Opinion: They should have threw out the canto bight storyline and instead have Poe, Finn, and Rose go on a manhunt for the spy aboard the ship. A First Order spy would make the hyperspace-tracking idea more credible and give us a reason for how the First Order found the Resistance base in the first place (the movie doesn't tell us how that actually happened).
@TechGroupF430i
6 жыл бұрын
That's just it... without that line of dialogue (and Holdo being the only new face on the ship), there'd be no reason to assume that the cause of the problem was on the ship. Don't get me wrong, I agree that anything ([*ANYTHING*]) would've been better than that Canto Bight subplot, but SJWs needed something to bring social justice to I guess.
@obiwankenobi687
6 жыл бұрын
Peake Performane The first order found the resistance base in the Force Awakens. It’s literally the main plot point of the third part film that the resistance need to take down Star Killer before it can fire on the resistance base
@RangerAndHaxor
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed, not only does it make the whole of the plot make more sense, but it avoids all of their massive plot holes created by Canto Bight. Plot holes like: how is there an entire prominent first order planet IN the republic? How does the first order have the income to afford paying exorbitant amounts of credits to buy starships? Why do they stop searching for the guy they initially went there to find? Why do they trust the smuggler who has already said he’ll work for whoever pays him the most, after immediately just establishing that the first order is very well funded and they are broke?
@1000aaronaaronaaron
5 жыл бұрын
@@TechGroupF430i LMAO you people just constantly whine about SJWS for no reason it's sad at this point.
@1000aaronaaronaaron
5 жыл бұрын
@@RangerAndHaxor a lot of that shit is just nitpicks that won't really matter if you're just enjoy the film. They're just small things that you'll only care about if you're already looking for things to complain about. Like how do these people get money?? Who cares they probably kill for money why should that be explained? You know? And as far as I've heard the smuggler is supposed to seem like a smooth Han type of character that just gets you to trust him.
@LonSeidman
6 жыл бұрын
Good analysis. The only flaw in this argument is that Finn was still out for himself (and not the Resistance) until his experience with Rose and Canto Bight. He wouldn't have gone on that mission to prove his loyalty as really only cared for saving Rey. I didn't pick up on this fully until the second viewing - and this is perhaps the problem with how Finn's character is portrayed. He's so likable it's hard to see see his motivations as selfish. But until Canto Bight "the cause" was not his main motivating factor as a character. It was all about getting off the ship so Rey wouldn't end up in a trap.
@calroy8359
6 жыл бұрын
Holdo when saying goodbye to Leia, insert the line "Heil Hydra"
@Ren-hw8ue
6 жыл бұрын
Cal Roy 😂😂😂😂
@kylescoolclips
6 жыл бұрын
You even said it in german! Nice!
@cantthinkofagoodname7923
6 жыл бұрын
😂
@splashnskillz37
6 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@DiBaozi
6 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@OfficialRedTeamReview
5 жыл бұрын
Having a spy on board makes so much more sense and all the more interesting. But you'd have to introduce a character to make it so and the moment you do then everyone knows THAT'S the spy so it's tricky. Kaydel Ko Connix should've been the spy and it'd make a lot of sense
@SineN0mine3
3 жыл бұрын
I think it adds to the tension and mystery of the scenes around it if we never find out who the spy was. If they're discovered then you have to work that back into all the character's motivations which is totally unnecessary for their arcs. It's very plausible that their would spies among the rebels who were never discovered during the galactic civil war, who quietly disappeared afterwards. Or we could have a spin off comic or episode of one of the tv shows that references the plot thread and says the rebels eventually caught them in some interesting way. I don't think it's necessary to identify them within this movie for the device to work as needed, it's not like one spy going undiscovered would be enough to undo the whole rebellion, especially when we're told that the rebels are aware of the spy and being cautious.
@andrewszigeti2174
3 жыл бұрын
I think having HOLDO be the spy would have been brilliant. Then her plan would have been to get the Resistance out in the open where they could be captured bloodlessly. Then when Hux tells her 'You're far too trusting, my dear" and opens fire, she gets a good redemption arc with her kamikaze run. At least then we'd have gotten some good out of the Holdo Maneuver, even as it invalidated three previous movies.
@paulygon4545
3 жыл бұрын
Not only does it not need a new character, It almost works as it stands if you take EC Henry's theory into account when watching it. Like he said, if they had just added one line to explain her motivation! I think it's plausible that Holdo is suspicious that Poe, a confirmed hotshot who just got a bunch of people killed AND was just demoted, is the traitor that is leading the New Order to them. It explains why she didn't share any plans and seemed like she was being a poor leader. If she didn't trust him, she actually played it about as well as she could. EC Henry completely changed my perception of this character. Poe and his mutineers never told Holdo that they were being tracked by new technology, not by a traitor among them. When he finally came clean, she made the command decision that it was too late anyway. It was a judgment call at that point.
@HALOX30
3 жыл бұрын
The audience can try to find out who the spy is with the characters. You don't need to spoon feed every answer beforehand as long as it is well written and directed but ryan johnson is a shitty director and the movie has many more faults and problems
@adamjd7645
3 жыл бұрын
The twist could be that there IS no spy, but that's a risk they can't take. It then all becomes about the paranoia & fear... turning the crew of the Raddus into a First Order in miniature; how things can twist & turn for some good reasons (ironically, also giving Ben's move to the dark a bit more nuance too).
@42billybob
6 жыл бұрын
The entire movie felt like there was a spy plot left on the cutting room floor. (And a time skip)
@GameHammerCG
6 жыл бұрын
Oh thank goodness, I’m not the only one who wanted a “spy” subplot.
@stephentoth6003
6 жыл бұрын
Yup. My friend turned to me (my 2nd viewing) and goes "wait so haldo isnt a spy?! " i was like "exactly!!!"
@johnend9415
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean do we know that Poe told Holdo about the hyper space tracking?
@TGHibiki
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed I was wondering if that was he reason but it never came to light.
@alfatazer_8991
6 жыл бұрын
Spy or not she should have told Poe. Poe was the most trustworthy, he led the squadron that blew up Starkiller Base also the one who pressed on despite Leia's orders to disengage from The Dreadnought. Had he not done this The Dreadnought would have wiped out the Resistance fleet when The First Order tracked them through Hyperspace. Poe would have reassured the entire crew and they would have complied and stood down since they trust Poe more than they trust Holdo. Finn and Rose wouldn't need to go have that dreadful Casino subplot and DJ wouldn't betray them to the First Order. Countless Resistance lives could have been saved if Purple Hair JUST TOLD POE!
@kylescoolclips
6 жыл бұрын
The idea of a resistance general not trusting Poe and suspecting him to be a spy is actually an interesting, original idea in my opinion. The producers could've made it so that Holdo has some evidence that the first order indeed has spies, and they could probably even reference the famous line "many bothans dies to bring us this information" (bothan spies) from episode 6.
@thomasjeppesen3055
6 жыл бұрын
This is actually really great. It's interesting how a few twists can make this movie so much better and solve several plot holes.
@Irobert1115HD
6 жыл бұрын
thats more or less the reason for the succes of the orignal three films: hamill, fisher and ford did constantly tweek lines for instance: leia: i love you han solo. hans reaktion: i know but in the script: i love you too leia.
@KuraIthys
6 жыл бұрын
That's no a huge surprise. According to the earliest test screenings, the very first star wars film was horribly bad and unwatchable. While it wasn't such a minor tweak as a single line, it was saved mostly by carefully re-editing the film. The key point of this change though is that no new footage was used. Just what they already had was presented slightly differently. Subtleties do matter, it turns out.
@scienceme9794
6 жыл бұрын
The really truly tragic thing about The Last Jedi is that it had so many opportunities to be good. The idea that there is a spy on-board (or that they even suspect there is a spy) vastly improves the film.
@toastedzen
6 жыл бұрын
thomas jeppesen if you feel this way then I urge you to go and watch Nando v Movie’s video on The Last Jedi. You will be impressed.
@mrcoolyandoporlavida
6 жыл бұрын
With this idea in mind, I imagine a scene where Holdo scolds Poe, and he replies with something like "you don't know what I give to the resistance, every time I put my ass in the front line! every time knowing that I could not come back! what have you ever risked from the safety of the command centre?" and that would have made her final sacrifice so much meaningful.
@ilikepigeons6101
2 жыл бұрын
ah well said
@Matt-rm5ir
6 жыл бұрын
The spy storyline would have been more interesting than what we got. The casino scene was absolutely boring. Finn and Rose's storyline was just dull overall. Rey and Kylo's story was the main frame and the most interesting so no need to worry really about that one. But yeah I agree this storyline would have been more compelling
@Harab_Serapel
6 жыл бұрын
Darth Revan It wasn't just dull and pointless, it also completely killed any tension in that part of the plot. Nothing screams desperate emergency like two strangers fucking off to space planet to play around freeing some sad animals.
@pp_Neon
6 жыл бұрын
Matt D WHY DO I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE
@JonSmith-hk1bq
6 жыл бұрын
Darth Revan: Finn's character has never had potential. As long as you have the child soldier as the wacky comic relief, you've made a big mistake. Both movies would have been much better off if Finn had died crashing on Jakku and Poe had found Rey instead.
@guywholikesgoodmusic
6 жыл бұрын
+Jon Smith He isn't a child, though. He's young, sure. But there are soldiers in real life who are younger than he is.
@JonSmith-hk1bq
6 жыл бұрын
Guywholikes goodmusic: Yes, but none of our military were taken from their families and and forced to fight in an army where you're subject to reconditioning when you hesitate to murder a village. There's nothing about Finn's personality that fits that backstory. It's completely incomprehensible. If they had any brains whatsoever, they would made Finn a much darker character if they cared to keep him at all. Someone whose humanity was broken down to be used in a military machine and who is trying to find some meaning. Someone who understands fighting, but doesn't understand everything else. Heck, even Rose's actions would have made more sense if he could only see his life through the lens of its strategic importance within a battle. Instead we got the goofball that whose crisis was started by the death of a stormtrooper. A death that shook him so hard that he went out and started gleefully slaughtering them by the dozen later that day. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Finn is probably the worst Star Wars character of all.
@An123Observer
6 жыл бұрын
Omg... It does make perfect sense.... And the spy is Rose, that is why she stopped Fin and sabotaged their mission. Brilliant.
@puscifer99
6 жыл бұрын
An123Observer and the best part being that Rose could be killed horribly as a spy in episode 9.
@linusji1732
6 жыл бұрын
that would be great cuz I really hate that character
@guywholikesgoodmusic
6 жыл бұрын
Yes please kill Rose. Seriously she's worse than JarJar imo.
@robertlombardo8437
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, *please* let this be the case. They could kill her, basically invalidate that whole subplot and it'd make the awkward and forced nature of that kiss so much more meaningful in retrospect. A man can dream!
@spartacus36526
6 жыл бұрын
I love it. Rose turns out to be a First Order Spy in Episode 9. Then they kill her ass off. I would love Episode 9 and it would make Last Jedi make more sense. And Fuck Rose.
@WhoElseButBlue
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe she’s called Holdo because she’s witHoldoing information from everyone
@durandal441
6 жыл бұрын
Who Else But Blue i fucking lmaoed
@ajinator4
6 жыл бұрын
Ba Dum, pshhh
@alfatazer_8991
6 жыл бұрын
Fuck off, you mad genius you!
@kylescoolclips
6 жыл бұрын
WOW, just WOW
@ShadowtheRonin
6 жыл бұрын
FUCK. lol.
