It seems they missed the forest for the trees here. They wrote all this and overlooked the simple fact that there are just way more cars on the road today.
@alonknaan4536
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for noticing
@long-timelistenerfirst-t-us2yy
4 жыл бұрын
*and nobody pays attention to the road half as much as they do to their g-d damned f**king phones!!! case in point, the car that straddled the yard of that house. its one thing to be driving down the slope, **_its another to drift into someone's yard_** ... that only happens if you're not paying attention (or it was icy AF).*
@long-timelistenerfirst-t-us2yy
4 жыл бұрын
@@nikolayessani1608 - *not really. they routinely pillage the road budget for welfare rolls.*
@bdfunke
4 жыл бұрын
long-time listener , first-time caller welfare rolls? Are they anything like crunchy rolls?
@TheMangoMovement
4 жыл бұрын
That doesn't really account for the small town example, apps are making people move through small towns or roads that they didn't previously
@HSMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a transportation engineer, I see this as a sort of NIBYism -- "I want my local street" to be easy for me to drive on, but not for others. What L.A. did with Baxter Street is the right answer. Use one-way streets, break up through roads, and even change a grid-system of local roads into a series of U-shaped loops, or a complicated labyrinth that only locals will want to use. Bottom line: To reduce traffic volume on a street, force drivers to travel more slowly, and the apps won't route people onto them..
@pmarreck
4 жыл бұрын
* NIMBY
@MosesMatsepane
4 жыл бұрын
There are too many buffoons on KZitem, qualifying yourself as a professional is not going to help at all. Because most of the 'comment section experts' refute real professionals and experts.
@campkira
4 жыл бұрын
if you know the road... alll you care is which road is close...
@HSMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
In Minneapolis and St. Paul, where I grew up, there are small districts platted out in the 19th Century, where the designer made all the roads sharply curved and also short, because he (of course) was not imagining anything faster than a walking horse would use them. In additions, the streets intersect at "T" intersections, or even split into "Y" intersections sometimes. These areas are both nick-named "Tangletown," because you have to know the road system to get through them. Furthermore, with all the curves, trees and houses on small lots, fast driving is unsafe. I think this would be a much better design than typical cul-de-sacs, by encouraging walking, cycling, and even public transportation, be easier to provide police and fire protection, while still discouraging motorists looking for "short-cuts," which is what the cul-de-sac design is intended to achieve. Who else lives in a city with a "Tangletown" district like this? Does anyone live in a city where this street design is common?
@LeoTTwn
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! We also need more coverage of traffic calming to make neighborhoods unpleasant for through traffic.
@ncochran01
4 жыл бұрын
"The app rerouted uses onto this inclined street, which caused crashes." The app didn't cause the crash, unprepared, unskilled or not paying attention drivers caused the crash.
@BitcoinMotorist
4 жыл бұрын
I have been routed down that street in Echo Park before. The top of the hill is a blind stop sign. It’s a dangerous road. The only good thing is it doesn’t snow in LA
@doujinflip
4 жыл бұрын
More congestion means more raw failures in driving
@yato3335
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but some cars with low suspension might even get damaged on such a steep hill
@prosto9995
4 жыл бұрын
Its strage to confirm dangerouse roads, just close it for public if its so scary and spooky to use.
@dbclass4075
4 жыл бұрын
@@prosto9995 Or convert that road into shared space, if access to property is still needed.
@surfie007
4 жыл бұрын
With Waze, and probably other navigation apps, normal roads are actually categorised in 5 seperate categories for how major the road is. So if it’s a main road, even if side streets will save you a couple minutes, it will still route you along the main road. Only if the main road is significantly congested will Waze route you down a regular road
@UmmYeahOk
4 жыл бұрын
Probably a setting. Usually the default is if it’s 5 minutes faster it will either automatically redirect, or ask for permission.
@Liggliluff
4 жыл бұрын
Google Maps, from what could have been seen from the map editor that was available before, had more than 5 categories, with the last two having restrictions on navigation. The last one was no motor vehicles, so roads limited to buses and such. The one before that was the no drive-through road, that was used inside suburban areas. So the navigation will not suggest you entering such road unless you are required to enter such to reach your location.
@deerfloats4439
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting how easy it is to blame technology instead of inadequate infrastructure
@yct2.0
Жыл бұрын
took the words are out of my mouth
@octoboi
Жыл бұрын
"just one more lane bro"
@zdrux
4 жыл бұрын
This seems like an algorithm problem, not a "these apps cause gridlock" problem. If a side street is faster, then people should be able to use it. If it is in fact slower, then it is the calculation done by the algorithm that is at fault. An adjustment in polling speed should be able to fix this.
@vandelay_industries
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That thought was on my mind the whole way through the video. If the algorithm keeps redirecting people to tight street and that continuously creates congestion, the algorithm should recognize that over time and not route (or not route as many) cars there anymore. The solution to this isn't banning navigation apps, the solution is, as with most AI problems, more data and better algorithms.
@Jhilke007
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like Google map underestimates time wasted in city traffic lights.
@insatsuki_no_koshou
4 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of Braess's paradox?
@Clowd009
4 жыл бұрын
Local/side streets do not exist for the convience of passers-by, they exist for local resident/business access and community space. Rerouting to local streets is not the solution, these streets should never be used "at capacity". Living between two points of interest should not subject locals to all the noise, pollution, dangers, and costs of more car traffic in their neighborhood.
@talcat8031
4 жыл бұрын
Yes I totally agree! The people here think that regulating the apps is the solution that just is so silly!
@ArcangelOrtiz
4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps these apps could take into account the number of people trying to navigate through the alternate roads and take traffic flow rates into account.
@christophmayer3991
4 жыл бұрын
They do, or at least try to. But oftentimes the congestion is not at the start where people exit the freeway but later on when they enter again (coming from different directions) or have to cross a big street without traffic lights. But at the time that increased traffic hits the bottleneck a significant number of people already left the freeway and now everyone has to "squeeze" through. It's actually not a trivial problem to solve but "just keeping everyone on the freeway", as proposed by the city planners, really isn't a solution either. You could do a lot with machine learning (and I'm pretty sure they already do) or car2x communication to dynamically reroute traffic but the underlying problem is not fixed by that, it's just a bandaid. What's needed is roads that can handle the traffic and appropriately sized bypass roads.
@T1Oracle
4 жыл бұрын
There's always going to be some lag between when the situation changes, when the app finds out, and when it has rerouted accordingly.
