When I was studying engineering at the University the first year they teached us how to use formulas but not so much about where they came from, so it was difficult at first to understand was I was really doing. Then I began to study mathematics and that was a big change in teaching methodology. The teachers explained why the formulas worked and where they came from and it was much easier for me to understand and study. Personally if I don't the "how and why" it's difficult to maintain interest in any subject. Sorry for bad english.
@Gonza-lh2vo
7 жыл бұрын
Ikr! One of my highschool math teachers would always explain why the formula is the way it is. She would say that that explanation wasn't part of the test and wasn't necessary to solve the exercises, but that it would help us to understand why things are the way they are. It did help. A lot! On the other hand, I never got to know, for example, why the pythagoras theorem is the way it is. It doesn't make sense to me why it works. And this is the case for most of the math concepts I learnt before I had that teacher, who btw wasn't following school guidelines; it was her idea to teach us math that way.
@morethejamesx39
7 жыл бұрын
M.C. V.A. Did you enjoy engineering?
@zachtaylor41
7 жыл бұрын
M.C. V.A. at least in chemistry there's quite a few formulas and ideas that come from quantum mechanics which I know I would not have understood at the time. so it's kinda a hit or miss if understanding where the ideas and formulas came from would help
@m.c.v.a.8586
7 жыл бұрын
+morethejamesx39 not so much, but I think it was because of the way they taught us, the university was bad, and after a while it became unbearable (one teacher said that we had too "Google" as our bibliography)
@jackkingers
7 жыл бұрын
Halfway through reading the initial comment, I was gonna reply "you should be doing Physics then!", but I see you basically beat me to it!
@Rayth69
7 жыл бұрын
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain
@mitchbet
7 жыл бұрын
I've been a maths tutor for 3 years. These last 2 videos you've posted have dramatically increased my understanding of learning and my students should benefit greatly. Thank you so much
@xald1234114
7 жыл бұрын
knowledge isn't understanding, time will tell how much you think you learned.
@o2n3Gamer
7 жыл бұрын
i was just thinking how a professor watching this video would help much more the students than a student watching the video, and 90% of the viwers are students that cant really be helped by the video
@DummyUrD
7 жыл бұрын
@o2n3 the students of today are the professors of tomorrow
@derek
7 жыл бұрын
Happy to help! I was a tutor for years before I became a tutor of sorts on the internet.
@pierrecarles2390
7 жыл бұрын
2veritasium , your PhD work have finally put to rest a conundrum that I, as a university professor, struggled about for 25 years: should we educators proactively debunk common misconceptions among students, or should we not cite them for fear that they end up sticking in their minds ? Pretty much all you presented in your more "meta" videos about making videos, and the littérature I read beyond, tend to suggest that citing common misconceptions in a lecture is a safe bet. You would be surprised (or maybe not) at how often this debate shows up among us educators, and how heated it can become. So, thank you for guiding me through to a better insight into the right answer to that dilemma.
@codingphysics695
7 жыл бұрын
My personal learning trick for exams back in school and university were cheat sheets, that I actually never used during the test. Because I had little space on the note, I couldn't fit every bit of information and had to select only the important stuff. In order to filter out redundant information, I had to get some understanding of the topic first and was forced to think through the matter. But this was actually less painful for me, than simply memorizing the whole stuff. Most of my study time I spend making the cheat sheet and reduced it step-by-step to a half-page note or so. Most importantly, I memorized everything on the sheet in the end without actually learning. So, due to making the cheat sheet, a cheat sheet was unnecessary in the end. I don't think of me as an hard-working and ambitious person. I'm lazy and I delay the important stuff to very end. But in a sense, my laziness actually helped me learning, because a searched for a different way for studying.
@pushkarsoni8927
7 жыл бұрын
the same thing I does now, I am a high school student. can you give me tips to study for my exam? should I stop making cheat sheet?
@codingphysics695
7 жыл бұрын
If a cheat sheet can help at your learning, you can use them during preparation for your exam. In my opinion, the important thing is not the cheat sheet itself. If you can sum up the relevant information in a nutshell, you got a deeper insight into the topic. Actual understanding is more important than pure memorization and it's worthwhile for the long term. But it requires more thinking through the matter and more studying time.
@codingphysics695
7 жыл бұрын
If a cheat sheet can help at your learning, you can use them during preparation for your exam. In my opinion, the important thing is not the cheat sheet itself. If you can sum up the relevant information in a nutshell, you got a deeper insight into the topic. Actual understanding is more important than pure memorization and it's worthwhile for the long term. But it requires more thinking through the matter and more studying time.
@niva2gr
7 жыл бұрын
When i was in uni and i had to memorize whole tomes of books for the exams, here is what i did: First read everything once. Then reread it, while underlining the most importand information. And for last, read again whatever you underlined and at the same time sum it up in a notepad. That way you'll have all the essence of a book in a couple of notepad pages. Just refresh your notes before your test and you're set!
@user-fj6by4mb6l
6 жыл бұрын
Your comment lays down the theoretic foundation of bringing one piece of A4 paper in the exam where you can write anything in it :) I do seriously think every teacher should read your comment.
@joeytje50
7 жыл бұрын
Something I just thought of when watching this video: Sometimes when I'm not focused at all, but I've told myself I'd read this chapter of a book (usually when studying), some weird thing happens where I did read every single word on the page, but after reading it all, I can't remember a single word except for those that are still in my short-term memory. After watching this video (and the 1Veritasium one), I assume it is because my "Drew" simply zones out, my "Gun" does continue to read the page, and thinks it's reading the page (because it can recognise words), but it simply doesn't store any of that information anywhere. Still, it's a weird realisation after reading an entire page, that you've stored nothing of that reading in your memory...
@ZOBENGRAUZIS
7 жыл бұрын
guess it was too fast for that moment for the drew to pick it all up. somewhere i read that taking pauses before each new information helps to dig it more. like when i tried to read book super fast, where i barely remembered plot lines, then after - i read a book veeeery slowly (almost arrogating myself)... but, after that, i could turn any page - read one sentence, and i could recall everything what happens in the page.
@MrRayne911
7 жыл бұрын
I think its about intention. If you understand and believe that you actually want that information in your brain/memories/life then the learning becomes the same as if you heard an interesting story from a friend.
@AxiologyStudios
7 жыл бұрын
I don't usually comment on videos, but I just wanted to mention that happens to me quite frequently as well. Often times I have to slowly reread a page about 3 or 4 times until I actually comprehend what I'm attempting to learn. I often notice my memory fails to store information while reading KZitem comments. Sometimes I find people explain concepts quite intuitively, yet by the time I go to watch a different video I typically have completely forgotten what I read. Take care! :)
@DudeWhoSaysDeez
7 жыл бұрын
joeytje50 same here.
@eideticex
7 жыл бұрын
Got that one a lot when studying computer graphics programming before it became ingrained enough that new techniques are easily picked up. I remember reading about Strauss lighting model, same article a good 10 or so times before it sunk in and I was able to write some code based on it. Strauss' lighting model really isn't that complicated, mathematically it is but logically it's simple. It baffled me considering the other 9 lighting models I learned in that time span were considerably more complicated but sunk in first read. Honestly I think it's a matter of poor information layout. In the case of that article on Strauss lighting model, some of the key pieces of information were in the last couple sentences of a pair of paragraphs. Had that information been moved to maybe the 3rd or 4th sentence in, everything else can be extrapolated without even reading the rest of it.
@MarkO-uc9yc
7 жыл бұрын
The critique of "sounding deep" but being nonsense describes 19/20 of TED talks. But I think you can learn from videos. Veritasium generally presents info in a way that viewers can engage and activate system II. So too the Welch Labs series on complex numbers -- but it is not a background series by any means.