@MP197742
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure it's fixable with small changes, but my one small change ... the side of the bridge blows up, but just as everyone and everything start flying at the hole, it all stops. Everyone looks at the hole in the side of the ship and is perplexed at how they are standing there alive, then they look back in the room, and the camera pans to Leia standing there with her hand up. She's using the force to hold the air in the room. Looking strained by it, she says "Get out. Hurry." Everyone rushes out the door, and she backs out last. The door closes, she collapses, and we see everything on the bridge blown out into space. She can then still be in her coma, and when she wakes up, there's a line where she says something like "I've used the force before, but never anything like that. I guess it was too much for me."
@theseekerofancienttruth3873
6 жыл бұрын
That would have been workable. The Purple Hair on Gender Studies was also confusing, especially since it implies a misuse of resources to Keep It that way.
@Flint_Inferno
5 жыл бұрын
@@theseekerofancienttruth3873 That...actually explains why I also hated her hair.
@katofdarkcrest
4 жыл бұрын
Honesty when Carrie died they should have reworked that scene and given her a heroic death. then cut and reshoot the Luke storyline and taken out the character assassination parts
@acfangaming
4 жыл бұрын
Except Leia is not an actual character in any of these movies and is only there because she was in the original trilogy. Useless in all movies. Should’ve left her out
@thegreenmanofnorwich
2 жыл бұрын
We would still have had Ackbar, and even if he was hurt or something, he seemed to have enough history, experience and trust to not immediately grate on everyone
@1000000man1
6 жыл бұрын
The thing is, Finn's plan basically proves fruitless and ACTUALLY leads to the enemy gaining information which then leads to a lot of the escape pods being destroyed. If she had at least given people confidence in her, even if they didn't know the full plan, there wouldn't have been any need for Finn and Rose's plan or the mutiny, the code breaker wouldn't have ratted them out and her escape plan would have worked PERFECTLY. So, she really does have blame on her. The whole thing about faith is not enough. You simply can't operate on blind faith. Confidence in a leader has to be earned.
@philiphockenbury6563
6 жыл бұрын
Wait how did the code breaker guy even know about the shuttle? I unashamedly like The Last Jedi, but how did that guy know about the shuttles before anybody else.
@1000000man1
6 жыл бұрын
Philip Hockenbury Poe told Finn over the radio that they were abandoning ship. The code breaker must have heard it. It was when he was working on the door.
@1000000man1
6 жыл бұрын
--I like it too, and I wouldn't class what I pointed out as a hole in the story or anything, just part of the story that the characters could have avoided. People make those mistakes in real life.
@Burtonesque413
6 жыл бұрын
What 1000000man1 said. They even made that clear by showing him suspiciously eavesdropping on the conversation while he sat in a chair several feet away.
@1000000man1
6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Boulier Oh, is that when he says it? I thought it was later when they've infiltrated snoke's ship. Either way, he's been listening to their conversations with Poe and uses it to save himself
@johanneskramer9490
5 жыл бұрын
She doesn't trust the guy known to be THE best pilot of the Resistance, the man who BLEW UP Starkiller base for fcks sake. That's the real problem
@DeepEye1994
5 жыл бұрын
And the fact that by destroying that fucking Dreadnought he saved the Resistance fleet. If they disengaged and left, the Dreadnought would've followed them with lightspeed and killed them and there would be no movie. Then Leia slaps him acting like he was being pompous (would she also slap the bombers that followed Poe? Can't she tell the bombers to return and not listen to Poe? If Poe is the only one who can hear Leia's commands and then communicates them from his X-Wing then that's shitty organization) and then she says that Holdo wanted Poe to be a good leader first and "not a hero"... ONCE AGAIN, POE DID THE RIGHT THING, AND *WE'RE IN A WAR* people DIE in a war. What, was she supposed to slap Luke and the surviving Rebel fighters when they destroyed the Death Star because other people died? Original Trilogy Leia would slap her older self for pussying out and disrespecting her soldiers, especially the one that just saved everyone's asses.
@clearspira
4 жыл бұрын
Worse: Poe blew up Starkiller base literally the day before.
@Barri2410
3 жыл бұрын
@@DeepEye1994 Uh... about Poe destroys _Fulminatrix..._ Can't he just destroy the guns below? Because... 1. More safer since there's no point-defense turbolaser under the _Fulminatrix,_ only above 2. Even if the First Order managed to chase down the Resistance, they wouldn't use _Fulminatrix_ since that ship has been rendered useless, leaving _Supremacy_ and several escorting _Resurgent_-class to do the job CMIIW
@andrewgilbertson5672
6 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely my biggest issue with the movie, and absolutely a fantastic way of fixing it SO simply. One of the issues that I think a number of your critics here may be misunderstanding- the critical difference between 'tell Poe every single detail of her plan' and 'tell anyone at all that a valid plan exists.' I don't think anyone's complaining that she didn't do the former (she doesn't owe Poe that), but the latter is a reasonable requirement, especially when considering that the movie shows the Resistance to be demoralized and panicked (all of the attempted desertions at Rose's escape pod). Good leadership dictates informing the crew that a plan exists to quell their panic and get them to operate more smoothly in actually executing the plan; not doing so because she has no 'duty' to her underlings to do so may technically fall within the regs, but it's still a poor leadership call with extreme potential to hamper the execution of her own plan (which it does).
@changelingthing423
6 жыл бұрын
Have all my thumbs up. You put it perfectly.
@saquist
6 жыл бұрын
Poe is the Squadron commander for all the pilots it doesn't make sense not to tell him anything. Infact it makes it worse if it is a spy subplot. He just disobeyed orders to take out an Imperial Dreadnought that SAVED Leia life (because they were targeting her ship and for some reason chose to fire on the empty base instead) and if he hadn't taken out that dreadnought it would have taken the base out at the end of the movie. OF COURSE he's not the spy. It's a stupid fix because it neglects everything else that's wrong.
@brenine3104
6 жыл бұрын
saquist Except if he had just turned around when they told him to, they could have jumped away before the dreadnaught ever had a chance to fire. By keeping them there waiting for their pilots to return, he nearly gave the dreadnaught time to fire again. You'll notice it was about to shoot when it was destroyed. It takes time to recharge those cannons. They could have just left with no casualties.
@captainangel1078
2 жыл бұрын
@@brenine3104 And what does the rest of the first order fleet due literally right after that? Oh yeah, follow them
@jeffburnham6611
5 жыл бұрын
I think a better line from Holdo would've been, "General Leia has a plan, you have to trust her".
@leanmeangreenbeanmachine3347
4 жыл бұрын
No
@UltmateKngofNothngthest
3 жыл бұрын
No
@woerkntwerk5245
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@woerkntwerk5245
2 жыл бұрын
Poe: "DO YOU HAVE A PLAN? PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS A PLAN!!!" Holdo: "..............I might have a plan :)))) "
@theonewhocannotsmell127
2 жыл бұрын
Poe: How much of a plan Holdo: like 12% of a plan
@storyteller2285
6 жыл бұрын
I was honestly suspecting Holdo was a spy for the FO when I watched the film in theaters thinking that woulda been an interesting plot twist.
@guywholikesgoodmusic
6 жыл бұрын
I thought that too. Probably means it was too predictable. Though to be honest it still would've made for a better story.
@sk8n4dvs
6 жыл бұрын
Same here. Anything would have been more interesting than a slow speed chase, a red herring mission, and a trip the the Jedi temple to get no training
@PumperKrickel
6 жыл бұрын
That wouldn´t have been a plot twist. Everyone and their grandma suspected that. I consider it a plot twist that she wasn´t a spy.
@IshtarNike
6 жыл бұрын
For some reason that never occurred to me. Wouldn't have surprised me I suppose, but it wasn't my first thought.
@donchako3990
6 жыл бұрын
If she was related to phasma :o lol
@jaylawrence8673
6 жыл бұрын
When I first watched the movie, I thought Holdo was going to be revealed as a first order spy.
@lordvanazir1007
6 жыл бұрын
i was believing that more and more as the film went along and as more and more ships were lost and she seemed to sit on her ass a do nothing.
@thedankestshowman2753
6 жыл бұрын
Jay Lawrence same. That would have been good.
@balakay724
6 жыл бұрын
I thought so too. I thought she was purposely bringing down the new rebellion
@romaintitus
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's the way Rian want. He want we believe she is a traitor for make his sacrifice more heroical I guess. We can see he want we trust that when poe say "you'r not only a cowards, you'r a traitor". But for me it's still stupid and useless for the movie.
@teamtundra2619
6 жыл бұрын
Before i saw the movie I thought Holdo was part of the First Order
@bahamutkod
6 жыл бұрын
"Holdo died in the blast... but Ackbar survived!" - the single line
@yashkale1689
4 жыл бұрын
bahamutkod HISHE
@henrywedekind5754
4 жыл бұрын
And the raddus survived too it traveled right through hyperspace.
@About37Hobos
4 жыл бұрын
1. The voice actor for ackbar was dead at the time of filming, Rest In Peace 2. Ackbar is a gag character to the majority of people, not someone who holds any dramatic weight 3. A human character can... act, with facial features and body language 4. The point is to not trust holdo, a known character like ackbar wouldn’t be able to fit the role needed.
@tragedyplustime8271
4 жыл бұрын
@@About37Hobos 1: They could have gotten an impersonator. 2: Bullshit, Ackbar is known by many as a great strategist, just because he has a meme associated to him doesn't mean the movie couldn't portray him as a hero to the Resistance. 3: So can aliens. Yoda, Ki-Adi-Mundi, hell you don't even need the best acting to be memorable as seen with C3PO and R2D2. 4: The point the movie was trying to get across is that Holdo is right and Poe is wrong, but Rian is so fucking bad at directing he made it look like the opposite. In a better scenario, Poe rushes to attack the dreadnaught and both attracts the FO and kills the bombers, Leia then prohibts Poe and his crew to fly, Ackbar still lets them know about his plan but Poe commits mutiny anyways because he feels Leia's coma could have been prevented had he fought Kylo Ren's TIE, Leia wakes up just in time to explain to Poe how he's a great leader but is too hot headed, Poe learns, then he commands a very succesful battle on Crait where the FO loses all their M6s and Finn sacrifices himself to destroy the cannon. Rey also manages to sabotage the Supremacy and destroy it, killing Snoke in the process as he was left to die by Ren. Boom, Ackbar survives and works better than Admiral Genderstudies, Finn ends his arc in a better way, Poe learns his lesson.
@xxxnyanthecatxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@About37Hobos Don't touch Ackbar, he is an icon of the rebellion, beside his brief appearance in the movies. Way better than this smiling old fart of an admiral, with an attitude of an alderanian noble.
@williamyang2058
6 жыл бұрын
"One line fixes everything" In my mind: Nano machines somnnnn
@americanfootball8194
6 жыл бұрын
I completely agree the movie would’ve have been better this way
@saquist
6 жыл бұрын
NO, it doesn't work. The entire movie changes with that one line. It's not a fix, it's an overhaul.
@POTBELLY15
6 жыл бұрын
saquist ...exactly. the plot was garbage
@witters85
6 жыл бұрын
POTBELLY15 the whole film is garage.
@Caleb-jq5mj
6 жыл бұрын
saquist in the video he made other slight changes that would make the movie follow to same course, but makes much more sense in execution.
@kylescoolclips
6 жыл бұрын
+saquist Wait what? You're saying it's not a fix because it changes too much? That doesn't really make sense to me. Besides, the changes that this one line creates, as the uploader imagined them, still fit with many other things and actually add to certain things that happened such as Poe trying to escape. You can't say it doesn't work because it's too much change!
@RedCaio
6 жыл бұрын
Headcanon accepted
@RealCaptainAwesome
6 жыл бұрын
RedCaio HISHE The last Jedi
@festethephule7553
6 жыл бұрын
RedCaio Agreed.