@fish3977
4 жыл бұрын
@@T1Oracle so make it overestimate the amount of people on low bandwich roads
@lonestarr1490
4 жыл бұрын
@@christophmayer3991 What's really needed is fewer cars on the streets by setting up waaaay more and reliable public transportation.
@StinkyWizleteets
4 жыл бұрын
@@lonestarr1490 except the US is not setup for public transportation. Everything is too spread out.
@pursue360
4 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to know difference in cars from 2012 to 2017.
@lonestarr1490
4 жыл бұрын
In the mean? Bigger, heavier, way more electronics, require more gasoline, fewer passengers, and thus there are overall _more_ of them.
@jeffwei
4 жыл бұрын
@@lonestarr1490 what's your source? you're suggesting that average gas mileage has actually gone down since 2012? that doesn't seem right.
@zach4604
4 жыл бұрын
@Lone Starr They factually do not use more fuel. Corporate average fuel economy standards went up from 25.3 mpg combined in 2012 to 29.4 mpg combined in 2017. You will find few automotive manufacturers who fail to meet that standard
@Miquelalalaa
4 жыл бұрын
Pursue360 They all have trackers in them now
@mirzaahmed6589
4 жыл бұрын
@@lonestarr1490 none of those are true.
@CZsWorld
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like an easy fix. Have the apps communicate with each other. Have a server that only re-routes a certain amount of people.
@LuukDomhof
4 жыл бұрын
Keeping track of exactly where you navigate every single user of your app is rather computationally expensive and would really slow down route generation.
@xuhuiming2694
4 жыл бұрын
Luuk Domhof Just assign each user a random seed say between 1 and 3, and the route you get would depend on that number.
@LuukDomhof
4 жыл бұрын
@@xuhuiming2694 that kind of defeats the purpose of finding the best possible route, doesn't it?
@GyroCannon
4 жыл бұрын
@@LuukDomhof Having gridlock defeats the purpose of a navigation app that is supposed to reduce your travel times, doesn't it?
@LittleRainGames
4 жыл бұрын
"Easy fix"
@jasertio
4 жыл бұрын
I love how Leonia decided to ban outsiders and of course their businesses were negatively affected.
@user-zd9fc4vs4q
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah lol dumb ass city officials, just suck it up or build larger road networks.
@yiannifunataoldotcom
4 жыл бұрын
A classic example of detrimental governmental interventions
@johns8364
4 жыл бұрын
That's the typical Bergen County (where Leonia is) attitude. It's a bunch of rich entitled d-bags and New Jersey Housewives.
@DVeck89
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like such a NJ thing to do
@erikito6092
4 жыл бұрын
They didn't ban outsiders. They closed 60 presumably residential roads to non-residents during rush hour traffic. At least watch the video if you're going to comment.
@skellurip
4 жыл бұрын
you can fix the algorithm as much as you want but the real problem is there are too many cars on the road just build more mass transports
@user-nf9xc7ww7m
4 жыл бұрын
Or work where you live - mixed zoning, and walk to work. Use that extra 1-3 hours that was spent on the road to meet your family. They miss you. 😙
@user-zd9fc4vs4q
4 жыл бұрын
I don't care what form of mass transportation exists, I want to drive myself places & be in full control over where I take the vehicle. Plus over time it's cheaper to use your own car/motorcycle. Like a train ride from the east costs to the west, the coast is extremely expensive, but if you drive yourself it's only about $350 in fuel. Uber alone is overpriced like hell, I can sometimes make a few short trips a day to the store or just running about the city. 3 short trips there & back will cost about $100 to uber just because of their base fee vs me spending $5 - $6 for gas in an average fuel efficiency sedan. Plus you can't do shit all with public transportation, I can go on road trips & sleep in my car or stuff the trunk with camping supplies, I can tow a trailer or seadoo with my car easily. I would never give up the freedom of a personal vehicle for efficient public transportation. Plus I've ridden on a buy many times, it's shit & slow. Stopping every minute doubles the travel time, then you also have to match their schedule. Public transportation sucks & will always suck because of its core nature in having to accommodate for everyone makes it worse for everyone too.
@sandyrodriguez7380
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m as great as that would be, some people don't have that privilege. First of all if we look at placed like LA, there is urban sprawl in the sense that some people live farther from work due to affordability and yes this does include the money they spend from driving long distances. I agree with @skellton man, what the cities need is mass transport. I also would like to add that the transport should be a faster form of transportation than vehicles to appeal to consumers. Recently the SD county has been in talks of implementing ideas like these to their county, you should search it up it is very informative
@MarcillaSmith
4 жыл бұрын
Laity in the KZitem comments section shouldn't be any more responsible for fixing transportation issues than app developers. We're just trying to do our best to deal with the baseline issue which is insufficient transportation infrastructure. The idea that politicians want to turn around and blame apps for a problem that existed well before smartphones is infuriating. Closing streets sounds like making the problem worse, not better
@caberful
4 жыл бұрын
do both
@joermnyc
4 жыл бұрын
“Recalculating.”
@cigmorfil4101
4 жыл бұрын
"The apps sent drivers down the road causing crashes." No. You may as well say that the 30% gradient caused crashes as roads with less gradients have less crashes per 100 cars. The crashes were caused by drivers not paying attention to the road and driving inappropriately for the conditions. That statement blaming the apps is typical of Americans wanting to blame anyone, or anything, else for their own bad behaviour.
@SunflowerSpotlight
4 жыл бұрын
I flagged that too. Videos from this channel are always hit and miss because of stuff like this. It wasn’t the only thing I bumped on either. It’s frustrating because they sometimes have good video ideas and follow through, but other times, nope.
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
This. When they said that, I was just shaking my head. If anything the fault is upon drivers paying more attention to their navigation app than the road and their driving. I refuse to use those apps.
@BallerDan53
4 жыл бұрын
It really sounds like the apps are pointing out major flaws in the city design but instead of addressing their congestion issue the cities try to ban the apps.
@ImaFirinMyLazuh
4 жыл бұрын
I always love when it gives me a route that is so much longer than other routes to save 1 minute. 7 miles on a divided highway? Why not 11 miles on an interstate to save 1 minute? Those extra miles suggested are typically on more expensive (ie faster, more infrastructure required) roads and increase VMT. That's a lot of taxes for these 1-2 minutes here and there...