@otterpus
6 жыл бұрын
I became very excited about TED when it first started and I watched many of their videos, but when I realized they were also giving the stage to, and thus legitimizing, some very unscientific people I was very disappointed. At least nothing engages system II quite like hearing complete bullshit.
@ifrazali3052
6 жыл бұрын
Otterpus TED is not science organization
@navyatayi6956
7 жыл бұрын
veritasium is one of those channels where you can really understand and learn a lot at the same time😀
@hah1738
7 жыл бұрын
did you watch this video my dude?
@blackhorsered
7 жыл бұрын
navya tayi did you watch the other video?
@zachburke8906
7 жыл бұрын
navya tayi I'm pretty sure this video just explained that these videos can fail to teach stuff while giving the impression of being taught.
@awdrifter3394
7 жыл бұрын
But that's just your confidence increasing, did you actually learn?
@leorio7416
7 жыл бұрын
how do you know ?
@ArchangelMykII
7 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the ideal level of difficulty for learning is similar to how just the right level of challenge is required to introduce flow. Too easy == boredom. Too hard == overwhelmsion. Just right == maximized learning and productivity.
@AC0KG
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is unfortunate that, at least in the US school system, most classes are taught at a level that will engage the most commonly encountered Drews, leaving those at the lower and upper bounds disengaged.
@vibodhj349
6 жыл бұрын
Thats true. We need Drew to engage with Gun and with the material simultaneously, so that we can actually store it into our memory 'with understanding' rather than trying to 'rote learn'.
@murph_mustela
2 жыл бұрын
@@AC0KG I agree - I think school should be set up more like college, where students are put in class by their ability, what they want to study, and what they want to do in secondary school or college, instead of their age. So if you struggle with English you might be put in one class, and if you are really good at maths you might be put in another for that subject.
@macacephalosaurus
7 жыл бұрын
A big problem I've had with math and science, was "what is this building towards?" I'm learning all these formulas or equations and it isn't really clear what I will understand or when, nevermind how I will use them. Maybe that's the wrong way of thinking about it, but many students seem to think in that way. To me, math and science classes feel more like getting fit than "learning". Getting fit is a way of life, not a goal. You go over peaks and valleys but it's a lifelong journey, it's never really over.
@krishnarao4290
7 жыл бұрын
* I suck at college but KZitem science videos make me feel like I learn something but after seeing this I feel so hopeless! 😢😧😩 I hope I'm not alone.
@abhijitshinde1263
7 жыл бұрын
How the hell did you get -1 views ?? :D
@user-hk1gl5pr1n
7 жыл бұрын
Abhijit Shinde That's his name, silly.
@MrPSyman3
7 жыл бұрын
Studies show you're not alone. On the other hand, I don't know you. You just might be an exception. If you really want to know if you've learned something, try to contradict what you were just told or make other connections based on it. It's not watching the videos that teaches you, it's thinking about them afterwards that does. But what does it matter? Chances are you're great at something else other than science. Or maybe you're young enough to be able to get good at science some day. Point is, keep watching and if you do it enough, some of it will rub off. And every little bit of that makes you a little bit better than what you used to be and certainly better than what we call "the masses". Even if you don't actually learn anything physical, you'll at least learn how to think better and that's way more important *This motivational message has been brought to you by 6 cans of beer and a bag of weed
@michaelherweg7421
7 жыл бұрын
-1 views HHAHAaaaaaa, I think I need to retry hare's psychopathy checklist revised
@vibodhj349
6 жыл бұрын
No shit, Sherlock ( Now this makes sense, lol)
@davidstraka98
7 жыл бұрын
What I find interesting is the fact that a lot of educational videos on KZitem are consumed as a way of procrastinating, while avoiding school related work. Whether the schoolwork will educate you more than the videos is of course debatable and probably varies a bit. Anyway great vid, I find this psychology / biology (don't really know how to label it) stuff quite intriguing ;)
@OdisAxe
7 жыл бұрын
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@guitarwally1
7 жыл бұрын
A few thoughts, first of all is the use and relevance of educational video's on youtube. I really like to watch a lot of them but I never have the illusion I really learn anything from them. Some parts go too fast, some parts are too slow (and Drew zones out), sometimes times there is too much information and sometime I just forget parts due to lack of repetition. I view these video's as entertainment, not educational. It is very different from some of the video's my teacher makes (i study at a university) which do not try to entertain. There is more motivation to learn, cause there is a short quiz at the end. So I take notes, pause the video and watch it multiple times to really understand the content. It is boring, but I do really learn a lot. Then about the active participation of students, you have the analogy about a chess match, which may be to difficult for inexperienced students. But the only way to get that experience is to active try. I dont mean that students should immediately try yo understand a very difficult chess match, but you cannot learn about chess just by book. It can be easier to use a knight if you can visualize its movement. But I think you actually come to that same conclusion at the end of your video. Oh, and last of all, I really like tour video's!
@user-fj6by4mb6l
6 жыл бұрын
Take notes really helps. Usually I watch KZitem videos for fun but sometimes when I realize it's kind of useful I then take notes after watching the video and watch the video again to confirm my understanding of the content.
@Draxis32
7 жыл бұрын
Derek's honesty sometimes baffles me. I wish I could see more of that on KZitem. People that would actively engage with the audience and post a video about a video they made, reviewing the topic. But sadly Veritasium seems to be the lone star of Wisdom, not knowledge, on these grounds. I understand that he is Doctor for a reason, but what I don't understand is where all the education originality comes from.
@tor2840
7 жыл бұрын
Draxis32 would you go so far as to call him... an element of truth?
@cireodra8470
7 жыл бұрын
I also really enjoy watching Jordan Peterson.
@andrewwahba5006
7 жыл бұрын
he has amazing insight, but this isn't news to those of us in the education field. I was taught about "scaffolding" in college when studying to become a teacher. He's not the first to use it in this context, nor will he be the last, but he is genuine in his way of approaching it on KZitem.
@Xonatron
7 жыл бұрын
Andrew Wahba, did you go to Acadia University by any chance?
@boreduser12
7 жыл бұрын
Help: I'm searching for a Veritasium video I can no longer find. It's the video in which he is answering youtubers questions from the comments section. Thank you. (SPOILER: it's the one with a special guest at the end)
@moushimoo
Жыл бұрын
I’m very grateful for your videos, Drew (and Gun!). I especially like that you talked in this video about science, art, music, and learning because I think there is something essential there. I’m a science teacher in middle school and we use your videos often in grade 9 Physics. I failed physics when I was in high school because my ‘Drew” was really busy processing other things I think. I’m old now and love science (like I always did) as much as I love art. I studied art and design in university and I’m really an art teacher who was given science to teach. I also have a daughter I put through the Suzuki method of playing violin - from a really great fiddle teacher. What I know about learning music from watching my daughter learn to play complicated pieces (ten years after she began lessons), and from learning, practicing, and teaching art, is that there is “process”. Process is what makes a “practice” of learning. Watching science videos, especially ones as good as yours, is part of the process of a good practice of learning. When my daughter learns a new piece, she needs to familiarize herself with how it goes, so she listens to it as often as she can, sometimes even in her sleep! She isn’t “learning” the piece when she does this, but she is priming her Gun to help her Drew to go to the hard “work” phase of chunking - making it easier to tell when she has it wrong, so she can go back and do it slower until it is right - building her muscle memory to match. Once she has Gun fully on board, she can activate Drew again in a performance to play it with expression that is “in the moment”. I think your two videos - the one about Gun and Drew and this one - underline how this works for students learning science too! Watching videos that challenge their thinking helps because it reviews the information they read in their texts (hopefully!), and worked through with their teacher (hopefully), and maybe even backed up with a fun experiment or virtual lab to get Drew working too. It’s all part of the process. Watching videos helps the chunking by underlining themes and helping the brain develop the scheme needed to remember the “story” of the information*, and how to use the pieces or tools needed (like formulas) to figure out a novel question on an exam (I.e. the “performance” of the information in a way). It isn’t an accident I think, that athletes use visualization to increase their performance. In the end, the right amount of “efficient” practice is what is needed to get the best result, but you need your Drew on board in the moment for the best performance. Thanks again for helping out an old art science teacher help her students engage with the beauty of the difficult and wonderful ways our world works. * By pointing out people can go wrong with their thinking in your videos, I think it helps even more because it helps the brain practice for what can go wrong in thinking about a concept. This primes students to be ready in an exam for tricky parts!
