This is one of those narratives that started back in the day on reddit/4chan/twitter and with a couple of clips that don't tell the full story. It paints the JP fanbase in a more negative light than was actually the case and gives more credit to the overseas fanbase than is due. Not saying that some JP fans didn't over react and that overseas fans didn't help, both of these are true, but it's been exaggerated to fit the narrative. It's been repeated so often now though that most people just treat it as a fact. There was never a mass exodus of Towa's JP fans. As is often the case with this type of drama it was just a small number of crazies. Also the issue wasn't that she had a bf, it was that she panicked and lied that it was management...very similar to the Rushia situation where the issue was never "GFE" or that she was messaging mafumafu, it was that she panicked and broke her NDA. Overseas bros absolutely had her back though and it was around the time Hololive was blowing up in the west because of Korone, Miko, Fubuki and the others so there was a large influx of EN viewers to everyone. So overall still a great video, I just think that overtime the facts tend to get sensationalized and made more melodramatic by fans retelling it because it makes for a better story, making finding what actually happened a lot more difficult. Keep up the good work!
@somerando6215
Жыл бұрын
Sorry what is GFE?
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
Жыл бұрын
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience I think? Not sure though
@つな-u1s
Жыл бұрын
@@somerando6215 GFE= Girlfriend Experience. Basically, a parasocial relationship between fans and the celebrity.
@bruhtholemew
Жыл бұрын
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience. Basically when the vtuber goes full on "yes we ARE in a REAL relationship" to their fans, giving them tons of fan service and what not. One example of this being Rushia, going so far as to sell wedding rings with marriage certificates.
@Shivalry1018
Жыл бұрын
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience. It tends to get labeled on vtubers/streamers who do ASMR content or do yandere skits like Rushia did. My personal opinion here, but the whole GFE label is kinda absurd to me. 95% of Rushia's content was gaming streams, she rarely did ASMR and the yandere skits were no more than any other member like Korone or a bunch of other vtubers do. She was famous for her rage, not for acting like a girlfriend.
@DenjaX
Жыл бұрын
Probably a fun fact: Towa had the most English speaking/non Japanese fans among all Hololive in terms of viewer percentage before EN debuted
@Humanistic_
Жыл бұрын
Probably by percentage. But I'm pretty sure Coco and Korone had more overall total
@AgentFour
Жыл бұрын
@@Humanistic_ Probably because Coco is fluent in English.
@KyokujiFGC
Жыл бұрын
I believe, percentage-wise, Aki was in the top 3 for that as well.
@XynRemained
Жыл бұрын
@@KyokujiFGC Yeah, kinda obv with JIMMY-KUN and all
@ShinGetsu857
Жыл бұрын
She still has the largest EN fanbase. Her english fandiscord is by far the most active in the HoloJP side. Aki is close second.
@CasualOgre
Жыл бұрын
It unironically ended up being one of the best moments for her career. By purging her audience of fans like that during her early career it has allowed her to be unhindered when it comes to collabs. Nowadays she has the most amount of connections in the Vtuber community of any Hololive talent by far having played with people from Nijisanji, Vspo, 774, a bunch of large Japanese indie Vtubers/Regular KZitemrs, and even Western Apex Pros like RPR .
@meetjeric
Жыл бұрын
that's another one reason she has many fans. and most EN fans play apex so it kinda came naturally.
@GranMaj
Жыл бұрын
Yep. This is pretty much a blessing in disguise since her popularity skyrocketed, and she got a ton of exposure and connection that usually takes a lot of time to get. plus, a free "Garbage" disposal at the start of her career. A pretty much best case scenario.
@Cosmoman78
Жыл бұрын
If it weren't for this case, which purged all her toxic "fans" in the beginning, Towa won't have shining career in APEX. If she kept "pure idol mentality" like Kanata and refusing any contact with men, she won't be partnered with CPT, Mondo or Selly, and would never win any APEX Tournaments. It is truly a blessing in disguise. Her fanbase nowadays dont give a crap whoever she wants to collab with, men and women alike.
@GothicSoldier9000
Жыл бұрын
And I'd say we keep that up. Those "fans" are just parasocial creeps, and they shouldn't be tolerated regardless of any idol's own stance.
@kevinp6886
Жыл бұрын
@@Cosmoman78 what you have against kanata, just asking because she Is successful in her career as an idol to the point that her Path as lead her to More success than towa in the wallet department, maybe if you understand More about them too you Will see that neither towa or kanata are doing nothing wrong in their own paths as streamers, towa was a lot More of an fps gamer that Is why she needed connections, kanata Is not so good at gaming so and she actually had a bad reputation with the community at the start called a leech to coco and now she overcome that, but because you dont watch her you are trying to shit on her and her choice to be like she wants.
@e-madart9420
Жыл бұрын
This also shows how much the company has changed, they went from: "we're sorry for inconvenience caused by the talent", to: "Our company has no control over the talent's private life".
@TheDarkSined
2 ай бұрын
I mean they had to if they wanted to expand, a mentality like that is not really acceptable anywhere else but Japan :D
@TOBY-jy7bz
2 ай бұрын
What incident shows the last part you mention?
