30 to 60k is doable for your first ten years or so. Return on investment for obtaining a commercial helicopter rating is very, very poor. 5,000 hours equates to 10 years working in craphole places for barely decent income .....AFTER you pay the dues getting the first 1000hrs working for free.
@PilotDevin
Жыл бұрын
No you are not correct. 30-60 your first year - 2, $100,000 or more 5-10 years in is absolutely to be expected
@ericrhinehart6055
Жыл бұрын
@@PilotDevin Well, 30k to 60k to start is doable, and even more if you are willing to take on "work over" days and have little time off. 100k based on 40hrs a week (normal work schedule) simply does not exist in the real aviation world even if you get that S-92 (IFR CPT) job for a major operator. 14 days on and 14 days off away from home means at minimum two days commute, so figure 16 away and 10 home. Minimum 12 hour duty day and sometimes 14hrs. 7 and 7 with commute (HAA) is even less time home. Travel expenses? Put those figures against someone who works five days a week, 8 hours a day, and a day off is a day off and things are brought into perspective. Now factor in the money spent for certifications, money (lost work) working for peanuts trying to build time for years ... better to get an accounting degree and work for a CPA, or a teaching credential and teach junior high math, ..... Take into account retirement .. you are one heartbeat away from failed medical and unemployment every second of every day. Do the math and see that the manager at Sam's club makes more hourly. Oh, and the "love of flying" doesn't help when you have a family that sees you less than half of each month. A S-92 IFR SIC at Bristow with 15 years experience does not make 100K base. Ask me how I know!
@RightLaneGuy
Жыл бұрын
So SUU is offering just CPR certificate besides the associate or bachelors degree. Shall I apply for certificate program instead and is enough? where after that shall I apply for job and build more flight hours? Thanks.
@TodayOntheField
29 күн бұрын
11:58 seeing your little baby raspberry face and all what you deny makes me say you cut corners and made the smallest course possible! I agree to all what youve deniyed! Espatially the degree! Here in canada you can choose the Canadian course or the Professional Collegial course wich allows you to work in the 52 countries of the commonwealth! For sure you have acces to higher wages and funner jobs with the Collegial Course!
@henryvinson1
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Interesting information.
@AngelsProtectMe
10 ай бұрын
Not fair to say the extra certs are bullshit... the program itself includes these certifications in their flight labs imagine you and another guy submit a resume to the same place with the same hours but he has a degree and can list the extra certs who would you hire?
@jadler10
Жыл бұрын
How long have you been working as a CFII? Where are you at now?
@lookingforwookiecopilot
Жыл бұрын
Under 1,000 hours giving rides in an R44? Take what a burger flipper at McDonald's makes,... ,...and subtract $4 bucks an hour, lol!
@nobodyimportant893
4 ай бұрын
$30k/yr works out to about $15/hr... If flying is only worth $15/hr yet costs that much money to get a commercial pilot license, no wonder few have the interest anymore. 🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️
@JH-qqqqqiim
Жыл бұрын
$100,000 is what a first year FO makes at the major airlines. Flying planes is less expensive to train and you make 3X more money.
@SkateCantSkate
Жыл бұрын
True. But you’re also never home. And helicopters are cooler. 😉
@carter20262
7 ай бұрын
How much time do you need to build up these thousands of hours usually?
@zacknewton8304
5 ай бұрын
💰
@meredithmiller3115
6 ай бұрын
You’re talking shit! I’m an off shore helicopter pilot that works in oil and gas flying an s92 and my salary is close to300k
@heisBen1
Ай бұрын
Hello there, Please, I'm thinking of getting a helicopter license rather than fixed wing, so I don't know if it's worth it and if it gives good return on investment
@gs550t81
Жыл бұрын
I wanna know how many of their cfis have degrees and make $60k/yr.
@alphaalpha5007
11 ай бұрын
None
@janmcfarren7842
Жыл бұрын
💰 😮
@shawnedwards5369
4 ай бұрын
💸💰🤑
@JasumZ
5 ай бұрын
🤑
@regiomendonca9707
Жыл бұрын
💵
@angiedelaney4593
4 ай бұрын
💵💸😂
@GR1MBZ
Жыл бұрын
💰💰💰💰
@gs550t81
Жыл бұрын
🤑🤑🤑
@DoItdave1
Жыл бұрын
Couple things to add about external load, your employer could pay for this but if the company you want to work for sees you don’t have it they won’t hire you. As what we have heard from clients This is super dangerous with our proper training/ on job training. Your employer will give you 5 hours to go mess with the line and when you are unable to control it. They see you are unfit or not work investing more time. (Turbine costs to train) You can kill your self or your ground crew fast if you get out of control. (Vortex ring state, line swinging out of control) The I won’t have a problem attitude or macho guy could end extremely bad. Be humble out there! Don’t think you above anyone because you could either kill your self or someone else! I’ve worked for Volo Mission, a leading company teaching long lining. Many people will come to us and pay for it them selfs. The Roi is high because you now have a superior skill that is not easy by any means. This is explained in simple terms and no one can do it out of the gate. It takes time to learn how to fly with a line. For more information check out Volomission.com
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