Thanks to Holly and Doug for exposing the NAR. Our former pastor was looking for something to enliven the church, a new couple joined our church (they were NAR) and our pastor was introduced to an "apostle" (who, we discovered later, had been kicked out of a church in a nearby city). Our pastor got carried away by C. Peter Wagner's teachings. At about the same time, I went to a "community transformation" meeting where local business leaders were introduced to the "7 Mountain Mandate." Our pastor's sermons went from being Biblically solid to this new whatever-it-was, and we were told to follow in lock-step with whatever the "apostle" instructed. Our pastor flew to Texas and visited an NAR church 3 times; he began to copy whatever programs and structure they had. At the time, I knew NOTHING about NAR, just knew something had gone badly wrong in our church. Someone gave me a copy of Holly and Doug's first book, and on a long flight I read it cover to cover, in absolute shock that I was so naive about this NAR movement. I want to personally thank Holly and Dave for all their time, work, and faithfulness to expose the NAR; I can truly say the information they provide in the books got me out of the idiocy before I was completely smothered by it. I prayed that God would give my husband and me guidance and understanding and courage to leave the church, if necessary; we had been there 19 years, had been close to the pastor and his wife; we had many friends there and were deeply involved in the ministries of that church. I was dismayed and in disbelief that our pastor and elders were leading us into NAR. During prayer one Sunday morning, a close friend of the pastor and his wife stood and prayed that we would "take over the seven mountains." And that was the moment we "snapped to reality." We tried to talk to the pastor and our church leadership and were shocked to find them slamming the door in our face and our being lectured to from the pulpit one Sunday morning -- which was our last Sunday there -- because we would not follow the leadership of the "apostle" and his "prophet," so our pastor said he had to "break the legs of the sheep" -- and he was talking directly to us. Five adults left the church that day because by then we were all aware of what was going on THANKS TO YOUR RESEARCH AND YOUR BOOK. We are all in doctrinally-sound churches now.
@susannahfox7188
2 ай бұрын
And, it seems to me, that these "left turns," are being engineered by the Pope and his minions. Like Calvary Chapel, as one example.
@matthewmoore8861
2 ай бұрын
I have to be honest, I’m a pastor in Los Angeles, I would love to be able to warn people about the NAR. But one criticism of your show, books, the debate with Brown, etc. I find it very difficult to find this group!
@brianpace3837
2 ай бұрын
This group is more of a movement than an established group of people. However, they do seem to know each other well.
@brianpace3837
2 ай бұрын
In my research, the WOF movement is evolving into the NAR. In 20 years, I believe the WOF may be gone. Does that seem likely to you as well?
@lesliegoode8962
2 ай бұрын
It’s evolving
@matthewmoore8861
2 ай бұрын
Could you please define the NAR?
@brianpace3837
2 ай бұрын
@@matthewmoore8861 NAR- New Apostolic Reformation. Listening to these people on this KZitem channel will help you see what they believe.
@lesliegoode8962
2 ай бұрын
@@matthewmoore8861 New Apostolic Reformation- ANYTHING that positively affirms the position that we need modern day Apostles & Prophets OUTSIDE of the ones in Scripture. The word games are getting ridiculous. WHERE ARE THE MEN who will stand firm?
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