@e-madart9420
2 ай бұрын
@@TOBY-jy7bz Rushia's drama prior to her Termination, the company was defending her "potentially having a relationship IRL", up until she leaked information, and then she was Terminated
@アドルフヒトラ
2 ай бұрын
@@TheDarkSinedthat's true japan is one of the only places left in the world where most of the people have respect for themselves
@アドルフヒトラ
2 ай бұрын
@@TheDarkSinedwestern fans could find their own wife cheating on them in bed with another man and still take her back the next day this is the mentality of 'overseas bros' 😂
@KeebeThePlush
Жыл бұрын
I love what overseas members can do to help foreign people
@nev781
Жыл бұрын
pikamee: 👁️👄👁️
@kokoninhell
Жыл бұрын
@@nev781 she planned even before the hogwart incident.
@redbirdtribe
Жыл бұрын
@@nev781lol true it shows that we too have crazy extremests for different reasons
@meetjeric
Жыл бұрын
most EN fans do not believe in asian taboos (example USA, Britain) and other asian fans that speak english do not believe in japanese taboos as well.
@AhriHentai
Жыл бұрын
@@nev781 Time will show what happened to her (maybe). She joining another group? Doing something else? Or just staying private and never stream again. We won't know the true cause, until we do. Tons of people who talked shit about her are trolls who just want to put a group of people in bad light. Some are actually in that group. THE HATE FROM BOTH SIDES IS BAD NO MATTER WHAT AND IS NOT JUSTIFIED.
@T33K3SS3LCH3N
Жыл бұрын
She really has been one of the most committed to learn English, which is great. I think her fanbase includes many Korean fans as well, maybe because she played much with Korean Apex players.
@129das
Жыл бұрын
Coco was fluent in English, Hachama was near fluent, Korone had decent English before hololive too, ya korone is really smart, Huge intellectual.
@mekich08
Жыл бұрын
so who that male voice? her brother too??(like other vtubers that called brother/sister that secretly their bf/gf) is he in one house like rushia mafu n fbk oga too?? moona brother now its famous as rendy the moona pregnator(congrats of the first kid moona irl) maybe we dont deserve their irl time becoz we just love the virtual vtuber not the irl girl who voicing them, so i dunno what we can do in future becoz the all talent irl have future too
@NatsumiKuroki269
Жыл бұрын
@@mekich08 go seek some help, you need it
@D1ne-O-SAur
Жыл бұрын
@@129das Hachama WAS? Did she retire?
@129das
Жыл бұрын
@@D1ne-O-SAur no your reading my post in a different way.
@Spoopball
Жыл бұрын
It literally could have been anyone, a brother, dad, or yes a boyfriend. It's legit sad that people fetish/fantasies got messed up from the mistake, sad really.
@akira8393
Жыл бұрын
i mean it is the market, what do you expect?
@gerald5603
Жыл бұрын
it is the infamous dark side of idol culture in Japan after all
@Ivan_RA
Жыл бұрын
@@gerald5603 yeah... just japan...
@OmegaGlops
Жыл бұрын
It was probably none of those! The voice wasn't even from inside Towa's home, it was over the in-game voice chat. It was even more inoffensive than what the video states here.
@2ToeboBo
Жыл бұрын
Wait are you trying to tell my all the the hololive girls don't love me and may actually have a life outside of playing video games? Next you'll tell me they're using the toilet during idol meetings.
@yuukiyunaSGM
Жыл бұрын
As a kenzoku i am very happy for towa sama her music saved me when i was in a despair a 2 years ago thats when i discovered hololive and she became my oshi
@herbderbler1585
Жыл бұрын
It was around that time I found this community as well. I often wonder how many people were genuinely saved from the mental mess of 2020 because of the lifeline Hololive sent out to them. It really did create an escape from the political and social strife. Ultimately it's just internet entertainment, but it still represented something wholesome and optimistic that was sorely lacking elsewhere at the time.
@MuffinButton101
Жыл бұрын
I'm the same way, cause I kept jumping from different people in hololive and always thought that okayu ( hoped I spelled that right ) was my favorite. Once I gave towa a chance due to seeing a clip of her 3D debut I was in complete disbelief with how incredibly talented she was. So from then on she is my absolute favorite and will forever be my oshi
@thatdudewelove8498
Жыл бұрын
I didn't initially like her design, but her voice was captivating, especially when I listened to her covers. Then I grew to like her more as the years went on and hearing this story just makes me appreciate her even more! Do your best, Towa-sama, and everyone else in the Hololive company!
@imugi-16
Жыл бұрын
I also remember reading a comment about Pekora (I think it was Pekora, could have been a different member) getting backlash after she accidently showed that she tracked her menstrual cycles on a calendar, and some of the obsessed fans thought that meant she had a "partner". It's unreal how parasocial fans get with idols. Really happy to learn that overseas fans helped Towa through it.
@dalgona4819
Жыл бұрын
lmao that's the stupidest shit ever (also a sign that these mfs never really interacted with women irl lol). Women HAVE to track their menstrual cycles for health reasons, not just bc of sex lol.