@marquisdelafayette1929
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was with my friend and it was saying to go a certain way to save 4 mins.. but it was a toll road and would have costed $4.60. She didn’t know and probably would have gone that way if I didn’t tell her.
@campkira
4 жыл бұрын
because it not smartest thing... it more like for new in town than locol driver...
@User31129
4 жыл бұрын
@MsSunhappy Not really because not many states have toll roads. Oklahoma, Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, and Florida are the only ones I know of.
@LeoTTwn
4 жыл бұрын
We need tolls.
@simplicitylost
4 жыл бұрын
MsSunhappy You can easily turn toll options off though. I always do when I'm driving locally. I only turn it back on if I'm driving out of state.
@captainmakai
4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: invest in public transport.
@ThePixel1983
4 жыл бұрын
@armedwatchman You probably don't want it because you have no idea how good it can be. Of course it's not ideal for rural areas.
@skellurip
4 жыл бұрын
just rename it private mass transport and it's good to go
@skellurip
4 жыл бұрын
@armedwatchman like a road?
@skellurip
4 жыл бұрын
@armedwatchman lol what's the different a road is a road
@ratamacue0320
4 жыл бұрын
@armedwatchman bullshit. Infrastructure like roads are natural monopolies.
@davidray6962
4 жыл бұрын
The mapping issue is bigger than reported - I can't tell you how many times people driving in rural parts of Arkansas have had to be rescued after being directed down private logging roads or platted streets that were never actually built or former roads that were abandoned after a highway was rerouted. Often they don't know anything is wrong until their car is destroyed. About a year ago, I assisted in the rescue of an older man - the bottom of his transmission was ripped out by the large rocks that made up much of the private road through dozens of miles of heavy forest which his app said was the quickest way to his destination. The owner of the private road had gates up to block entry, but they happened to have been open for a work crew when the old man turned in. His car wasn't found until nearly two days after he turned onto the private road, and it was several more hours before the man was found lost in the woods. I've heard of similar from people I know out west of drivers lost in the desert because drivers are sent down "roads" that just don't exist until their vehicles overheat or run out of gas.
@dputra
4 жыл бұрын
I've experienced a similar situation in Indonesia several years ago. Google maps directed me to a forest, saying it's quicker than the main road. Later on, the app simply stopped giving directions (it directed me to a rocky road without any alternate routes, but I stopped because I'm afraid my scooter will be broken). Later on, some local villagers rescued me for money. I got a badly scratched scooter, lost some money, and arrived home really late at night 🤦 Several months later, I'm in a similar situation. Now I'm directed to another forest. This time, the road is not even walkable. I don't understand how an off-road track got into the map.
@philipramsden4975
4 жыл бұрын
Driving to Louisiana a few years ago, GPS directed me to take 5+ hours of back roads through Arkansas as opposed to taking the freeway down through Mississippi and then West. It was absolutely ridiculous and probably only saved me a few minutes and I could have made that up on the freeway
@ratamacue0320
4 жыл бұрын
I hope conscientious citizens and users like yourselves are reporting these issues to the app vendors so they can improve their routing and prevent those mishaps from happening to you and others again.
@T1Oracle
4 жыл бұрын
I'm so lucky I married a woman who can navigate. If the GPS takes us down the wrong way she fixes it. Even if we've never been there before she figures out it on the fly.
@SkylarsTerribleMemes
4 жыл бұрын
Use the GPS to figure out where you are, use your brain to figure out where to go.
@richarda3764
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best things about navigation is being able to pull up directions from home before I need to go to a new location. I can check out the route, street view the actual location to get a feel for parking and what the building looks like, and get the estimated time to drive. I'm always able to get to appointments on time now, but without being crazy early. I sometimes will use rerouting when offerend and it has both worked and not. There's obviously a lot of work to do on that front, but the maps themselves and being able to study them in advance is priceless.
@BradHouser
4 жыл бұрын
The way Waze works, is they rely on many drivers to have Waze running in order to send their speed and location info to the cloud. (This should not be a privacy issue, as the location and speed information is kept anonymous, one hopes.) The fewer people running the app, the less accurate the information is, so the developers have to make certain assumptions. For example, if only one car per mile has Waze open, at 60 MPH, for a given point on the road, the speed identified at the spot will be up to one minute old. Waze would need to average out the information received from the crowd, and this means there is a delay between cause and effect. If a freeway is flowing at the limit, Waze will not send you down a local street with a 25mph limit. If there is too much traffic and the freeway is crawling at 5 mph, then the 25mph street looks better. With only a few Waze drivers on that street the actual speed can be delayed. Eventually, all the streets become saturated and everyone is crawling. I can understand the concerns of people on local streets. My suggestion is to make those streets less desirable by reducing speed limits, adding stop signs, speed bumps, and other traffic calming changes. This creates another bottleneck, and everyone pays with longer drives.
@now4y
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the problem is not the apps redirecting users in secondary roads but all the traffic funneled into a few massive highways
@DiamondCalibre
4 жыл бұрын
To say the US shot itself in the foot by only relying on cars for transit is an understatement. We shot out both our kneecaps and then we insist the solution is adding more lanes.
@randomjake1488
4 жыл бұрын
DiamondCalibre You’re absolutely right, every time I see one of these videos all I think is why don’t we just build more public transportation and we wouldn’t have any of these issues at all.
@theeraphatsunthornwit6266
4 жыл бұрын
Is it because it is vast country and population is not yet dense enough for public transport to work well.
@xuhuiming2694
4 жыл бұрын
Theeraphat Sunthornwit No. Some places in Europe have much smaller and less dense populations, but their railways and buses are amazing.
@theeraphatsunthornwit6266
4 жыл бұрын
@@xuhuiming2694 such as? Which country?
@Joesolo13
4 жыл бұрын
@@theeraphatsunthornwit6266 No. That's simply False. You're really telling me New York City, San Fran, Chicago, are not dense enough for public transit? We're not suggesting High Speed Rail through Montana, but for the areas suffering gridlock. Obvious farmers aren't going to be putting their sheep on busses.
4 жыл бұрын
In Europe we have this traffic sign called "No through traffic" - you can enter the area if your destination is in the area, but can't just cross the area. No special laws need to be passed, it is a standard sign that can be used when needed and approved by whatever body approves traffic sign placement. Also, I don't like when cities try to meddle with these things, persuading companies not to route traffic through certain area. The apps should be descriptive, they should strictly reflect reality. If a road is there, it is correct that the app offers it. The city can put up a sign that prohibits entry under certain circumstances - and then the app will correctly reflect the reality and not route drivers through there. But creating custom exceptions never leads to anything good.