@hadierturk4693
7 жыл бұрын
Nobody makes understandable yet informative videos as good as cgp grey
@The5thStateOfMatter
7 жыл бұрын
I don't know. I'd say it's actually quite easy to let Drew sleep through Grey's videos. They have all the relevant information, yes. But I think his videos are very well optimised for the "Clear and fun with the potential risk that they may learn less" side of things. Not that I have anything against him. I love his podcasts especially. Just trying to play the devil's advocate here.
@hadierturk4693
7 жыл бұрын
The5thStateOfMatter you are very right. What I like about Grey's videos is that they teach you a new way of thinking about a subject like in the rules for rulers video or th thought germs video and yet it's very easy to understand.
@RealTalkWithSSG
7 жыл бұрын
Kurzgesagt is great too, the animations make it all the more interesting.
@thelonelygamer361
7 жыл бұрын
Na bro, CGP Grey may be quite good but Bozeman Science is far superior.
@fran6b
7 жыл бұрын
Grey can speak very quickly and it's sometimes confusing. For me at least.
@chenduranmanickam6369
7 жыл бұрын
I really like the Concern you have for education and how to make people learn. so thoughtful. :)
@vibodhj349
6 жыл бұрын
He is actually contributing to the richness of our society opposed to how people run behind money, adding little value to our society. I wish Derek was born in India, he could change a lot of things in the educational system but we have own Derek Muller, none other than Mr Sonam Wangchuk.
@domainofscience
7 жыл бұрын
Great deconstruction! You are right about balance between making things entertaining and challenging being an art, especially when your audience has a diverse background. It also makes me wonder where engaging the emotions fits in? I think making people feel something is a really good way of making things stick. My guess is that the information seems more important if it comes with some emotional clout, which makes our brains pay more attention to it. But I'm not familiar with any research on this and whether it helps with comprehension.
@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869
7 жыл бұрын
You've definitely hit the nail on the head. No single method is best. it's the proper application of a mixture of methods geared to the individual student that makes it work.
@thejonjon5000
7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you missed jump-cutting at 9:35 or if you intentionally left that pause there, but either way, I really appreciated it. Jump-cuts are WAY over rated. Natural flowing monologues FTW
@redjr242
7 жыл бұрын
Sonni Totally agree. I was pleasantly surprised to hear a natural pause for thought
@Insertnamesz
7 жыл бұрын
I don't think Derrick had a script for this video. He most likely had talking points and ideas he wanted to touch on based on the main video, but he probably didn't write every single word spoken here. I'd say that was probably a genuine epiphany/realization moment and he wanted to keep it in the video as it was a pretty significant conclusion!
@thejonjon5000
7 жыл бұрын
I don't know about that. The way he kept looking off camera suggested to me that he might have been looking at a script of some kind.
@FractalZero
7 жыл бұрын
if it were me i would have prompts and key quotes/sentences to refer to to keep me on track. maybe he has something similar.
@jeromesnail
7 жыл бұрын
You argument on music learning is spot on! I'm a self taught guitarist and it really helped to first play music I knew before getting into theory. I think it is a very big problem in music schools here in France, where you first learn how to read music, sometimes without even touching an instrument for months, before actually learning how to play songs.
@tictac311
7 жыл бұрын
This is definitely something i never really thought about and i'm glad you brought it up. I don't think there will be a concrete solution to that learning balance, but i have found that the more memorable learning moments were those "oh my god i finally get it" situations (in a way which you find out on your own). It would be great if there was a way to got those moments in the learning process.
@dariusjuodokas9458
Жыл бұрын
I think the videos that we learn the least from boot our confidence the most, because these are the videos that mostly confirm what we ALREADY know (i.e. not new stuff). And videos that actually carry information new to us, e.g. teach us about A, B and D, bring us to the point where we lack the followup videos low on new stuff, mostly confirming A, B and D, to boost our confidence. _Repetitio est mater studiorum_
@quasar.nebula
7 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine being this early but _not_ having watched that first video?
@skywalker2837
7 жыл бұрын
towerofnix even if i didnt watch it, i still know how it works, i think ASAP SCIENCE had a skit for it too
@dogoku
7 жыл бұрын
i havent...
@Argi1000
7 жыл бұрын
Me too, which video is the first video?
@ArlenBrackovic
7 жыл бұрын
But you don't know who is gun and who drew? :D
@Shadowmere29
7 жыл бұрын
I thought circuits were taught in freshman year in physics 2: electricity and magnetism.
@MissInception95
7 жыл бұрын
This is why you are the best Derek - this is so true. I see the idea that people love bite sized educational summaries or little video clips or short how-to "listicle" articles because they can't be bothered learning the meat of the information, and they can easily feel inspired by these short things. I believe this is so because people like instant gratification, instant results, and "instant knowledge" without wanting to invest enough time into it. Which is why many people fall for buying online courses. The successful people out there all learn it the hard way, and then they write up a "formula for success" which they then sell to other people who are hungry for instant growth and results. But the best way to learn is to actually write up your own formula for success, by learning it the hard way - i.e. whether this be really digging into the research article, or actually finishing the book instead of reading the summary, or starting your own business and learn first-hand, rather than buying an ebook that supposedly teaches you how to start your own businesss
@jacobhelbig6967
7 жыл бұрын
In School (8th Grade), Some of my Teachers give me the option to work on tasks that I choose or create by myself, because the normal lessons kind of bore me. I think that's really cool!
@CoderBeast
7 жыл бұрын
I wish I could have that, (IB 1 here (kinda 11th grade but x10 harder))
@NbaDan1
2 жыл бұрын
Your so lucky, I wish I was you
@lotus9411
7 жыл бұрын
5:26to 5:33 proof that Derek can dance. Tbt 😂
@shanegallant9018
6 жыл бұрын
Teehee! I saw him bounce a few times too!
@krishnamohan2351
7 жыл бұрын
So basically teaching is an art. And I say Derek is a great artist! :)
@derek
7 жыл бұрын
thank you! An art and a science. It's science in that I think there are some principles that work repeatably, but also an art in that there may be many different ways to accomplish the same thing and a great teacher knows how and when to use different techniques.
@daysofend
7 жыл бұрын
But Derek, *anyone* can be a teacher. Pedagogy and learning theory are fake (and sick) degrees. Sarcasm disclaimer for dense people.
@javierRC82857
7 жыл бұрын
2veritasium science is an art too, any activity that reliance in something more than a mechanical process
@rrozinak
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I get your sarcasm but I really think "anyone" can be a teacher. In the same way as anyone can be a painter or a scientist. If you are determined, work hard and practice the skills you need you can do almost anything. It takes years of hard work though. Most people are not willing to do that. It's easier to say "I'm not talented at math/drawing/teaching..."