@deidarapum
Жыл бұрын
I remember that one, the overseas fans where exited because that means she IS a real girl
@juni5822
Жыл бұрын
@@deidarapum that's hilarious. Gotta love em
@DinnerForkTongue
Жыл бұрын
@@deidarapum Us kaigainiki must be hilariously strange to the girls 😂
@VTsiFanfic
3 ай бұрын
Girls just do that to avoid being unprepared. Some are disabled for days. One of my gfs would curl up in bed clutching a thermal bladder.
@jaferg
Жыл бұрын
At one point, her chat had mostly English comments. Nowadays, it mostly has Japanese comments, like any other JP member, which is probably for the best. Also, between this "controversy" and how nicely the incident with Mel's stalker got resolved, relatively speaking, has left us wildly inadequately prepared for when Mano Aloe left.
@VindyCh.
Жыл бұрын
All the Kaigai Nikki Kenzoku are still there with Towa, they just mostly use the Fandiscord to talk instead of speaking in english in chat. But when ever Towa asks something regarding english you will instantly see the chat get filled with english. They are here, they just dont saturate chat with english.
@MaidenlessScrub
Жыл бұрын
@@VindyCh. that silent guardians of an angel persona is kinda cool ngl
@jaferg
Жыл бұрын
@@VindyCh. Oh, I'm not accusing overseas kenzokus of disappearing. I'm just saying that her Japanese audience has grown dramatically since then, which, for a streamer who is most fluent in Japanese, is a good thing.
@VindyCh.
Жыл бұрын
@@MaidenlessScrub We Kenzoku Protect Towa-Sama as much as we can, if she's upset we cheer her up. If she is feeling like giveing up, we give her power to push on. It is pretty much the same treatment Aki gets, i am in the rabbit hole since Sora Dai Senpai's debuted. I have seen them all grow over the Years. But Aki always has a sweet spot in my heart and trough out the Gens it was Coco and Towa wich i spent the most time watching. I will always be a Tatsunoko, but same a Rosetai and Kenzoku.
@VindyCh.
Жыл бұрын
@@jaferg I am actually really happy that Towa-sama has grown her Japanese fan base also over the Years since that incident. But Percent wise its still more of a 60-40% Kaigai Nikki fan base for her, she has a massive English speaking fanbase and also a rather large Korean Fanbase.
@pepe-dk8eb
Жыл бұрын
Towa's singing voice really hooks viewers such as myself and her unique nasally voice.
@baizhu
Жыл бұрын
i love towa. she was one of the first hololive members i saw clips of, and i took a liking to her personality immediately. she is so funny and sweet. i’m happy both she and her audience are in a better place now. it’s nice to see her grow
@Joseko_T
Жыл бұрын
Man, I remember this. I fell down the vtuber rabbit hole around that time, and would watch and support Towa after all the drama, glad to see our angel managed to bounce back and become one of the most beloved members of Hololive.
@Smartz118
Жыл бұрын
Ooh, a male voice. Could have been a brother, father, cousin, or delivery man. The "purity" part of being an idol is really arcane and stupid.
@dylannix4289
Жыл бұрын
She has male family members? She allows men to deliver her food? Idol paras: *I M P U R E*
@ZuraJura
Жыл бұрын
THERE'S NO SUCH A THING AS MALE FAMILY
@auliasa6602
Жыл бұрын
THERE IS NO MALE FAMILY! THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY MALE FAMILY! MALE FAMILY IS JUST A MYTH!
@chiefsb.3784
Жыл бұрын
are they single
@priestesslucy3299
Жыл бұрын
Or her piece of action for the night, either way it's none of the audience' damn business
@DarkSol16
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Rushia's controversy, and it makes me sad. It shows that she could have bounced back from what happened, but she panicked and leaked information that broke her contract with hololive.
@nippachandokidoki337
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was her brother going home, I don't why kale fans gets jealous over a brother
@thechosenone729
Жыл бұрын
Yup that's why i don't like how strict they are with BS about things there. I believe they should have their personal life hell i hope they have boyfriends or are married those girls are amazing and really talented all of them and people just shitting over them because some simp can't get trough his head that some girl can have a boyfriend is really f...d up.
@kylewood4488-b9r
7 ай бұрын
The Rushia controversy is much different knowing what has happened behind the scenes.
@DarkSol16
7 ай бұрын
@@kylewood4488-b9r yea, I'm up to date with it as well. It seems like Rushia is just unstable as a person in general. Her possessive and insecure behaviour makes me concerned for her mental health.
@ぼぺんげ
Ай бұрын
Now I know why some of my friend say some of Vtuber Fan base are delusion/halu
@oldking7480
Жыл бұрын
Towabros where we at?