@user-nf9xc7ww7m
4 жыл бұрын
What if, when faced with a fine, the driver says, "sure, im visiting this town." Just like the people that illegal turn off on driveways while at a light, despite not shopping there. How do you enforce despite this? A reservation for visiting?
@AdamSmith-gs2dv
4 жыл бұрын
We have that here too but it's hard to enforce
@HSMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
In the United States, regulatory signs are simply ignored. Speed limits, stop signs, even traffic signals are treated as advice, not laws. We have a terrible problem with people who keep driving if their driving license is suspended, revoked, and even if their car is confiscated. One man famously powered an armchair so he could still drive to the liquor store -- and people get arrested for driving drunk on riding lawnmowers and all-terrain quad-cycles. It's like the German who was asked, "How many people drive if their driver's license is suspended?" and he kept repeating, "That is Impossible! You cannot drive a car without a license!" as though the car would refuse to start if the driver's driving license was invalid. The American treats having his driving license revoked as a grievous injustice that even the Founding Fathers would have refused to accept.
@edipires15
4 жыл бұрын
리주민 where I live, when the police encounters someone driving into a no-through traffic road, they ask the driver why he has accessed the road. If the driver doesn’t give a good reason he is fined on the spot. ( it’s kind of the exact method they’re using nowadays for the CV confinement orders)
@HSMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
Incidentally, the USA has many "No Through Traffic" signs as well. However, they are simply ignored, being effectively unenforceable. The only real answer is things like "speed bumps" -- In U.K. lingo, "sleeping policemen" -- but many local residents hate them. I think the problem is that few speed bumps are actually engineered -- they are just mounds of asphalt that are either ineffective, or force cars to slow to walking pace, rather than, e.g., 10 MPH.
@SudaNIm103
4 жыл бұрын
Good video, worthy subject but its thesis is too conclusory and some important subtleties were overlooked. Of course there is a limit of what can be communicated in a sub-10 min presentation, but this video doesn’t even acknowledge alternative factors might contribute to increased traffic or the studied traffic mitigating effects of such apps; Let alone if the simulated effects from the study are applicable to the real world situations discussed. Again, I like the video and I found the general notion compelling, yet still a little off-putting.
@cfhay
4 жыл бұрын
+1. Did the number of cars on these roads change? Do people drive longer distances, than previously did?
@SuperLovehp
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! We bacame more private-car centric and it became a status symbol, it's also about ease of public transport (which is not easy in most places) I doubt the only reason for traffic are these apps
@user46346bdtgry
4 жыл бұрын
americans are also just fundamentally overlooking the problems of being so car dependent. cars are just inefficient. if you had a motorway with only buses you could transport 10-50 times the number of people yet americans blame google maps instead of the lack of public transport
@TheOnlyGHero09
4 жыл бұрын
@@user46346bdtgry there are plenty of people blaming lack of public transportation. It's a problem that's discussed all the time here. Do you realize how annoying and condescending it is when you broad brush Americans and their opinions based off of one single video? I don't mean to sound rude, but the whole "Americans this, Americans that" thing is annoying and almost always unsolicited.
@dbclass4075
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOnlyGHero09 Sometimes, what prompted such response is berating (yes, berating, not criticise) anything outside USA, or public transport. Regrettably, your fellow countrymen fixate on their view, while ignoring other's view. Understandably, public transport quality is vastly different, but many Americans tend to refuse it have a huge potential despite presented a lot of ways that it worked. In summary: a flame war.
@RockiestRock
4 жыл бұрын
So... The biggest issue is that some crazy planner decided to put exits on the left lanes of freeways?
@arshiaseyyedshakeri890
4 жыл бұрын
They have UK roads in US you know..
@KowalskiStyL
4 жыл бұрын
Ya that demo they showed was dumb af. Lol it showed a car trying to exit when an actual driver would see the road is clear.
@stylesrj
4 жыл бұрын
@@KowalskiStyL An actual driver wouldn't see the road is clear because they're too busy looking at their phone to see that rerouting would be a dumb idea...
@belg4mit
4 жыл бұрын
Left exits are rare but do exist, usually after roads get reconfigured in a built-up area. There are two in Boston, one on I-90 east into Allston/Cambridge and another on I-93 north before the tunnel. Being on the left is not the problem... after all, people definitely block multiple lanes of traffic trying to take a right exit ramp.
@chrispychip6569
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah we have plenty of left turning exits in the dc metro area
@alonknaan4536
4 жыл бұрын
2:21 I dislike the simulation because it's obvious you set it up purposefully just for the purpose of proving your point.
@finnrummygaming
4 жыл бұрын
Alon Knaan It appears like that because it assumes that everyone gets rerouted at the same detour. In reality as the congestion increases navigation apps would generate more detours. And depending on whether someone is continuing on the highway or lives near the congested freeway the app would decide whether to route you on or off the freeway.
@alonknaan4536
4 жыл бұрын
@@finnrummygaming yes exactly
@mahnas92
4 жыл бұрын
You do realize the simulation was probably never run, shown or filmed with Cheddar? It was obviously a simple illustration made by Cheddar (or whomever edits their animations)
@NicholasSouris
4 жыл бұрын
When you move to a house that is conveniently located to major roads people are going to find out. With or without apps. The fact that people want convenience, but no hassle is what's wrong with America
@peterliljebladh
4 жыл бұрын
Local knowledge is KING all days of the week being able to adapt to changing traffic at a moments notice.
@ZZMJo
4 жыл бұрын
Agree. Why drive on the highway, as evererybody do, if you know where to drive....
@jesse6327
4 жыл бұрын
I can kind of understand this. I commute 47 miles into Phoenix each day and Google Maps gives me almost always the same route guidance. Despite that, I know that another route which is slightly longer is going to save me time. Interestingly, when I bypass its original recommendation and take my selected route, it 'changes its mind' and agrees that my way is the faster option. Additionally, there are some roads and routes that it will never recommend, but which I know will result in getting home quicker. The other reason is (at least here in SW Arizona) there are a lot more cars and drivers than there were 6 or 7 years ago when I moved here and started commuting.