@javierRC82857
7 жыл бұрын
roman Mastery depends on self-motivation, rather than on the individual's innate abilities
@currydood
7 жыл бұрын
YES!!! Absolutely spot on. I I am a maths teacher in NSW Australia and we are currently experiencing a greater push to churn out results (from statewide numeracy and literacy exams), without considering whether actual learning is taking place. I believe this is the root of the outcry that, on the one hand, we shouldn't teach to the test because actual learning is forfeited, but on the other, we have to teach to the test because so much rides on success in these statewide exams. I think that the solution to this problem is for teachers to be more focused on creating assessments of their own that actually do assess whether learning is taking place. In maths, we call this formative assessment and in teaching to this sort of test, we can genuinely assess learning. In ensuring that the skills to do well in this sort of test are learnt, we are ensuring that students develop a schema upon which they can lay further foundation, eventually leading to "doing" science or "doing" maths or whatever of their own. Beautiful ending line. THIS is what great education is about. 👌👌
@navyatayi6956
7 жыл бұрын
wow...this is a really great video
@hijack69
7 жыл бұрын
navya tayi You've got 40 likes for just stating how great the video is
@Insertnamesz
7 жыл бұрын
it's almost as if people agree that the video was great crazy, right?
@navyatayi6956
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jack ...i'm actually quite surprised..😀
@navyatayi6956
7 жыл бұрын
Insertnamesz / Lije ...yes
@navyatayi6956
7 жыл бұрын
Another Tex 😊
@hotdrippyglass
7 жыл бұрын
Merlin The Magician said in the book The Once and Future King; "In Order To Learn Anything Well, One Must Forget It Several Times". "Scaffolding" allows the student to gain experience with all of the details on the first and second exposure without having to be required to pass the final exam at the end of every statement the teacher speaks. Concepts need explanation before the structure is understandable. Once the structure is understood the details can be fleshed out for a more thorough examination.
@THESocialJusticeWarrior
7 жыл бұрын
Teach critical thinking skills first.
@sirmeowthelibrarycat
7 жыл бұрын
THESocialJusticeWarrior Yes, indeed! Even young minds are open to investigative enquiry through questions that do not have obvious answers. In English lessons, act as a writer; in History lessons as an investigator; in Expressive Arts lessons be active and mobile, and so on. The Philosophy for Children (P4C) scheme is one approach I would recommend as the foundation for such an approach 😃😃😃😃🏛🇬🇧
@JC90266
7 жыл бұрын
As a 3rd year teacher who has gone through a credential program hell bent on constructivist strategies and working in a school that is very intent on having the students "Do the science" this was very refreshing for me to hear. Thank you for articulating what I've felt about some of the misguided tendencies that get wrapped up in this type of strategy. I also showed your thinking video to my students to illustrate that if they are learning something it's not going to be comfortable and if anything it should be difficult. I hope they start to recognize those moments of struggle and identify them as a growth opportunity rather than giving up. I've already alluded back to your video when a student was going to give up at one point recently. Keep up the great work!
@792247
7 жыл бұрын
I'm curious what your thoughts are on university science/math teaching? I'm doing my undergraduate and one thing I've noticed is that, for classes like math a lot of the testing comes down to speed and memorization. Obviously the theory and proofs is taught extensively, but the proofs haven't really been tested for my classes so far (calculus - derivatives and integrals). From what I've heard proofs is done mostly in more advanced classes and for math majors. So at the end of the day this made me (and other people who are juggling a heavy course load) skip the non-essential proofs and just memorize certain things (like special rules) as well as focusing on just doing a lot of problems by applying the learned methods. This made me forget more easily how the proofs actually worked. Besides this, the tests they give us are quite difficult to do in the allotted time. If you want to actually finish it in time, you need to be super familiar with the types of questions, to the point where you're almost doing it like a machine. It's all about being able to execute the methods perfectly, without necessarily understanding why you were allowed to use the methods in the first place. There are fewer (if any) questions that require careful deliberation and reflection. It's all about regurgitation at record speed. Personally the speed thing has always pissed me off because it doesn't feel like a reflection of a person's capabilities. There is a case to be made that thinking slowly, deliberately, and "from the ground up" is a much more valuable skill than being able to repeat a task ad nauseam. And it feels like universities have been leaning more heavily on "fast and dumb" these days.
@Doubleranged1
6 жыл бұрын
whutman you are so right. In my major we follow 12 classes in 1 semester, which is so many that you can't keep up, unless you just "trick" your way to good grades. It is not about understanding, it id about being able to speed-make the tests.
@MissHorton007
5 жыл бұрын
As far as learning like that goes, I think that you are building a foundation. Once you know all of those things and can do them quickly, you can go back and learn the proofs and the reasons behind them.
@flymypg
7 жыл бұрын
Learning modalities: Video can hit only so many of them. Video classes actively discourage note-taking, since rewind/replay is always available. Learning modality missed. Yet playing along with KZitem music videos with the sheet music displayed is awesome!
@dalvira123
7 жыл бұрын
I hope Michael Stevens watched this video
@thehanghoul
5 жыл бұрын
RAJ DALVI in all honesty, I don’t think he’s really a bad culprit. For one, while his videos are entertaining, I find he does that on purpose. He’s not so focused on teaching, or informing, as he is focused on poking our curiosity, and guiding us in a direction to learn more. So if anything, I think he’s encouraging people to learn. Sure, he might not be exactly educational, but then again, I wouldn’t argue that Derek here is (always) exactly educational either (and he admits that).
@thehanghoul
5 жыл бұрын
Which is no means a diss to Derek. His channel is outstanding. I think his point is well taken, though: I think its very difficult (and quite boring) to be perfectly educational. Without some sort of device to bring people to learn, I don't know if we'd ever learn calculus, physics, or economics. So, all in all, I think channels like Vsauce, Veritasium, 3brown1grey, etc, are excellent educational channels, especially considering the vast amounts of shit out there.
@facelesshalo5174
7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree, confirm why someone like me, now an old man, somewhat excels at basic scientific knowledge and understanding of certain scientifically born concepts. I've watched so many scientific documentaries, explanations, and the like for such a long period of time I've "scaffolded" my learning and taught myself concepts I literally failed in at high school. I love when you present questions too because of this scaffolding I rarely take the obvious answer and try to think outside the box and rely on more rudimentary forces to understand the question before answering or, like many hate to do, simply say I don't know.
@Davideos
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! But do you think it is effective to unite humor and science, for example? By doing this, maybe it could be possible to make Drew work harder while still making it enjoyable. So it would serve as an incentive, rather than a type of help. Humor is just an example, but perhaps the idea of teaching something boring/difficult could become more enjoyable if something that the student likes was included in the class. For instance, my cousin hates science, but he loves skateboarding. So by combining both things I was able to teach him a lot of Newton's laws of motion. However, it is of course very difficult to make this in mass education because it requires a lot of attention from the teacher.
@jessecook9776
7 жыл бұрын
This video is great!! I am a graduate student in mathematics, so I've been thinking a lot about how I learn things in the classes I take and how my students learn in the classes I teach. Of the classes that I take, I have one which is mostly "here's a task, figure it out" where I feel Drew is overwhelmed, another class which is almost purely lecture where I feel Gunn just nodding along, and a third that is a mix of the two: lecture-based but student remarks and decisions motivate the direction of the lecture. The last class is my favorite one lately and the one in which I feel I'm learning the most. For the class I teach, alternating days between lecture and recitation where the students work on problems gives students an opportunity to exercise both Gunn and Drew. Gunn is along for the ride on lecture days, while Drew is being exercised on recitation days. The students work on a particular activity related to lecture, so it gets their hands dirty with the material. Thank you again Derek for another video that makes you think about thinking!
@Blitzkugel100
7 жыл бұрын
This explains so well why my friends and me had huge problems understand linear algebra in college, I actually didn't even take the exam, lol.
@LazerLord10
7 жыл бұрын
Timo J I'm currently in the same boat. Total lack of prior knowledge is killing it for me. The notation doesn't help, either.