@nagatubimaru
Жыл бұрын
Here! Towa is and will always be my oshi
@mynameiskhan4605
Жыл бұрын
the one and only my oshi...Towa-sama
@nagatubimaru
Жыл бұрын
@@mynameiskhan4605 🙏❤
@Arassar
Жыл бұрын
Kenzoku, you fake fan
@user-id3jf7kg8t
Жыл бұрын
TMT TMT 💜
@LaughingOrange
Жыл бұрын
First off, if it was a boyfriend or husband, that shouldn't be any of our business. Secondly, the voice could be a lot of other males with no romantic or sexual relationship. Father, brother, roommate, friend. All of those and more are possible relationships this man could have to her.
@OmegaGlops
Жыл бұрын
This video is a little bit incorrect about the incident itself - the voice wasn't even from inside Towa's home. It was over the in-game voice chat, and the male voice was talking about the game. It didn't stop a certain sect of viewers from absolutely losing their minds over it, though. 🙄
@ルリ-n3z
Жыл бұрын
You talking about the ideal and i agree with you but unfortunately thats not how idol culture work in japan. They know what theyre getting into and accept what come with it
@nobody-xh6ii
Жыл бұрын
@ルリ except no one should accept such bs. It isn't anyone's business who anyone is friends with in rl or what their relationship status is. No fan is owed anything of this sort no matter much they want to believe they are. This is toxic..
@ルリ-n3z
Жыл бұрын
@@nobody-xh6ii even heard when in rome do as roman does? This is exactly it except its japan. I dont like it too but it is what it is. They know the risk and accept it just like how they accept the reward.
@DinnerForkTongue
Жыл бұрын
@@ルリ-n3z Good thing overseas fans didn't conform to that when it smelled like bullshit.
@VSMartins398
Жыл бұрын
Towa-sama and suisei has the strongest vocal cordes i have ever listen in hololive
@Amagys
Жыл бұрын
Check out IRyS and ID branch Ayunda Risu too. They have tremendous singing voices.
@VindyCh.
Жыл бұрын
To add on to the mentioned Girls, you should check out Kanata, Moona, Watame, Azki and Calli also.
@Mikuroko69
Жыл бұрын
Hey man.... Congrats to whoever is with Towa-Sama. I hope he's just as proud of her as we are and supports her as much if not more than we do. I'm just happy she continued to stay and give us entertainment that we enjoy and I'm glad we got to listen to the amazing bangers that she's released.
@xkriegor
Жыл бұрын
Do note that nowadays Towas fanbase has gone back to majority Japanese. After the whole male voice debacle Towa has suffered quite a slow growth, I believe one of the turning point to this is her 3D debut stream. Her singing Error in that stream jumpstarted her rise. Other than that, her participation in various APEX tournaments also help boost up her popularity. A lot of JP Apex viewer saw her performance and fell in love with her resulting in her current viewerbase.
@DinnerForkTongue
Жыл бұрын
Has it? Pretty sure the foreigner fans still outnumber them, they just don't flood chat and keep to Discord unless called for.
@purebaldness
Жыл бұрын
I got in Hololive a few months after this, via Korone's Doom streams. So I was never aware of this incident. So it turns out there's much more to TOWA's effort to speak English than just from playing APEX. That's great to know. Thanks for creating this video.
@venandr
Жыл бұрын
It's so cute when she tries to communicate in English. I also got into Hololive due to the Doom streams.
@captainclod5269
Жыл бұрын
I still remember seeing all this happen in real time and seeing the overseas fans rally up for Towa in that week alone. It was kind of a blessing in disguise in that Towa never really had a notable identity since her debut until after she returned. By that time, only her real fans stood by.
@pokeTOS
Жыл бұрын
not only did the overseas fans help she paid it forward when it comes to the ID and EN girls shes the one who communicates with them first shes the one who helps them when they are over in japan and u can truly see that she loves overseas people as a whole
@AZ-hb7tp
Жыл бұрын
while people oversea's ruined pikamee
@DinnerForkTongue
Жыл бұрын
@@AZ-hb7tp No, _the circus of freaks_ did that.
@marinner0694
Жыл бұрын
And this is part of the reason why Palette hits harder as her original song. Even error despite being a cover, is a song that Towa made her own.
@crashicle
Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched a lot of hololive recently, but I really like watching Towa and her Apex streams. I'm really glad that she stayed in and continue to stream today. I really love her singing streams and also songs and covers too!
@applebumpcaster8240
Жыл бұрын
Tokoyami "the beloved" Towa sama. . The unspoken title or nickname given by the viewers as early as 250,000 subs. . Despite the hardships she had encountered, towa sama always has been worried towards her viewers. . Miss Towa cares. a lot. That's why everyone simply called her "Angel." . Everyone knew they met someone "special." . We love you Towa Sama! 🥰
@ListersHatsune
Жыл бұрын
One of the first hololive members I subscribed to. There have been smiles we have failed to protect before but seeing Towa's on her 3d debut and the original songs she's made for us, I'm glad that we've managed to protect this one at least
@turritopsis_said80
Жыл бұрын
I remember back then that there was this artist who draws alot of amazing Towa art. He only draws Towa, and I've never seen him drawn anything else, but Towa. His art is incredibly fantastic, and back then when Towa was not as popular, he was the only one who's art I see related to Towa. One of his art that I really like was this illustration of Towa crying because she has an halo and an angel wing on his back. However, this artist has unforunately took a break from illustrating because he is going to join the army, and Towa has fortunately send him off. I'm not sure if this artist is still active from drawing cause I barely see his illustration on my following post, but I give that artist a salute because he was one of the original artist who stick to Towa from the very beginning and brought shine to Towa when she was still small. Today, Towa has like 4k+ illustration which is absolutely wild for me, cause I've stick with Towa ever since her 3D debut. Honestly, an incredibly journey from an incredible person, both Mr. Lime and Tokoyami Towa.