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
Phoenix is laid out so well you really shouldn’t need any app whatsoever for navigation. I just watch the road and listen to traffic updates from Detour Dan on KTAR.
@bluegoka
4 жыл бұрын
In 2020 traffic improved greatly worldwide.
@okikeure7422
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no traffic at all
@user-eu5jc6qj4r
4 жыл бұрын
To be fair: Also the number of cars on the roads increased, inducing more traffic.
@TheKisshu1997
4 жыл бұрын
One thing I have also experienced with Maps is that it often takes the most complicated routes because they're a few minutes faster than the straight routes... I've started to make my own routes in Maps by saying I want to drive through specific places..
@yutakago1736
3 жыл бұрын
In Russia, a man use the app and end up freezing to death at a remote area. In Australia, a tourist use the app and tried to drive to an island and was stranded at sea.
@jTempVids
4 жыл бұрын
There is a road in my area that goes from one side of a large hill to the other. All of the GPS apps use it. I can't tell you how many semi-trucks have gotten stuck trying to go over it. When asked by the cops why would the truck drivers even attempt a road like this, they always say that they have to follow their GPS/Navigation. The cops started issuing tickets. They put up large signs banning semi-trucks on this road and limited the weight of vehicles on the road. Still to this day semi-trucks get stuck on this road because of the navigation apps telling them to take it.
@AdamSmith-gs2dv
4 жыл бұрын
Ugh this is such an issue, in my town we have a set of low railroad bridges with only 10ft of clearance for the road. I can't tell you how many times I have seen trucks go down this road and either get stuck or ram into the bridge because they think their truck can make it under.... Truckers give the same reason Everytime: my GPS told me this way was fastest I didn't know about the bridge! (Even though there are multiple signs warning about the 10ft bridge...)
@User31129
4 жыл бұрын
I've heard it said that many trucking companies dont allow drivers to think independently about routing. There better be a police officer directing you another way to not do what the navigation says.
@dbclass4075
4 жыл бұрын
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Is that bridge so happen to be the infamous "can opener"?
@venomtailOG
3 жыл бұрын
Residents: Fool drivers, always getting stuck in traffic jams. Should take the smaller local roads to get there faster. The average driver: ok... Residents: Wait no! Not MY local roads!
@phantomaviator1318
4 жыл бұрын
When i was younger i downloaded waze and tapped all the roads and kept reporting accidents and congestion and police stuff that wasn't even there. I wonder how much chaos I caused by randomly tapping.
@a.m.653
4 жыл бұрын
probably not much if you were the only one to report on specific streets or freeways.
@taikajorma7276
4 жыл бұрын
Phantom Aviator Pretty much none
@phantomaviator1318
4 жыл бұрын
@@taikajorma7276 aw :( At least I can't get in trouble for it xd :)
@IvorMektin1701
4 жыл бұрын
My street became a "shortcut" and our neighborhood association spammed wrecks and police activity. It was the only way to be able to pull out the driveway.
@ThrottleKitty
4 жыл бұрын
@@IvorMektin1701 Yeah, if one person does it, it will ignore it, but it will listen if a group of people do it. The amount of havok in can cause when a road full of houses is suddenly a traffic hotspot is really shit. It should give users an option to report excessive traffic on streets not meant for tru traffic.
@bigboy-cz3nv
4 жыл бұрын
the guy that reported traffic jams on his street so no one would go on it is a genius
@Jhilke007
4 жыл бұрын
I don't trust it anymore when Google map asks me to exit the highway for "quicker route".
@iEmoz98
4 жыл бұрын
Waze rerouted me once to a small city street because it saves 7 mins than in the highway. However, the small city street was STANDSTILL when I arrived and it ended up taking me 40mins more to get out of the small city. Never did I reroute off the highway ever again.
@BitcoinMotorist
4 жыл бұрын
Regularly asks me to exit just to get back on immediately. If it asks me to exit I double check the route before exiting
@jaysmith1408
4 жыл бұрын
I was running on I-80 in central PA, gps says exit freeway (that at the time was vacant). Takes me town state roads left and right, catch glimpse of highway, standstill for miles. He he he he he he.
@PrimiusLovin
4 жыл бұрын
I only use that option as a last resort when the traffic isn't budging for 20-30 minutes, I don't like taking routes that haven't had the chance to review beforehand, especially from main roads to secondary ones... because who knows where the hell it's going to send me through!
@UrvineSpiegel
4 жыл бұрын
I work Service as an electrician, so my days take me to different locations every day. I absolutely hate when my GPS directs me to cut through neighborhoods. I wish there were an option to disable routes through neighborhoods that weren't the destination. Even if that means it takes notably longer. I remember when I was a kid, I could skateboard and play basketball in the street in front of my house. These days that seems out right impossible.
@fortunatejeremy
4 жыл бұрын
In Canada, a family with small children almost died because they followed a navigation app off the highway and into the middle of a forest in the winter, getting stuck in a frozen creek. Luckily a hunter saw their tire tracks and followed them on a snowmobile and found them.
@tahabalakc7744
4 жыл бұрын
app rerouting teenage drivers to a simple ramp. teenage drivers: I'm gonna crash now
@MrAdditionelle
4 жыл бұрын
I have found time and time again that when the app is putting you off an exit you need to see how much time you are saving. If it's a complete stoppage or will save you 30+ minutes, it's something to consider. But usually it is just a matter of getting off and onto a road with poorly timed lights (like 99% of US roads) with the other million people who also are being prompted to get off and then you are in a worse jam. I do wish they would say "accident in left lane" or something to give you an idea of what is going on would be better.
@philliptoone
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I had always assumed that these apps were "smart" enough to limit the alternatives based on real time data.
@adiabd1
4 жыл бұрын
Those apps don't recognize the situation of the road, that's very true I asked my dad to reroute while driving in long 30km highway traffic, but the reroute took us more time than if we stayed in the highway, like 1-hour delay
@selfreference2
4 жыл бұрын
These apps don't know which roads have which hazards. This problem is three-fold: 1. Roads with low throughput should be marked as such. For example, a road with only enough room for one lane of cars. Or a dirt road. Or even residential streets not built for heavy traffic. This data could be provided by state and federal governments, or even by users. 2. Man-made events such as construction. This data would need to be provided by city governments, as users probably won't report fast enough. 3. Weather events such as ice or acts of God such as treefalls. These can be reported by users. Honestly, both government organizations and Google need to step up to the plate here. We could at the very least handle problem #1, knowing which roads are dirt roads or are very narrow/steep.