@the_dropbear4392
6 жыл бұрын
Michael Burke This
@splashnskillz37
6 жыл бұрын
RedCaio me too
@daltonwilliams1723
6 жыл бұрын
This was my headcanon already It's the first logical thing you think of when they mention they're being tracked through hyper space
@realar
6 жыл бұрын
No. The biggest issue is that not one established character had any development worthy of what they did previously. Rey, never had actual training. Finn, never had his own arc. Poe, never had a full redemption. Luke, never left the island. Leia, didn't have a meaningful send off. Chewie, didn't do anything nor eat. Yoda, broke the rules of force ghosts. Admiral Ackbar, just died.
@KnightsaysNi
6 жыл бұрын
realar Finn not having his own arc bothered me sooooo much, like, why did they even take him out of the coma? They didn't even make his fight with Phasma interesting, and that whole segment is just a shitstorm of missed opportunities and character disservice.
@realar
6 жыл бұрын
KnightsaysNi Seriously, no Lando? That would have been a perfect return at the casino.
@Anaverageguy41
6 жыл бұрын
Rules of force ghosts? I didn't realise fucking space magic had to have rules. I mean shit in Force unleashed the dude pulls down a star destroyer In the old Republic you can literally devour planet with the force, and kill the force by doing the right thing. You can create ships and power them with the dark side. There's even instances of literal mind wiping and personality adjustment with the force. Fucking fake fans and their force rules. It's goddamn space magic it can do what it wants
@realar
6 жыл бұрын
Anaverageguy41 Every damn franchise has rules it should follow, if it breaks those rules then it screws up spirit of a series. Let me give you an example, Tarzan - as a rule - has not touched alcohol once in any of its iterations. Why? Because the estate of E.R.B. has stated that as a rule for Tarzan's character.
@realar
6 жыл бұрын
Anaverageguy41 Also a real fan has standards for their franchise. You clearly don't. You let things go namby-pamby.
@isaiahhoward
6 жыл бұрын
Ackbar should have been given command tbh...🤷🏾♂️
@natevb9901
5 жыл бұрын
Sadly, they killed off poor Akbar in a trap... the irony hurts... Tbh, they shouldn't have killed off the entire rebel leadership with one special shot... the point of starship tier shields (of which the are two variety: the magnetic anti-laser repulsion variety and the anti-projectile deflector variety [for space debris, torpedoes, and kamikaze pilots] )... Their shields should have withstood bombardment from star destroyers for a period of time... where's star destroyers had their shields powered by the vast arrays within the two balls above the bridge, such that the A-Wing ram attack in RotJ against the Flagship Capital Star Destroyer ONLY worked because the shields were down after the balls were destroyed powering the anti-concussion shields along the bridge... ** That said, since im on topic, the kamikaze hyperspace assault was a continuation of the trick used by Han Solo in TFA (eps 7). He used hyperspace to get past the shields of the planet destroyer, Starkiller Base. She utilized the speed of the hyperspace jump to bypass BOTH variety of shields aboard the uber command ship. She had not quite passed the speed of light, let alone attained full hyper speed yet, else she would have been the only one destroyed. By hitting the ship underneath the shields at near lightspeed, she not only shared in her self destruction (if traveling near speed of light, a grain of dust can eviscerate your spaceship in our physics and an x-wing sized asteroid would end something the size of the falcon (explained to Luke by Han in ANH just before they enter hyperspace while being chased by star destroyers near Tatooine). However, light particles and even radiation pass through us everyday. The act of traveling through hyperspace was freight with peril as many ships were destroyed by colliding with planets or other things, hence the need for mapped hyperspace channels that came at the cost of many pre-hyperspace era pilots. Sooo, it dreams to reason that hyperspace travel of objects won't destroy the thing being passed through. (Note that though expressed in Legends [formerly the EU or Extended Universe] lore, it's relevant because they've been pulling knowledge and ideas from the EU for small subplots edition the sequels and prequels for years now...but people had been lost in the dimension of hyperspace because their ship exploded or they were ejected while traveling at hyper speed without the necessary energy to slow themselves down (akin to the imagined space particle in OUR physical universe that required nearly infinite energy to SLOW DOWN BELOW the speed of light opposite to everything else that requires infinite energy to get close to the speed of light)... so you travel forever in this hyper channel and without risk to others. There were even stories of entire space battles performed at the speed of light on up to hyper speed that resulted in this knowledge and isn't too far off from Star Trek's loss of Cptn Kirk (or was he an admiral at this point?) when they are hit by a torpedo while traveling at FTLS (faster than light speed) and he's ejected, assumed lost to eternal FTLS floating (even after his eventual death by starvation) unknowingly to unearn he was pulled from this vector per the movie plot (Start Trek Generations I believe).... anyways, it's been a thought exercise for a long time. The resulting explosion of her ship at NEAR lightspeed is what caused the destruction of all the other nearby ships in the fleet (nearly instantaneously) because of her hyperspace engine exploding while in use ejecting radioactive particles, hyperspace fuel, and debris from her massive starship hitting their ships at a speed that exceeded the refresh rate of their shields, too... So in essence, *Holdo's kamikaze hyperspace assault was merely a continuation of both the Falcon crossing planetary shields by intentional accident (Solo almost didn't slow down fast enough) AND the hyperspace capable energy shots from Starkiller Base...* _so besides being a continuation of an existing and rather old thought exercise among physicists, SciFi novelists, and cinema storytellers alike, it also is, in and of itself, a _*_mini storyline within the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Canon that appeals to the Sciece-Fiction often missing from this space opera_*
@johnmchugh8049
4 жыл бұрын
TheiHow ackbar is awesome 😎
@DarthSherm94
4 жыл бұрын
@@natevb9901 just gonna say one thing, Rian Johnson didn’t have a clue what he was doing with this film, also the whole plot of the trilogy made no sense whatsoever and had no continuity, even the actors have spoken out of this
@Avatarbee
6 жыл бұрын
That is what I was litterally thinking while watching the movie. The whole hyperspace tracking thing was just a theory. The Rebels had no idea how they were followed. Rose her theory was just that, a theory and she had absolutely no evidence. Yet no one even doubts it. Like: "Oh, this is defintely how they did it!" Wouldn't it have been hillarious if they went through all that shit just to find out there was never a tracking device? Just a spy onboard the capital ship? Oh man that whole plotline was so stupid it hurts.
@feelmypuddle4963
6 жыл бұрын
It was meant to be Poe and Finn on Cantobite, but they just swapped it out for Rose. That whole story would have been far more interesting with Poe, and the kiss at the end would make more sense
@KnightsaysNi
6 жыл бұрын
Roflmao XD
@SarudeDanstorm
6 жыл бұрын
I can't support this enough.
@icouldntthinkofagoodchanne5963
6 жыл бұрын
... wow...
@BoKeyPunk69
6 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to have seen a bromance turn into romance.
@TacoRepublic
6 жыл бұрын
So Poe is gay?
@christophermunoz2004
6 жыл бұрын
The same could be said about rose' s cheesy and generic line "we wont win this by destroying the things we hate, but saving the ones we love". That could have changed to something like "We're not going to win this by sacrificing everything we have, we're going to win this by being there for whoever needs us". This fits her reasoning for stopping Finn from needlessly sacrificing himself seeing that she had already lost her sister, all the other crew members that sacrificed themselves to by time for the resistance, Holdo sacrificing herself for the transports to escape. At this point there are only enough members of the resistance to fit in the Falcon. So the last thing she wants is to have another person (who she might find as precious as her her sister) give up everything for the resistance that is already short on man power. No use in fighting for a cause if everyone in Crait decided to just charge forward to their death. There would be no one left to oppose the First Order. Plus she no doubt developed feelings for Finn, so some of her motives could be selfish too. At that's how I though it could work. ANYTHING would have been better that what she said in the final cut.
@guitarman0365
6 жыл бұрын
ya but the only reason he was going to do that was because that cannon would have taken out the door. his sacrifice would have been a needed one in saving everyone else.. if not for luke showing up and casing a distraction they would have blown through and slaughtered everyone so this is why rose was still in the wrong because saving one more people would make no difference if that cannon was still active they all were fucked she basically just killed everyone if not for luke.
@christophermunoz2004
6 жыл бұрын
Cant argue with that, finn did have a legitimate reason to sacrifice himself but this is also why I said rose's reasons for stopping finn was selfish too. I basically saw her as the young and naïve one who still has ways to go, who never really been in an intense situation before and was basically a nobody who worked within the lower depths of the ship. Before meeting finn and going on this mission with him, her only act of heroism was tasing people who tried to jump ship. so to me, rose was the type of person that would let her personal feelings get the better of her despite knowing the stakes, mostly due to her lack of experience and this being her first time. my only beef was that STUPID line.
@ZEPR0FESS0RR
6 жыл бұрын
I hope she dies in the next movie very very soon. Maybe then the characters can do something that actually means something, that actually accomplishes....ANYTHING
@TheVeritas1
6 жыл бұрын
+Christopher Munoz Ironically, Rose's words echo those of director of Empire Strikes Back who explained the Rebellion doesn't quit because they are motivated by love for others not hating the Empire. Read more here comicbook.com/starwars/2018/02/28/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-empire-strikes-back/
@FaticusDolphinius
6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Munoz her line is so stupid when you think about the fact that by "saving the ones she loved" she also doomed them since they didn't know Luke was going to show up so they would have been killed or captured anyway.
@rachyljean
6 жыл бұрын
Oh man, please make Rose a spy in episode 9. That would make her character so much more compelling. Love this headcanon that Holdo was wary of a spy on board. Definitely going to keep that in mind the next time I watch The Last Jedi.
@stephenathon
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that would explain why she prevents Poe [EDIT: Finn] from taking out the big weapon on the salt planet!
@fofonablus7104
6 жыл бұрын
@@stephenathon what? It was Poe who gave the order to retreat not Rose you fool. Rose only tried to tell Finn to listen to Poe
@stephenathon
6 жыл бұрын
@@fofonablus7104 Thanks, looks like I wrote in Poe instead of Finn
@derpyvillager2606
5 жыл бұрын
Stephen Athon also (this is speculation) by making sure all the resistance is in one spot would make it easier to destroy them( the First order) but there is stuff that wouldn’t make sense
@thatblondboy007
5 жыл бұрын
why would anyone rewatch the last Jedi.
@Dodogssaywooforruff
6 жыл бұрын
I was talking with my friend and said the same exact thing! I also liked the idea of Finn having a tracking chip inside of him, because then it ties him back to the first order and give him the plot of her can't really get away.
@KnightsaysNi
6 жыл бұрын
trevor harnden Or, what if it's not just a tracking device, but his DNA/essence that they can track? That way you can't just remove it with surgery, and HE could have been the one to Warp into the Fleet. Badass good-guy goes out like a badass. Damn, now I really wish they'd done that instead. :/
@jaredpoon5869
6 жыл бұрын
A tracking device on Finn would have actually made a lot of sense. Seeing as they were basically indoctrinated by the FO, it makes sense that they would have treated them like objects.
@Gerumaareki379
6 жыл бұрын
...a post credit scene that says “just kidding”
@QuarrellaDeVil
6 жыл бұрын
Leia opens the shower door, and Han and Luke turn their heads around and say "Good morning!"
@johnknox8871
6 жыл бұрын
just kidding would have fixed everything. Half way through I though i was watching the spaceballs remake....."the search for more money"
@the_typhoon_struggle
6 жыл бұрын
We can still have this. I hate the cliche but i would gladly accept a Finn waking up out of his coma in the third one
@waefynder9767
6 жыл бұрын
Then an ACTUAL Star Wars movie starts playing.