@albe8479
Жыл бұрын
wholesome girl with a banger voice, what else the damn pervs want? happy for her and the fully deserved success
@takasakisaito1210
Жыл бұрын
i really appreciate overseas fans for supporting her the male voice could her bf,family or friend or others,idk. idol or not,She has her own life outside her job.
@OwGash
Жыл бұрын
Her songs are so amazing
@Headstockch
Жыл бұрын
Seeing Cover's response on Towa back in the day apologizing, vs Cover ready to defend Rushia about personal relationship rumour before they found out the NDA breach, yeah, Cover did really learnt about protecting talent, rather than pleasing minority of fans (even tho i feel like they were way smaller back then, i can see they need to please the small number of fans) I hope this is a good projectory first for talent, and it trickle down to cultivating better fanbase
@MichaelVincentGChua
Жыл бұрын
Ah thank you for bringing it up for those who are unaware of this drama at that time, it's basically "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" quite from Sentinel Prime that Towa's overwhelming English speaking viewers came to her rescue and saved her career.
@powderphysics
Жыл бұрын
I started watching hololive in late 2019, and I feel like this was a really important event in the vtubing story as a whole. Had this happened maybe even 6 months earlier there could very well have simply not been enough western watchers to rally together. It showed that not only could we be a part of the culture, but that we could even make things better than when we arrived. I also get the feeling this was significant to Cover. This would have been around the time EN would have been starting planning. Yes there was Coco, but to arrive at the 11th hour and save not only a talent but also their image showed that overseas viewers were a viable market, and that was even with a language barrier.
@cendark
Жыл бұрын
Towas beginning was rough but I'm glad to be there to support her the best since debut
@simplesmile6984
9 ай бұрын
Its insane that playing lesbian is acceptable but if shes straight and has a relationship with a guy then its a problem
@PablitoHades
Жыл бұрын
I remember that it was sad (her followers dropped a lot, but after that many overseas made her followers increase more and more). In retrospect, thanks to that now she can even do collabs with men. Personally, I see that incident more as doing a weirdos cleanup.
@DomoArigatoMrRobaito
Жыл бұрын
America "We don't care if you're pure, just make us smile,"
@1.2.1.0.R.I.O
Жыл бұрын
That Error on the 3Dnlive just hit different
@raken69
Жыл бұрын
Yah this is the time i fell in the rabbit hole... Im still trying to know as much holo talent as much as possible and 4th gen hasnt had their 3d debut, i jusr discover towa was on break regarding this issue that time
@algfourty9185
7 күн бұрын
Never knew any of this happened so thanks for the info. I feel like her prominent role in the recent GTA event has helped fans like me (who barely understand a word of Japanese) see and learn more about her, so undoubtedly her star continues to rise.
@NaoNakashima
Жыл бұрын
I don't care what happened. Instead I want to say that when I heard Towa's cover "Brilliant" for the first time, it was like I was struck by lightning. I never heard anything so beautiful before. Since that day I became kenzoku and there is no way back.
@FishBoneCh
Жыл бұрын
Towa will always hold a soft spot in my heart for sure! Plus she’s hilarious!
@sigadop3492
Жыл бұрын
Real kenzoku is the chill one
@RED_XLR
Жыл бұрын
Imagine almost being cancelled by your own so called "FANS" for something so petty. It's really sad that they would do such a thing. I don't understand their mentality, but damn.
@debbstraw579
Жыл бұрын
I missed this controversy by a couple weeks, only really dabbing my feet into the rabbit hole around the time she debuted. But its crazy how similar this was to Mano Aloes controversy. I know she did a couple other things towa didnt do but the thought of Towa requesting graduation makes me sick. Shes done so much and has one of the best singing voices in the company, and even becoming one of my favorites with her music and cuteness alone. Glad she got through it and was able to shine bright going forward
@soya32
Жыл бұрын
Yeah this video also reminded me of her. Makes me think on the "what-should've" for our short-lived succubus-in-training, but yeah that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.
@Catonzo
Жыл бұрын
You mean to tell me.. that my already unattainable Tokoyami Towa is... even less attainable?! The horror! Seriously though.. she is just so damn charming and sweet. Not to mention talented. She obviously has a life outside of streaming. She's not Korone, after all! That woman lives in her stream and I swear she doesn't even sleep. Only stops to snack sometimes. Or maybe blow our eardrums out with her idol-sneezes. I hope Towa has exactly the life she hoped for and enjoys every bit of luxury that her hard work gives her. And yes, that includes having a boyfriend.