@Blitzkugel100
7 жыл бұрын
Thats why i'll rather study physics and trade LA for higher maths. Not that i didn't have that in my current field of study
@vejymonsta3006
7 жыл бұрын
When I took linear algebra I got fucked. Massive language barrier, too much online homework, unexplained notation. I barely passed.
@LazerLord10
7 жыл бұрын
Lack of homework is a bigger problem. Pretty much the only graded work is a small bi-weekly homework, one midterm, and a final. I got a 55% on the midterm, so it's not looking good.
@jclark1693
7 жыл бұрын
When i learned to play trumpet and then later euphonium, my education was pretty mixed. I started in 4th grade and at that point there was a combination of methods. For example, we recited familiar songs but were routinely drilled on the music structure itself. The point being that you get to see concepts in abstract and in application. In grades 6-8 the music started acquiring harmonies and different overlapping patterns. All the while we were frequently playing music we had little to no familiarity with, coupled with some that we did. Occasionally we'd be given a recorded example in class to hear what the expectation was, but the focus became the effort to read a sheet and play your part, with trust in the conductor. I would often learn by ear off the skilled player next to me and had a good sense of harmony so I could find where I needed to fit in a group. I was one of the slower sight-readers but I was always very lazy with home practice. We managed to actually win a number of sight-reading competitions, I think every one we entered. We also often outperformed in recital because our teacher had very strict stage standards. We had one of the best band teachers in the state and knew it. So I agree that learning is complicated. I think it requires well managed participation and practical understanding in fairly equal measure over time. And it's always important to remember the value of novel experiences in both memory and attention.
@ExhaustedPenguin
7 жыл бұрын
What about people playing puzzle games and strategic games like chess that require a lot of thinking and only thinking.. They do it for fun, not because it makes them uncomfortable.
@daniellee6912
7 жыл бұрын
it's weird, when I was 10 I started playing sudoku and 5 years later I could solve even the hardest ones, I love solving logic problems and I like to read technical books but chess is too overwhelming to me there are too many things to think of at once, I even tried checkers but I just cant see the oponent's strategy and I lose every time.
@SuperDarwinFAN
7 жыл бұрын
Frøken Glattbarbert Stillas-sikkerhetsinspektør Strategy games and chess build on entirely different mental skills.
@repker
7 жыл бұрын
I'd bet this can be explained by how the gamification of puzzles allows for a more readily available sense of accomplish after doing a strenuous task. The size and payoff of puzzles is just so that we don't mind the strain for the satisfaction of overcoming it that it brings with it. Learning is different in complexity and scale, and I feel like the same mechanics don't work so well taking into account the higher magnitude of these differences. Though there definitely are people out there that treat learning like a game, typically with better results than others not approaching it that way, but I'm not sure if the difference is in their approach or just their own character.
@jm3415
7 жыл бұрын
I have just gone back into study at undergraduate level after 5 years of full time work in a blue collar industry. This video is so significant for me right now because my brain is just mush after two weeks of physics, maths and chemistry. But I am already feeling like my subconscious is getting better at taking over and automating a response to steadily more familiar problems and even a response to new information. i.e how to process it so my conscious brain has an easier time of things. Thank you so much for the great videos!!!!
@faiquek
7 жыл бұрын
I don't trust these edited comments.
@hijack69
7 жыл бұрын
Faique khairi no one does
@annakrawczuk5221
7 жыл бұрын
yes you're right
@utblync80
7 жыл бұрын
The thing that comes to mind is something that you have several examples of in this video: analogies. Explaining "complex" ideas by relating them to things that most people already understand allows both Gun and Drew to do work. Gun can pull on the prior knowledge of the analogous example, and Drew can work through how that example applies to the actual topic of discussion.
@danhennig8177
7 жыл бұрын
Im a music teacher. My class starts in 3 minutes. And now I need to throw out my lesson plan and make a new one. Gol-ly
@gusbisbal9803
7 жыл бұрын
The objective of all educational systems is to increase interest as much as possible. Not to increase fun, be more entertaining, or even be difficult. It is to inspire the motivation that drives learning and that is the persons interest. Increase that and you can walk away they will learn on their own.
@nish6106
7 жыл бұрын
Who the fuck disliked this video...?
@hariss8011
7 жыл бұрын
nish Me
@diiasze3743
7 жыл бұрын
y?
@nish6106
7 жыл бұрын
Jus trying to find some shameless people on the internet , why would someone dislike an educational video. Maybe veritasum should do a video on that too
That story about Trumpet. That was me. I played trumpet for years, 5+ years. In that time, I didn't read music. I just listened to it, and replicated it. I memorized pieces so that I wouldn't have to read. Eventually I did learn how to read music, a little at a time, but it all came down to how is was "supposed to sound". It's also been a critical part of me learning, or not learning, how to program. What you said stuck a chord, that I didn't have that intuitive knowledge of problems in computer science, meaning when I look at a problem, it's almost insurmountable because there are so many moving parts that needs to fit together. Whereas if I had a knowledge of each of those problems individually, I could learn how they all work together, instead of being completely lost in a sea of problems that seem to overlap.
@TheGreatRakatan
7 жыл бұрын
It's almost like doing a puzzle without trying to find the edge pieces first. You don't have a general idea of what pieces go where except for the box art, but even still, the individual pieces could potentially have multiple locations and you can't really figure out where they go until you've done more of the puzzle.
@marshallkregg7440
7 жыл бұрын
How would you use this theory for reeducation? If "Gun" is so use to doing something one way and it turns out to be wrong or no longer a proper way of doing something, "Drew" needs to step in and relearn how to do it. The older generation and military reintegration are two examples that come to mind that this theory does not match. Thoughts?
@repker
7 жыл бұрын
Your final thoughts are one of the big reasons I watch most educational videos. It isn't so much to learn outright in that one sitting as it is to slowly build up my knowledge base at it's peripheries. I find them good for getting acquainted with the subject matter, good for reinforcement, good for sparking interest, basically good for many general things. Maybe you could call it indirect learning, because my knowledge _is_ being built up, but in quite a less explicit way than, say, taking a course at a university. And like you say, one isn't necessarily better or worse, but this laid back supplemental learning definitely has advantages in that it's, well, more laid back and quite a bit less mentally taxing than a faster, more rigorous approach. I definitely can relate to the faux sense of understanding though, and I feel like that was me a couple years ago. But now I've reframed it and come to terms with how it isn't really comparable to other ways of learning, yet still useful in it's own right.
@einthoven2043
7 жыл бұрын
I fully appreciate the statement you made about the viewers cognition. But being a persistent viewer, i should say one thing. I don't mostly learn a skill from these kind of videos. But what i learned throughout these years is, *the way of constructing deep thoughts*. Yearly days, I always awe strucked to 'understand' how the way you 'understand' more about things than me, simply some sort of philosophical ego carry on between you and me. But nowadays, I barely think about that, But what I do myself now is , developing some thought arguments between you and my line of thoughts throughout the video play. I hope this bAFFLES you !!!( Sorry for my novice english)
@MrRayne911
7 жыл бұрын
Wow, you are really proud of that comment of yours aren't you?
@andrewmarichal6194
7 жыл бұрын
As an upcoming biology teacher I am currently writing my senior seminar paper on these student-centered (constructivist) and teacher-centered (direct instruction, lectures, etc) learning styles to see which one is "better". And it's exactly what he talks about in this video. There are people saying HANDS ON- MINDS ON IS SUPERIOR, when there are studies that show direct teaching is also as successful (i.e. Kirschner, Sweller, and Clark's paper) or even more successful than constructivist learning. My opinion on this is that we need to have both in teaching students, they both have their benefits to the teacher and the students. It's not always this "right or left" sided way of learning but being able to fluctuate in between the two, depending on how much scaffolding the students need, is important to help them learn and love science.