@MrJacksspleen
6 жыл бұрын
Or just, "I'm sorry. - Rian Johnson"
@JackRipper8881
6 жыл бұрын
How the fuck does Finn and Rose just leave the Rebellion Fleet and fly off to Cantonica without the First Order blasting them or tracking them? If they could get away so easily why didn't the rest of the Resistance do the same thing? You'd think Leia would have been evacuated in this way at the very least.
@learo05
6 жыл бұрын
It was stated in the film, they are only tracking the big ships, that's why they abandoned ship on the the transports.
@giloguy101
6 жыл бұрын
So why didn't they do that sooner? If finn and rose could do it with no problem why couldn't they do it?
@DarkestKnightNick
6 жыл бұрын
giloguy101 did you watch the movie?
@djangounrivaled1278
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you seem pretty clueless about what happened in the movie
@Oozywolf
6 жыл бұрын
Rob Lea So explain to me why there wasn't 1,000 fighters off of them? Why was Kylo called back to the ship after he just annihilated the bridge and hanger of Leia's ship? Why didn't he just go to town on them? They just say "Ok Kylo, that was fun. Come back to the ship now. We have to go back to chasing them instead of letting you completely wipe them out." Yeah that makes sense. There's so many plotholes it's on another level. Why do we have the slowest bombers in existence? If they were that slow, they should at least have shields. But THREE are taken out by one to fighter lol. Yes. Go back and watch the scene. It's absurd how terrible these bombers are. Why are they 500000000x worse than Y-Wings? Why on Earth would any military force use them? This is just one tiny fraction of the movie and I'm not even mentioning stuff like no airlock on the ship when Leia walks in, a physical bomb release, an open floor on the bomber (nothing states there's a forcefield there in the movie, it's done in books lol), why the First Order doesn't cut them off, how Finn was conveniently stationed at the Starkiller base and the exact room they need to get to on the Supremacy, etc. I mean the list goes on and on and on and on. There's so many holes that it's staggering. It's beyond comprehension. It's unheard of. And this is in a MAIN movie in possibly the BIGGEST movie franchise of all time. Let that sink in. The biggest movie franchise of all time gets treated as if it's a Bollywood film. I cannot even begin to put this into words. It's simply unfathomable. Yet it happened, it's done, and that movie will forever stain the franchise. I always figured Disney would be decent owners because they'd at least have the money to make sure stuff like this wouldn't happen. They'd have huge staffs writing these movies and making sure every detail was thought out enough to at least make sense. Nope. No lore masters, no script doctors, no second thoughts. Just Johnson in a room killing the most beloved movie franchise of all time with a shit story, shit writing, and nonsensical plotholes. I could've seriously written a better movie. At least one without the absolute astonishing amount of plotholes this one has. I mean Jesus Christ, it's seriously like it was given to a 5th grader.
@HirionOfDale
6 жыл бұрын
Yes! I've always argued that that was exactly what was going on - and that the movie just fumbled it by not signalling the threat of a potential spy onboard the Raddus.
@DarthVader-cl6vs
6 жыл бұрын
Admiral Ackbar you are in command.
@kabob0077
6 жыл бұрын
I miss Ackbar... He was far more prominent in Legends.
@citrusaurus1970
6 жыл бұрын
mickor The older characters make way for the new characters. But I understand where you’re coming from
@daetsmlolliw
6 жыл бұрын
CitruSaurus in the prequels at least they were consistent....maybe too consistent
@TheDarkWarrior137
6 жыл бұрын
**force choke** do you feel in charge?
@kidsongz11
6 жыл бұрын
ITS A TRAP!!!
@CoreIreland
6 жыл бұрын
One line? Rey wakes up on the Falcon, still heading to meet Luke at the end of 7 and says "I had one hell of a dream!"
@maikfentzel3622
6 жыл бұрын
No, 7 was even more awful
@Aglets97
6 жыл бұрын
Maik Fentzel both are terrible, but TFA had a good set up for so much potential for episode 8. Which they had so many missed opportunities.
@Aglets97
6 жыл бұрын
Im just considering the next film trash. Im looking forward to the trilogy the guys from game of thrones are making. Hopefully a knights of thebold republic. Done rightbwith actually good writing. We need a star wars movie with some lord of the rings tolkien writing and shit would be badass.
@ericx6969
6 жыл бұрын
Kylo ren tells ray he is her father
@davidschneider6640
6 жыл бұрын
eric23443219091 and she goes...daddy?
@neil3488
6 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. When I was watching The Last Jedi, I thought that one of them would be a spy. The plot was set up so nicely for a spy, I was shocked that there wasn't one. It would have created an extra level of tension and given the Rebel crews something to do, rather than just waiting for the fuel to run out.
@stevennelson5464
6 жыл бұрын
I know a line that would fix everything. "It was all a dream."
@serjrodthebold1140
6 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@plzletmebefrank
6 жыл бұрын
Yep, could you wake me up after you do? I need to wake up from this nightmare.
@zizoumonk10
6 жыл бұрын
I used to read Word Up magazine.
@tinkerermelon6599
6 жыл бұрын
Salt-n-Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
@magic8340
6 жыл бұрын
In Finn's coma
@alexandrumoraras
6 жыл бұрын
“Ryan, this isn’t the franchise you are looking for”
@KnightsaysNi
6 жыл бұрын
Alexandru Moraras Except he's doing like three more movies, isn't he? They just won't focus on the Skywalkers.
@adamlytle2615
6 жыл бұрын
I actually assumed something to this effect was the motivation, but yes, it definitely should have been explicitly stated. My problem was just the logistics of that whole chase sequence. Why couldn't a few star destroyers hyperspace ahead and then double back? They don't have any other ships that can be called in for support? The fighters had to withdraw because they couldn't survive against the PDCs of the rebel capital ships without support from the FO capital ships... so in the FO literally just has Star Destroyers and fighters? Nothing in-between? No medium corvettes or frigates fast enough to catch up to the rebels and provide support to the fighters?
@kudosbudo
6 жыл бұрын
Let me help explain. The film actually has Hux say why they don't jump ahead. you mentioned those things about pdc etc and your right, he said that. But he also said why risk it at all when they can wait for Home One to run out of fuel. What he didn't explain and should be obvious if you understand thrust in space (And I can understand if you don't know, plus star wars has seemingly only just started obeying those rules (though I have a theory on that too) as I didn't get the chase scene at first. Took me severla days to work it out. The chase is all about thrust. or more specifically CONTINOUS THRUST in a vacuum. We all know that in space a body in motion keep on going right? So people always make the jump (and I did too) that without engines why would teh first order catch up, they are still moving! Well if a rebel ship in front loses its thrust its no longer accelerating so the ship behind will catch up because its still accelerating. Now this informs the state of the chase (al though it does lead to an interesting though about Holdos hyperjump). The ships while visually looking like they are barely moving were moving at a pace that the fighters could no longer hope to safely manuever at in a vacuum moving to keep up with the racing big ships. They had a short window of attack time then its down to the big ships and who has more fuel. So they didn't risk the small ships. What we ended up with was probably the fastest chase scnee in cinema that looks like they are barely moving (no frame of reference showing actual speed in space). So the first order could not jump ahead. if they don't jump far enough and don't have teh correct speed comign out of hyper space, bang, rebels ship coudl hit them. too far ahead and they'd lose them. Nah, thats some hyperspace jump navigation and maths i'd hate to try and work out. They coudl come out of hyper space trun round at a full stop and have enough time for them to register home one was just there as it zips past at the ludicrous speed it would be moving. So hux say do nothing. Its the easiest safest option to win and he's right. Now Holdo's manuever si pretty dman incredible. when she hyper spaces forward into SNokes ship Home one shoudl actually be moving backward at a stupid speed. So teh question is, did Home one jump through Snokes ship or did it simply stop suddenly and Snokes ship crash into it with the speed he was goign and the speed home one was going combining. Again a maths problem I don't want to tackle. However. Theres an issue. How does chewie postion the falcon and keep up to snokes ship? He'd have to come out of light speed and maintain his speed ona a tracker that Rey is following which is moving at silly speeds. I think its clear that either chewie was secretl a godlike pilot. I hope we have more chewie next film.
@daverobson3084
6 жыл бұрын
Even not trusting " just Po" does not make sense. This is the guy that was trusted with retrieving the very important information that would lead to finding Luke Skywalker. This is the guy that was trusted to lead the attack on Starkiller base. This was the guy that was ( seemingly) sent out alone to face down the First Order fleet to buy time for the Resistance evacuation. No. Not trusting Po does not make sense. It is madness.
@guywholikesgoodmusic
6 жыл бұрын
+Lion there was a very blatant feminist agenda in this film.
@StarryEyed0590
6 жыл бұрын
Not trusting Poe doesn't have to mean thinking that Poe himself could be the spy. It could also mean not trusting a known-maverick to keep the information to himself and not confiding it to the people HE trusts - like a defected Stormtrooper, for instance, or believing that any conversation about the plan could be potentially overheard by the spy.
@CheeseBurgerBurglar
6 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but he was second in command for crying out loud! If anyone was to be told the plan, it should have been Po.
@daverobson3084
6 жыл бұрын
StarryEyed0590 Good points. But, again, as Poe was previously so highly trusted he was appointed to carry out these important tasks, not just shoot em up ones either, the Luke info one required circumspection and secrecy . Of course , since the First Order showed up right after he did, maybe he turned out not to be so good at the secrecy part. The problem is, they don't write it. The writing , on this point, as on so many in this movie, is lazy. They don't write why he isn't trusted in a meaningful way so we have to guess and make up our own reasons. They do that a lot in this film. They leave gaps for the fans to fill, then, seemingly, heavily criticize when fans do so. The writing is pretty lazy on this , and many other points. The part about Finn is so odd. Nobody actually seems to care that last week he was working for the enemy. Is that because he helped take out Starkiller base? Why is this not questioned at all. Because of Poe? Because of Han trusting him? If so , why not trust him now? The point is that they don't discuss or address any of this. It is all just what we think of to fill the gaps in the lazy writing that makes up so much of this film. Some may try the " they can't put everything in the movie. It was already over two hours." To which I point out that they found time for scenes containing such essential plot elements as Luke Skywalker milking a seabeast and drinking it. Luke fishing. BB8 being mistaken for a slot machine. Chewbacca roasting porgs. They could have cut any of these for a discussion between Haldo and one of her command staff addressing the Poe/Finn/spy issue. They really could have cut one of those scenes to give us a discussion/argument between Luke and Chewbacca over why Luke has turned his back on his friends, family, and the New Republic. As it is they basically have Chewie as Rey's disinterested chauffeur, who has not interest in what is going on with either Luke , or the galaxy at large. He just wants to eat his porg meal and do whatever the girl he met last weekend tells him to. He isn't really a character in this movie. He surely is not the character we met in A New Hope. The one who, even if he always backs Han's plans, certainly had his own opinions and let you know about them. Now he just does whatever Rey says to do, no argument, no discussion, even when it seems stupid and suicidal. What a waste.
@daverobson3084
6 жыл бұрын
Nate Powe Not sure where Poe was in the militaryesque hierarchy of the Resistance Fleet. Hell. They don't even fallow USA naval rank system too closely as making Poe a Captain, when he was formerly a commander would mean a promotion under our rules, not a demotion.
@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026
5 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I just figured it out: Holdo is a self-inserted Rian Johnson! Both think they know better than everyone else, are allergic to criticism, and in the end their plans turned out to be sh*t, which everyone else but themselves realises. As a bonus, they're also both the main problem with Ep. 8 :D
@ChuuliXilla
5 жыл бұрын
That was the worst analysis of Holdo I've ever read.
@bassforhire555
5 жыл бұрын
Very poorly worded, but I can't bring myself to say it's wrong.