@mustysmells817
Жыл бұрын
In hindsight this was great for her career, especially as an apex/fps focused streamer since most apex streamers are male. It let her clear the male collab hurdle early on in her career and any shit she'll put up with won't be as bad as the first incident. Now she can comfortable collab with any apex players, female or male alike without any resistance or problems because of what she's gone through and i think she's happier for it too.
@clowniefart
Жыл бұрын
the music at the beginning is fire!
@venandr
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you liked it! The song is called "Byzantium" by Home
@tokugeeky2931
Жыл бұрын
It suck how it only take some minor percentage of the fan, making a big deal out of nothing, to cause problem for not just idol but entertainment personalities in general. But glad this story got a happy ending, also nice going of the fan who know better and treat it as no big deal, which really it isn't 😂
@GaryRocksGaming
Жыл бұрын
Kangai Niki save a lot Hololive members and I'm happy that everyone happy
@hellothere9167
7 ай бұрын
You might think it's crazy but this still happens. It happened then, happened when holostars and hololive collabed and will so
@Sairento-kun
Жыл бұрын
Towa and Hakos Baelz are top for me, so I will always help Towa (even if I can't do much xD)
@NeroZeroes
Жыл бұрын
sounds like what if aloe incident get resolved in the opposite way
@VELOC113
10 ай бұрын
This was so beautiful that it almost brought a tear to my eye, I'm glad that we as overseas bros have done good for once and helped her out. I didnt know much about her or even heard about this but I'm glad things worked out in the end. Godspeed my friend, Godspeed o7
@andreanecchi5930
Жыл бұрын
I'm happy for her
@Skelyos
Жыл бұрын
I joined started watching Hololive around the time this had sorted itself out so wasn't really involved but looking back on the way Towa interacts with the EN lot & tries her hand at English so much it's nice to see the link
@sandrisandi2212
Жыл бұрын
Kinda sad really, they fail to understand that outside the character, our oshi still have life to live lets be honest here most if not all of em has a boyfriend already and probably has to keep em secret just because of hardcore fan, but still i love watching them because i see a friend, a sister, a mother (eh somewhat you get what you get tho), a dad (im looking at you dad), a kusogaki, because i like their personality and enjoy their stream
@Nightlord40k
14 күн бұрын
The western bros are the imperial fist, they hold the line
@SparkShadow212
Күн бұрын
We are both the Imperial Fist and the Astra Militarum.
@hansbrackhaus8017
10 ай бұрын
>idols must be pure Ah yes, good old Perfect Blue Back in the mid 90s or something I had a mega crush on Naomi Tamura and I didn't even know who she was at that point but I lived in the sticks, In Germany, and I was completely taken away by this new awesome kind of exotic music. She coulda had 9001 children and twice as many partners, I was still listening to that crappy wobbly tape my penpal sent me on my crappy cassette player radio to listen to her songs during summer like crazy. Idols should be required to have a partner to become idols from now on. I don't see how it would get in the way over fawning and parasocial, hel, for men, having a ring on your finger attracts women who might think they can outperform your wife, man. Lol. But perhaps they think they can be her first...what a delusion, man. Poor idols.
@hansbrackhaus8017
10 ай бұрын
P.S.: And I stand by the children and partner things. If at that point in time, back then, I could have had an opportunity to hear her sing one of her songs live, i would have gone. And if she winked at me or blew a kiss at me, I would have gone crazy like "Oh wow she noticed me" lmao, even if she had a whole darn harem for herself. I really hope the industry one day shakes this off. And no, I'm not a feminist or anything. If it were just vapid whöering then I'd be put off, virtual or not. But i bet you're getting what I'm saying anyway so I'll stop explaining.
@Lalamortius
2 ай бұрын
It was a dark time for her, it's really amazing how far the Asian audience can go for such nonsensical things. Towa sama is an incredible streamer and it would be a shame if for something so small they had destroyed her future in hololive. I really like Towa and I even traveled there to see her in concert because she is worth it ❤
@izechin
9 ай бұрын
I remembered watching her 3D Debut when I'm still new to the Hololive, and that Live Stream made me a Kenzoku. Up until now, even tho I take breaks from hololive time to time, I still go back to her, she is just so Precious.
@TallulahSoie
Жыл бұрын
Never knew about this one. Was before my time, so I am very thankful the fans had her back. Towa is amazing.
@UsagiMimiChu
Жыл бұрын
Your videos are very informative and to the point. I don't know much about HoloLive, so I've got to know different Vtubers and their inspirational stories ❤
@viktorgabriel2554
Жыл бұрын
i just learn of this today from your video and i think its funny that this is happening around the time where i first start watching Hololive and ofc Towa so hearing that i whit out ever knowing what was going on was supporting when she might have needed it made me happy TMT all the way
@DarthABBA
Жыл бұрын
For a time she and Aki Rosenthal had the highest level of overseas superchats outside holoEN (this continued on well into holoENs career)
@129das
Жыл бұрын
Coco and other members got way more so your just wrong.