@doujinflip
4 жыл бұрын
That requires adding more tags to the roads mapped, and companies have difficulties just mapping all the paths and POIs in general
@notmychairnotmyproblem
3 жыл бұрын
This is why I'm so glad my mom taught me to pay attention to my surroundings as you drive around town. That way you can navigate on your own without relying on a app that will almost always lead you directly into traffic.
@robthomas5827
3 жыл бұрын
It's so dope to live in a country where cars are almost always the only feasible option for transit. I can't imagine how terrible it would be to live in a place with an interconnected network of heavy rail, light rail, busses, bikeways, and pedestrian routes. So much better to just do all-cars-all-the-time.
@DayaChowdry
4 жыл бұрын
Well...are you ready.... Here you go: switch off dynamic routing in ya app bruh.
@yeaolon
4 жыл бұрын
Ngl you actually make very interesting videos to not only watch but to see the thumbnail on the recommended feed.
@mojave7604
3 жыл бұрын
This is why I usually ignore these reroutes... If it's less than 15 min then I usually just stay on the main road. I can't even begin to count how many times these "better routes" direct me to a minor to major intersection and want me to cross a 4 - 6 lane road to stay on the side street.
@davidbeppler3032
4 жыл бұрын
Reliance on navigation software has my friend unable to drive his son to wrestling 10 miles away without his phone. He has made the trip a dozen times. Lmao
@MariahIsSkinnyFuckBlueLives
4 жыл бұрын
Same, I started driving after the advent of the navigation apps, there are a lot of local destinations I won't drive to without using google maps or waze
@lonestarr1490
4 жыл бұрын
@@MariahIsSkinnyFuckBlueLives Just try it. It's actually not that hard. I bet you don't lack in memory, but in confidence.
@DeRien8
4 жыл бұрын
I like to make it a point to train myself on a route. Once I've been guided there a few times I use nav less until I only put it up to estimate drive time.
@doujinflip
4 жыл бұрын
I look at the total route and make a general mental map before heading out. I noticed I make more navigational errors when blindly following the computer, since not all paths are laid out cleanly if they're even mapped at all.
@gregaaron89
4 жыл бұрын
I’m like this, but it’s not that I actually need it, I just have anxiety and it makes me feel better
@MurasakiBunny
4 жыл бұрын
My home street used to be so quiet, you could play street hokey on it. Despite any new developments or changes, GPS navigation now has our residential street nearly a freeway despite it not being an effective or time saving route from the malls miles away and the city center that travels to them, avoiding actually arteries that connect both, have less traffic stops, and higher speed limits. People literally follows GPS Navs blindly.
@Gilotopia
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the apps are just highlighting problems that the city keeps ignoring. They would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for these pesky kids and their apps!
@lambda6564
4 жыл бұрын
You know.... The real "problem" is US suburbanism that creates long commute ways. Then add a lack of public transport and walkability and you have your traffic. It also doesnt help that people driv huge cars on these streets rather than compact cars or motorcycles.
@Queen_Popsicle
4 жыл бұрын
That simulation was horrible. It’s not an apps fault that someone blocks an entire freeway while trying to reverse and get to an off ramp.
@Xeonerable
4 жыл бұрын
Especially when the traffic ahead clears..! lol
@stylesrj
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like something drivers would do. "I know the road is clear but my navigation app says I should take this path!"
@ken5jk
4 жыл бұрын
I think all the examples given here are specific, one-offs. Not really a "big part" of what is causing traffic. Also, yes, it crowds the smaller streets. But doesn't mention na benefit to the main road. In a way, it suddenly inconvenienced a small group who hadn't have issues before for the benefit of a bigger group. Bottomline, it's just more cars and more people that are causing traffic
@Liggliluff
4 жыл бұрын
(4:30) You can put much more data into each road in a database. You can put any data you want. I don't think she knows how computers work.
@Buklen
4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe map quest was their comparison, what about an actual map, or street directory. "Do you remember looking up an address in the street directory, then flipping to page 271, then to page 66, then to page 16 to find out how to get there?"
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
The kids who made this video have never seen paper maps.
@simonkraemer3725
4 жыл бұрын
I think the root cause is that the modal split in the US is that 88% of trips are done by car, compared to 5% with public transport. And biking is almost completely disappeared from the modal split, which could easily replace in some part the car use. So it's really the problem of people driving and of the bad infrastructure making it in US cities very hard to get from A to B without a car.
@mattr8750
4 жыл бұрын
meh, rat racing has always been a problem, and cities have fought it long before apps. Obviously apps should be designed such that areas can submit their own mapping data that would include 'neighbourhood' info that stopped routing through neighbourhoods etc. The idea of selecting alternate routes based on group data rather than on an individual basis (only send 30% of users this way) is a good one, and really doesn't require sharing between platforms. each platform can just do it for their users.
@engparinya
4 жыл бұрын
This is so true! Google Maps sent redirected us to local, hilly, dark, not-well maintains road. We almost fall to the cliff because of it. Instead going through 10 minutes traffic, we spent 25 navigating through all those obstacles! I always say no to reroute. Wish they have the option to not accept any route changes!
@StephenHay
4 жыл бұрын
Here's a crazy idea: the cars cause the traffic
@DoomFinger511
4 жыл бұрын
They left out that google uses the data of every phone in a car to gauge how fast they are moving and figure out if there is traffic. Even if that phone isn't using Google maps. Google also owns Waze, so whatever one does, the other will do too. They could simply delegate how many cars they direct down one route then give the next batch an alternate route to alleviate traffic.
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to just have the map view out with the aggregate traffic overlay and make my own navigation decisions.
@DoomFinger511
3 жыл бұрын
@@danieldaniels7571 That's smart when driving in familiar areas. But when I'm going somewhere new, I've often been routed down annoying side roads with tons of stop signs just to save me 1 extra minute instead of staying on the highway.
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
@@DoomFinger511 that’s how I drive everywhere, especially in unfamiliar areas. I can look at the map and it’s usually pretty obvious which are the major thoroughfares. I worked a driving job for a week in San Diego summer of 2019. I had not been there in 18 years and was completely unfamiliar with the area, and that worked for me just fine. Whenever I had to go to an unfamiliar address, I punched in the address to see where it was, I then zoomed out the map until it included where I was, using it not unlike someone would use a paper map, making my own route and navigation decisions based on the layout of the streets and avoiding red in the traffic overlay. If you have a map, there’s absolutely no need for an algorithm to tell you how to get anywhere.