@panzerfaust6172
5 жыл бұрын
You not the hero we wanted. You're the hero we need.
@theunclethatdoesnttouchyou
5 жыл бұрын
Nail, meet head
@ilikepigeons6101
5 жыл бұрын
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@Matteus2109
6 жыл бұрын
I kind of thought Holdo was the traitor, at least, that's what the film seem'd to be implying. She said some asinine drivel about hope, and told them to carry on even as their ships were being blasted apart beside them. Edit: you should probably be writing for the next movie, too :)
@dragonwaz
6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Housham It was directly implying there was a traitor from the moment Snoke is told they have the Rebels on a string, to the moment Finn and Rose mention the technology only they knew was possible. It directly set up Holdo as a traitor, set up Poe as a traitor in Holdo's eye, says no it might not be Holdo cause this technology may or may not have been finished, has Poe figure out half the plan and commit mutiny with the remaining flyers thinking it's a suicidal plan, then says yes the technology was finished and Holdo wasn't a traitor. And because Poe broke chain of command he ruined the plan and got a lot more people killed for nothing, again, for the second time in the movie. The anti-feminists like to point at Holdo and shout about her being blatant pandering to feminists even though she has that line about "liking bad boy's" that I'd never hear a feminist say. Modern feminism is the reason for a lot of shitty things but I think tying Holdo to them is a bit of a reach.
@Matteus2109
6 жыл бұрын
Poe did nothing to cause harm for the Rebels. I mean, the Empire (as the officer revealed on the ship when DJ was revealed to be a turncoat) had scanners that were going to detect the shuttles no matter what. Neither Poe nor Holdo had a better plan than the other on what to do. Besides, Holdo was a bitch for no reason. She chewed into Poe even though his plan worked-destroying the dreadnought that would have obliterated the rebel fleet as soon as the empire got the drop on them. Not to mention being the guy who single-handedly blew up the Death Star 3, and going through a great deal for the Rebellion. If she should have been biting with anyone, it should have been Finn (their recent addition from the Empire).
@dragonwaz
6 жыл бұрын
The very beginning of the movie had Poe break rank and sacrifice their entire bomber fleet and most of their fighter fleet all to take out that dreadnought rather than run away. He took out that ship at the cost of all those lives and that decision gave the First Order time to move their flagship with the Lightspeed tracker into range to track them before they got away. He's the entire reason they didn't get away at the start. They also go over the fact that they wouldn't have been looking for the smaller ships, that all their tracking was focused on watching for the big ship to make another jump.
@Matteus2109
6 жыл бұрын
Well, if the bomber crews though it was bad, why'd they go through with it? Leia was probably talking on an open frequency to all the Rebel ships, maybe they ignored her because they thought it was worth the risk. And that tracker thing was really stupid. Why only have one ship with the tracking beacon on? Why not have every ship in the Imperial fleet with their trackers on in case individual ships try to make a break for it?
@dragonwaz
6 жыл бұрын
It's like you didn't even watch the movie. Poe is the Commander of Black Squadron and he was the Resistance's best pilot. He was a legend among the resistance for his flying prowess. That's why he had pull with the other pilots in that battle and why later the pilots back him up in the mutiny. The problem is he's an expert flyer not an expert tactician, he ignored the bigger picture and got people killed. Also the tracker is only on one ship, again because they explained it, cause it's the prototype. It's brand new technology that even Rose and Finn doubted could have been finished at the time.
@DavidMacDowellBlue
6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree 100%. About Admiral Haldo and her secrecy and that one line. I personally think Phasma was totally wasted and the trip to the Casino planet was poorly executed, and frankly I''d've cut at least one or two fight scenes altogether (top of the list--Finn and Phasma). But you've put your finger on the single biggest legitimate gripe in terms of plot. And to some it would have made zero difference at all.
@bobhiggins5553
6 жыл бұрын
David MacDowell Blue I agree. There was a decent bit of unnecessary scenes to please a “wider spectrum” of the audience. Also Luke was portrayed as having a “I gave up hope” mentality which is in stark contrast to Luke in the originals. He was generally just wasted in this movie as well. He had so much potential as being one of the more significant connections to the originals. Now all they have left to kill is Leia because it seems like they’re slowly purging everything from the previous movies to make way for new and “shiny” characters! (RIP Akbar, Luke, Han)(btw the droids and Chewbacca and the Falcon have “too much sentimental value” to kill off) In fact, Yoda played an odd role (the whole movie did too) and really represented what this new trilogy’s goal is. “The old is gone, accept the new.” Which is different than what I thought Yoda would do. It is as if they’re trying to say, let’s get away from that old stuff and focus on what we’re doing now! Think storm troopers are cool? Check it out, we now have a shiny storm trooper! SHAM FREAKING WOW!! (Sorry that’s my opinion of the shiny trooper)
@brenine3104
6 жыл бұрын
Bob, Yoda's change of mind was straight out of the EU. In the legends content surrounding Revenge of the Sith, he realized that the Jedi had devoted themselves so completely to the light, it had utterly blinded them to the dark. In EU, this results in the creation of the Grey Jedi. So that definitely wasn't a new thing. On a more personal note, I think Luke being in stark contrast to the Luke we remember was the entire point. It has been decades and he has lost everything. When you look at it from his view, it is easy to see the Jedi as having caused more problems than they solved. The sith were basically gone until HIS apprentice, a Jedi, fell to the dark side. The original Jedi were wiped out and the Emipre took over because a JEDI fell to the dark side. There's definitely a pattern, and it's one that could definitely be believed by somebody who had been through what Luke had. I think people underestimate what 30 years of tragedy can do to a man. But beyond that, the whole point is that he realizes that he was wrong. He sacrifices himself, depleting every bit of strength he possesses, to give the galaxy one final shot at redemption. And then he passes into the living force, for the first time in his life, truly at peace. Better than Yoda. Yoda went "I'm old now, bye!" and fucked off.
@MrDj232
6 жыл бұрын
Bob Higgins Yoda said that there was nothing in those books Rey didn't already have because she stole the books before leaving. Destroying the tree just forced Luke to focus on the problems the rest of the galaxy is having. I felt that was the kind of thing Yoda would do.
@bobhiggins5553
6 жыл бұрын
Fair enough. What I said was based off of what I had known from previous experience. Thanks for the information. I obviously don’t know anything about the EU. So yeah what you guys are saying makes sense. I just was hoping for something different.
@morrisonben
6 жыл бұрын
Admiral Ackbar or Princess Leia should have been the one to kamikaze into the destroyer.
@silkmilk10
6 жыл бұрын
Qilt General :D
@lopezmarlon
6 жыл бұрын
Akbar last words to the First Order... "It's a Trap" (blam!)
@unclefester1840
6 жыл бұрын
SO TRUE!
@moosepocalypse6500
6 жыл бұрын
*nods* would have been a far better death for the character than the inevitable offscreen death Leia will likely have... She deserves better.
@wave1090
6 жыл бұрын
It being akbar would have changed nothing. He is a character we know nothing about and nobody really cares about him beyond the "It's a trap" meme. He may be iconic, but he never was an important or interesting character.
@pablodelatorregalvez4260
6 жыл бұрын
There's a KZitemr called Ivan Ortega who is editing the movie to fix it and he had a similar idea where Ackbar, who isn't dead yet in his version, says something similar.
@lepras3993
6 жыл бұрын
I've got a great idea, what if haldo died on the bridge instead of ackbar?
@phantomcut1
6 жыл бұрын
Lepras I’ve got a better one. What if we removed all traces of holdor and rose from this movie? This include all story arcs they are associated with
@TheTimeBeing
6 жыл бұрын
Lepras nobody would know who holdo was and this video wouldn't exist
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
*_For some inexplicable reason I get the feeling people won't take as much issue with making edits like this to this film, compared to the OT..._* haha
@Jan_Strzelecki
6 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding? There are lot's of fan edits out there, _including_ OT.
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
I know I know I was just making a joke, I Actually quite like The Adywan edits
@Jan_Strzelecki
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, so you *were* kidding. Okay then :) But... y'know, I *am* kinda looking forward to what people will be able to do with New Trilogy edits, since it really isn't without its flaws, so say the least :)
@BoisegangGaming
6 жыл бұрын
No movie is without its flaws. After all, the original Star Wars has plenty of flaws.
@absalomdraconis
6 жыл бұрын
Boisegang : Perfect example, the _first_ version of Palpatine. That appearance gave such a different perspective of the character.
@tmojizhou3179
6 жыл бұрын
Idk there's to many problems for this one bandaid to fix in my opinion anyway
@saquist
6 жыл бұрын
*THANK YOU* This band-AID is gushing plot holes
@putinscat1208
6 жыл бұрын
Rian Johnson doomed the movie. He wrote Poe and Holdo.
@ashesbaby266
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I presumed that was her reasoning while watching the film; I didn’t need a line of dialogue.
@613harbinger316
6 жыл бұрын
When I watched the film, I thought there was a spy or a traitor. I must've misheard the dialog regarding the tracking device because I thought the problem was that someone on the rebel ship was sending a signal to be tracked. That would've been a nice twist and departure from being an Empire Strikes Back imitation.
@Anaverageguy41
6 жыл бұрын
Reuben Kim Except this really isn't an empire copy? There's callbacks but if you wanna call a tracking device an ESB defining feature naaaaaaaaah they use it all the time in star wars and wider sci fi
@613harbinger316
6 жыл бұрын
Anaverageguy41 yes I agree it's not an ESB copy (more like a mix of ESB and RTJ with their own original stuff), but those elements are there. It's not a carbon a copy as TFA was to ANH. Either way the tracking part isn't the only similarity, I just thought having someone on the inside betray them would be a nice twist. Lando doesn't count cause he was a third party. Ahhhh. Nerd talk. I love it!
@austinriediger6537
6 жыл бұрын
I thought spy/tracking device too, cause they for shadowed it with Finn's tracker for rey to find them!
@TRACKD0WN
6 жыл бұрын
since i saw the movie for the first time this was my head-canon because otherwise it does not make sense. so this issue hurts the movie for most people but it didnt hurt the story for me personaly because its what i assumed wa sgoing on anyway. I would be fine with a special edition for this movie. let george have so fun with it.
@shraka
6 жыл бұрын
I just assumed Poe was in the dog house and it's a military organisation and Admirals don't have to explain themselves to recently demoted commander (or even Captain). *shrug*
@cruzzectrl6636
6 жыл бұрын
The Resistance is more of a Terrorist Organization than a military one.
@boiwilde9548
6 жыл бұрын
Would have been better this way, but I still dislike the treatment of Luke, the killing of Snoke without so much as a backstory, and how ridiculously op Rey is. Seriously she is more powerful than Luke with zero training or effort or adversity.
@tTaseric
6 жыл бұрын
She isn't more powerful than Luke, During their "Fight" scene, Luke was winning until Rey force pulled the Saber, Rey could only fight 1 Guard while Kylo was fighting 3, Yes Rey is OP without training, yes she is a Mary Sue, No she isn't more powerful than Kylo or Luke
@timafterdark3759
6 жыл бұрын
All you had to do is keep your distance and shoot since she can’t block
@brenine3104
6 жыл бұрын
We got no backstory on the Emperor for 20 years, saw way less of him than Snoke, and he died by getting chucked down a pit. I personally though Luke made a ton of sense, but I've learned that all comes down to personal preference on whether people want their heros to be legends or humans, so I won't argue. I do think it's ironic that Luke specifically says that the whole "legend of Luke Skywalker" got people killed and was the reason he left, and then everyone complained about not getting "the legend of Luke Skywalker" just like he was in RotJ.