@DarthABBA
Жыл бұрын
@@129das For a time Towa and Aki were at the top, now I don't mean amount as in dollar amount I meant percent compared to japanese superchats, so their personal total
@TheLaloxz
Жыл бұрын
I’m relatively new to Hololive and Vtubers in general, when I hear things that happened before I even knew this existed it makes me happy to know that we as in Internet overseas fans, have a history of good behavior and support ❤
@orimu836
9 ай бұрын
Obsessed idol fans are the lowest of low.
@NightmareZV
Жыл бұрын
I knew about the incident and that she was able to move on. What I didn't know it was even earlier than 3 months. Thanks for the info and vid.
@1brenbot
Жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation. I'd heard of the drama but never understood now I do
@llmitsull9500
Жыл бұрын
Who could be mad at this angel? She did nothing wrong. 😊
@aerouksloko2267
Жыл бұрын
Wow I never heard of this before until now and I've been watching ever since the Matsuri bandaid clips
@Blitzkit
3 ай бұрын
still Towa's one of those JP vtuber I always see collabing with other non-hololive be it male or female from other companies, this actually boosted hololive/cover more as some viewers only looked at their own following and seeing hololive outside of their safezone probably made them look at that direction. really good thing they never back down with that mindset like holomem should be able to collab with ANYONE regardless of fan's expectation it should always be the talent's decision and not the decision of the fans. it boosted more and more after opening EN branch it was a huge success and opening ID branch made it even better now hololive looks like they're aiming for nurturing their talents instead of adding more.
@thechosenone729
Жыл бұрын
Towa is going to be my favorite all the time she is entertaining and really good singer.
@TheRatedOniChannel
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: while Towa-sama is still one of the hololive girls with one of the biggest overseas fandom, in Japan she is one of the most popular hololive girls among children and families due to her content being very kid friendly, yes, she plays APEX, but esports are growing as an industry and beyond FPS games she is very tame compared to many other vtubers, with basically no profanity or adult jokes, very easy to understand vocabulary, being a complete dork who enjoys making random voices and predilection for indie or puzzle games when she is not playing FPS games. There was an event in japan where you could meet and talk with hololive girls for a minute, of course, with Towa being a giant monitor, but you could interact with her in what is known as hand-shake event, just with no hand-shake in this case; she said that there were many cases of guys being accompanied by their younger sisters because they were fans of her and also a couple of entire families arriving to the event to see her. Also fun fact number two: She is also pretty popular among girls in JP due to her own fashion sense and slang, specifically among fashion girls and gyarus. Her speech pattern and accent is very reminiscent of gyarus, with her now famous nasal voice, usage of cute nicknames for characters and even using words from gyaru culture, not to mention her love for nail art, gyaru and street fashion and very modern mannerisms like making a heart with only the index and middle fingers and the inverted V sign, all used by teenagers and young adults. Due to this, there are many girls in Twitter that make nail art and even herbariums based upon Towa... also, her morning voice makes her very popular among the girls, you should read of the threads in 2CH (basically a JP based forum page) whenever Towa-kun makes and appearance.
@Twardz
Жыл бұрын
Never even heard of this incident. I started watching her after her 3D model debut video and fell in love with her singing.
@DaddySenpai35
3 күн бұрын
U can see why all these girls really appreciate all their fans.
@M4TTYN
Жыл бұрын
Faintly recall this, and not bashing the JP fans while we can point the finger really sad japanese companies are the way their are with non issues and gotta be how they are issuing a statement on literally a not issue. And funny i see more American (give or take) kpop fans on twitter on related things, anyway don't watch TMT much watch EN vtubers on twitch but i hold the mass flock of us american's fondly and sure we all can hope the drama that happens can end and us fans no matter where and past it all we can vibe and be civil human beings!
@franklinshaki9
Жыл бұрын
I’m very happy to hear this story
@NekoDezzu
Жыл бұрын
Nice content really informative
@hypoooh
Жыл бұрын
This was how I discovered Hololive and vtubers alike, weirdly enough. Almost 3 years later and Towa is still my oshi. Don't think a persona over the internet has brought me more joy, and honestly can't ask for much more than that.
@CyclingNeko
Жыл бұрын
This is also one of the reason why Yagoo now stating that they are an Entertainment Company. Some people argued with me, even Cover is an Entertainment Company, Hololive is their Idol division thus it should stay as is because Idol division is also part of an entertainment. But let's face it. We all know why Yagoo said that. Yagoo is no longer want the company get stuck in Idol world. because Idol business got no room and tolerance to expand. Also, Hololive/Cover once said that they don't want to breach into talent's private life.
@thaitoan4760
Жыл бұрын
Did Yagoo expected this much Oversea people back in gen 1?
@scurreith3667
Жыл бұрын
Maybe not this much, but back then Akai Haato was inherently noted to have a sizable English speaking audience.
@christianlay-geng
Жыл бұрын
Back then Gen 0 and 1 barely conceived the notion of a vtuber, and everything was intended for japanese audiences.Their jokes, their type of talking streams, and their tv show were all made for Japanese audiences (referring to their broadcasts before Holograffiti). Yagoo is more of an entrepreneur so he really couldn't have. They were testing the waters if they even had a successful idea.