@blacksaturn1
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting piece. I am not a traffic engineer but I am a graphic designer. I know many people see graphic design as this fun exciting artform but I deal with the dry side of graphic design, conveying information/messages. I tend to hate clutter and messiness. I noticed in the video a lot of signage (graphic design) but I feel all that signage is ineffective. As a designer, if I was tasked with solving a traffic problem (and yes graphic designers work on such projects) my solution wouldn't be to carpet bomb the area with more signs but design deterrents e.g. traffic circles/roundabouts, speed bumps, and zigzagging the street (it requires minimal to little if any extra space). Utilizing such physical communication tools lets drivers know that this street is not a throughway nor a shortcut for people outside of this neighborhood and doesn't require additional monitoring from traffic cops. This is what I do as a graphic designer, communication.
@george_cantstandya
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how the apps are creating more traffic. If there’s no app you take the primary route. That’s the default scenario. Enter the app, the app offers alternative routes which does increase traffic on those routes. They did give the unusual scenario of drivers seeking an alternate due to an accident creating more congestion at that junction. But that’s an outlier. They did contrast between an app that gave all routes and the new apps which just give one or two. However that’s not a comparison between traffic without apps and with apps it’s a comparison between apps. Furthermore the app that gave all routes presumably was offering the alternate streets they’re saying are a problem. So again, I don’t see how apps are creating more traffic. Unless it’s just the sum of time spent on crappy alternate routes.
@scottabc72
4 жыл бұрын
They can create heavy traffic on smaller routes that arent designed for heavy traffic while only marginally reducing the heavy traffic on the nearby routes that are designed for heavy traffic.
@sheem.2450
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't watch the video yet - but my guess, looking at the title... Yeah! It does!! I always thought of this... If everyone is using the same app for navigation, of course everyone is taking the same way home.... So yikes! Traffic!!! 😱😱😱 Okay, now I am watching the video! Lol
@MoHimdi
4 жыл бұрын
Same! I looked at the title, clicked the video and immediately went to the comments
@UmmYeahOk
4 жыл бұрын
Almost all the highways where I live have access roads running parallel. I’ve noticed that some of those highways, which are new toll roads, will have the traffic lights at certain access road intersections that are shorter, favoring the cross streets, giving them a longer light. This means that even though the road is not congested, you could be at that intersection for up to 5 light cycles. The amount of time wasted during each light cycle is enough to cause navigational systems to reroute you passed those intersections. My theory is that these intersections are trying to promote the use of the new toll roads by punishing drivers who choose to avoid them using the free roads that have existed decades before. But as a result, drivers are now causing gridlock attempting to bypass the ridiculous lights. There is no reason such detours should ever be considered faster. Newer communities: fix the lights before fixing the apps.
@dbclass4075
4 жыл бұрын
Those lights are likely ramp meters: they are designed to limit the amount of cars on the motorway to reduce congestions, by controlling the rate of entry. Though the streets are congested, the motorway itself is at peak flow and max capacity.
@victoriaflanders8739
4 жыл бұрын
Me normally: meh Me at 3 am: I must consume the entirety of human knowledge
@donaloflynn
4 жыл бұрын
4:37am checking in!
@unionmaster
4 жыл бұрын
honestly, I think the problem is the exact opposite. I feel like the problem with navigation app says they bottleneck everybody to the same few paths. I never have issues on side streets, but it's always wanting to put me on a busy highway
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t use navigation apps, but I often experience that when I take Lyft, as it seems all their drivers rely on smartphone navigation. I often have to tell my drivers to ignore the voice trying to navigate them into traffic congestion and just go straight down my street.
@BrendanPJames
4 жыл бұрын
I used to drive through that town in NJ going into NYC. My commute got way worse when ythey closed it
@MarkFilipAnthony
4 жыл бұрын
"do you remember mapquest, and what a pain it was to print out step-by step instructions.." no? I remember having a full road map in the car and sitting next to the driver and guide him/her while *he was driving, what futuristic world are you talking about?
@tobimacarock
4 жыл бұрын
2:01 funny they used a shot of Mexico city here
@____-pb1lg
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, we don't think much about things like that in every day life even tho they are so impactful
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
I think about it all the time, but I’m weird like that.
@chloejohnson6861
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of our problems could be solved just by sharing our cars more. Sure, I love driving alone, mainly because I can listen to my own music. But hitting it off with a cool neighbor or ride share driver is also great. I've gotten out of other people's cars with so many ideas for businesses, books, movies, etc., I just wish I had written them down. Also, expanding public transportation and hiring drivers who don't hate people would be great, but they're not going to do that.
@TheFourthWinchester
4 жыл бұрын
This is an issue of too many vehicles and no public transport.
@user-zd9fc4vs4q
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you ever subject yourself to shitty public transportation when you could just drive your own car or motorcycle? Public transportation is ass
@DouglasBurton
4 жыл бұрын
TLDR; Apps only have a few minutes to help relieve traffic issues meanwhile cities have years to respond to traffic issues; we really can't blame apps for most of these problems. Computers can't fix all of our bad decisions. Yeah I don't think this is an issue to be blamed on apps. Drivers not being knowledgeable about the roads they're using, traffic increases across the country & maybe a lack of road improvements. The apps are already taking into account time of day, speed & number of drivers on a road, expected traffic trends & patterns, road closures, accidents, emergency vehicles, road conditions, weather and that's just off the top of my head. This feels like you're asking apps to fix a problem that they are already trying to handle, instead of fixing many more underlying problems that only arise when an unexpected event suddenly happens like a traffic accident. A sudden event that is only affecting maybe 0.001% of drivers for about 0.1% of their commute...all with only a few minutes to react. Makes more sense for cities to highlight the problems and create permanent solutions instead of apps creating special case scenarios all over the country.
@jesperhustad
3 жыл бұрын
3:19 if people are rerouting into the city every day and they began passing laws for it that means it's not the fault of the GPS, that way was just faster. I don't know why it needs to be a fight of small town vs google maps, if these small towns don't want pass trough traffic then just put up a sign for that. People have always been rerouting trough small towns to save a few minutes, the GPS just exacerbated the problem.
@ackables
4 жыл бұрын
I like what the guy from northwestern said. Why can’t google maps take into account the capacities of roads and route users on roads with excess capacity? Dispersing traffic across many roads should make traffic better even for people not using GPS.