@boiwilde9548
6 жыл бұрын
BreNine but the emperor was at least established: he had been in power for a long time, was the big bad guy, and ruled the whole galaxy. We don't know a thing about smoke and he is already dead. As far as Luke is concerned it's fine if you like him in this movie, it's just odd to see someone who would rather die than kill his father almost kill his nephew. Luke only got angry at Vader because Vader specifically threatened Leia, all Kylo did was, well, nothing. And then the 30 years in solitude thing, that was a bit to much. I would have thought Luke would have been gone a year at most, he never runs away from problems in the original trilogy. And honestly he was boring in the last Jedi, he didn't do much, and he didn't even have the guts to be on Crait when he died a really lackluster death. He never REALLY got to interact with his sister, or his best friend Han, just Cherie, Rey, and through force Skype with Kylo.
@elisabethfesler8878
6 жыл бұрын
Yes! That was my thought! How could they be tracking their ship without a spy? How come everyone trusts Finn? This sentence would have added so much to the film. Thank you for saying so succinctly, what no doubt lots of us were thinking.
@Orcaluv26
6 жыл бұрын
*rey wakes up* Luke: you have now seen what would happen if we both do nothing. Shall we go? *mic drop*
@Heiryuu
6 жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t have gone over well, but it would have gone over better than what we got
@anthonycincotta9105
6 жыл бұрын
he's talking about episode 9....
@williammagoffin9324
6 жыл бұрын
Admiral Holdo is another example of the "Janeway Effect", when a writer makes a woman be the leader that women must some how always be right. Even when the character does something questionable or even wrong it must be framed as her being right because if a women is shown as being wrong (or worse she expresses doubt *gasp*) she is now somehow less than a man would be if they were wrong. Its so unbelievably stupid and lazy for a writer to do, yet they keep doing it. I just want to shove one of David Weber's 'Honor Harrington' novels in their face and say, "See: THIS is how you right a competent female leader; step one you make her an actual character and not a caricature, step two you make her a competent leader who just happens to be female".
@Foebane72
6 жыл бұрын
You do NOT diss Captain Kathryn Janeway in front of me, you little SHIT.
@petiewheat82
6 жыл бұрын
Janeway was more complex than you are saying here. She questioned her own judgement many times and yet broke the rules when she deemed it necessary...a lot like Kirk and Picard, IMO.
@divergenttardis7378
6 жыл бұрын
Voyager is PC in terms of its diversity quota, but apart from that everything seems to be normal. Janeway seemed like a less forced character than Holdo.
@aidankeys8534
6 жыл бұрын
William Magoffin you can see this when Disney took over Star Wars IE: Rey, jyn erso, and holdo
@putinscat1208
6 жыл бұрын
What about Amidala? All female Jedi, Anakin's mother, the female bounty hunter that Jango Fett killed. Let's point to any female character in the films and blame Disney.
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
Well done, That's A great addition, and fits in surprisingly well (such as you suggested, Finn being accused as a traitor, And being further motivated), it makes me think Of the possibility this traitor idea was in there in some form and was dropped for some reason, which would be aggravating if it was the case(As this idea pretty much quells the major problem I had). Although I cant imagine any sane reason why such a point would be lost. If this was in there, I think a lot of people would have much less of a problem with her character, Although as others have argued, she did have a compelling reason not to tell Poe anything at least, considering that _hot shot_ attitude got a whole squadron of bombers obliterated....... *_HER_* squadron of bombers(they were assigned to the Ninka, the ship she was in command of previously).
@andrewgilbertson5672
6 жыл бұрын
But the thing is- his hot-shot actions allowed the canons to be taken out; that's what he disobeyed orders on. Leia, to all appearances, is the one that actually launched the bombers at his suggestion; the buck stops with her. If she hadn't agreed with Poe, his actions would've endangered no one but himself. That's the unfortunate issue with both Leia and Holdo here- they both treat Poe as culpable for the lives lost because Leia can't accept responsibilities for her own actions. She let Poe convince her, but once he took out the last canon, she was convinced and- apparently- was the one that launched the bombers. Or, if they all launched because they heard Poe say 'launch the bombers,' she stood by and gave no order countermanding that launch. Which is an entirely different plot hole that needs fixing, sadly. At best, I can give the movie credit and say that this is intended to be Leia's story-arc; realizing she's not ready to lead anymore because she can't deal with the necessary losses (those bombers all died, but they literally saved the fleet by ensuring that Dreadnaught and its mega-canons weren't there to end the chase-sequence abruptly a few minutes later), and realizing that it's compromised her ability to lead effectively,thus she needs to hand it off to someone else, and further assume that Holdo only got her info second-hand and is misinformed without being able to talk to Leia directly. But that's also being VERY generous with the creators' intentions. :-)
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
hmmmmmm you definitely have a point there, perhaps it was how Poe commanded the bombers, how he treated them?.... But I'm grasping at straws here. While hindsight is always 20/20, yeah..... If they didn't take out that dreadnought _things would have gone a bit differently_
@AvengerBB1
6 жыл бұрын
Very differently. There wouldn't have even been 12 people for Luke to help out when the time came. The Resistance would've just been Rey and Chewie essentially. That Dreadnaught would've made short work of the Raddus once they caught up.
@darthkrypton123
6 жыл бұрын
No, but we do need it resolved. I mean if there was a traitor then what happened to them?
@forestelfranger
6 жыл бұрын
+Dreadnought Ai Wasn't it being her squadron of bombers something from the books? Not in the movie? +Andrewn Gilbertson That and Leia only really talks to Poe and no one else to call off the attack. Given she could of done that but doesn't seem to, if she really wanted to call off this attack.
@thearisen7301
6 жыл бұрын
One problem with this is Poe is one of the senior command staff, certainly after Ackbar & others get spaced. He's in charge of all the star fighters which makes him one of the highest ranked people on the ship. Also, Poe was right to push the attack to destroy that fleet killer star destroyer. We saw what it did to their first base which it could easily do again. It can use it's cannon in space considering it's a "fleet killer" and I'd bet it could've destroyed the last few ships with one or two shots.
@lorenthalasvalciari30
6 жыл бұрын
Anddddd we needed a line from Del Toro saying that his rose pendant was lost in a bet.
@KnightsaysNi
6 жыл бұрын
lorenthalas valciari Yes. That was so weird, I was totally expecting something along those lines, but we got nothing.
@OCDisforme
6 жыл бұрын
Or they just didn't get the Slicer they were supposed to...
@thribs
6 жыл бұрын
Attack of the Clones made more sense.
@wanderinghistorian
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It was poorly executed and the acting was terrible, but it DID make sense. At no point in Clones did I have to ask myself, "What the heck is going on?"
@darthtroller
6 жыл бұрын
Jason the acting wae good, it just had over 3 cheesy romance scenes (Anakin and Padme), the rest was absolutely well acted and good use of cgi and effects for the time this movie was released, many cool characters introduced
@martianunlimited
6 жыл бұрын
Spaceballs made more sense.... TLJ feels like a poor attempt on Spaceballs 2
@kabob0077
6 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes. Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money, the movie that should have been made.
@milzj
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Just replace her with Ackbar.
@Rodrianius
6 жыл бұрын
Mil John as far as I know, Disney's reason for not letting Ackbar do it, was the fact that his name is Ackbar, and would do a Suicide Kamikaze into the Dreadnought. You know, as in Allahu Akbar? It's a stupid fucking reason, alas not the only one, but can you imagine the shitstorm this would have created in the over-sensitive parts of the US?
@x_nasheed_x9622
6 жыл бұрын
Rodrianius Hey at least yelling gods name makes you not afraid of death
@trystanvanbruggen6094
6 жыл бұрын
Holdo’s motivation for her actions was literally my only problem with TLJ, and this idea fixes it.
@lordhawkeye
6 жыл бұрын
One line.... plus rewrite parts of the film.
@Mic_Glow
6 жыл бұрын
Remove all of the sjw/ vegan propaganda... Or at least make it more subtle and not in the way of the actual plot.
@ablaze1989
6 жыл бұрын
This would help with issues I had with the film, my major complaint though is the fact that there was no real payoffs to things set up in the last movie lol.
@bartistclord1916
6 жыл бұрын
a Mystery Box that JJ gave us years ago, we waited two years, and then, when opened revels... plain rice. and it's our fault for having *unrealistic expectations* of a Fantasy movie with magic powers and hyperdrives.
@Mr12Relic
6 жыл бұрын
The lack of payoffs was actually brilliant. ESB had the biggest twist in film ever. There's no way to top that with a weirder reveal because it would be pandering and ridiculous. Everyone though this one would do the same with everything, but then it wouldn't be a twist because you're expecting it.
@mihailazar2487
6 жыл бұрын
IVE GOT A BETTER IDEA : Why kill off a character you literally just introduced 40 mins ago ? Why not have Holdo survive and have her character interact with Leia and help lead the remainder of the rebellion ... I mean Resistance , while, get this : ADMIRAL ACKBAR Tells everyone "Don't worry, I have a plan" and noone has any trouble with that because he's Admiral Ackbar And gives the order of evacuation to Krait, while he sacrifices himself and SLAMS THE RADDUS IBTO THE SUPREMACY INTO ULTIMATE EPICNESS. C'mon ... It's the death he deserved ... Not that disappointing " Ackbar wuz on the bridge when it blew up" death Also, huge missed opportunity : Ackbar sends transmission to Hux Hux : "Oh, not this again, What do you want ? You will perish now. This is the END OF THA RESISTANCE" Ackbar : "Do you know what this is ?, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS ? Hux : "what's he talking about ? " DO YOU KNOW. WHAT. THIS. IS ? Hux : As I told you, it's THE END OF THE FO Officer : "Sir, they're charging their HYPERDRIVE " Ackbar : "It's a ..." Hux looks confused and somewhat frightened because kinda figured what's about to happen in an "shit, I didn't think of that" moment while Ackbar says " "IT'S A TRAP" And then we have the HYPERDRIVE scene. It's just occurred to me just how much better the movie would have been ... Think about it ... Ack is a military genious with tons of experience ... This crazy "checkmate" idea would be something he'd think of ...
@PipingHotFire
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed/ you watched the HISHE too didn.t you
@mihailazar2487
6 жыл бұрын
But I mean seriously now, joke aside WOULDN'T THIS BE THE DEATH ACKBAR DESERVED ? I want to hear Henry's opinion on this one ...
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
While I to didn't like Ackbar's unceremonious death, I think a major issue with having him perform the sacrifice is that while we know how amazing he is, the majority of mainstream moviegoers (and even many light/moderate SW fans) would be like: _"who the hell is this fishy guy?"_ .... Not saying it's not impossible though, they could have introduced him.... a few lines of dialogue here and there. Regardless, from our perspective........... that would have been pretty F*cking badass XD
@90lancaster
6 жыл бұрын
i think Akbar couldn't do what would be him most logical action for one simple reason "His name" it would feed a whole other meme that would embarrass Disney a great deal with how much apologies to Muslims they'd have to make because of it if he was the one doing what Haldo did - it would be pretty awkward - even if in story terms it makes more sense (Auto pilots aside).
@mihailazar2487
6 жыл бұрын
90 Lancaster oh ... Yeah, i didn't think of that LOOOL the 9/11 jokes people would have made ... From an in-unicerse standpoint though, it would have been a lot better But because of the real world, you're right ... they can't do that and expect to get away with it, especially in a time when ppl are so butthurt about political correctness
@luckyday8522
6 жыл бұрын
You keep asserting that Holdo told nobody, but she clearly told those in the crew she trusted, including the British woman who handles much of the exposition.
@ShadowsHeat
6 жыл бұрын
A FEW issues, just a few?