@129das
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it he didn't know what he was making back then he was just supporting Sora's goals that's was to create an virtual idol group. Yes he did come up with the idea off likely one of her off handed comment or long term goal.
@129das
Жыл бұрын
That's why the first gen is based off idols more then the others. That take more anime popculture references
@129das
Жыл бұрын
It's a really interesting story that started with Sora and A-Chan looking for tect to basic create Sora the vtuber and going to Yagoo tect company for high end technology at the time.
@StothefookinT-ic8tq
Жыл бұрын
Didn’t it come out that it was identified as a friend anyways
@Electronica27
7 ай бұрын
ugh I always think of the screenshot of her smiling, absolutely the one smile we saved
@Blank-s
Жыл бұрын
I remember this happening and i was confused as to why people were angry. I had no idea having a boyfriend or even a males voice being heard would cause so much controversy. Id been watching miko since late 2019 but this was my first taste of idol culture. Even now i still dont care if they have boyfriends or husbands. In fact im worried that some of them wont get married😅.
@luketinginit
20 күн бұрын
towa getting shit for a man being heard is DELUSIONAL
@McC0n0r
Жыл бұрын
I actually remember that drama but I wasn't particularly aware of Towa so I was pretty disconnected from the whole ordeal. But looking back with this quick retrospective, Hololive's innital statement "apologizing" was a BIG yikes.
@allmyfriendsarepixels
Жыл бұрын
Kaigainiki ❤Towa-sama
@Leithener
3 ай бұрын
Imo apology is the worst thing that Hololive have done in that case - because it was like admitting they have done sth wrong, while it was completely the toxic fans fault, and they were the only ones to be blamed and ridiculed.
@balbonits
Жыл бұрын
*male voice on Towa's stream* "BOO!" *rpr on Towa's stream* "YAY!!!" really annoying of the double standard of these so-called "fans". for me, I'd like for them to have a normal life, even have a family & a lifelong partner they can spend their life with. I hope for all the happiness for every Hololive talent, since they bring so much joy to us.
@katojifudo
Жыл бұрын
No man, this is far back even before she knows RPR. This "drama" was on her early career around 100k subscribers.
@Enfer666
Жыл бұрын
From what I understand, the male voice voice thing happened years ago and had the unexpected blessing of "purging" the crazies from her channel, which is why now people are chill with her having rpr on stream and such
@DarrenMc
23 күн бұрын
What's so frustrating about the whole idol thing is not so much that there are fans who are creepy and toxic like that but that the companies usually side with them and blame the talent.
@smashfam1
Жыл бұрын
Towa was so close for graduation that days, terrible attitude of the japanese harassing her she see us as family (towas fans), we supported TMT in the darkest hours :3
@129das
Жыл бұрын
Towa has a very detacated overseas following from those days. As far as I can tell most stayed even if less around not. This was before the millions of subs closer to 100k if anything maybe a bit more.
@tooru5244
Жыл бұрын
This case and Mano Aloe case basically almost the same except Mano Aloe got harassed even further even to the point got doxxed which is really fucked up.
@AngellishV
Жыл бұрын
Kenzoku for life
@brykanst9071
Жыл бұрын
idol companies need to start taking a better stance and just tell the "fans" that have an issue to fuck off any continued persistence will result in bans from everything related to the agency including concerts and live events... would probably only take someone who is crazy like that being banned by 1 or 2 agencies for them to stop all together
@ultra_kapiszon
Жыл бұрын
i miss those times when everything started with clips of first 2 gens of hololive
@jcudejko
Жыл бұрын
Towa the devil who pushed me into the rabbit hole As I fell, I looked up at her gloating over me, and smiled Thank you, Towa!
@bakoompanda6255
Жыл бұрын
also look how cover back then and now they also grown. back then they were apologizing to the viewers, now a days they will be like nope not our problem you can not handle that these girls are more then just idols when it come to their private life. when you look how towa and cover had to but with rushia they back her up on the whole boy voice thing.
@Bludflag
Жыл бұрын
I looked into the usual doxxing JP boards to see what kind of comments the JP side had on the whole male voice thing, and the controversy was about cheating in Apex when she said she was streaming solo. So it was never about being parasocial, but about being a fair, transparent streamer-which is presumably why Towa-sama took the criticism in her apology (now deleted or privated, I think). People just ran with the narrative that it was about parasocial viewers when the evidence was practically nonexistent and it was a bunch of EN viewers who didn’t know what was going on relating the facts as they knew them. It was mostly non-viewers who propagated the current narrative. I only startsd following her later so I wasn’t present at the stream in question, so I can’t verify the truth fully, but the GFE narrative seems irrelevant from what I saw (drama boards, replies to her deleted tweet).
@lunascomments3024
Жыл бұрын
I wish these self-proclaimed righteous westerner stopped spreading misinformation online. especially blaming the japanese audience which is the primary target for towa streams. this is as toxic as the idol culture in japan. stop criticizing something when you are literally clueless about how thing happened in the past.
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