@UberHaxorJuke
7 жыл бұрын
damn this video actually would help a lot of teachers
@LucasvanOsenbruggen
7 жыл бұрын
I gotta say that getting people interested makes great education too. If people want to learn they'll learn better and you definitely did that. Your whole approach in videos like, 'Hey a tree, how does the water get up there?' didn't only make me remember how. It also learned being curious and that you can discover those things with science.
@maciej-36
7 жыл бұрын
I unsubscribed from "big think" long time ago. ;)
@BigFatCock0
7 жыл бұрын
I find that about half of their videos have good info or they're good enough to start a discussion. But the other half are complete and utter garbage. It wasn't always like that but it's been happening over the last couple of years. Like 90% of their articles are trash though.
@maciej-36
7 жыл бұрын
Interview with Stephen Fry was awesome. that's why subscribed in the first place.
@georgethornton8833
7 жыл бұрын
I am not a professional researcher or teacher or such, though over the past few years I have become very interested in the labels society uses, such as stereotypes, and why they seem to be so difficult to get past, individually and as a group. Though I may have not been thinking too deeply during the video about Gunn and Drew, I did find that after the fact it has led me into a lot of deep thinking. So another piece of the puzzle you may want to consider is how much future thinking is created by the same video? The problem today is that some much more information is generated per second than ever before, so it occasionally helps to have people like you share knowledge that we would otherwise not be exposed to. Thank you for all your videos and all you do.
@Gintokikreuz1
7 жыл бұрын
Gloss = Vsauce
@AA-tg3zr
7 жыл бұрын
MrGintama96 Yeah i thought the same.
@Blitzkugel100
7 жыл бұрын
But But I paid 24€ for those 8 episodes of MindField, damn yt red, are you telling me that I didn't learn anything from it? :-(
@Gintokikreuz1
7 жыл бұрын
Timo J You learned a valuable lesson on how you should not spend money on money hungry people.
@LazerLord10
7 жыл бұрын
Timo J TBH I thought that mind field was some of the lower-value stuff that has been put up on the vsuace channel. It seemed too much like reality television to have anything substantial. The isolation episode was the best one.
@ekki1993
7 жыл бұрын
If you're looking at VSauce for education you're looking at the wrong channel though. There's a reason Veritasium is labelled educational while VSauce is labelled entertainment. It's not a difference in quality but a difference in kind.
@rosso4001
7 жыл бұрын
The thing about scaffolding students in education is knowing how much they need to be scaffolded. Going back to the GPS example, try turning off the sounds for the GPS. You then have to know about when you need to turn rather than having all of the information. This way you can limit the amount of scaffolding to drive to a location and learn it faster. When educating students you need to understand their Zone of Proximal development or just where an activity isn't too easy or to hard but, with your (Teacher) assistance and you know how much help to give them, they will be able to undertake the task.
@BritainRitten
7 жыл бұрын
What's the name/artist/song title of that harp music at the end? It's lovely.
@clintony3000
7 жыл бұрын
Interest. I think largely, the biggest thing you want to do as a teacher is really cultivate people's interest. If they are not interested enough, they will choose not to learn. If they are interested enough, they will begin researching on their own and honestly? This very video, by its use of thought provoking questions is a great way to help develop more interest. Keep using questions like that.
@skywalker2837
7 жыл бұрын
I love you #fullhomo
@JordanBeagle
7 жыл бұрын
Sky Walker Sorry bro, he's has a girlfriend / wife and child
@myherpesitch7763
7 жыл бұрын
Sky Walker #FullDisgusting
@JT4GM4K3R
7 жыл бұрын
+MyHerpes Itch Is that argument a form of vaccination? Because I've just got more stupid for reading that. You remorseful innocuous glib...
@georgiana1754
7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you put so much thought into optimizing teaching. I think a great way to optimize educational videos and even courses would be to remove the friction caused by assumed background knowledge: terms, concepts etc. So, to explain a new concept in as much self-contained and simple way as possible.
@aycfes
7 жыл бұрын
*portugease teacher enters the classroom* "We will now be studying arcadism, i want an 5 page essay and the exercises from page 10 to 30 for tomorrow." "What's the problem? Work, go go go!"
@aycfes
7 жыл бұрын
And that actually happened, no word for word, but that nonetheless.
@RobertAdoniasCostaGomes
7 жыл бұрын
you could have named him/her literature teacher instead of Portuguese teacher... English speakers might have a hard time connecting the dots reading these... unless you are not a native and your Portuguese-as-a-second-language teacher asked you a 5 page essay about Arcadism... if that is the case then, woah.. just... woah...
@ApashePelican
7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. I don't know why the rush, I'll rather go a little bit slower and get the concept than putting a lot of effort in so little time
@jesseyukimura354
6 жыл бұрын
As a musician (albeit one with a background in science), I'm continually thinking about how to present music--specifically Western Classical music--to people, and I've been recently watching your videos and thinking about how the principals of science education that you talk about can be applied to my field. So I thought it was great and hilarious when you started talking about learning music! I wish I could sit down with you and talk about it with you. I was literally just talking to people earlier today about the kind of things in this video. Thanks for your videos and reflections!
@JarodDOUBLEYOU
7 жыл бұрын
It seems as though the "student" would be steered towards one of two rewards based on their starting point on the overwhelmed-disengaged spectrum. The familiarity of receiving one reward over another could be another dimension of complexity that has a significant impact on where the ideal starting point lies and to which direction learning continues from there. Sort of a preferred "drive". Two possible rewards for learning in the context of being overwhelmed or disengaged are conquest and discovery. Overwhelmed : Conquest Disengaged : Discovery Starting at the overwhelmed side and moving further in that direction shows that a student may be gaining satisfaction from seeing a mountain of a problem that is outside of their abilities - then tackling it, conquering it. Whereas if you start at the disengaged side and move further in that direction, the student may be gaining satisfaction from seeing and knowing a familiar area, then through exploration - discovering something new from what was always there. I'm not able to write this up in a youtube comment, but imagine a two-dimensional chart. On the X axis toward negative infinity write "Disengaged". On the same axis toward positive infinity write "Overwhelmed". The Y axis could serve as a multiplier on the X axis for the student's preference. For example in the format (x,y): (3,4) = 12. A starting point of 3 (more on the overwhelmed side) with a student preference multiplier of 4 = a sort of expected growth curve if you add another dimension of time in Z axis if you continue to iterate. In another example, (3,-2) = -6. By starting at the same point, another student with a different preference could now have more work to do to reach the same growth curve as the first student. Again this is better pictured with a Z axis for time so that the measured preference can be moved over time based on how receptive the student is to the learning method presented. Or maybe this chart wouldn't work out like I'm thinking, let me know if you find a more constructive solution.
@Popcorn_Assassin
7 жыл бұрын
I had a talented musicteacher back in 2005 that made us learn a difficult but educational song from an original artist. He made sure we did not know the song at all and we were not allowed to go listen to it or know about the original song until after we have learned it. So he instructed the song different from the original (we did not know that of couse) and we could only follow his lead. So after grinding this song for a week until we learned it and played it he revealed the original to us. The songs was very different then we thought and we were amazed how good and how much a few changes can do and also it was not what we expected. The song was very old (forgot the name) and his point was to not always copy another artist. Try make it your own and trust in it. You are able to do it now. It was hard to try play a song you dont know at a higher lvl than mine. But.... did we just copy an unknown song through a teacher or did we learn to create our own?
@omarsaleh8855
7 жыл бұрын
i believe that the answer to this optimization problem is in the method of storing knowledge; its the difference between storing 100 things seperately through sheer memorization, and storing 10 things together under a foundational understanding. the more connective the thoughts the less effort required. this is done by creating continuous and coherrant line of logic when teaching and consolidating new knowledge with old knowledge and expanding understanding
@speedbump0619
7 жыл бұрын
Many years ago I suggested to a group of teachers that the goal of education was to train the intuition to be more correct. i feel like you are explaining the same sentiment. Gun is our intuition, and the more capable he is of making correct best guesses the more Drew can be focused on higher order systems. A critical part of that training is training Gun to intuitively identify indicators of his own uncertainty.