@god8483
6 жыл бұрын
ShadowsHeat yeah, just a few. Lots of great things in this movie.
@domenickhutterer6838
6 жыл бұрын
God I hope you're kidding
@Nabekukka
6 жыл бұрын
At least this movie was able to give a sense of pride and accomplishment to the people who were able to make up bits of head canon on the fly to explain all the plot holes and contradictions and things that didn't make sense. And just as JJ said recently, if you hated this movie, it's because you're a sexist bigot.
@Laxhoop
6 жыл бұрын
No, that does not fix everything. The movie is broken on a fundamental level, to the point where literally every character has no reason for anything they do, and most of them even act against what their reason should be.
@Mines-3276
6 жыл бұрын
Lemme guess it’s “we have a spy onboard.”
@Mines-3276
6 жыл бұрын
Just watched the video and I said this multiple times to my friends before this video came out glad to see I wasn’t the only one who thought of it
@firekram
6 жыл бұрын
She should still tell Poe the plan. Because the one person who is 100%not a double agent is the guy who blew up star killer base
@Matthewn57
6 жыл бұрын
firekram that's what someone who is a spy would expect them to think
@firekram
6 жыл бұрын
Matthewn57 Poe has literally done more damage to the first order then he could ever do to the resistance
@erzan
6 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I thought was going to be the subplot when she refused to tell Poe. It's logical. Silly script writers.
@elijah1884
5 жыл бұрын
This is the most thoughtful "fix" for TLJ that I've come across. My initial impression was that Holdo was keeping Poe specifically out of the loop because of his demotion and needing to be put in his place in order to learn to trust leadership and follow orders. I still think that works and that she withheld only from specific people, but the spy aspect works equally as well and actually compliments my initial impression. Thing is that the line doesn't need to be added for the spy aspect to be inferred. Personally, I'm fine with the movie The way it is. Just the understanding that Poe needed to be put in his place and that there was the possibility of a FO spy makes it work.
@pyryvirtanen6081
6 жыл бұрын
There is no reason for Holdo to NOT trust Poe. He is the guy who fucking destroyed Starkiller Base. You know, a huge and very dangerous super weapon the First Order possessed. Wouldn't you think a real spy would've gone: ''Oopsie daisy, I missed''. There is no logical reason for Holdo to not trust Poe.
@davidioanhedges
6 жыл бұрын
He was the commander of the team that attacked StarKiller Base, ineffectually, until the shield was turned by others he then got lucky .... he IS a flyboy He was just demoted down to the lowest officer rank, everyone now outranks him, he is the captain of a one man fighter, there are at least two people in his squadron who now outrank him, and 3 in the other squadron who outrank him, everyone on the command deck he storms onto outranks him, and he demands to know the plan of a vice admiral, who is the leader of the entire fleet ... he was demoted for being impetuous and for making poor decisions why should she trust him....
@shanz7758
6 жыл бұрын
how was his decision poor? Tell me what would've happened if the dreadnaught hadn't been destroyed and had jumped in with the rest of the fleet? Also, this whole scenario is not plausible because nothing is stopping the imperials from sending two destroyers via hyperspace ahead of the rebels ships. OR, when you see the number of TIE fighter in a destroyer, why send only 3 when they attack the raddus main deck? Just send 2 hundred of them, and crush those sorry rebels once and for all.
@nazskyre1210
6 жыл бұрын
They would have all of the fleet crew that Poe got killed still alive .... Thats what would have happened
@shanz7758
6 жыл бұрын
I already answered you in your last comment so I wont again, but you still are wrong nonetheless.
@nazskyre1210
6 жыл бұрын
You claimed a pure orbital siege craft (the Mandator 4 Dreadnaught) which is among the slowest craft in the FO fleet would have kept up with the much faster rebel ships? Yea, sorry mate you're 100% wrong here.
@7sidedfilms438
6 жыл бұрын
Than Rose turns out to be the spy, and Finn has to kill her thus bringing his arc from traitor to traitor killer. But one line wouldn’t fix much, if she said that then a bunch of other things would have to be rewritten and reshot to make that work and though probably a much better movie, Disney wouldn’t have cared enough to do it.
@pantheman2842
6 жыл бұрын
7SidedFilms And in the end he zaps her with the taser. Finn: No... YOU are the selfish traitor.
@7sidedfilms438
6 жыл бұрын
Παναγιωτης Κούσης Than BB8 rolls in and opens up to reveal he is the real Sith Lord.
@randam1005
6 жыл бұрын
7SidedFilms I would watch the shit outta this
@jean-baptistegriffon2870
6 жыл бұрын
You can't make the Asian chick a traitor. It's impossible
@0cujo0
6 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, George Lucas will just change it later...
@bartistclord1916
6 жыл бұрын
You haven't been paying attention. Back before the last 3 star wars movies, George sold Star Wars to disney and he can NOT make any changes to any of it anymore, as of, like 4 years ago. and if you knew that, punish yourself, do it now. If you didn't, well, just keep wasting everyone's time with your outdated ideas that can't possibly happen because of all the things you don't bother to know.
@NathanSherwood114
6 жыл бұрын
Bartist Clord reckon you aught to check your sarcasm detector there bud
@arunking968
6 жыл бұрын
It's ironic bro
@bartistclord1916
6 жыл бұрын
I usually detect sarcasm by Tone of VOICE, so yup, detection fail. My bad.
@NathanSherwood114
6 жыл бұрын
Bartist Clord mm ya I've got the mk IVb sarcasm detector. It detects based on content as well as tone of voice. I'd recommend upgrading but the mk V's coming out soon so maybe wait for that
@DasReverend
6 жыл бұрын
Prior to the revelation that the First Order had hyperspace tracking capability, a spy was the only plausible answer to that question. No one needed to specifically say it to assume that fear of spies is why Holdo was playing close to her chest. This still puts most of the onus on Poe as he knew that Leia trusted Holdo to a command position and not trusting her was in turn not trusting Leia's judgement
@johnnybasco5860
6 жыл бұрын
Great solution however they would have to cut out princess Leia Poppins floating back to the ship. Beyond cringeworthy and absolutely ridiculous
@KnightsaysNi
6 жыл бұрын
johnny basco Honestly, why that couldn't have just been her send-off is beyond me, I was starting to tear up because I was SURE they were going to have her die, and it was so sad but beautifully shot. Then the scene kept going and I really, really, really wished it hadn't...
@master106
6 жыл бұрын
I really don’t get why people have a problem with that Leia scene. I thought it was pretty good. It further shows that the force is in Leia and that her powers have fully manifested. It’s pretty cool.
@TheMinecraftHype
6 жыл бұрын
master106 games The main thing: it shows Kylo has inherited the strong levels of the force from his mother. Not that it was needed... but yeah.
@bug-on-a-drug
6 жыл бұрын
master106 games Because it's badly made? Because there's many better ways to show her force powers? Didn't that scene seem ridiculous to you?
@Saeronor
6 жыл бұрын
Well, unless rebel cruiser suddenly stopped during its escape, Leia has to go full Superman, chasing her ship at the speed greater than New Order destroyers. Also, by the time she wakes up, she should be splattered on a windshield of Snoke's dreadnought. ...so how come we get her gently floating to the nearest airlock as if everything else stood still for the last minutes? ^^
@estellevu8076
6 жыл бұрын
Watching the movie, I was convinced purple hair was going to be revealed as a first order spy... I wish she had been.
@baramenhardova3583
6 жыл бұрын
Vice Admiral Gender Studies :-D
@TheItzal11
6 жыл бұрын
she even acted more like the imperials then any of the other command staff... at least until it was time for her 'heroic sacrifice'
@Mic_Glow
6 жыл бұрын
Watching the movie the first moment she was on screen I was like "Disney wants to make sure even 5 year olds know she's a lesbian?" I mean, she doesn't have a nose piercing and half-shaved head, but come on.... That's not how you introduce a lgbt character.
@TechGroupF430i
6 жыл бұрын
darth - The fact that you caught that from her *first moment* on screen is remarkable. I'm just saying, some of us were more taken aback by a renown [unknown] vice admiral taking command *from outta nowhere* while the ship is being tracked via device or possible spy.
@Aj32678
6 жыл бұрын
plot twist.... the hair itself IS the spy :}
@GundamReviver
6 жыл бұрын
one line...and a complete re structuring of the consequences... also called, scrap the script, re do. which is what they should have done. seriously HISHE made a damn better script then they did now!
@SheevTalks
6 жыл бұрын
Wouter Sikkema Except the part at the end when Luke and Rey bat the blaster bolts back at the walkers. That was really dumb
@gabrielwilliams4359
6 жыл бұрын
Sheev Talks Hey, that was actually better than the way they handled it in the film with Luke being too much of a pussy to actually fight! Plus, that would be a really iconic moment in Star Wars history, and that would've saved Luke for the next installment!
@SheevTalks
6 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Williams Well they could have done the thing with Yoda. Since the movie estrablished that Force Ghosts can effect the living then it almost would have made more sense for Yoda to come in amd whoop the First Order's ass
@latioswarr3785
6 жыл бұрын
Sheev Talks Thats not stupid because the force can do that
@gabrielwilliams4359
6 жыл бұрын
Latioswar R It's stupid if it kills you! If that would've prevented Luke from being hurt physically and he still had a chance to live to be in a few more films, I guarantee you that the movie would've gotten better reviews, but nope, Kathleen Kennedy wants all of the old characters to die in favor of forced feminism down our fucking throats!
@wweirdguy
3 жыл бұрын
With one line, the plot goes from confusing motivations on both sides to a compelling game of among us
@bnewson33
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe it does fix it. Having Poe repeating her line of; "We are the spark .." Was cringey. When Finn was saved at the end, it wouldn't have been wrong to see him die . I respect they wanted something different and I can honestly say I'm not exactly hyped for the blue ray, but I'm sure that those who secretly liked it, will be buying it.
@abdulbah2176
6 жыл бұрын
Ben Newson I was expecting finn to be force sensitive
@bobhiggins5553
6 жыл бұрын
How come they let Luke and Snoke die when Finn and the shiny storm trooper didn’t? Hmmm makes you wonder doesn’t it?
@brenine3104
6 жыл бұрын
Phasma may or may not be alive. Snoke was never intended to be the main villain, and we saw more of him than we ever saw of the emperor. Luke's arc was completed in glorious fashion. I truly cannot imagine a better death for him. Not cut down by a foe, but having depleted the last of his strength to give the galaxy one last chance at salvation and, for the first time in his life, truly at peace. I agree Finn should have been allowed to make that sacrifice. it would have been a fantastic end to his arc, and I think it's a real shame they didn't go through with it.