@tkralva.6668
4 жыл бұрын
The main problem is that when they say new route to save time, you have to decline new route, which can be difficult when deriving. This leads to following revised route and actually taking longer, or getting lost, as most people before leaving will take a look at route. Basically, only change routers if it suggests over 30 minute timetable saving, but it forces you for a minor 2 or 3 minute saving, unless you decline.
@YashAtishay
4 жыл бұрын
Build a good public transport system USA stop driving cars everywhere
@marquisdelafayette1929
4 жыл бұрын
I was actually thinking about that the other day. Like what DID we do before GPS? If it was something we looked up ahead of time on mapquest and it said “road closed” or something you were screwed. However, the majority of it was memorized by us. I have always been good at directions and after going somewhere once can usually remember the route. My bf my senior year of high school was a senior in college and got me a job at the pizza place he delivered for (apparently still does even though he’s a lawyer) . This was like 2006 with Nokia brick phones and sidekicks. But he knew where to go.. no GPS. My dad delivered papers for extra money when I was younger and he *always* takes the back roads. Does anyone else have parents like that, who refuses to GPS things?
@vasilikosolov
4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip use apps just as an emergency if you suddenly went to an area you are not familiar and didnt plan to go Always study the maps and areas where you are going In my exp navigation apps only lead me to long way arounds and sometimes dead ends
@DavidGonzalez-zg5ux
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the side streets of the Staten island expressway
@SlaughterDog
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve always been conscious of these alternate routes. Unless you’re the first to be re-routed, it never seemed like you’d get there any faster. I guess nobody does.
@AllyMcLesbian
4 жыл бұрын
Waze has always made me lose more time, and even suggested that I make dangerous left turns onto a busy street in rush hour traffic. Not to mention being a total data hog. Driving has been far less stressful since I uninstalled Waze. I'll check Google Maps before driving, but once I'm driving, I'll use a dedicated Garmin (with traffic data) or my common sense.
@HSMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
I'm as pro-transit as anyone, and i live in Oceanside, CA not Brooklyn, NY. However, it is important to remember that traffic congestion existed before there were cars. In many ways, congestion was worse because there were no lane markings or traffic signals or crosswalks. Old films show that streetcars were as hard to run as today because pedestrians would cross the street anywhere and anytime they wanted. Plus there were slow horse drawn wagons, faster horse drawn carriages (cabs), and bicycles all mixed with pedestrians and streetcars.
@HSMiyamoto
4 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The Brooklyn "Dodgers" baseball team were named after the quick footed "trolley-dodgers" who walked in front of streetcars. They have had the same name for over 100 years.
@LudicrousxArts
4 жыл бұрын
I've said this for a while, the problem isn't the navigation apps. The problem is that in the United States most of the interstates were originally designed in the 60s with some upgrades here or there. While those upgrades have improved traffic some they don't improve it enough to keep up with how much of the population is now driving. Back then it was about one vehicle per house hold. Today it's two. And if you have a teenage driver some families have more than two. Plus if you take on the fact that these areas are more populated then difference is even more. The problem now isn't how to stop people from using GPS systems. It's how to effectively move the traffic in a flowing manner. Even without the GPS you'd still have the same amount of traffic.
@CJonesApple
4 жыл бұрын
Google should add topography and street quality when driving for StreetView.
@macroxela
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of this could be fixed with better public transportation
@chrislanejones
4 жыл бұрын
If I lived on one of those crazy residential streets I would mark my street as road closed.
@nancyfahey7518
2 жыл бұрын
Back when I was a New York commuter I would leave an hour early and have a bagel and coffee before work. Wow, I miss NY Bagels. When I worked in the city I took an earlier train. Gotta love those knishes. When I couldn't take it any more I moved. Simple.
@Warrenmitchum
4 жыл бұрын
There’s so many people that they need more streets. This problem has been around for decades though.
@Melissa0774
4 жыл бұрын
This kind of thing is exactly why I never just blindly rely on whatever some app tells me. The app might tell you to turn onto a road that doesn't exist anymore, or that is blocked or requires you to make a difficult left turn, or something that you don't want to do. I don't trust it. When I need to go somewhere unfamiliar, I always study the map on Google and actually look at the route on street view if there's anything that's confusing or doesn't look right. I prefer to write my own directions and include easier to spot, landmarks that an app wouldn't tell you. For example, to get ready to turn right when you see the big blue house with a van parked in front. I think a lot of these apps aren't the greatest, but I have to say Google Streetview is one of the best things ever invented.
@o0Avalon0o
4 жыл бұрын
My friend had a GPS enabled nokia phone. This was before we started printing map directions. It was free with her original phone, so when all the newer phones started charging data for GPS mapping, we were pretty pissed.
@dbclass4075
4 жыл бұрын
Well, Google Maps and Apple Maps are now included in phones. Although the advertisement can be annoying.
@ThrottleKitty
4 жыл бұрын
Here in Washington State, roads are very deliberately designed to slow you down over and over and over if they are not meant for thru traffic! We use lots of one way streets, dead ends, etc, combined with roads that are made for thru traffic using roundabouts to connect to lesser roads, and the lesser roads using stop signs to further slow them down. if you aren't paying attention, it's confusing and weird, but it's actually very clever.
@haterde2505
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest contributer to traffic is cars
@aaronlowe3156
4 жыл бұрын
Cheddar, I appreciate your journalism, but why didn't you allow us to hear from the people that design the algorithms and see how that matches up, fits or conflicts with the DOT? You could have had some useful insight there.
@elysium76
4 жыл бұрын
I use the navigation apps and it pisses me off when it tells me to cut through the neighborhoods
@thomas316
4 жыл бұрын
Infrastructure problem not an app problem. If we built new roads at the rate of vehicle growth this wouldn't be an issue. 🤷🏻♂️
@brianloper6669
4 жыл бұрын
Mass transit or learn your routes. Taxis here are faster than Uber drivers because they know the roads and which ones to take to get somewhere faster. Example: I've literally had an uber miss a turn and actually turn around (took forever) when just continuing straight would have gotten us to the destination just as fast.
@lilacdoe7945
3 жыл бұрын
Do you remember before Mapquest when you had to read a map?
@danieldaniels7571
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. And I memorized most of them decades ago. Now I just drive from memory and reading the signs on the road.
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