@uniearesende
7 жыл бұрын
all of your channels are great. you actually go beyond information. You inspire people and motivate them. your work is incredible and we audience are very thankful to see you grow your way to teach, because so are we growing. thank you for so much effort to do things the right way.
@HKragh
7 жыл бұрын
It is with thinking as with exercise. The amount of joy you feel while doing it, is rooted in the past experiences you have with doing it or, rather, how it makes you feel once finished. I love cracking hard problems. Love, love, love. Because I know for a fact that once I find the solution, my body will go into a state of happiness and fulfillment (And then deep sleep). And if we can just give people early successes while working on problems involving Drew, we can get the brain addicted to thinking, no matter how hard it feels while doing it. I just wish I could transfer my experiences with problem solving to my lack of experience with exercising!!!
@DarkTug
7 жыл бұрын
According to a book "Theory of Fun". Learning is actually fun. In fact, a feeling fun is probably a feeling when you learn something new. This is essentially what entertainment does. Be it a book, song, movie or even tourism. It give you a new experience, or a new challenge/trick/technique in case of game/sport. They are not that different from education/training. The main different between the two is, however, an educational tool focus on giving it's consumer as much information as possible in as shortest time as possible. Entertainment pieces, on the other hand, focus on easing consumer's learning experience. Because we, human, are a selfish being. We just want our reward. We want to learn new stuffs, or rather "feel like" learning new stuffs. If there are too many incoming information than we can comprehend, or said information is too hard to understand. It will become a noise. It will leave us frustrating/annoying/uninterested. If a textbook or a lecture is too hard we won't learn anything new, thus find it boring. This also apply to educational youtubers. I don't know if it is the same one you mentioned. But I feel the same way about certain channels. They always ask an intrigue question. Give out interesting data and information. Then end the video without actually answer the initial question. However, they gave out enough new bit of information to keep you interested for an entire video. There is nothing wrong with that though. They clearly lean more toward entertaining spectrum. I believe the reason we choose Gum over Drew is because "Why think long and hard when we already know the answer". Thinking carefully mean we have to go through all possible incorrect scenarios, getting stuck along the way. That is not fun. We can just answer it right away and feel smart about ourselves (even though the answer is wrong). More so in that video's instance. There is no consequence in failing. Everyone just laughed and entertained at the fact that their answer was wrong. Yay, they just learn another new thing. Then, they enjoyed thinking about a correct answer. If you offer a reward for answer correctly, things may play out differently. Also, I bet they won't be as careless when they are driving (I hope ? ^^").
@MrGreenAKAguci00
7 жыл бұрын
the thing about music is that it is a kind of language. It can be taught as one. When we learn our first language we don't start with writing words down, spelling and grammar. We start with listening a lot of it and than we start to speak. in musical terms we play what we heard and we jamm with professionals. Sometimes when we repeat mistake often enough we even make grown ups say things our way. It takes a lot of time but it becomes our nature. Teaching music in such way is not fast but it can give a lot of freedom later on if the student is given pieces with enough variety of scales and passages etc. Similar thing with that GPS driving. It can develop sort of unconscious knowing. Anthony Wellington made cool analogy about learning music. Four levels of awareness. 1. Unconscious not knowing - which is a blissful state. Gunn can play on his air guitar and enjoy himself without involving Drew. 2. Conscious not knowing - which isn't a blissful state. Gunn tried his strength on real guitar and failed, Drew finds out that his involvement is necessary. 3. Conscious knowing - which also isn't blissful state. Gunn knows he won't cope with the task of playing real guitar so Drew needs to work hard for the reward of playing well. 4. Unconscious knowing - which is blissful because it's natural again. Drew did so much work that Gunn picked it up and can operate automatically based on data Drew had provided.
@swantzter
7 жыл бұрын
I must agree that book you mentioned in the beginning ("thinking fast and slow") is a great book... After a third of it I ran out of post-it bookmarks to mark up all the important, interesting stuff... And on another hand, learning is so complex, there are eleven strategies about how we learn and bits and pieces might be able to build an image of how you learn. In my opinion this completely is what often makes it harder for some people to learn from certain individuals, simply because their way of learning doesn't match up with the teachers way of teaching. And as you tend to teach as you learn best it makes education even harder, to be able to teach many people at the same time without boring anyone or making it too difficult is hard, and we should be grateful that some manage to do it. That's also one of the better parts with educational videos on KZitem and similar platforms, you can find someone that explains [thing] in a way you are compatible with.
@matthewhuntzinger524
7 жыл бұрын
"I would rather have questions that cant be answered , than answers that cannot be questioned'" -R Feyenmane
@TravisTheMcCommander
7 жыл бұрын
Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking Fast and Slow" is marvelous; it was the basis of my senior year research paper.
@tkzsfen
7 жыл бұрын
i've had this feeling you talked about - if you do something for quite awhile, absent minded, at one point your consciousness will wake up and ask how did i do this for so long? and the answers will come from the practice! you already have some of the work done before and now just connect the pieces in the puzzle with another mind set. literally - learning from yourself!
@chemistry4all520
7 жыл бұрын
According to my personal experience (as a chemist) I totally agree with Derek in the way that the knowledge is transferred to the students, I think that organic chemistry is a very good example, when you first learn organic chem you study different functional groups and their reactivity, separately and in a very detailed way,(as any other subject I guess). Initially it's very difficult to have everything in mind and well connected, the magic happens when you start to solve real complex problems (involving very different molecules and not straightforward reactions) it's at this precise point when, in my case , everything started to make sense as at that point I developed kind of a network with connections between all those building blocks that I had previously learned, In my opinion that's the point at which you really understand a science.
@Bc232klm
7 жыл бұрын
The reason we like videos is because we get to choose them based on whatever is piquing our curiosity instead of being "forced" to learn what someone else decides you should learn.
@daanwilmer
7 жыл бұрын
About 6:00, you mention "It may look like a straightforward task to the teacher[...], it doesn't look like a straightforward task to the student." A couple of years ago I was a TA at a course, requiring the students to prove some things. The students had 24 hours (spread over multiple weeks) scheduled to complete three tasks, and many needed some hints to get there, while I could finish almost every task within 15 minutes. That's the difference experience makes. This feeds back nicely to the point you make around 10:00: I was there to relieve the strain on Drew. The hints I gave were to be a sort of external Gunn, so that their Drew could focus on the important parts, the parts that we actually wanted them to learn.
@LarsRichterMedia
7 жыл бұрын
Just yesterday I realized that I don't need the navi anymore to find the way to a certain client. Just a couple of "brainless" drives and I was able to stitch enough together to remember the whole way. I agree with you on this 100%. The thing is: I always drive in complete silence, kind of as a meditation ritual. I focus on driving perfectly safe and aware of my environment but I use a navi to tell me the path in general. By that I found a sweet spot of "Drew & Gun" which helps me to build a map slowly but steadily without being too stressed out while driving a car. Cheers
@potsu5632
7 жыл бұрын
Have you read Deep Work? the strategy in that book sound like the opposite of what you were talking about. Deep work: work where you focus intensely on a problem/learning with out distraction. I believe there seems to be more than one side to the optimal way of studying. The balanced alltime studyer and the one who works in chunks of deep work gathering as much information as possible. (Has anyone else read that book?)