@justinokraski3796
6 жыл бұрын
I was okay with them killing Luke, but I didn't like everything else with him in the movie until his appearance on the salt flats
@bobhiggins5553
6 жыл бұрын
BreNine ok I understand that Phasma may or may not be alive. Knowing the idea behind the duality of the forces that Star Wars is so keen on, I assume that Phasma is Finns reciprocal. Therefore because of the need to balance the force (Snoke and Luke) Finn and Phasma being equal would mean that one would not exist without the other. But they aren’t really in tune with the force, so I don’t really know. Snoke yes, he was supposed to play that overarching manifestation of evil and influence to Kylo. But because of what he represents, I don’t think he should have died that early. It seemed to me quite a cheap way to kill off somebody like that without an epic duel. More like a way to transition to the rest of the movie than a thoughtful end to that representation. Luke, oh man, he was underused and had huge potential in this movie. Then the movie started and his potential was lost. He is the dual, equal and opposite of Snoke. He is also the link between the originals and the sequels. And his most epic feat was projecting a BA hologram through the force. I think they could have at least given him a decent combat scene (the one with Rey wasn’t a real fight, he didn’t have his weapon nor did he really want to win) especially since he is the most accomplished after the the second Death Star. Considering that lightsaber combat was huge in all of the previous movies, even for the senior characters. And here it’s just a major bluff. The fighting has a focus on the “new people” and less of a focus on the “old people” who still have more experience and knowledge. I find it unfortunate that they wrote in Luke to be this “solution” to the Resistances problem throughout the movie only to find out that he gave up on saving the galaxy. He could have been so much more. As the last live “Jedi Master” he cut off from the force to hide. The strongest force competitor to Snoke just left the competition. Luke could’ve died in any number of ways, but his deeds while alive during this movie... I can’t say fulfilled my expectations. He is portrayed as a self imposed outcast after failing to teach one group of padawans. Which was apparently where he committed everything. Yoda doesn’t show up for some reason to convince him otherwise. And it’s not because he isn’t connected to the force. He doesn’t reestablish that till he does is projection and Yoda shows up to convince him to do something. I wouldn’t have minded his passing as much if he had done more than that throughout the film. I wanted to see him doing something, to know that his character persisted. His major trauma was his failure with the padawans. His major mistake was giving up. All of a sudden all of his vigor, his ambition, his drive just vanished because of one bad egg in the bunch that he couldn’t handle. He didn’t even talk to the force ghosts for help with his situation, something that he could have clearly done as portrayed in the originals. His passing wasn’t that emotional for me as he did do something useful which ended up saving the Resistance. But he didn’t really do much else in the movie. Why would he even need that much screen time (other than to say that he had a significant role)? How easily could a different character have taken his role in the story (I don’t mean his force projection, I mean for all those Rey and Luke moments)? Hopefully they’ll show Luke as more of a wise voice in the next films. Hopefully they’ll show Kenobi as well. I was quite disappointed when they didn’t have him join in. Finn should have died, it would have made sense. His sacrifice would have gone along the stories that have passed and would have been completely justified. He could have slowed down their advance by a decent bit. Rose came in with a very romantic save not realizing that “you don’t win Wars by destroying what you hate, but by protecting what you love” is completely false. By saving Finn, the walkers should have shot them both anyway and then congrats, you just sabotaged somebody’s sacrifice and made both of your efforts in vain. Then you also enabled them to fire their cannon into the base killing the rest of the resistance. A lose-lose situation for sentimentalism in vain.
@JP-rf8rr
6 жыл бұрын
Prequels > Disney movies
@god8483
6 жыл бұрын
我喜欢耶稣InfinityTemplar *Lucasfilm movies, Disney doesn’t make them.
@madjax1683
6 жыл бұрын
God yes they do, Lucasfilm is a sub- company of Disney
@JP-rf8rr
6 жыл бұрын
A Frustrated Gamer Rouge One is the exception.
@tynrova9639
6 жыл бұрын
What about how Rey went from lifting pebbles to entire boulders? How about Leia flying through space? No one line does not fix the entire movie.
@jameshewitt4706
6 жыл бұрын
I felt that even a line like somewhat like "I won't get into the details right now, but I DO indeed have a plan" would have worked to handle several of the movie's issues, but the idea of her suggesting a spy just seems much better.
@Lambda3141
5 жыл бұрын
I relly enjoyed the Last Jedi, but I generally agree with you: I was kind of surprised the movie *didn't* go with a "we may have a spy aboard!" subplot. You wouldn't need to changed that much, really.
@ricogoldstar
6 жыл бұрын
THIS can fix the entire movie. The next movie has Luke, meditating in a chamber. Camera zooms in on his face, he opens his eyes in a panic of cold sweat and says, "NO! This can't happen....I won't let it happen!" Make the *entire* TLJ movie NOTHING but a very bad FORCE VISION of the future, and *NONE* of it actually happened. Take THAT Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson!
@revanruler6404
6 жыл бұрын
Nuanced themes and Disney don't mix, if you want great story telling in star wars just play kotor 1 and 2.
@JabezGill
6 жыл бұрын
Revan Ruler ain’t that the truth. Great to see you’re still kicking Darth Revan. #GiveUsAKOTORTRilogy
@seatbelttruck
6 жыл бұрын
I like this. Although, I can see her wanting to keep everything secret, including the potential for their being a traitor, to avoid tipping off said traitor. And if Finn was a prime suspect, with how close he is to Poe, I can see her particularly not telling Poe, who would probably mention it to Finn. They still could have included a line like that however, while talking to another high-ranking character, or even unconscious Leia.
@oneoveralpha
6 жыл бұрын
That would fix a big hole in the story, but you'd still have the issue of why hyperspace ramming isn't a more common move.
@Foebane72
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly, even the "coolest" scene in the movie doesn't make sense. This movie is narratively BROKEN.
@ETBrooD
6 жыл бұрын
And the fact that Luke went to the island to die. No one knows why that had priority over helping his friends.
@brianbrush5107
6 жыл бұрын
its more or less suicide bombing plus would waste entire ships so yeagh plus this is a sequel not a prequel so its possible no one tried this before
@oneoveralpha
6 жыл бұрын
Are you saying that in the thousands of years before Episode 1, there was never a situation where someone needed to destroy an enemy ship but the only thing they had at their disposal was the ship they were in?
@evolvedturtleproductions7600
6 жыл бұрын
How is that a fault of this movie? Scientifically, hyperspace ramming would cause a lot more damage, so it’s always been an option in the SW universe. However, it’s usually not a good idea. The only reason Holdo even considered using lightspeed as a weapon was because the Raddus had no use for the Resistance anymore. It was a last resort to temporarily save the remaining members of the Resistance. Think about it- the attack damaged the Supremacy(I say damaged because you can see that much of the ship is still functioning afterwards) and destroyed a few Star Destroyers, but the rest of the First Order is still out there. Again, this was only to hold back the First Order so the Resistance could escape to Crait. Had the Rebels used lightspeed against the Empire, they would have lost a lot more resources and recruits proportionally compared to the Empire. We also don’t know what the effect Supremacy’s hyperspace tracking technology had on the defenses.
@jiriseidl4376
6 жыл бұрын
A spy would still notice that the fuel is being pumped into the transports and could report that.
@Teabone3
6 жыл бұрын
She's legit worse than Jar Jar. I miss Jar Jar more because of characters like her.
@mollyoxy
6 жыл бұрын
rose is worse than jar jar
@LT1597
6 жыл бұрын
We need a meme of Jar Jar with pink hair asap
@demabridges7582
6 жыл бұрын
She is much worse then Jaja. Yes Jaja was annoying but at least he wasn't boring, he atleast had character. She is a fucking yawn
@turtato2155
6 жыл бұрын
D'ema Bridges who is jaja
@jasonh5290
6 жыл бұрын
T-Bone Please, Everyone, always treat Everyone and Everything with kindness, love and respect. Please always remember, Jesus is always there for you no matter what. Please open your hearts to love and please find Jesus!!!!!!!
@rifter0x0000
3 жыл бұрын
That change would have helped but they definitely should not have claimed Holdo was right at the end, because she was wrong about literally everything except for the ability of a starship to destroy another by jumping to light speed (something Disney had to alter the very structure of the universe to bring about - that's how badly they needed her to be correct about something). There was no spy - the Empire was using technology to track the Rebels, and Finn tried to explain that but his plan was ignored. She actually had no plan - abandoning ship at the moment of its destruction and landing on the nearest planet is not a novel plan - it's the only course of action once you have painted yourself into that particular corner. Her claim that the Empire would not scan for escape pods has no validity. From the beginning of Star Wars in Episode IV, we are shown that it is standard Imperial procedure to scan for and destroy all escape pods leaving a destroyed rebel craft. This is to show the ruthlessness of the Empire, whereas in wars on earth even the most vicious enemies usually rescue people on escape craft/lifeboats. The Empire does this while chasing Leia, which makes her belief in Holdo even more bizarre. And of course throughout movies, television shows, and other media, this is shown to be the case. Destroy the escape pods so no one survives. Or in rare cases capture them if you want information from tortured prisoners. What they never do is fail to scan for such craft.
@jlogan2228
6 жыл бұрын
Dunno if it wouldve FIXED anything but it damn sure wouldve saved me from shouting WHAT THE FUCK DERN at the screen
@AdrianLikesFlags
6 жыл бұрын
She could have just said: "We have a plan".
@robgoren8628
6 жыл бұрын
Saying one line could fix this clusterfudge of a movie is like saying a dust buster could fix the twin towers after 911.
@aliciacarr9014
6 жыл бұрын
The only problem with Holdo saying that, on the bride, in front of everyone there is that you don't tell a spy that you think there is a spy. Honestly, considering Poe got the entire bomber wing killed by disobeying orders, he's also a prime suspect for the spy to someone who doesn't know him. A better place for the line would be Holdo talking to Leia at some point, even if it was Leia in a coma she was talking to. In fact a scene of her talking to Leia in a coma would give her a much-needed note of humanity as well.
@DrChillin
6 жыл бұрын
I really hated Admiral Gender Studies.
@lucofparis4819
6 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Henry, this is well thought. I thought Holdo was indeed fearing a spy when I saw the movie. But I was wrong. The problem of the movie is simple : its screenplay is trash. Look how easy it was to fix one of the main issues. The writing is garbage and it is obviously the fault of the director AND Kennedy's story group. Their writing skills are laughable. No matter what they think, they screwed it up. The movie was nice and enjoyable, but the story it tells is weak and falls apart on first move. I still liked the rest. But it's like loving a beautiful cookie jar filled with horribly made cookies.
@drkpoet23
6 жыл бұрын
My most hated trope is good guys not trusting each other, its why I stopped watching arrowverse on CW, just an easy cop out to advance plot.
@thegreenmanofnorwich
5 жыл бұрын
It just seemed like there wasn't a plan at all. It seemed like Holdo just went "I'm in charge and we just keep going until the fuel runs out and if we die... well, I'm in charge"
@brettmarlar4154
6 жыл бұрын
I think the whole "there could be a spy in our midst" angle could be too obvious. Plus, if she doesn't know who the supposed spy is to tell him would likely tip the spy off that they have been made. If you've read "Leia: Princess of Alderaan" where Dern's character is first introduced, you would know that social cues and simple explinations aren't her strong suit. That it took Leia a while to understand and learn how to communicate with her. It also shows that even though you might not see the brilliance of her plan, once it succeeds, you will see that it was perfect. Poe didn't have time to see that until she turned the Raddice on the Supremacy for the final sacrifice.
@owenbevt3
6 жыл бұрын
arr dam it, why are all the most interesting sounding SW books not audio-books yet. Thanks for the recommendation though.
@brettmarlar4154
6 жыл бұрын
owenbevt3 Actually it is in audio-book. In fact, just about every Star Wars book is available in audio-book.
@ontos8534
6 жыл бұрын
ah yes i love buying the dlc so the main game will make sense
@RayMKlll
5 жыл бұрын
I'd be impatient too if I was left wondering what the hell we were gonna do...
@Lordvader0727
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah one line “Do you want to know my Origin? I am the one who Trained the Emperor. I am Darth Plageuis the Wise!”
@joemillington849
6 жыл бұрын
She looked like a giraffe
@RacingSnails64
5 жыл бұрын
Joe Millington a hot giraffe
@arachneforlife3127
5 жыл бұрын
IKR
@nursekayee
5 жыл бұрын
Having that line though would then trade off suspense for Holdo's character, who we're not supposed to trust, in exchange for the plot being meticulously explained for that contingency when it doesn't need to. We could just infer that Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan because he's not to be trusted as he just got demoted and that the other crew members go along with the plan because they trust Poe more or think his plan is better, not that Holdo just didn't have one.
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