@MindfulBytes
7 жыл бұрын
I love Derek. His thought process, courage, enthusiasm and scientific temper and everything is so perfect, excellent. He is the sole reason I LOVE physics and science today. One of the best teachers Derek is. The single photon interference, the original double slit experiment, and learned helplessness videos are my favourite. I just love his thought process. I TRULY THANK YOU FROM THE HEART MR.DEREK.
@Kristijan3373
7 жыл бұрын
i have been following for quite a while, and I know how much you care and have studied on what is the best way to give a lecture, so you coming out with a 'definitive' answer makes me happy. but i caught the glimpse of smile at the end
@Maeryaenus
7 жыл бұрын
The point is, watching is learning, and learning is more like copying (data, infos experiences), while thinking is like a creative process (finding your result, having the experience)
@harryvincent3619
7 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the reason why I always find entertaining or funny teachers far more likely to cause me to actually pick up on things being taught. I may not be totally engaged in the learning topic, but I am engaged with the teacher which helps me to store the information subconsciously. It's also the reason I rarely take notes in class as it blocks my engagement with the teacher.
@andrewcopple7075
7 жыл бұрын
I experienced this a LOT in advanced calculus. I could finish the professor's proofs for him in class, but the eureka moment never translated into actual learning or development of skills. It wasn't until I acknowledged I wasn't learning anything, and started studying like I would for a class where lecture was reading from a textbook (no additional information) that I started retaining knowledge and learning from the class.
@ziboyang2056
7 жыл бұрын
I love the genuine and personal atmosphere of this video
@robe1937
7 жыл бұрын
I love the idea that educational videos are the scaffolding and just provide the context for more learning at a later date. The videos on the Khan Academy don't give you a full understanding of the subject on their own, you have to keep practicing until your mistakes or iterations disappear. After a couple of weeks you might forget how to perform the task but it becomes easier to relearn, the more you forget it the easier it is to remember. Not sure I like the idea that listening to someone else's ideas is lazy or cheating. Information sharing has got to be a good thing for everyone involved. I perceive it more like a group of computers that are all working on the same problem through iteration. Each computer tries to solve a problem in a different way, if all the computers can share data then negatives solutions and can be eliminated faster and all the computers can reach the optimal answer sooner.
@JasonDowney
7 жыл бұрын
I'm an English teacher in Japan, and this video syncs well with a lot of the research out of EFL and foreign language education theory. Great discussion!
@richardkaz2336
7 жыл бұрын
To learn you need to put into practice what you have just viewed or been taught. Learning from your results, success and failures, if you put into practice and and get the result great but if you put into practice and the result aren't there. Then you need investigate further and challenge your understanding once you come to an understanding why you get the expected result. Then you have succeed.
@LUKELECTRIC
7 жыл бұрын
Your analogy with Music is great. I had the same when I was learning Quantum Physics or General and Special Relativity. In the beginning it was all a nonsense to me, but I said to myself, OK lets get through all this and I'll make my opinion when I finish. And suddenly when I was close to finish some facts from the beginning of the study started to be clear in my head. So I started from the very beginning again but this time it was not a nonsense anymore. I just managed to buildup a special thinning method (like building tools you need to finish the job). And now since I am aware that this happens it is much easier for me to study something new, because my approach is that to understand something I need to buildup my own brain first. This reduces the learning time a lot!!!
@Doubleranged1
7 жыл бұрын
I think that is what makes a teacher's job very hard, because that balance is unique to every person (since everyone has a different understanding).
@mohamedakl9159
7 жыл бұрын
you are totally true, I mean, you are completely true. for me, I love learning by watching videos for lectures or general science videos illustrated by some you-tubers (physics and so on), and when I started learning using MOOCs and go through tests or final course exam, I really felt how hard it is for me to deduce a correct answer for the questions. I was terrified by what I thought of my self at that time. I realized (after watching your videos time by time) that the learning process is not that simple thing of setting back and watching a video. the learner has to be active while receiving information. otherwise, he will not get what he wanted from watching the video. Please keep showing up, I like your work.
@MedievalFluff
7 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that video where you was talking to "youtube" and was saying how just saying the answers to the audience it doesn't teach them as well as when you show the misconceptions and let them analyse why and how they are wrong before showing them the answers.
@penguinsalsa9207
7 жыл бұрын
I know learning is a whole lot broader than just school but if we are strictly talking about studying and learning in relation to school there are definitely some methods that strike that balance that you describe at the ending of this video. What I've found to work for me depending on the subject is to instead of doing straightforward homework exercises to which the answers can be (often easily) derived from the text is to summarize the text and bring it down to the points that are truly essential. It's also important that no sentence should be copied straight from the book and information should be tried to be written down in a simplified way. Reasoning for this is that generally speaking, if one is able to simplify something he is able to understand it. I think with this method 'Drew' is activated enough because 'he' needs to filter out all the redundant info while also translating it into a simplified language, though he isn't activated to the point where motivation starts deteriorating because reading the text from a textbook and writing it down in a different way is not that complicated of a task to complete and is for a large part completed by 'Gun'. Another method that I'd suggest from a teacher's perspective is to let students teach each other about certain subjects. What my biology teacher does is he splits us up into groups of three, gives each group member about twenty minutes (depending on the difficulty of the subject) to study a different third of the text so that each member becomes, as he calls it, an expert in his field and then at last he gives each member some time to explain the matter he educated himself with to the other members of the group in such a way that it is understandable for them as well. I think this is the same concept as the method of summarizing because in both cases you force yourself to simplify the complex matter that is in your textbook, except with this method it happens subconsciously. The negative of this method however, is that many students do not realise the efficiency of this and just write it off as bullshit and at that point it becomes preeetty hard - again from a teacher's perspective - to keep students motivated. If as a teacher you do succeed to do so however, it's a very effective way of educating student without having to do the work :). Also can I still sign up to work for you on the Sciencium channel? I have had some circumstances that caused me to not be able to sign up yet... Thanks!
@JoTheVeteran
7 жыл бұрын
Well I've learned way more information in my adult life than in all the years I've been in school looking at a boring blackboard, hearing a boring "teacher" talk about boring stuff. So thanks for that Derek, and Michael, and Jake, and a bunch of other youtubers, article writers and other people so passionate about their work that actually want to share it with the rest of the world.
@Javadamutt
7 жыл бұрын
The problem I experienced at school was the education system wasn't "set up for my needs". I've found watching a video and discussion after works really well as does practically problem solving. In school we were made to copy out the text book and answer questions in exams which essentially amounted to regurgitation. French is a perfect example, I passed simply by remembering 1 sentence in present past and future tense and substituted a noun each time. To this day I couldn't tell you a word of French, yet 5 days in Italy I learnt more Italian such as numbers, directions, ordering from a menu than I did 5 years of French at school. I coasted through school and struggled in Uni because I didn't know how to learn. I learnt more failing several times in Uni than I did coasting through 14 years of school.
@elerian9702
7 жыл бұрын
We need more teachers like this, teachers who CARE about their students to learn something. Teachers who can work with students and work for better education, are badly needed everywhere.
@rexdxiv
7 жыл бұрын
In my view "Great Education" is simply based on inspiration. Only when a teacher can inspire the student, the student would learn through the love of what is taught. This would also be the basis of wanting to understand what is taught. Love is always the best basis for long and lasting learning. Also, when one explores and discovers one's ability through this kind of learning, this ability becomes a source of pride or self esteem or one can even say self love. One can learn something that one does not care about but chances are the memory of that learning would not be very long term. Also, teaching is also a means by which one can learn, and it is hard to teach something one does not care about. That kind of teacher does teach, but not the love of the material, but the lack of value in the material taught. That way we also learn what we hate, mostly we learn that we hate it. This is a kind of negative learning - a kind of programming - or brain washing. Inspiration and love are key elements that bring us closer to truth. Always our personal truth, but also the love of truth, and perhaps closer to the "universal truth". Thank you for all your great work!
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